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newbie
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September 25, 2014, 09:27:51 AM
Thank for your tips. It is useful for me!
member
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September 16, 2014, 11:02:01 PM
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September 16, 2014, 03:50:36 PM
nice one
newbie
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September 12, 2014, 10:58:40 PM
The intention of this topic is to help new buyers and sellers in the BitCoin community who are looking to meet up and trade locally. I've done a lot of local trades and sales over the years, so I'm hoping that my experiences can help beginners by giving them ideas on how to trade safely.

Fantastic info, thank you for providing this.

Personal safety does need to be top of mind, as is also emphasized on ShadowLife's post:

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Once you received the money, you have to make sure that you don’t leave the protected public places with the money to avoid getting robbed after the deal
- http://shadowlife.cc/2012/11/secure-and-professional-bitcoin-otc-exchanges

I haven't completed all that many in-person trades myself but more than once now I have been asked to sell for cash an amount of bitcoins larger than any amount I would be selling by myself.  But had I previously gotten in contact with other traders in my area a larger trade amount probably could have been arranged since that would allow me to have to trade only up to my personal max level and then also there would be two or more of us present when the cash traded hands.

As far as buying bitcoins from an untrusted stranger, the risk of double spending (due to either a Race attack or a Finney attack) is significant enough to require at least one confirmation (or a Green address transfer or a service such as a LocalBitcoins "Transaction" where the funds released to the buyer would always be already-confirmed funds).

One challenge with in-person trading is with communications and coordinating the meet.  Unless you are already planning on spending a couple hours at a coffee shop or wherever, make sure to specify in advance your expectations otherwise you'll often be stuck waiting for your trading partner to show, oftentimes in vain.

For a recent trade the buyer arrived on time but he needed to get cash from an ATM.  It was only then that he learned that his bank account has a low maximum daily withdrawal amount, leaving me holding more bitcoins (and less cash) than I had planned.  Had I confirmed that the buyer had cash in-hand before even setting a meeting time and location is something that would have saved me time, money and the resulting headache.


very helpful, thx
legendary
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RIP Mommy
September 06, 2014, 03:20:04 PM
If video deterred crime, most crime wouldn't be captured on it. If a criminal has no reason to legitimately fear being shot, he will act with impunity.

You are suggesting lethal force versus each criminal? even the tiny ones?

Define "tiny".
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September 06, 2014, 02:51:11 PM
If video deterred crime, most crime wouldn't be captured on it. If a criminal has no reason to legitimately fear being shot, he will act with impunity.

You are suggesting lethal force versus each criminal? even the tiny ones?
legendary
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August 16, 2014, 08:23:46 PM
well written, thanks for taking the time.  Grin
full member
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August 13, 2014, 10:09:06 AM
Stickied. Great tips for local transactions, and should help to keep new users safe.

Thanks!  Grin

Thanks for the sticky! Really hope this advice can help everyone out!

Yes, it will help everyone especially those newbie
legendary
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August 13, 2014, 04:48:32 AM
Thank you so much for the tips and informations here...
legendary
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July 30, 2014, 02:37:39 PM
Most video surveillance cameras are visible, but unnoticed.  Criminals are often unaware that they are being recorded.

For a Bitcoin face2face transaction, in addition to the other methods described in this thread, consider suggesting that both parties to the transaction face the surveillance camera (Starbucks, etc.) for 15 seconds before proceeding.  That should increase the deterrent value.

There are some people who would not want to do that, for legitimate reasons, so use your own judgement before proceeding.

legendary
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July 27, 2014, 01:24:17 AM
If video deterred crime, most crime wouldn't be captured on it. If a criminal has no reason to legitimately fear being shot, he will act with impunity.
legendary
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Well hello there!
July 27, 2014, 12:43:16 AM
Try to do bitcoin transactions with individuals you don't kinow/trust in public, well-lit places.  Preferably with decent video surveillance going on.  I.E.  Shopping mall, high end restaurant, etc.
newbie
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July 18, 2014, 08:29:08 AM
Here's a report of a face-to-face transaction gone bad.

In this instance, a person selling headphones through Craigslist was contacted and a face-to-face trade (at a McDonalds) was arranged.  Except it didn't go according to the buyer's plan and the seller left with both the headphones and the bitcoins:

I just got robbed blind of bitcoins - in person. I'm feeling like I've lost trust in the usability of the currency and looking for advice.
 - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1b89wm
Wow, that's terrible situation. Police really can't do much about it without certain knowledge. I guess legal action isn't the way here.
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July 14, 2014, 02:28:06 PM
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July 08, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
thank you arkadaslar
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June 24, 2014, 10:04:09 AM
Incremental trading is a good practice.  

Try not to have all your Bitcoins in one account.  Try not to have all your cash in your pocket.


I always carry the money I do not want people to know I have in my front pocket. So when I pull out my wallet with maybe 50$ bucks in it I do not look like such a great target Smiley. Hope they just do not notice it's a Coach Wallet  Cheesy. Thats worth stealing on its own lol
legendary
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June 24, 2014, 09:55:31 AM
Incremental trading is a good practice.  

Try not to have all your Bitcoins in one account.  Try not to have all your cash in your pocket.
legendary
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June 23, 2014, 02:54:37 PM
Physical security when trading in-person needs to remain the first priority.

I just read an interesting statistic:

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44% of M-Pesa agents report personally knowing someone who has experienced robbery or theft and the qualitative research revealed that some agents are hiring security guards which is increasing costs.

 - http://www.helix-institute.com/data-and-insights/agent-network-accelerator-survey-kenya-country-report-2013
 - http://helix-institute.com/sites/default/files/Publications/Agent%20Network%20Accelerator_Kenya%20Country%20Report_2013.pdf
 - http://bit.ly/1iqtp2R (using browser-friendly PDF viewer)

There is a significant difference between a Bitcoin trader and an M-Pesa agent as far as physical safety is concerned.  The M-Pesa agent needs a significant inventory of cash because there's no way to know how much cash will be needed to support the day's needs.   A person trading Bitcoin knows in advance of doing each trade the amount.   Therefore, the trader being asked to do a larger trade can adjust to give a heightened level of security for trades when prudent (e.g., for larger trades, or with those counterparties who
show few or no prior trades.)

There's certainly good reason banks, check cashers, and even convenience store clerks protect themselves behind bullet-resistant glass, steel cages, etc.  Those trading Bitcoin should be acutely aware of the risks businesses that deal with cash are subjected to.
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Get ready for PrimeDice Sig Campaign!
June 20, 2014, 02:05:01 PM
I have a concealed carry permit Cool but I open carry when I do local deals, It makes them think twice if they had any ill intentions to start with. We know not all people use bitcoin in legal ways, and you never know who you area dealing with.


Great idea actually, the only problem is if they do want to scam you, they probably also have weapons and this will instantly provoke them
legendary
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RIP Mommy
June 18, 2014, 01:30:43 AM
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I have a concealed carry permit Cool but I open carry when I do local deals, It makes them think twice if they had any ill intentions to start with. We know not all people use bitcoin in legal ways, and you never know who you area dealing with.

Impossible. Everyone knows that open carriers get shot the instant they are within 100 yards of a criminal, have their guns taken from their retention holsters, and are then coup de grace'd with them.  Roll Eyes
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