Topic: Those who rent out signature space---Unite! - page 3. (Read 3987 times)

He did not pay me for last month while the first two weeks i got paid.

I have changed my signature today as well and changed my feedback from positive to negative.

We do our best to act as ethically and transparent as possible and I feel that users of this site know that we honor our word/payment as long as they do not spam.

How are we going to unite? No one should join any campaign unless escrowed?

Would every member remove their updown sig help? They are not going to be paid unless someone or group can: pulldown their site, delist their TBF membership, or sox them out.

The way UpDown has behaved with his campaigners... he has actually unleashed a ferocious army against his business. Now, not only ont BitcoinTalk, but also on reddit or elsewhere, wherever UpDown will try to campaign, people will bad name him/his business. Someone may try to Dox him too...

It shouldn't be taken as a work but rather getting paid for what would you post anyway.

+1 I agree with you.

In my case I've tried Primedice for the experience and comments of all the users (More than 400 pages) and we have to be unite to protect other users that are scammed... by the companies that pay for signature space!

No. There will be more threads like this if a lot of them gets no pay. Its better to support everyone. 
Lucky enough someone like tspacepilot voice it out.

Apparantly things have gotten pretty bad over at the updown campaign.  Some folks continue to bear the signature while those who drop the signature in protest never get paid.  As long as some folks keep putting the signature on, then the OP gets free advertising.  Obviously this is a stupid business decision in the long run (I believe)---word will spread through the community eventually about how he fails to honor his contracts and then he will essentially have accomplished "antiadvertising" on this forum.  Anyway, it would all stop right now if the updown advertizers would simply drop the sig together until the situation was straightned out.

a working community is more effective and is the right thing to do, if you got scammed, wouldnt you like a group to come to your aid especially if you have a newbie status?

Yes, xbtec owes me one remaining payment.  FWIW, I believe he will pay, he doesn't seem dishonest, only disorganized.

To the folks who say the system works well as things stand, I'd say you're only partially correct.  Sometimes the system works well, sometimes it doesn't.  If signature bearers with a little more solidarity, I think that advertizers would be forced to get their acts together more quickly.  Really I'm not trying to organize anything "official", I'm merely trying to facilitate a discussion about generating a culture in which certain kinds of abuses aren't tolerated by the community.


Zyborg, I think you missed my point entirely.  I have no power to prevent or "let" everyone make their own decisions.  Nor would I want such a power.  My question to you is this: what would you do if your campaign paid you and failed to pay someone else.  Do you just "let them get scammed"?  Or do you do something proactive under the notion that you may be the next person to "get scammed" by such a campaign?

Pilot Im with you but Xbtec paid me and im going to give them too Friday to pay the rest, I think a strike would be good if we implent a negative on there accounts right now the strike should go more on uptown, at least xbtec came and notify the issue and still in ok standing with me since he did pay me and owe me one more payment.  Right now im speaking against uptown for the moment

Why don't you just switch to a reputable campaign and let everyone make their own decisions? If they want to get scammed - let them, it's none of your concern.

Well, they will learn eventually after getting no payment for their works.

There are too many members here, some will jump to any campaign even if it doesn't pay, they have nothing to loose.

Exactly the same, I was screwed by Tradefortress and bitcoinsports.eu too. After that I gave up for some time but for the past few months it has been going quite well.

The rates have been good too. Its satisfying having a fixed amount of guaranteed earning each month.

I am not in favour of organised action
System works pretty well as things stand now
Pretty clear who has rep and who doesn't

Why not just ask for the fee for certain period of time. maybe for around 6months the signature link will be up and after 6 months you can disable it if he discontinue to send message and pay for another 6months.

I see what you're getting at but this won't work. Like with all strikes you get scabs. Not everyone will be willing to take the risk of removing the signature in case that actually voids them from payment. There's nothing you can do really. People are greedy at the end of the day. I've seen users join signature deals plenty of times even after the campaigns are looking like they're not going to pay or have serious problems. I'd suggest not joining any campaign until they put enough money in escrow or made significant steps to prove their intent to pay, but even that can turn sour quickly (see UpDown.bt) and there's always the greedy ones who won't care about any of that and just join because the campaign is offering a little more than the others.

seems like a good idea.  but actually getting people to do it is prolly like a pipe-dream...

Sure.  I guess what I'm talking about is that I've seen it such that several people aren't paid, they start the scammer thread, but then others who were paid continue on bearing the signature.  Then others jump into the spots vacated by the people who got scammed.  Thus the sponsor can contiue to half-pay or pay when he chooses as long as he doesn't alienate everyone obviously, he can get a lot of free advertising.  I think what's ever worse is that when the next campaign starts, people start to think that this is the way things are (everyone for himself!) and things just get worse and worse for the ad-bearers.


You may be right, things are looking bleak there.  I'll probably drop a line in that thread and ask folks to consider my proposal (act together!). IMHO, it's a shame that a lot of hero and senior members are still wearing the ad.  If you ask me, they should all drop the ad immediately and demand payment in order to put it back.  Obviously, this only really works if people act as a unified front. If only a few remove the ad, up/down will prolly just say "see, they cheated, no payment for them..."


I really think that quality of posts is orthogonal to this issue. Spam/low-value posts obviously clog up the board and make us all unhappy. What's more, advertisers who legitimately care about their image don't want to be associated with such antisocial activity.  IMHO, the scheme by bitmixer.io is really honorable, it doesn't encourage folks to post any more than they already would.  However, the rates are so low there that it's not very competitive.  Nevertheless, I think the problem of weeding low-value posters out of the campaign is not related to the problem of sponsors failing to uphold their contracts in a whimsical way.