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Topic: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - SWITCH TO BPI ON JULY 15 !!! (Read 241362 times)

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I'm gonna give this one more bump, now that price action has finally gotten interesting.

RyNin's site fully automates the game, and eliminates 'checkins'. Now that price is actually _doing_ something, things can start to get interesting!

I hope to see many of you veterans on the other side :-)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16159804
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1009
Legen -wait for it- dary
As the site is receiving it's finishing touches, I'd like to ask for some opinions on one crucial component. The starting value/amount... It can stay as $100 or the equivalent in BTC (a radio button to select your starting currency will be on the registration page), or I kind of like the idea of starting with 1 BTC or the USD equivalent at the time (again, your choice when registering). Other ideas are welcome.

Small update: This is moving right along. I've enlisted the help of a friend who knows his stuff to get the db up and running. Together we are aiming for a kickass paper trade experience. I hope it receives the type of response this game did when it first started. Smiley


Any fixed-amount for restart is subject to market behavior. Oversimplifying:

Use Case 1 - Bitcoin rallies 100x the day after the contest begins. Subsequent restarts are pointless, new investors have no chance if they were not in on day one.
Use Case 2 - Bitcoin plummets 100x the day after the contest begins. Nobody has incentive to retain their original position, and everyone restarts.

Both (extreme) cases highlight that the system is gameable, the ideal action regarding restarting is influenced heavily by past market behavior.  Look to the epoch of this game, and the period where the average investment was up. Anyone below their starting point has no penalty to just restart. Honest actors were thereby penalized.

I don't have an ideal solution, but I do think the following is less abusable.
The same rule holds for people new to the game, and those restarting (since we cannot really tell the difference).  Those investors begin with a balance equivalent to beginning somewhere between 66 and 75% down the ranked list of balances. (Maybe 66-75% of the AVERAGE() balance, whatever)

With such a rule I would be satisfied that hanging in there is always the right play, unless I have already knocked myself out of the upper half of competitors.  This would let people restart while never letting someone 'cheat' into a higher ranking.



I agree completely! The average would be added in sometime in the near future if I don't already have it in place on launch. I would like to give a day or a week of level playing field before putting into effect, but your arguments are sound. While we shouldn't expect that kind of move overnight, even 10% moves are big enough for latecomers to take their 1BTC or $572 without any skill and be near the top of the board. So I guess it could have a decay function so that as long as the price remains fairly consistent, everyone who registers during that stability would have the same starting value whether in BTC or USD, and not based on terrible or great trading of earlier entrants. Thank you for the input!
legendary
Activity: 2408
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Legen -wait for it- dary
As the site is receiving it's finishing touches, I'd like to ask for some opinions on one crucial component. The starting value/amount... It can stay as $100 or the equivalent in BTC (a radio button to select your starting currency will be on the registration page), or I kind of like the idea of starting with 1 BTC or the USD equivalent at the time (again, your choice when registering). Other ideas are welcome.

Small update: This is moving right along. I've enlisted the help of a friend who knows his stuff to get the db up and running. Together we are aiming for a kickass paper trade experience. I hope it receives the type of response this game did when it first started. Smiley


Awesome! Cant wait!

Would you mind answering the question in the first paragraph? Tongue
hero member
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As the site is receiving it's finishing touches, I'd like to ask for some opinions on one crucial component. The starting value/amount... It can stay as $100 or the equivalent in BTC (a radio button to select your starting currency will be on the registration page), or I kind of like the idea of starting with 1 BTC or the USD equivalent at the time (again, your choice when registering). Other ideas are welcome.

Small update: This is moving right along. I've enlisted the help of a friend who knows his stuff to get the db up and running. Together we are aiming for a kickass paper trade experience. I hope it receives the type of response this game did when it first started. Smiley


Any fixed-amount for restart is subject to market behavior. Oversimplifying:

Use Case 1 - Bitcoin rallies 100x the day after the contest begins. Subsequent restarts are pointless, new investors have no chance if they were not in on day one.
Use Case 2 - Bitcoin plummets 100x the day after the contest begins. Nobody has incentive to retain their original position, and everyone restarts.

Both (extreme) cases highlight that the system is gameable, the ideal action regarding restarting is influenced heavily by past market behavior.  Look to the epoch of this game, and the period where the average investment was up. Anyone below their starting point has no penalty to just restart. Honest actors were thereby penalized.

I don't have an ideal solution, but I do think the following is less abusable.
The same rule holds for people new to the game, and those restarting (since we cannot really tell the difference).  Those investors begin with a balance equivalent to beginning somewhere between 66 and 75% down the ranked list of balances. (Maybe 66-75% of the AVERAGE() balance, whatever)

With such a rule I would be satisfied that hanging in there is always the right play, unless I have already knocked myself out of the upper half of competitors.  This would let people restart while never letting someone 'cheat' into a higher ranking.

legendary
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alan watts is all you need
As the site is receiving it's finishing touches, I'd like to ask for some opinions on one crucial component. The starting value/amount... It can stay as $100 or the equivalent in BTC (a radio button to select your starting currency will be on the registration page), or I kind of like the idea of starting with 1 BTC or the USD equivalent at the time (again, your choice when registering). Other ideas are welcome.

Small update: This is moving right along. I've enlisted the help of a friend who knows his stuff to get the db up and running. Together we are aiming for a kickass paper trade experience. I hope it receives the type of response this game did when it first started. Smiley


Awesome! Cant wait!
legendary
Activity: 2408
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Legen -wait for it- dary
As the site is receiving it's finishing touches, I'd like to ask for some opinions on one crucial component. The starting value/amount... It can stay as $100 or the equivalent in BTC (a radio button to select your starting currency will be on the registration page), or I kind of like the idea of starting with 1 BTC or the USD equivalent at the time (again, your choice when registering). Other ideas are welcome.

Small update: This is moving right along. I've enlisted the help of a friend who knows his stuff to get the db up and running. Together we are aiming for a kickass paper trade experience. I hope it receives the type of response this game did when it first started. Smiley
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
Just a quick update..
I am still working on the simulator. It should be ready in a week or two. I had a lull for about two weeks that I had no time to code, but the last few days have been very productive. I hope to have it ready in the first week of September. I haven't decided yet if I will open it up as a test for a week or two to make sure everything works as expected or not. The testing I've done on xampp has been very promising so it may not be necessary. we'll see...

BTW, I lied about the no cookies part. I do have to have a session cookie for flow control, but it expires upon closing the browser, so whatever. It has .2% "fees" and a bit of js, so I hope no one is offended by some fluff on the UI. It makes it mo betta.
legendary
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SELL @653.48

BUY @ 541.43

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WE WILL UPDATE FOR LAST TIME (please)  Wink
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
I want in! I want to play

You are welcome to join once I get it finished. I have had very little time since I posted the sneak peek, so it's not much closer to completion atm, but I will continue to work on it and get it out asap.
legendary
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alan watts is all you need
legendary
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^ Will code for Bitcoins
Sneak peek!

Wow, you are fast!

Looking forward to moving the game to your platform.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
Sneak peek!


Values in "My Stats" are just for testing.
mouseover on the Trade button returns an estimated trade value, less fees based on current price
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
We need a restart

Nice to see I'm doing this good in forgotten game Wink

We need some site where trades can be automated, these late updates are killing all the interest for the game. Maybe if we gather some donations for the software someone can write quick PHP script to enter trades and display the leaderboard?

This is a good idea, and I'd be willing to write something up when I have some time over the next week or two.

Great! I have domain name with no current use to donate for the game, I've purchased http://cryptotrade.net/ long time ago and still have no plans what to do with it. If you want me to point it to the server your script is just say here or PM me.

I appreciate the offer, but I already had one for a few days now. I will post some screen shots to get players frothing when I'm back to my pc later. Smiley

I hope no one is too against a little javascript. It makes the UI a little more friendly and helpful.
legendary
Activity: 1974
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^ Will code for Bitcoins
We need a restart

Nice to see I'm doing this good in forgotten game Wink

We need some site where trades can be automated, these late updates are killing all the interest for the game. Maybe if we gather some donations for the software someone can write quick PHP script to enter trades and display the leaderboard?

This is a good idea, and I'd be willing to write something up when I have some time over the next week or two.

Great! I have domain name with no current use to donate for the game, I've purchased http://cryptotrade.net/ long time ago and still have no plans what to do with it. If you want me to point it to the server your script is just say here or PM me.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
Thanks! Feel free to post a tip address.

Also, 0.2% costs per trade sounds right (I don't know about futures market, but it's tough to spend less than that in Bitfinex/Kraken/Bitstamp.

This is the "donate" address that will be on the site to help pay for hosting/domain/time. 1KkdKRUcvYjPnhjdhTwocd8Mn9HhP7n4TP anything helps, thanks!

I was playing around with the test page last night and .2% seems adequate enough. If someone keeps hammering the trade button with no change to the index price, it is a noticeable change every time, and you will feel you did something you shouldn't Tongue
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Thanks! Feel free to post a tip address.

Also, 0.2% costs per trade sounds right (I don't know about futures market, but it's tough to spend less than that in Bitfinex/Kraken/Bitstamp.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
I have started writing a 100% automated version 2.0 of this game. I would like to get some input on a few changes I'd like to make.
  • Eliminate the 8 hours between trades which allows a more realistic capital management/preservation
  • Trade as often as you'd like. No manual updates means it no longer matters if there are hundreds of trades per week, but with a .1% "spread" fee per trade. This slows excessive trigger happiness.
  • It will be a stand alone site with score sheet, a near real time price (about 10 second updates), and trading right from the page with immediate calculations and additions.
  • New player would be able to see their name on the scoreboard within minutes if not immediately

This also eliminates the possibility of "cheating" caused by the removal of posted trades between updates.

No cookies and no emails needed, but that also means no PW retrieval. So don't forget it!!

Tell me what you think

That would be great! But .1% "spread fee" wouldn't slow my "excessive trigger happiness", maybe .2% for each buy and sell?

haha, well I'm open to this and other collaboration on a good "fee" so that it's not excessively high, but also deters some flipflopping.
legendary
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I have started writing a 100% automated version 2.0 of this game. I would like to get some input on a few changes I'd like to make.
  • Eliminate the 8 hours between trades which allows a more realistic capital management/preservation
  • Trade as often as you'd like. No manual updates means it no longer matters if there are hundreds of trades per week, but with a .1% "spread" fee per trade. This slows excessive trigger happiness.
  • It will be a stand alone site with score sheet, a near real time price (about 10 second updates), and trading right from the page with immediate calculations and additions.
  • New player would be able to see their name on the scoreboard within minutes if not immediately

This also eliminates the possibility of "cheating" caused by the removal of posted trades between updates.

No cookies and no emails needed, but that also means no PW retrieval. So don't forget it!!

Tell me what you think

That would be great! But .1% "spread fee" wouldn't slow my "excessive trigger happiness", maybe .2% for each buy and sell?
legendary
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I have started writing a 100% automated version 2.0 of this game. I would like to get some input on a few changes I'd like to make.
  • Eliminate the 8 hours between trades which allows a more realistic capital management/preservation
  • Trade as often as you'd like. No manual updates means it no longer matters if there are hundreds of trades per week, but with a .1% "spread" fee per trade. This slows excessive trigger happiness.
  • It will be a stand alone site with score sheet, a near real time price (about 10 second updates), and trading right from the page with immediate calculations and additions.
  • New player would be able to see their name on the scoreboard within minutes if not immediately

This also eliminates the possibility of "cheating" caused by the removal of posted trades between updates.

No cookies and no emails needed, but that also means no PW retrieval. So don't forget it!!

Tell me what you think

Sounds great! This would be a huge improvement to this game.
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