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October 28, 2011, 12:36:08 AM
#54
My initial point though was that if I, with my personality, intellect, curiocity, and wants was stuck where Atlas is now, I'd likely get all depressy and insane, and spend most of my time on the intenret trying to learn about as much about stuff outside of the place I'm stuck in. My social focus would get reoriented more towards internet stuff rather than the "boring people" around me, and I'd keep trying to figure out some ideas or ways to help get me the hell out of there, too. Wonder if that's Atlas's excuse, too?

Wow! Could you be more condescending? I don't actually know where you are so I can't make appropriate geo relative comments, but suppose you lived in Manhattan. What you are saying is, "Can you imagine how much it must suck to live in New Jersey? I bet all those people have to do all day is internet porn."

Really, if Atlas is the least bit clever he'll start a business and become one of the folks the Columbia students are protesting. I mean no matter what happens, somebody has to be in the top 1%. It is completely clear who has zero interest in being in that demographic.


Tell me when that happens and I'll make a public apology for saying this, but those rags-to-riches stories don't exist anymore. The only way they would be protesting Atlas right now would be if he just inherited his late father's investment firm and starting scheming up more ways to earn money off investors while lobbying for less taxes and regulation for himself and more taxes and another Patriot Act for those poorer than him.
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October 28, 2011, 12:28:55 AM
#53
My initial point though was that if I, with my personality, intellect, curiocity, and wants was stuck where Atlas is now, I'd likely get all depressy and insane, and spend most of my time on the intenret trying to learn about as much about stuff outside of the place I'm stuck in. My social focus would get reoriented more towards internet stuff rather than the "boring people" around me, and I'd keep trying to figure out some ideas or ways to help get me the hell out of there, too. Wonder if that's Atlas's excuse, too?

Wow! Could you be more condescending? I don't actually know where you are so I can't make appropriate geo relative comments, but suppose you lived in Manhattan. What you are saying is, "Can you imagine how much it must suck to live in New Jersey? I bet all those people have to do all day is internet porn."

Really, if Atlas is the least bit clever he'll start a business and become one of the folks the Columbia students are protesting. I mean no matter what happens, somebody has to be in the top 1%. It is completely clear who has zero interest in being in that demographic.
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October 28, 2011, 12:04:30 AM
#52
Heh, don't knock on smart people. We invent the tech that makes those windmills work, and our east coast financial power houses and west coast VC's provide the cash to have them built. MD and WV are deploying a whole slew of windmills up in our "mountains" (aka "hills" in west coast speak) too, you know  Wink

I never knock smart people. I tend to bash those who keep smart and motivated people from actually solving problems.


Just keep giving them grant money, and they'll keep at it  Grin

My initial point though was that if I, with my personality, intellect, curiocity, and wants was stuck where Atlas is now, I'd likely get all depressy and insane, and spend most of my time on the intenret trying to learn about as much about stuff outside of the place I'm stuck in. My social focus would get reoriented more towards internet stuff rather than the "boring people" around me, and I'd keep trying to figure out some ideas or ways to help get me the hell out of there, too. Wonder if that's Atlas's excuse, too?
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October 27, 2011, 11:33:06 PM
#51
Heh, don't knock on smart people. We invent the tech that makes those windmills work, and our east coast financial power houses and west coast VC's provide the cash to have them built. MD and WV are deploying a whole slew of windmills up in our "mountains" (aka "hills" in west coast speak) too, you know  Wink

I never knock smart people. I tend to bash those who keep smart and motivated people from actually solving problems.
legendary
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October 27, 2011, 11:25:31 PM
#50
Heh, don't knock on smart people. We invent the tech that makes those windmills work, and our east coast financial power houses and west coast VC's provide the cash to have them built. MD and WV are deploying a whole slew of windmills up in our "mountains" (aka "hills" in west coast speak) too, you know  Wink
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October 27, 2011, 09:50:49 PM
#49
Yep. He's near Serenada, TX. Looks like a few housing developments, and an airport, but I guess not too far from Austin (if you have a car)

LMAO at the phrase, "If you have a car!"

Yes everyone has cars. Even teenagers! And that is really just a suburb outside of Austin. It only looks flat but it's on the edge of the hill country. There are lakes and rivers, trees, hills. He is a really easy drive to Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, and not to far to Houston.

Really, don't fret for him!


Ah, awesome! So thanks to you guys, we have a place where our "intelligent," "educated," "Ivy League" created technologies can be built and tested on cheap land by cheap "redneck moron" labor. Thanks! Wink  (j/k of course. Austin makes some tech and science stuff to sometimes)

East Coaster's do have a hard on for Austin. Yes there is some tech there, but it's not like they put men on the moon or anything.

But really that was my point about technology. I doesn't matter how intelligent your engineers are, if they can't build anything. Last I heard the "Green" mountain paradise of Vermont had exactly one windmill. And they were complaining that it was too noisy! Massachusetts is busy litigating to see if they can build windmills off the coast.

Texas has an open invitation for anyone who wants to build offshore wind farms. It doesn't even require federal permits. This was a really good article on understanding Green Technology and Texas.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/solar-wind/4338280
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And that is the curious paradox of Texas: While seemingly more virtuous states labor over environmental impact assessments, Texans see a business opportunity and grab it--and so could very well end up leading the nation in clean energy. "In Texas, because we don't care about the environment, we're actually able to do things that are good for the environment," says Michael Webber, assistant professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Texas at Austin. "It's the most ironic, preposterous situation. If you want to build a wind farm, you just build it."

On private land, wind developers simply make a deal with landowners and pay them a royalty. But there's no siting review process for wind farms on state lands, either. Plus, the state's boundary extends 10.3 miles from the coast, a stipulation made by Sam Houston, Texas's president, before the republic joined the United States in 1845. Federal waters off all other coastal states begin 3 miles offshore, which means wind projects beyond that point--such as Cape Wind, which was proposed for Nantucket Sound in Massachusetts in 2001--fall under the jurisdiction of the Minerals Management Service.

"If you'd like to build a wind farm off the coast of Texas, you only have to deal with the Texas General Land Office, and we're a very eager leaser," Jim Suydam, the office's press secretary, says. "My boss is a Texas Republican. He's an old Marine lieutenant colonel who carries a gun in his boot. But you'll find no bigger proponent of offshore wind power, because he sees it as a vital part of a diversified revenue stream for public education."

Offshore oil and gas production have contributed $6 billion to the Texas Permanent School Fund since it was established in 1854--but that source of income won't rise forever, Suydam says. So this summer the Texas General Land Office signed two offshore wind leases with Houston-based Baryonyx; they were the state's sixth and seventh. When the company goes into production, the state will take a cut--and resell the power. "It's different than in California, where it's all about carbon emissions," Suydam says. "Here it's all about making money."



legendary
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October 27, 2011, 08:45:54 PM
#48
I don't really know where he is from. But it sounds like the desert southwest.

Yep. He's near Serenada, TX. Looks like a few housing developments, and an airport, but I guess not too far from Austin (if you have a car)


The desert southwest is baffling to East Coast city people. They are convinced nobody should live out there. However, they are also convinced that is the perfect place for people to build them the solar, wind, hydro, and thermal power plants they want. In California they call this the "not in my backyard" effect. But to the East and West coast folks, the southwest is really "nobody's backyard". Curiously though it is. And the people in that backyard think, Woot! More shit to build!

In Texas we find things especially ironic. After being resented as a bastion of the evil oil (energy) industry, now we lead the nation in wind power (energy). And you'd be horrified to know that the same rednecks that built the oil refineries are now building bio-fuel refineries, solar plants, and now it looks like they can keep drilling holes in the crust for geo-thermal plants as well.

In ten years, the East Coast will be pissing and moaning that evil Texas energy companies are manipulating their costs of clean energy. But every moment from now till then, the "intelligent", "educated", "civic minded" people in the "civilized" parts of the country will keep thinking, "What on earth could you redneck morons possibly find to do out there???"

Ah, awesome! So thanks to you guys, we have a place where our "intelligent," "educated," "Ivy League" created technologies can be built and tested on cheap land by cheap "redneck moron" labor. Thanks! Wink  (j/k of course. Austin makes some tech and science stuff to sometimes)
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October 27, 2011, 05:43:22 PM
#47
I grew up in a desert region and it was awesome.  We had fuck all in the way of on-tap entertainment - the town didn't get a swimming pool until I was in high school, we had two TV stations and they didn't start broadcasting until 3pm, the local cinema only showed movies about once a month and closed down for a few years - so we had to find stuff to do. 

The only rule most of us had was "be home by dark" and we used to either ride or walk miles out of town to go swimming, go fishing or yabbying or have a picnic at the local waterholes.  Occasionally someone got injured, but that was regarded as a normal part of childhood back then (you hardly every seem to see kids with a broken limb these days).
Red
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October 27, 2011, 05:22:06 PM
#46
So it's like that, but without all of that, and barely any marrow to suck in the dry and desolate environment... but with guns? I lived in a deep European forest a few months for vacation, and I was definitely not bored. Atlas's development of houses is practically out in the desert. I would literally go mad if I lived there. Maybe that's why he is on here so much bringing up such varied and frequent topics, or why he's into Budhism, having nothing really physical around him to need/want?

I don't really know where he is from. But it sounds like the desert southwest. I know many people from out there. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California. All of those places are different, but they are basically filled with people living deliberately. With guns. Also, often with motorcycles and all terrain vehicles. Sometimes they make explosives just for the hell of it. Life is nice when you can make things go boom without attracting needless authorities. Lots have boats and go fishing in a places you'd swear could have no water. Sometimes people grow things where you'd swear nothing should grow. There are few signs to tell you what you can't do. So people come here to find out what they actually can do.

The desert southwest is baffling to East Coast city people. They are convinced nobody should live out there. However, they are also convinced that is the perfect place for people to build them the solar, wind, hydro, and thermal power plants they want. In California they call this the "not in my backyard" effect. But to the East and West coast folks, the southwest is really "nobody's backyard". Curiously though it is. And the people in that backyard think, Woot! More shit to build!

In Texas we find things especially ironic. After being resented as a bastion of the evil oil (energy) industry, now we lead the nation in wind power (energy). And you'd be horrified to know that the same rednecks that built the oil refineries are now building bio-fuel refineries, solar plants, and now it looks like they can keep drilling holes in the crust for geo-thermal plants as well.

In ten years, the East Coast will be pissing and moaning that evil Texas energy companies are manipulating their costs of clean energy. But every moment from now till then, the "intelligent", "educated", "civic minded" people in the "civilized" parts of the country will keep thinking, "What on earth could you redneck morons possibly find to do out there???"
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October 27, 2011, 02:57:02 PM
#45
Also, just wondering, how can you, or any kid, really, grow up and live where you're at? ... So, what the heck do guys do for fun out there? Pray and shoot guns? I grew up in essentially a metropolis, so that area and life is somewhat of a culture shoc for me.

"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practise resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life, to cut a broad swath and shave close, to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms, and, if it proved to be mean, why then to get the whole and genuine meanness of it, and publish its meanness to the world; or if it were sublime, to know it by experience, and be able to give a true account of it in my next excursion."
— Henry David Thoreau

It's like that. Without the woods. Or the pond. But with guns.

So it's like that, but without all of that, and barely any marrow to suck in the dry and desolate environment... but with guns? I lived in a deep European forest a few months for vacation, and I was definitely not bored. Atlas's development of houses is practically out in the desert. I would literally go mad if I lived there. Maybe that's why he is on here so much bringing up such varied and frequent topics, or why he's into Budhism, having nothing really physical around him to need/want?
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October 27, 2011, 12:06:08 AM
#44
Also, just wondering, how can you, or any kid, really, grow up and live where you're at? ... So, what the heck do guys do for fun out there? Pray and shoot guns? I grew up in essentially a metropolis, so that area and life is somewhat of a culture shoc for me.

"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life, living is so dear; nor did I wish to practise resignation, unless it was quite necessary. I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life, to cut a broad swath and shave close, to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms, and, if it proved to be mean, why then to get the whole and genuine meanness of it, and publish its meanness to the world; or if it were sublime, to know it by experience, and be able to give a true account of it in my next excursion."
— Henry David Thoreau

It's like that. Without the woods. Or the pond. But with guns.
legendary
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October 26, 2011, 11:47:11 PM
#43
Wait, your school? I thought you were homeschooled?
Also, just wondering, how can you, or any kid, really, grow up and live where you're at? I mean, your house is nice, but the area is so empty and desolate... I stand there, among the very sparsely set buildings, look out on the horizon, and there's nothing as far as I can see... Not even hills or forests, or even trees, except for a few here and there. Nearest cities are a bit of a drive away, too. So, what the heck do guys do for fun out there? Pray and shoot guns? I grew up in essentially a metropolis, so that area and life is somewhat of a culture shock for me.
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October 26, 2011, 10:03:42 PM
#42
I think the traditional term can go fuck itself.

I don't understand, Atlas. Are you here to learn anything, or just fight everything? Obviously, you can't argue with me about public goods (or anything for that matter) if you don't even know what I'm talking about.

Also, no need to be so angry. I was just pointing you to an interesting topic.

Actually, it's very open ended. Critical thinking and questioning of possible facts and ones teacher is revered. You are free to hold and deny truths according to your judgement. 

You are not displaying "critical thinking" by saying a term can "go fuck itself" if you don't even know what it means...
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October 26, 2011, 09:44:33 PM
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Buddhism is like the complete opposite of nihilism, if only because it actually postulates the existence of definite moral rules that will lead to your soul getting punished or rewarded in your next life. It wraps it up in a lot of mysticism, but it's still a religion.

Actually, it's very open ended. Critical thinking and questioning of possible facts and ones teacher is revered. You are free to hold and deny truths according to your judgement. 
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October 26, 2011, 08:55:31 PM
#40
atlas you get those posters yet?

I did. My school certainly appreciated them. : ) Thanks, Deslok.

You should have taken some pictures to collect the few coins left in the promotion
Yeah I could of but I don't need to be paid to do this. It's valuable unto itself.
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October 26, 2011, 08:53:20 PM
#39
atlas you get those posters yet?

I did. My school certainly appreciated them. : ) Thanks, Deslok.

You should have taken some pictures to collect the few coins left in the promotion
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October 26, 2011, 08:50:22 PM
#38
atlas you get those posters yet?

I did. My school certainly appreciated them. : ) Thanks, Deslok.
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October 26, 2011, 08:47:15 PM
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atlas you get those posters yet?
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October 26, 2011, 08:46:48 PM
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Atlas just keeps getting better and better.

You know it, brother. I'll be here all week.
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October 26, 2011, 08:38:18 PM
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More on topic, I find it loving hilarious Atlas claims to be some sort of Randian Buddhist. Atlas, dude, those two beliefs are utterly, wholly irrenconcilable. To embrace one you must reject fundental tenets of the other. Saying you are both is a good way to show that you understand neither.

Hahaha. Look, I don't know where you gentlemen heard that I follow both of these things unequivocally. I've only taken the parts I like. God forbid I ever follow Objectivism rigidly. Holy shit that would be a nightmare.
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