Topic: Top Saudi Cleric: The Sun Revolves Around The Earth… - page 2. (Read 3198 times)

Don't worry... you will.

I don't understand how anyone can believe in religions and their holy books. They are OBVIOUSLY written by a bunch of dudes who saw how fucked up the world was in their time and to make themselves feel better created a bunch of laws and beliefs. It sure is easier to sleep at night when you believe that the "evil" will be punished with hell after death, while the good may suffer in life but be rewarded after, but that's not how the world works. Equally good and terrible things happen to good and terrible people.

These books reflect the time in which they were written - there is tons of sexism, brutal punishments (like stoning people), homophobia and so on. They also reflect other archaic beliefs of the time, such as the one in this post. There is NO WAY that these kind of texts would be written (or inspired by) some divine holy being - why would a truly good divine being condone hatred, violence, and sexism? They are obviously written by men. And if the books are written by man, then the associated religion is also created by man. There is nothing divine about it.

I have nothing against religious people. There are plenty of good individuals who are religious. But I just don't understand their belief, especially when based on books such as the Koran and the Bible.

If d sun is going round d earth how about other planets, why dont they stay at the same place. How about d moon. Our Gravity works with the smaller object going round a bigger one

It's true that Copernicus got his idea of the sun as the center from Najm al-Dīn al-Qazwīnī al-Kātibī, an Islamic scholar. It's not that some are smarter than others, just that some are more willing to accept the provable truth over their preconceived notions.

Nah. That also is just a religious belief 

the funy thing is that they were relly inteligent few hundred years ago ...

Funny how people believe in something so provably wrong. You can go in your back yard with a toy telescope and a calculator and prove the Earth revolves around the sun. It's like saying evolution is not really happening, despite us seeing it everywhere.

I don't think that quote was talking about the Sun. The Sun as in The "Son" of God. "All-Knowing" as in "To Know; knowledge" is referring to a physical being not a planet such as "The Sun" but as in "The Son"

Bottom line is:
The whole world revolves around me, the Son of God.

I guess you can say that:
The planet Earth revolves around the "Son".

standard for goat lovers ...

Well the Sun Revolves around the Galaxy and the Galaxy Revolves Around Something So Mind blowing  

But to troll the moon revolves around the earth in an elliptical orbit, with a mean eccentricity of 0.0549.

I see where you're coming from, but I saw a lot of D'Souza talks and debates and I don't find his arguments convincing, I remember watching the debate you quoted and I don't see any evidence for special knowledge on the bible based on that argument, they got that thing right but a lot of other simple stuff wrong, like slavery, or women coming from a mans rib, or a global flood, well, you can see where I'm going...

Accuracy is a useful thing... Hindu, for example, from the quick searches I did, seem far more consistent with a cyclical theory of the universe.

I'll also point out that your view that this was merely a statistical fluke means that science has been wrong for many centuries... certainly wrong when the evidence was in view, and most of science still rejected it.

I'm not anti-science, by the way... I'm anti-dogmatic.

I do, however, reject the belief in materialism so persistent in science.

Could they be talking about galaxies floating around a black hole?

It was a 50/50 chance, the universe always existed or it had a beginning, and the middle eastern bronze age sheep herders got it right, it had a beginning, but so did the Hindus and Buddha and the Egyptians and many others...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths

When you are so firmly convinced of your righteousness (oops, wrong word), perhaps it's time to re-examine your fundamental (oops again) perceptions.

I'm reminded of the funny story told by Dinesh D'Souza: "Addressing the Big Bang theory, D'Souza agreed with Krauss that there was nothing in the beginning – no energy, no particles, no time or space. And that is "completely consistent with what Christians believe and exactly said by the ancient Hebrews thousands of years ago without doing a single experiment but solely on the basis of 'God told us.'"

"And the astounding fact is that 2,000 years later, modern science after climbing round and round the mountain has arrived at the top only to find a bunch of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries," said D'Souza to laughter from the audience."

It might be sobering to think that people far more intelligent than you or I have no problems believing in religion.

Yep. Just like when you interact with my threads. sad I know. 

Yet we are forced to interact with them on a regular basis.   

I would have been less polite in my description of religion!

LOL!

My $.02.

Looks like they are living in another planet.