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Quote from: Joyawan13 on May 12, 2020, 04:33:41 AM

what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

Are you a beginner in trading?
When I was day trading and watching quite few Youtube videos back in the days, I thought it is gonna be an easy money for me because it is day trade anyway and what could go wrong if I just observe the market.
Turns out it was difficult actually. Depends on the situations these days.

The difficulty also varies depending on what kind of style of trading you decide to use, day trading is the most profitable of all but at the same time it is the most difficult one, the reason for this is that you have no time to take your decisions, you need to be able to execute your strategy on the blink of an eye because if you do not then it is possible the price will move against you to the point that a profitable trade now will be a losing one due to that initial lag.

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Quote from: Joyawan13 on May 12, 2020, 04:33:41 AM

what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

Are you a beginner in trading?
When I was day trading and watching quite few Youtube videos back in the days, I thought it is gonna be an easy money for me because it is day trade anyway and what could go wrong if I just observe the market.
Turns out it was difficult actually. Depends on the situations these days.

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Well, that is normal for investing and trading, we are all not sure to gain profit on it, there is no person who can predict the accurate value of the bitcoin in the future that is why trading and investing becomes so hard to make a profit but having knowledge and skills on it will lessen the possibility of losing your money. It has to earn first from both things but while you are having the experience you will gain skills that you can use to make a profit. You need to be more focused so you will be able to lessen the risk of losing your money.

I am also somehow related on you because it's so hard for me to win in trading and investing, well that's normal because I am still a beginner on both things, it's hard for me to earn because I don't have much experience on it.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 29, 2020, 04:02:50 PM

Both sides are quite difficult to make money. When it is moving like crazy it is hard to make a profit because you are at a situation where it is going up or down and moves frantically and you might miss all of it, you could buy it right when it starts to drop or you could sell it right when it is going up, it is a very very crazy situation and it creates a ton of trouble for everyone and you need to be very good at trading to know when to trade.

However when it is not volatile and it is staying around the same prices like it has in the past month, that means you can't really make a profit neither, it is not moving at all so how could you make a profit? At the end of the day we can't really make a profit without price changing. So what we need is middle of it, move a bit enough to make a profit but don't move like crazy.

True! The market volatility is the reason why we can earn profit out of these value differential! Therefore, it's not true to say that the market is too "volatility" so we should stop trading. The only thing we should do is adjust our goal from long-term to short-term. Consider the market circumstance like right now, we should only do daily trading to avoid the risk of being lost our capital!

not just profit but its also the reason why we loss but thats fine atleast we can utilize our losses and make a greater profit instead . those who say the phrase avoid because its volatile are scared or does not have enough experience yet on these volatile market .

volatile can be our friend too sometimes and not just enemy so why they are being one sided ? i guess they also hate cryptos thats why they say those things to warn and scare people

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 29, 2020, 04:02:50 PM

Both sides are quite difficult to make money. When it is moving like crazy it is hard to make a profit because you are at a situation where it is going up or down and moves frantically and you might miss all of it, you could buy it right when it starts to drop or you could sell it right when it is going up, it is a very very crazy situation and it creates a ton of trouble for everyone and you need to be very good at trading to know when to trade.

However when it is not volatile and it is staying around the same prices like it has in the past month, that means you can't really make a profit neither, it is not moving at all so how could you make a profit? At the end of the day we can't really make a profit without price changing. So what we need is middle of it, move a bit enough to make a profit but don't move like crazy.

True! The market volatility is the reason why we can earn profit out of these value differential! Therefore, it's not true to say that the market is too "volatility" so we should stop trading. The only thing we should do is adjust our goal from long-term to short-term. Consider the market circumstance like right now, we should only do daily trading to avoid the risk of being lost our capital!

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Both sides are quite difficult to make money. When it is moving like crazy it is hard to make a profit because you are at a situation where it is going up or down and moves frantically and you might miss all of it, you could buy it right when it starts to drop or you could sell it right when it is going up, it is a very very crazy situation and it creates a ton of trouble for everyone and you need to be very good at trading to know when to trade.

However when it is not volatile and it is staying around the same prices like it has in the past month, that means you can't really make a profit neither, it is not moving at all so how could you make a profit? At the end of the day we can't really make a profit without price changing. So what we need is middle of it, move a bit enough to make a profit but don't move like crazy.

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when the cryptocurrency market situation is still very volatile, it is indeed very difficult to determine the right position,
because it could be Fake, whales are playing

You guys are right by saying the cryptocurrency trading and investment situation is getting difficult but this is also the season to make a quick and constant profit if the trader/investor can properly manage and follow the whale's decision. However, this will require spending much time and putting emotion in check.

Agree! In this market condition, it's a good time to earn a quick and instant profit than investing in long-term projects. Because of the volatility of the market, we can quickly jump in to buy a coin and jump out when we hit our profit target. The important thing is that you have to have the ability to analyze the market to avoid the risk of losing your capital!

Thats correct but the stance of the market momentum make it hard to only rely on analysis and like i have said in my previous post, it better to include news and other activities that will somehow influence the price of the market.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 28, 2020, 02:52:41 PM

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when the cryptocurrency market situation is still very volatile, it is indeed very difficult to determine the right position,
because it could be Fake, whales are playing

You guys are right by saying the cryptocurrency trading and investment situation is getting difficult but this is also the season to make a quick and constant profit if the trader/investor can properly manage and follow the whale's decision. However, this will require spending much time and putting emotion in check.

Agree! In this market condition, it's a good time to earn a quick and instant profit than investing in long-term projects. Because of the volatility of the market, we can quickly jump in to buy a coin and jump out when we hit our profit target. The important thing is that you have to have the ability to analyze the market to avoid the risk of losing your capital!

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when the cryptocurrency market situation is still very volatile, it is indeed very difficult to determine the right position,
because it could be Fake, whales are playing

You guys are right by saying the cryptocurrency trading and investment situation is getting difficult but this is also the season to make a quick and constant profit if the trader/investor can properly manage and [follow the whale's decision]. However, this will require spending much time and putting emotion in check.

Well, I need to clear this phrase that I bolded above. In what way we know how to follow the whales decision?

I know it sound weird but we have some project that follow big buy/sell of any cryptocurrency in the market (whales alert is an example) and the best way to follow whales decision is to subscribe to paid services of the project platform.

Quote from: Ryker1 on June 28, 2020, 03:15:10 PM

Is this right for traders to rely upon whale's movement? I understand that it is hard to gain profit in trading but in investing perhaps you need to have perfect timing in investing, when you do that and there is bullish come, for sure your profit was there.

Yes and no because the crypto market has different season but we're in whales market season which the reason why the market experienced sudden surge/dump and rely on whales movement is perfect decision now.

Quote from: Ryker1 on June 28, 2020, 03:15:10 PM

Trading is needed pure skills and you must good in technical and fundamental analysis, --or even what indicators you need to learn just explore and digging research perhaps makes you a high chance to gain profit both trading and investment.

Like you said traders need pure skill but not to understand TA and FA analysis alone for skill is needed to understand market season either in other thrive

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 28, 2020, 02:52:41 PM

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when the cryptocurrency market situation is still very volatile, it is indeed very difficult to determine the right position,
because it could be Fake, whales are playing

You guys are right by saying the cryptocurrency trading and investment situation is getting difficult but this is also the season to make a quick and constant profit if the trader/investor can properly manage and [follow the whale's decision]. However, this will require spending much time and putting emotion in check.

Well, I need to clear this phrase that I bolded above. In what way we know how to follow the whales decision? Is this right for traders to rely upon whale's movement? I understand that it is hard to gain profit in trading but in investing perhaps you need to have perfect timing in investing, when you do that and there is bullish come, for sure your profit was there.

Trading is needed pure skills and you must good in technical and fundamental analysis, --or even what indicators you need to learn just explore and digging research perhaps makes you a high chance to gain profit both trading and investment.

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when the cryptocurrency market situation is still very volatile, it is indeed very difficult to determine the right position,
because it could be Fake, whales are playing

You guys are right by saying the cryptocurrency trading and investment situation is getting difficult but this is also the season to make a quick and constant profit if the trader/investor can properly manage and follow the whale's decision. However, this will require spending much time and putting emotion in check.

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Quote from: Joyawan13 on May 12, 2020, 04:33:41 AM

what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

This is to be expected, as the market of cryptocurrencies becomes more popular and gets more liquidity this means more institutional investors are coming, and they are not here to lose, they are here to get money away from you, as such the days in which someone without too much knowledge about the markets could make a living here are over, however it is a little bit naive to think that profitable traders are here and will take the time to help you since they are probably too busy earning money or they simply have no desire to share their strategy with you.

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I feel this. to be honest, trading is very difficult to analyze, and various investment sites on the internet become a scam, or not worth the price. This is different from previous years, where there are so many trusted projects. Well, it looks like we need to get used to this, and things could get better in the future

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Quote from: Lordhermes on June 25, 2020, 12:14:06 PM

Your loss in trading should give more hints and new strategies to follow, but if that cause failure then advised to stop immediately.

Quote from: maxreish on May 13, 2020, 12:33:09 AM

This might be the point where you're headed towards a double edged-sword. In my opinion if trading isn't something you can make a profit on then there's something so fundamental that you're missing on. The logical solution would be to determine what that is and try again because traders haven't become successful overnight but with patience and lots of experience and by that I mean losses too. Though, as advised above there are also people/situations where perhaps the best thing to do is to look else where if trading isn't making you happy.

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Quote from: coinfinger on June 25, 2020, 11:32:57 PM

I understand that there could be people who love to trade so much that they can't stop trading.
Or people who just see the movements and think that they are missing out a lot and want to be a part of it.

No one loves trading as far as from my experience to be honest because it requires constant focus and brings strain but yeah I agree with you a lot of guys feel like they are missing out and that FOMO is what also make people buy some shit coins.

Quote from: coinfinger on June 25, 2020, 11:32:57 PM

none of those things are right thing to do since trading is not something you should do when you want to but a thing you should do when you find the right moment. Without getting to that right moment (usually bottom if you want to buy and peak when you want to sell) doing anything would hurt you overall. So, just keep waiting and do not act on anything unless you are absolutely forced to.

There is no way you know the right moment anyways so that doesn't make sense to me and a good trader finds opportunity out of nowhere and if you are waiting for the absolute best price to sell/buy for an asset you sometime miss out on that or hold it for too long.

The only reason why trading is looking harder and harder is because everyone is doing it and the market is pretty saturated now so you can't just do it as easily as earlier and even whales struggle to profit now a days because they cant influence the market to the desired value and that is actually good for the market in general.

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Quote from: rathaha10 on June 06, 2020, 03:46:57 PM

Well, it's almost thesame here and i know quite a lot of traders who are finding it difficult to make decent profit during this rather difficult time. Well i kinda attributed it to the whole market downtrends we are currently facing, the bears is at large and trading is much profitable during bear conditions. Nonetheless, there are still some traders making it quite well but it's isn't comparable to when there is a bull market

Naturally, trading in a situation where there aren't any events that would obviously benefit a large number of people requires skill and time. Sure, trading could easily be said as buy and HODL until you see a situation where your HODL strat finally worked, but that can't describe trading in its entirety after all.

Quote from: Renampun on June 25, 2020, 01:26:10 PM

agree with you...
for those who have no experience, it is strongly recommended to buy crypto coins that are not too risky such as Ethereum and EOS to invest in the long term. Ethereum and EOS are great for long-term investments when compared to Bitcoin which is too risky because of wild price changes.

Err what? Bitcoin outstrips altcoins by far in terms of long term investment. Stop talking about it's "wild price changes", we're talking about long term investments here, not short term ones. You just killed your own argument with that recommendation.

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I understand that there could be people who love to trade so much that they can't stop trading.
Or people who just see the movements and think that they are missing out a lot and want to be a part of it.

However none of those things are right thing to do since trading is not something you should do when you want to but a thing you should do when you find the right moment. Without getting to that right moment (usually bottom if you want to buy and peak when you want to sell) doing anything would hurt you overall. So, just keep waiting and do not act on anything unless you are absolutely forced to.

We need to make sure we slow down our trading and do it a lot less during these days since it is getting more and more volatile after a big stagnant period and it will certainly hurt anyone who goes overboard with their finances.

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Quote from: chichidori on June 06, 2020, 02:50:09 AM

It is still the same as it was whats making it hard are the scam and exchange being hack almost every time. because of bitcoin volatile nature, it is hard to predict so if your not a seasoned crypto trader I suggest you buy and hold or look for another altcoin to trade such as ETH and EOS.

agree with you...
for those who have no experience, it is strongly recommended to buy crypto coins that are not too risky such as Ethereum and EOS to invest in the long term. Ethereum and EOS are great for long-term investments when compared to Bitcoin which is too risky because of wild price changes.

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Trading and investment is quite different, which ever one is preferable in your crypto career, investment requires patient as its the basic fact to follow. Your loss in trading should give more hints and new strategies to follow, but if that cause failure then advised to stop immediately.

Quote from: maxreish on May 13, 2020, 12:33:09 AM

While others are gaining thru trading and you are at loss all the time.

Yeah, because of non preparation and some undergo trading academy especially those of forex section. Preparation gives you insight on future.

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Quote from: Joyawan13 on May 12, 2020, 04:33:41 AM

what I am experiencing right now is that it is difficult for me to obtain profits from investments and trade that I do, & is there someone here who has more effective ways for me to be able to improve my trade and investment so that I can get a profit of course, not vice versa I get is continuous loss.

Different people have different trading strategies and while one might work for some it might not actually work for the others.
So it's the best thing to explore and find out a trading strategy which works well for you.
You say that you always end up losing the amount but if you change your perspective then you will know that you are the one who is selling your coins at a loss. If you just keep holding them until you make a profit out of it then you won't end up losing your investment.
So you have to explore a trading strategy in this way.

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