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WIKI: Christian Terrorism

Muslims Around The World Are Burning Churches and Killing Christians – Where is The Outrage?
http://zionstrumpet.com/2011/08/04/muslims-around-the-world-are-burning-churches-and-killing-christians-where-is-the-outrage/

"Where is the outrage from the worldwide Christian community? I could fill hundreds of pages with stories of muslims burning down churches and killing Christians. Here is a very small sample of recent incidents of Christian persecution taking place on a regular basis in countries with majority muslim populations."
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“We don’t want churches on our street. Today we are going to burn the church, and if you continue we are going to burn your house also,” Note posted to the donor of a plot for a church building in Zanzibar. As if a 97% Muslim majority was not enough, the local population and government (taking a cue from how they do it in other Muslim countries) is, through this latest Zanzibar church burning incident, seeing to it that Islam is the only way on Tanzania’s Pemba and Unguja Islands.

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The Muslims had burned down the homes of 30 Christian leaders, they had killed one Christian, wounded several others, and burned down 69 churches, a Bible school, and a Christian orphanage.

Muslim Brotherhood Supporters Burning Coptic Christian
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2013/08/15/peaceful-brotherhood-protesters-torching-coptic-christian-churches-n1665492

Muslim Brotherhood Memo Encourages Burning Churches in Egypt
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/20/muslim-brotherhood-memo-encourages-burning-churches-in-egypt/

"Muslims Burn Down Catholic Church in Sudan"- Christian Post
http://www.christianpost.com/news/muslims-burn-down-catholic-church-in-sudan-73668/





The problem with Islam is that they will accuse anyone of the above, just so they can kill them to get their property and land.

Yeah, the Hagia Sophia, a church the Muslims took over and made a mosque!

You are either in denial, or defending these murderers!

Where did you seen that Muslims are doing that ( burning Churches for example )?
Christians have done that in the name of god for centuries, didn't they?
I for one do agree that rapists, child molesters, should be treated like parasites, but thats just me. So their death doesn't have an impact....

Please, link how many churches have been burnt in the last year by Muslims, how many Christians have been killed by Muslims ( not war in the Middle East where you have planes from Christians countries bombing schools, hospitals and so on )...

Please find me the exact number of Christians killed and their churches burnt down in the last decade, and some link thats not related to CNN, BBC and so on....

You have Hagia Sophia, one of the largest churches in the world, it was built in 6th century and was an Orthodox basilica for close to 1000 years!!!

The big difference is, Muslims are carrying out these murders to this very day.

You should read http://www.atlasshrugs.com

Thousands are dying in the name of Islam every month for apostasy, being gay, and other "crimes."

Muslims are persecuting Christians in Egypt and throughout the Middle East, burning their churches and killing them. I do not see Christianity doing the same. Get your head out of the sand!

Tithing - didn't know its meaning just googled. It means giving one tenth of your income to already established international businesses instead of helping someone needy.

My friend can give plenty: His time, effort, skills or anything else that isn't money to have his sins forgiven, right? 

Another person I knew who is a deep rooted Christian told me, "I do not need to be in a church to walk with God."  When he said that, he smiled as thought he knew he was off the hook for giving away his money to a church. 

I didn't ignored anything.

Christianity isnt the oldest religion, there are older ones. Also only Ten Commandments were dictated by the God ( or a talking burning bush ). Everything else was written by the man, that is even stated in the Bible.

Because Muslims say so?!? And because Christians says so?!? If you read few posts above you would see that I am not religious...

Christianity became recognized religion when Roman Emperor on his death bed became Christian... Also didn't Christians killed millions because of the religion?!?

I know many Muslims and none of them would be killed if they decide to become Christian or denounce religion... So thats not true at all. There are countries that are strictly following teaching in Kuran, but that's not important.
And if you are gay according Bible should face the same fate...

Leviticus 18:22 - Homosexual acts are an abomination to God.
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.
Chronicles 15:12-13 - They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of                                             Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.....

You do realize that there are so many orders to kill nonbelievers, false prophets, witches...
That everything alive was killed by God ( flood ), the cities destroyed, then killing of 1st born sons and so on....

Apparently the verses of the Quran were dictated to Muhammed by the Archangel Gabriel himself.

You ignored what I wrote.

Christianity is based on Judaism and the Old Testament. Hence the Old Testament (Judaism and Christianity) and the New Testament (Christianity).

Yes, the Romans murdered Jesus on the cross for preaching the gospel.

Not sure why you think the Quran is dictated by God and the Bible is not... are you Muslim?

The main difference is Islam punishes apostates (converts to another religion) and preaching another religion to a Muslim is viewed as grounds to imprison and execute them.
If you are Muslim and become agnostic, they will try and kill you if you live in a Muslim country. It is actually written into the laws and enforced.
In Iran they will hang you if you are gay. Happens quite often actually.


IMO the Quran is a hack job which copies the Old and New Testaments. If you want to see a REAL cult in action, study Islam.
I know many former Muslims who agree with this assessment.

i don't mind to give, especially if i am well off. but i am realistic.. i know that many, if not most, charitable organizations don't really spend that much money on the causes that they purport to. instead, they gather money and launder it into their own pockets, which is what religious leaders do. look at the previous popes, living in opulence while surrounded by poor people and castigating harry potter and gay people.

this was even an issue during the times of jesus.

No answer to the first question.

Your friend is not a fool. In fact, many sins will be forgiven those who give.

In fact, if people did not give, then people will suffer and die, or perhaps they will not hear the gospel of jesus christ,
and supporting the gospel of jesus christ is a good thing to do with money.

On the other hand, I have heard it said, that the tithing was a levitical protocol, but after Jesus Christ came and was crucified, then the levitical protocol of tithing came to an end at that time.

Nonetheless, if that is true, the priests or preachers are appointed ministers to preach the gospel of jesus christ, and they are seeking after a good work. and supporting them is a good idea, but whether or not it is yet legally binding or not in the bible? How do you interpret it?

That is simply a lie, the number. % was calculated based on an average number of religious people in given country and multiplied by the number of citizens. So no, there are no 2 billion Christians....

Is bitcoin a cult then?

A Working Definition of a "Cult"

    The definition of cult in this essay is primarily non-theological. Traditionally Christians apply the term to Bible based groups that have significantly departed from the mainstream and historical creeds, particularly regarding the deity of Jesus and the meaning of His sacrifice on the cross. Bible based cults typically deny the full deity and humanity of Jesus, His atoning work on the cross, bodily resurrection, and return at the end of the age as King of kings and Lord of lords to judge the living and the dead.

    However, Islam is being examined here using a secular definition of cult, that is, the use of mind-bending psychological and sociological techniques to recruit, motivate, and retain converts and members. Contrary to popular understandings, cults may not be religious; they may be political, commercial, or psychological! educational in nature. Cults may be large or small, named or unnamed, known or unknown. They may have a leader or be without a leader. The essential issue is the use of control mechanisms that violate the individuality of participants to freely associate with the group.

    Cults are dangerous-they control, manipulate, and use those under their sway. Islam leaders issue declarations, a "fatwa", and may even call for a holy war, the "jihad". These clerical pronouncements place demands upon Muslims, which may violate their will and inner sensibilities. If Islam were not so fractured into sects and splinter movements, the non-Muslim world would face a more serious enemy that it does today. So strange is Islam, that it sanctions the murder of "infidels" and, of course, I am one and so is anyone who is not a Muslim.

Is Islam Cultic?

    My answer to the above question is that Islam is cultic. The following is a series of questions and assertions designed to demonstrate this contention.

    Why is Islam not a cult when in many Muslim dominated countries it is a capital offense to hand Muslims a Bible, or, to simply explain Christianity to them? Of course, the same holds true for a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Taoist who might attempt to pass along something of his or her faith. Saudi Arabia, the guardian of Islam's most holy shrines in Mecca and Medina, is a highly restricted society where Christians are not allowed any public expression of their faith.

    Why is Islam not a cult when it is virtually impossible for a Muslim to leave the religion even if one is not converting to another religion but merely wishes to become, for example, an atheist or agnostic?

    Why is Islam not a cult when Muslim warriors force their religion on people? The history of Islam is full of that kind of proselytization. Yes, I know the Roman Catholic Church has forced "pagans" to adopt Catholicism. However that church has recognized that in so doing it was wrong-headed, anti-biblical, and, indeed, anti-Christian. As a Baptist, I can say that in 500 years of our history we have not engaged in such tactics and neither have any of the traditional Evangelical, Protestant denominations.

    A vivid illustration of the cultic nature of Islam is the case of the novelist Salman Rushdie. Rushdie had a death contract issued against his life for what was taken as a slight against Allah in his Satanic Verses. Whereas, novelists, journalists, commentators, filmmakers, and television producers routinely critique Christianity without reprisal. Yes, I know there were the inquisitions, but again, those were carried out by the Roman Church, which is only one segment of the Christian Church. But with Islam, vengeance, reprisals, and even death contracts are systemic and ingrained in the religion.

    Many if not most Muslims who live in Western countries are not cultic extremists and will be patriots of whatever country in which they live. But, the commitment to Islam may run far deeper than loyalty to any nation. Muslims will change national or political affiliations if needed, but their commitment to the defense of Islam may be fanatical. Religious faith, especially cultic religious faith, may motivate people into radical behavior.

http://www.w3church.org/ISLAM1.html

I am not religious person, so no I don't give them ( church ) anything. Religion as far as I remember is based on poverty and not on wealth, so why would someone fill pockets of " man in black robes " or give money to a church that has walls covered in gold...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/08/17/the-economist-estimates-the-catholic-church-spent-171600000000-in-2010/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/03/08/wealth-of-roman-catholic-church-impossible-to-calculate/

What's the world population?  7 billion?

Christianity has 2 billion people in it's cult.  How many people in this government of yours?

As it also applies to the government and those above it, the actual largest cult in existence.

I think I see the disconnection between AW and I.

He is using the following definition for cult:

Whereas I, like the rest of the population, uses the standard dictionary definition:

OR

I have bolded the primary difference.  Clearly AW's definition has been "altered" to favor the rites and ceremonies of the christian religion, and to denounce as extreme the rites of other religions.

Basically, "I don't like what they are doing so I will label them"

Cult isn't a bad word - it just means a group of people that worship religiously, and it applies to all religions - not just ones you are not in.

I realize AW can't understand this, since he is "too close".  I won't senselessly debate this any more.

Peace out.