Transgenders are not allowed to serve the military.

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Quote from: olubams on August 29, 2017, 04:19:32 AM

I don't understand how rigorous the training of the military is but if their body can take it, I don't see reason they should be denied to serve their country aside the issue of health because as a result of the medical conversion of their bodies, it might caused them some things to sustain them then they should be disallowed. However, its not necessary that they face combat so they can be deployed to other administrative units of the military instead of shutting them out.

If I am the one who will give orders, I will allow the transgender people to join the military force. Everyone can join the military as long as you are willing to serve and protect your country from all the terrorist that is relevant now in our world. Unlike the other people who join the military force but they are not doing anything to serve, they should be the one to get fired and lost their job. We should treat all people equal to prevent problems.

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I don't understand how rigorous the training of the military is but if their body can take it, I don't see reason they should be denied to serve their country aside the issue of health because as a result of the medical conversion of their bodies, it might caused them some things to sustain them then they should be disallowed. However, its not necessary that they face combat so they can be deployed to other administrative units of the military instead of shutting them out.

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I consider this prohibition to be correct. Transgender people can not fully serve in the army because they can not determine what gender they are and no one can guarantee that during their service they will not have mental disorders.

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Even though they are already being accepted or considered as the third generation gender, or this so called gender equality, I still think they are not appropriate to join the military force, i just guess. In their community also some of them are willing and wanting to join military force, but what else can we do if the president already decided that, its not that they are being rejected or neglected, they just need to respect that decision just like how we respect them also.

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Everybody has the right to serve and protect their country, no one can take that away from a person just because of this issue. Everybody is created equal with the same rights, taking it away from them is just unfair!

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Quote from: Rhosadah on August 27, 2017, 08:41:46 PM

The despair made by the American president is very precise with not allowing his transgender to be in a military position and must be cleansed of undesirable behavior

He is right when he said that the defense fund should not be used to reimburse sex-change surgeries for the trans-sexuals. If the trannies want to have sex-change operations, then they should spend money out of their own pocket.

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This is sad, a human should not be judge on how he/she capable on serving the country based on their sexual preferences. Sexual preference doesn't define how good and capable of a human being on a certain aspect - so there are transgenders who wants to serve on it's country so let it be. A country should be grateful that there are people willing to sacrifice their lives for their country.

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Quote from: neya on August 27, 2017, 04:30:58 PM

i agree on it. because for me transgender had a lot of surgery done in their body. and we dont know if time come that will be a problem to them while they do their duties. but maybe other LGBT has right they dont undergo in any surgery and if they are physically fit.

Same can be said for anyone in the armed forces. They may have gone under thr lle knife but that doesn't make them any less than those people who want to serve their country. People would have to sacrifice a lot of things to be in the military and i think what's important is their willingness to serve.

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The despair made by the American president is very precise with not allowing his transgender to be in a military position and must be cleansed of undesirable behavior

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i agree on it. because for me transgender had a lot of surgery done in their body. and we dont know if time come that will be a problem to them while they do their duties. but maybe other LGBT has right they dont undergo in any surgery and if they are physically fit.

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Quote from: chixka000 on August 27, 2017, 11:47:32 AM

Quote from: malikusama on August 01, 2017, 12:49:09 AM

I appreciate the decision because army needs proper fitness without any hurdles, transgenders may have many complexities in their living which can make the authorities to spend extra money and effort on them.

You have a great point, Transgenders may somehow tend to have a lot of limitation because of the surgeries that they've undergo. I guess that this rule was just limited to transgenders right? now not all the LGBT? because if so then it is quite unfair because there are actually strong Gays or LEsbians

That's correct, it is strictly about transgender meaning surgical sex change, and whether that is a "right" and whether the military should accept those who have such surgeries.

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Quote from: malikusama on August 01, 2017, 12:49:09 AM

I appreciate the decision because army needs proper fitness without any hurdles, transgenders may have many complexities in their living which can make the authorities to spend extra money and effort on them.

You have a great point, Transgenders may somehow tend to have a lot of limitation because of the surgeries that they've undergo. I guess that this rule was just limited to transgenders right? now not all the LGBT? because if so then it is quite unfair because there are actually strong Gays or LEsbians

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Quote from: GreenBits on August 27, 2017, 10:45:23 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2017, 06:48:43 AM

Quote from: joebrook on August 25, 2017, 05:43:39 PM

he has also banned the Department of Defense from using its resources to provide medical treatment for transgender individuals currently serving in the military

The Army funds must be spent on the medical treatment of the veterans who were maimed and injured in places such as Iraq and Afghanistan. These funds should not be wasted on sex-change surgeries (i.e. medical treatment for transgenders, as they call it).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/?utm_term=.0084859eb469

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Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.

The study didn't include estimates of these costs for reservists, because of their “highly limited military health care eligibility.” It also didn't include estimates for retirees or military family members, because many of those individuals may also have “limited eligibility” for care via military treatment facilities.

“The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,” Rand's authors concluded.

By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers.

The facts are that there are so few transgender folks in the military; that if you gave them golden assholes, it still wouldnt amount to a whole lot. Meanwhile, I pay taxes so that other folks in the military can get dick pills. My dick, works amazing. So I would rather the money be spent on more meatshields, more boots on the ground, rather than supporting someone having a fucking erection. Other poster, you are right. It is not a right to serve your country, it is a duty. Sad is the day when ideology prevents a patriotic citizen from doing just that.

Meh. Thats them changes.

Lying with statistics are we? Comparing the cost of hundreds of thousands of Viagra prescriptions with a few hundred or a thousand trying to get a free ride on the sex change?

How about the cost per person?

How about including non active duty?

How about the fact that transexual isn't a medical disease? Should medical cover anything you want, not just diseases?

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Quote from: SugoiSenpai on August 27, 2017, 04:02:52 AM

Honestly it is no problem for me. Transgenders also have their rights to serve the military, for as long as they stay professional and do their work properly.

They are good only in show business, but for service in the army are unsuitable because they have a mental disorder with the inability to determine their gender and a greater propensity to suicide. Today they protect the country, and tomorrow they can go over to the side of the enemy as easily as they have changed their sexual organ.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2017, 06:48:43 AM

Quote from: joebrook on August 25, 2017, 05:43:39 PM

he has also banned the Department of Defense from using its resources to provide medical treatment for transgender individuals currently serving in the military

The Army funds must be spent on the medical treatment of the veterans who were maimed and injured in places such as Iraq and Afghanistan. These funds should not be wasted on sex-change surgeries (i.e. medical treatment for transgenders, as they call it).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/?utm_term=.0084859eb469

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Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.

The study didn't include estimates of these costs for reservists, because of their “highly limited military health care eligibility.” It also didn't include estimates for retirees or military family members, because many of those individuals may also have “limited eligibility” for care via military treatment facilities.

“The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,” Rand's authors concluded.

By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers.

The facts are that there are so few transgender folks in the military; that if you gave them golden assholes, it still wouldnt amount to a whole lot. Meanwhile, I pay taxes so that other folks in the military can get dick pills. My dick, works amazing. So I would rather the money be spent on more meatshields, more boots on the ground, rather than supporting someone having a fucking erection. Other poster, you are right. It is not a right to serve your country, it is a duty. Sad is the day when ideology prevents a patriotic citizen from doing just that.

Meh. Thats them changes.

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Quote from: SugoiSenpai on August 27, 2017, 04:02:52 AM

Honestly it is no problem for me. Transgenders also have their rights to serve the military, for as long as they stay professional and do their work properly.

The title of this thread is the opposite of your statement, male transgender will not be able to resemble the true man's power.

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Quote from: Kakawate on August 27, 2017, 02:37:32 AM

That's just wrong, nobody can take away the will of somebody to stand up and fight and serve for his or her country. For someone who loves his country, taking away this privilege is really something. I believe that many of our brothers and sisters who are transgenders are ready to serve their country, and I believe that they should not be robbed of their rights.

It isn't a right to serve in the armed forces, and never has been.

What Trump has done is simply to return to the rules that were in effect before Obama changed them.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/07/27/how-many-transgender-people-currently-serve-in-the-u-s-military/

the Associated Press reported on 23 June 2017 that 250 service members have already begun the process of transitioning to the gender they identify with after the ban on their open service was lifted in 2016

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Honestly it is no problem for me. Transgenders also have their rights to serve the military, for as long as they stay professional and do their work properly.

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I think this is the right decision, because transgender people are very prone to suicides and can not understand what kind of sex they are. They have no place in the army.

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That's just wrong, nobody can take away the will of somebody to stand up and fight and serve for his or her country. For someone who loves his country, taking away this privilege is really something. I believe that many of our brothers and sisters who are transgenders are ready to serve their country, and I believe that they should not be robbed of their rights.

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