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Topic: Those who rent out signature space---Unite! (Read 3987 times)
Wow... thanks for letting me know .
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I'm having some issues dealing with the OP of the fastbluff campaign. I've quit the campaign but the dude is opening up a flame war against me now. I don't know if any of the brother signature bearers in this thread have advice.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7978466
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7978466
Looking at the thread, it looks like you guys found a way to sort things out. Anyway, That issue really seemed to go from 0 -- 100mph really fast. I was going to suggest simply waiting a day for everyone to think about their position.
I'm having some issues dealing with the OP of the fastbluff campaign. I've quit the campaign but the dude is opening up a flame war against me now. I don't know if any of the brother signature bearers in this thread have advice.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7978466
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7978466
It's an interesting idea but I don't think the forum operators care to get involved in this sorta thing. They have their business---running the forum. They really don't have much incentive to get involved between advertizers and their contractees so I doubt it would happen.
That is why I told this
:I don't know whether it can be established, I just told my opinion/suggestion.
I know it is very hard for the developers but they can hire some one who is willing to do for free. I think there are many persons who like to contribute to BTC. This can be used as a good opportunity for them.
Kindly,
MZ
I think you would find that the forum developers here have tightly circumscribed the activities they're interested in policing and those they aren't. Note, for example, the buying and selling of accounts, which as far as I can tell is allowed, even if the forum adminstrators admit that it's shady as hell.
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It's an interesting idea but I don't think the forum operators care to get involved in this sorta thing. They have their business---running the forum. They really don't have much incentive to get involved between advertizers and their contractees so I doubt it would happen.
That is why I told this
:I don't know whether it can be established, I just told my opinion/suggestion.
I know it is very hard for the developers but they can hire some one who is willing to do for free. I think there are many persons who like to contribute to BTC. This can be used as a good opportunity for them.
Kindly,
MZ
i'm with ya. after getting screwed by tradefortress and bitcoinsports.eu, i gave up on signature advertising for a while. minersource has been good so far, but i see what you mean with all the problems around updown.bt and xbtec.
I heard about XBTec but not updown.bt . Anyway it is really bad, if they didn't pay.
IMO the forum can make an option for that. Every advertisers can make an option and pay at that time, 1st day of each week or month and participants can apply on any service. This forum can use Coinbase for paying as it has automatic sending option. So we can guarantee the payment better that trusting a person who pay. I don't know whether it can be established, I just told my opinion/suggestion.
Kindly,
MZ
It's an interesting idea but I don't think the forum operators care to get involved in this sorta thing. They have their business---running the forum. They really don't have much incentive to get involved between advertizers and their contractees so I doubt it would happen.
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Activity: 560
Merit: 509
I prefer Zakir over Muhammed when mentioning me!
i'm with ya. after getting screwed by tradefortress and bitcoinsports.eu, i gave up on signature advertising for a while. minersource has been good so far, but i see what you mean with all the problems around updown.bt and xbtec.
I heard about XBTec but not updown.bt . Anyway it is really bad, if they didn't pay.
IMO the forum can make an option for that. Every advertisers can make an option and pay at that time, 1st day of each week or month and participants can apply on any service. This forum can use Coinbase for paying as it has automatic sending option. So we can guarantee the payment better that trusting a person who pay. I don't know whether it can be established, I just told my opinion/suggestion.
Kindly,
MZ
Hey bitcoininformation,
Did this thread influence you in putting the protest message about UPDOWN on your signature, or was that something that you already were going to do?
No, I changed it before this was created. It was discussed on the UpDown.BT Signature Campaign topic and I decided to join them.Did this thread influence you in putting the protest message about UPDOWN on your signature, or was that something that you already were going to do?
FastBluff was kind enough to let me keep the signature, because I'm active member in this community (and as long as his campaign is on on top).
fair enough. I think it's cool of you. Can anyone who knows more about the situation update us on the current state of affairs? has anyone else been paid yet? is there any movement at all?
Hey bitcoininformation,
Did this thread influence you in putting the protest message about UPDOWN on your signature, or was that something that you already were going to do?
No, I changed it before this was created. It was discussed on the UpDown.BT Signature Campaign topic and I decided to join them.Did this thread influence you in putting the protest message about UPDOWN on your signature, or was that something that you already were going to do?
FastBluff was kind enough to let me keep the signature, because I'm active member in this community (and as long as his campaign is on on top).
I thought about it earlier, the best solution would be to setup a 3rd party escrow/marketplace for signature selling.
1) Advertisers joins Marketplace, confirms he/she is the owner(operator) of the said domain.
2) Advertiser setups up campaign and funds the said campaign through a multi-signature amoung (Marketplace Admin, Advertisement and 3rd Party External Escrow)
3) Posters join the Marketplace, and apply for campaigns.
4) Advertiser, Poster and Escrow agree to said commitments (for campaign)
5) Marketplace data-mines the posters activity every X amount of time: checks to ensure poster doesnt remove said signature, quality checks the posts, keeps a daily post count log
6) Upon the end of the agreement, payments get made.
Seems simple, it can also be expandable to other forums and also helps all the said parties.
~ Advertisers get a flexible and semi-automatic system
~ Posters get the ability to find promising campaigns and the ability for an escrow.
If anyone has any interest in doing this type of system, let me know because I already have something like this in mind and could easily build it off of an existing script (that I have).
1) Advertisers joins Marketplace, confirms he/she is the owner(operator) of the said domain.
2) Advertiser setups up campaign and funds the said campaign through a multi-signature amoung (Marketplace Admin, Advertisement and 3rd Party External Escrow)
3) Posters join the Marketplace, and apply for campaigns.
4) Advertiser, Poster and Escrow agree to said commitments (for campaign)
5) Marketplace data-mines the posters activity every X amount of time: checks to ensure poster doesnt remove said signature, quality checks the posts, keeps a daily post count log
6) Upon the end of the agreement, payments get made.
Seems simple, it can also be expandable to other forums and also helps all the said parties.
~ Advertisers get a flexible and semi-automatic system
~ Posters get the ability to find promising campaigns and the ability for an escrow.
If anyone has any interest in doing this type of system, let me know because I already have something like this in mind and could easily build it off of an existing script (that I have).
Could be very cool. I used the bitmixer.io campaign for a while and I can say that the automated part is also very convenient for the posters.
I thought about it earlier, the best solution would be to setup a 3rd party escrow/marketplace for signature selling.
1) Advertisers joins Marketplace, confirms he/she is the owner(operator) of the said domain.
2) Advertiser setups up campaign and funds the said campaign through a multi-signature amoung (Marketplace Admin, Advertisement and 3rd Party External Escrow)
3) Posters join the Marketplace, and apply for campaigns.
4) Advertiser, Poster and Escrow agree to said commitments (for campaign)
5) Marketplace data-mines the posters activity every X amount of time: checks to ensure poster doesnt remove said signature, quality checks the posts, keeps a daily post count log
6) Upon the end of the agreement, payments get made.
Seems simple, it can also be expandable to other forums and also helps all the said parties.
~ Advertisers get a flexible and semi-automatic system
~ Posters get the ability to find promising campaigns and the ability for an escrow.
If anyone has any interest in doing this type of system, let me know because I already have something like this in mind and could easily build it off of an existing script (that I have).
1) Advertisers joins Marketplace, confirms he/she is the owner(operator) of the said domain.
2) Advertiser setups up campaign and funds the said campaign through a multi-signature amoung (Marketplace Admin, Advertisement and 3rd Party External Escrow)
3) Posters join the Marketplace, and apply for campaigns.
4) Advertiser, Poster and Escrow agree to said commitments (for campaign)
5) Marketplace data-mines the posters activity every X amount of time: checks to ensure poster doesnt remove said signature, quality checks the posts, keeps a daily post count log
6) Upon the end of the agreement, payments get made.
Seems simple, it can also be expandable to other forums and also helps all the said parties.
~ Advertisers get a flexible and semi-automatic system
~ Posters get the ability to find promising campaigns and the ability for an escrow.
If anyone has any interest in doing this type of system, let me know because I already have something like this in mind and could easily build it off of an existing script (that I have).
Hey bitcoininformation,
Did this thread influence you in putting the protest message about UPDOWN on your signature, or was that something that you already were going to do?
Did this thread influence you in putting the protest message about UPDOWN on your signature, or was that something that you already were going to do?
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About the overview thread, I think the main point there is to categorize the offers currently available. The point here is to discuss measures of solidarity and to build culture. I think that they don't really overlap such that one supercedes the other.
Exactly. My overview topic is just about showing available campaigns and basic information about it. Updates about campaigns and a few personal opinions are allowed, but really discussing stuff on there is discouraged. You can't tell us to unite and then say it's not a union 
. I previously used the overview thread for this, but I guess we could switch.
. I previously used the overview thread for this, but I guess we could switch.Sure I can. The same way that I can say we should drink a beer together and yet say that I am not enforcing rules on how we drink beer. I think you're having fun with the pun, which is fine. But in all seriousness a 'union' implies a certain formal organization whereas the act of uniting is as generic as the interpretation in the moment.
For more such examples, consider that you and your mates may congress in the hallway, that does not mean you've been elected to the United States Congress; you can jockey your way into a line, that does not mean you're necessarily on a horse; you can advocate for your idea, this does not mean you are a barrister, et much c.
About the overview thread, I think the main point there is to categorize the offers currently available. The point here is to discuss measures of solidarity and to build culture. I think that they don't really overlap such that one supercedes the other.
I guess you are right, but in general it's your choice who to pick. As i can see you use one of the best or maybe the best sig campaign provider.
You can't tell us to unite and then say it's not a union . I previously used the overview thread for this, but I guess we could switch.
. I previously used the overview thread for this, but I guess we could switch. Why don't you just switch to a reputable campaign and let everyone make their own decisions? If they want to get scammed - let them, it's none of your concern.
No. There will be more threads like this if a lot of them gets no pay. Its better to support everyone.
Lucky enough someone like tspacepilot voice it out.
Armed, you're missing the point here. It's not about choosing a reputable campaign or overlooking things which are too good to be true. This is about sticking together when a campaign advertizer tries to screw some contractees but not others. Take a look at what happened in the xbtec thread, when some of the members with visible trust gave negative feedback, the problem was resolved for all the others within hours. Note that those guys that gave the visible feedback had been paid themselves, but they put the negative feedback as a sort of solidarity with the others who had been screwed.
Well, I'm glad you agree. I think we can take it to the next level, though. If people decide the kind of things that the advertizers need to get together before the campaign starts (say details about payment timing, for example), and then refuse to add the signature until these kinds of things are clarified up front, it seems to me that a lot of unfortunate scenarios that we have witnessed could be prevented. Really, I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to faciliate a discussion about how to best stick together and get a better marketplace for the advertizers and campaigners.
Why don't you just switch to a reputable campaign and let everyone make their own decisions? If they want to get scammed - let them, it's none of your concern.
No. There will be more threads like this if a lot of them gets no pay. Its better to support everyone.
Lucky enough someone like tspacepilot voice it out.
Armed, you're missing the point here. It's not about choosing a reputable campaign or overlooking things which are too good to be true. This is about sticking together when a campaign advertizer tries to screw some contractees but not others. Take a look at what happened in the xbtec thread, when some of the members with visible trust gave negative feedback, the problem was resolved for all the others within hours. Note that those guys that gave the visible feedback had been paid themselves, but they put the negative feedback as a sort of solidarity with the others who had been screwed.
Thank you community for sticking up for us members that didnt get paid.
UpDown.BT has just send their final payments and I have removed my negative trust rating and signature accordingly. Glad to see everything got sorted out in the end.
EDIT: It seems that UpDown.BT hasn't paid everyone yet. Negative reputation and signature has been added again.
EDIT: It seems that UpDown.BT hasn't paid everyone yet. Negative reputation and signature has been added again.
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