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Topic: Trading has become too much akin to gambling. Let's embrace it - page 5. (Read 1210 times)

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Anyway, I think more casinos should follow the path of what Rollbit has been doing with its virtual futures and offer gambling services based on the BTC price.
Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?

Trading and gambling are quite two different things and I don't think there's need to embrace it together,Yes we know the volatility of the crypto markets but then we should bear in mind the amount of risk it brings while in collaboration with gambling and gambling on casino games that are offering real fluctuations of BTC price is a no for me cause you'll still have high chances of loosing.
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For me, it is 100% possible that I can go into trading with $1k every day and if am not greedy, I  am certain to make 5% every day but in  gambling, I am not certain of winning every day. So, I see a big gap between trading and gambling. If you are a skilled trader, 5% profit (ROI) is 99% guarantee every day but most people lose money in trading because they are handling it like gambling and because they are greedy to accept 30% profit below.
I agree with you, even though we choose casino game that is based on the actual BTC price fluctuation, it will still have very high risk of losing because what we do is bet and in our own trading we can minimize losses but in gambling we can never do it more securely.
Actually, the attitude of each individual will also be able to provide certain influence on the success or failure that occurs, but basically when see it can provide rewards that look much bigger and faster, it makes conditions like this what often makes most people complacent.
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Each type of gambling has its fans. We are all very different and our interests are also different. I remember the boom of binary options on bitcoin and it is quite strange that this boom ended. Binary options were the first real attempt to combine trading and gambling. You know, this is a clear trend of recent years. The gaming industry cannot ignore the fact that trading is becoming very popular among the general population and apparently the popularity of trading is starting to exceed the popularity of casino games and sports betting. However, personally I do not understand why we cannot combine these several interesting activities. I assume that in the near future there will be more synthetic products based on trading and gambling.
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Yes of course, I also sometimes use the casino and bet on that type of game to try my luck when the international break takes place.
Actually it is very interesting when we can combine analysis and instinct to use 500x++ leverage to get short-term profits or usually use a scalping strategy.
Maybe this is too risky because we don't know what will happen but in my opinion the future is an alternative way to get quick profits compared to having to bet on lottery or other games that cannot be used using analysis.
At Rollbit one of the casinos I often visit to play this trading.
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Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?
Yes I will.
Actually this is the first time to hear about this kind of game, it's like a predictions game were you get to predict the actual price of Bitcoin.
However, I have seen it on an exchange before but I am surprised to see it in a casino. Although it's a good approach because traders can also bet on the game through price predictions.

Here is the exchange that allows their users to predict Bitcoin prediction for free. To me it's like a raffle, and you only need to predict the exact price of Bitcoin and wait for a minute and some second.

And as such, I highly recommend anybody who wishes to give the gambling future game a try to visit Rollbit Solana casino. This casino is top notch.
Absolutely.
The Rollbit Solana casino is one of the trusted and user friendly casinos, it games are easy to play. I also recommend new gamblers to try the ROLLBIT Solana Casino.
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Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?
Definitely some people will prefer to gamble on the price fluctuations of bitcoin price. I have also seen it on two other gambling site before.

But as for me, I will prefer no to do that. I will prefer to go for perpetual future trading which is what that I prefer and not actually gambling like the binary-option-like ones like betting on fluctuations of bitcoin price
Binary can be akined to gambling but not future or spot trading because future and spot requires alot of technical analysis and if you have the skills to properly analyze the market, for sure you will be on a steady profits regardless of what the amount of time you have to wait for that profits to be accumulated, unlike gambling that is based pourly on luck, and chances, although as a newbie trader the loses in trading can be the same with gambling since you may become emotionally imbalance to close your position when in loses, this mostly happens to newbies who lack stable emotions.

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Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?

If one is to gamble on this notion and believing that the casino will be just in their activities, they’ll rather go and have the knowledge of pure trading. Knowing when and how the price of bitcoin will go up or down is already a plus for them when gambling with such games. It may be easier for people that are already into trading to win big when they play games like this in casinos. This should maybe not called gambling anymore but trading. This option will be much enhanced by casinos because of how big they can win from it. Many gamblers won’t mind to have knowledge of trading and since it’s just two options to chose from, they’ll rather want to keep trying until they get it right instead of seeking the actual knowledge of trading to help them predict well.
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It looks very similar because the risks involved are quite large. In my opinion, future trading is the same as gambling. Sometimes prices are manipulated, but there is still a difference between gambling and trading.
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It is much more difficult trading nowadays as trading it is run by much bigger "corporations and interests" compared to gambling, in here, in trading banks are involved heavily for the foreign exchange thing which is the thing most player do trade on, despite many people playing commodities, even there big exchanges like Dow Jones and others can manipulate things the way they like as they have such power, in gambling, specifically in sport betting I would say that it is much easier to have a win without such powers being an obstacle to your way. So I consider trading much more dangerous for real compared to gambling because higher powers totally have control on trading more than the powers who have somewhat control in gambling, just my opinion on the matter and it won't change on this, I know for real trading have made much more victims than gambling, even more so called "higher education people, or higher jobs performers".
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...Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?

Such bets on cryptocurrency are not something new, as Polymarket already offers something similar - https://polymarket.com/markets/crypto. And judging by the activity, cryptocurrency betting is popular among site visitors.
Wanted to actually mentioned this site that they offers such prediction before I have to scroll down a bit to see you had already mentioned it. Yes, this polymarket offer variety range of things including the just concluded US election predictions, it was majorly carried out through this market and this cause so much concerned to some elites who are concerned about the funding of US presidential election.
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Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?
Do you mean just like Rollbit Solana casino future? Whereby gamblers are given the privilege to predict the up and down price movement of Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies?.  Because if that's what you meant, then I must say that would have been the best kind of games for crypto traders, of which with a good knowledge of the market chart and price movement, you should be able to leverage on a reasonable amount of profit, unlike the usual casino games, whose outcome are always a product of random algorithms. And as such, I highly recommend anybody who wishes to give the gambling future game a try to visit Rollbit Solana casino. This casino is top notch.
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Trading is only said to be gambling for some people who are classified not for everyone who is a trader so that in the end the scope must be differentiated in this case because seeing from the conditions and some things that happen we must be aware that in the end trading is said to be gambling for those who claim to be traders but only rely on the instincts they have and the belief that the coin will go up but do not know when exactly the most important thing is that they believe without thinking about technical or other analysis in looking at candel charts for example.

Things like this are certainly not everyone can be said to be the same because there are some moments where a lot of professional traders always do it according to their analysis and expertise not just based on instinct alone so even though in some cases sometimes there will be a lot of people who agree to say trading is like gambling but there must be a classification regarding this matter.

There's a big distinction between trading the financial market and gambling because in trading the risk can be properly managed compared to gambling but people now take certain risks in trading that can also be regarded as gambling. When you trade against the trend in the financial market that's obviously gambling, going in opposite direction of the market is a huge risk and it's not really a responsible risk to take. But when people say that they are the same I always disagree. When it comes to crypto and forex it's a school of continuous learning, the more you learn the more skillful you become, I can't say the same for gambling.
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Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?

Yes I will gamble on it but I will be extremely conscious and principled with my wagering and that's because I know that if casinos introduces such game, they will program it in such a way that they will have more leverage of winning compare to the player. Like the saying, casinos never lose.
 
For me, it is 100% possible that I can go into trading with $1k every day and if am not greedy, I  am certain to make 5% every day but in  gambling, I am not certain of winning every day. So, I see a big gap between trading and gambling. If you are a skilled trader, 5% profit (ROI) is 99% guarantee every day but most people lose money in trading because they are handling it like gambling and because they are greedy to accept 30% profit below.
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The binary trading would be fitting for it to be consider gambling. Still its almost the same risk, you could lose coins unless you hold.

There are still BTC speculation games in FortuneJack and RollBit AFAIK. Its just not so fun to play when you have experienced the best in secondstrade back then when the coins are sent back to you when you win. I think with LN today its already possible to do that again. Nobody is developing the same platform though.
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Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?

In the past I had some interest in betting on the price of Bitcoin, but whenever I analyzed the chart and looked at the options that the site was offering I came to the conclusion that it would not be worth it. In my opinion predicting the price of Bitcoin is difficult, but at least you can buy and place a stop-loss or do long-term HODL, so the chances of losing all the money are low. Let me give you an example: take $100 and bet everything on a bookmaker, that person will bet that the price of Bitcoin in December will close at $100,000, but when the price closes at $90,000 then that person will lose all $100. Now if this person buys bitcoin at $90,000 and the price in January drops to $80, for example, this person will not lose the entire $100
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Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?
Gambling on fluctuating BTC price for me is highly risky than the traditional sports gambling due to its high volatility it makes it very difficult to have a good chance for a short time prediction as we can easily do with sports games.  if I am to gamble on bitcoin price It will be for the thrilling feeling I might wish to experience with it cause am sure the feeling for both would be different.
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If I were to bet on bitcoin price or lets say any cryptocurrency price then I would rather do it on an exchange instead of a casino.
As others have mentioned, leveraged trading is a better option which provides options like stop loss which can benefit us.
Betting on casinos will get our money liquidated quickly. Casinos should rather be used for gaming related bets from my perspective.
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I'm assuming everyone here already knows how volatile crypto markets are and how much of a risk it is to trade there. I'm not going to delve deep on that topic because I consider it a given already. However I'm getting a sense that in spite of the great demand to make risky trades on crypto, casinos tend to ignore it too much.

I remember a few years ago binary options on BTC/USD were quite popular.
These days billions of USD are put towards leveraged futures, and now with markets opening futures and options on Bitcoin ETFs, institutional investors will also have access to very risky positions on BTC right from their broker.

However, these markets have several restrictions. On most brokers you can't get margined leverage above 5x and/or many territories don't even allow for brokers to offer options to the general public. Let alone the fact that people from many countries aren't even allowed to sign up to crypto exchanges because of arbitrary reasons like for example Israel pressuring Binance to close the accounts of people just for being Arab.

Anyway, I think more casinos should follow the path of what Rollbit has been doing with its virtual futures and offer gambling services based on the BTC price. There could be several advantages. No KYC, no regulatory restrictions as imposed on traditional markers, unlimited leverage... You name it.
Maybe even there could be some algorithmic memecoin releases. Maybe you're one of the lucky ones that get 10x or one of the unlucky ones that get rugged.

Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?
This is something I've always wished was available on stake, since stake has remained my favorite and number one go to casino for anything gambling.

I completely agree with all that you have said, but I still believe that there is a difference between a trader and a gambler, and that difference will always remain, what will seperate both is their level of knowledge and dedication to research and analysis.
A professional trader won't trade blindly, he or she must research, analyze, read, take all the necessary measured to ensure that he or she knows what he or she is doing when ever he or she opens a position.

But for the gambler, he or she may not have to time for research or analysis, this things are complicated and he may not even know how to do them, so, he enter the market, opens a position blindly, this is what makes him or her a gambler.

Casinos have a great opportunity to open up gambling of cryptocurrencies based on their price instability, but i guess most casinos are already OK with the games they offer, which is actually very boring at times.
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Would you gamble on casino games that are based around the real fluctuations of BTC's price?

These are similar to trading only. The only difference is the risk you take while the bet is on. Normally while trading, the risk involved is comparatively low; you slowly see the price go up or go down. But in the case of price prediction games, you place the bet, and there is a 1/0 outcome. So if I was given a choice, then definitely I would go for the low risk involved. We also need to remember one thing: low risk is equal to low profit and vice versa.
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Binary games like what you can play on Rollbit is still trading. It’s just high risk but there’s a basis on your bet which can increase your winning percent if analyze properly while on gambling the result is just pure luck which no type analysis can help you to win the game.

There’s a different level of risk on trading but that doesn’t we can categorized them already on gambling. Not all with risk is gambling!

The difference is the purpose of use, Trading even with high risk is a financial instrument while gambling is just an entertainment tool.
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