Topic: Trezor Safe 3 New Hardware Wallet - page 5. (Read 1793 times)

Nice catch.
I think they are cleaning up code for all devices and they are removing some less popular shitcoins.
I really don't care about eos, bitcoingold, dash, decreed, etc. but for someone this may be more important.

I am not sure about TropicSquare chip that should be released in 2025 or 2026, but they are using Infineon Optiga Trust M secure element in new Trezor 3 Safe, and that has MIT open source license.

I just want to clarify the claims that future Trezor models will have "open source secure elements" made by TropicSquare:

https://twitter.com/zachherbert/status/1712503156721029490

Slush replied to my tweet confirming:
https://twitter.com/slush/status/1712552686342779354

Not to rain on everyone's open source parade, but all the TropicSquare chip will be is a partially open source secure element, with elements of the chip still black-box due to closed source foundry PDKs with foundry NDAs.

Even though it supports Monero and a few other cryptocurrencies that were missing on the Model One, for some reason it doesn't support some of them that were available on the older model ^{[a bit weird]}: Dropped list

I haven't looked at other manufacturers to see their setup ^{[e.g. NDAs etc...]} for this particular thing, but perhaps it's not as bad as it looks:

• Quote from: Eternad on October 12, 2023, 11:21:03 AM
  I just hope that they improve the screen durability. My last trezor suffer a small dot burnt on the screen until it got covered the whole screen to make it not visible already.
  
  Considering that they're still using an OLED display ^{["a new one"]} on the Safe 3, the LCD panel on your Model T is probably more durable than that ^{[unfortunately]}!
  

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  ^{BTW, "this subreddit thread" might come in handy to those who are interested in reading more about their SE.}

This means that the day when Model One becomes a thing of the past has arrived today.

Now everything is clear with this Trezor Safe 3: this is a replacement for Model One, which, it seems, will be removed from sales (and production).


Here, I was undoubtedly mistaken, because if Safe 3 had been produced as a replacement for Model T, then the price could have cost something like this, but as an alternative to Model One - $79 - a very reasonable price for a device, with an updated protective element (this is the most important thing) + updated design (admit it, a slightly larger display is great) + cosmetic little things in the form of color choice (it's nice to see the possibility of a little customization).


Indeed, the name is a little boring, but you have to put up with it. I was hoping to see some letter in the name, like Model T style (Model S, Model S3?).

It seems that Trezor is just great and is doing everything right. It looks like a successful promotion and I’m sure their sales will be fine. But the time for New Year's shopping is approaching. At least they didn’t have serious f@ck up's like their closest, well-promoted competitor.

Who has already pre-ordered?

Screen is much more realiable than on ledger devices, but I think they changed the screen model in Trezor 3.
It would be much better if they added bigger screen, but I am waiting to see first tests and reviews to say more about this device and screen.

I wrote about it in my previous posts.
This is NOT upgrade if you already own Trezor T, unless if you want to pay $79 for secure element or for device collectibles item

I just hope that they improve the screen durability. My last trezor suffer a small dot burnt on the screen until it got covered the whole screen to make it not visible already.

Is there any noticeable feature improvement on this version that is worthy to upgrade my Trezor Model T? This hardware industry is like gadgets now that keep releasing new version with just a little bit feature improvements. Next time we have pro max version for the screen. 

Yeah, it's available in this BitcoinTakeover podcast, but you can also find short clips on bitcoin takeover website.
I heard them announcing this before, but they said they will continue posting firmware updates.
https://bitcoin-takeover.com/s14-e3-matej-zak-on-trezors-new-hardware/

Than I would say Foundation Passport is probably better Bitcoin only option for hardware wallet, but you will have to wait for delivery from US, customs and you will have to give your personal information online.
I am more for something that can be purchased locally for cash without records of me doing it, especially if it's connected with bitcoin.
For people who want to have hardware wallet with Monero support, Trezor 3 is one of the better and cheaper options... I am sure not going to buy Trezor T for over $200.

Since their previous models are available on Croatian market, I have no doubts that Trezor Model 3 will be available too. Regarding money, I have no problems giving few hundreds of dollars if that means I will sleep better (which I should with a more secure device).


Ah I see, I don't know why how I saw seed phrase instead passphrase. Anyway, its still unnecessary risk if its true.

Is this announced anywhere? Sorry for jumping in, I just have a trezor wallet since 2019 and I don't use it anymore, but I am curious to know.

I am following this subject for years and I know for a fact they researched and examined all available secure elements, so one they are offering now in Trezor 3 is probably best we have in the market now.
Many people including me wanted to see something like this so I don't see any problem with this, and 2 years will fly very fast, Trezor One will be retired and not available anymore.

Do you have any link with more information about this staying the same like in model One?
I know Trezor T uses entering on device, so it should not be such a hard thing to add this in Trezor 3.

Not seed phrase - passphrase.

The seed phrase will still be generated or imported on the device itself, but with Trezor One (unlike most other hardware wallets), any additional passphrase is entered on to the Trezor Suite software on the computer you are attached to, and not in to the hardware wallet itself. Obviously entering a passphrase in to a computer with an internet connection makes it very insecure, so potentially still having to do this on a brand new hardware wallet released in 2023 (when other hardware wallets haven't been doing this for years) would be very poor. There's no confirmation of this yet, though.

Edit: I've since noticed on this page (https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) that it says "device-entry passphrase", so at least that particular attack vector seems to have been removed.

There are multiple other reasons I wouldn't pick a Trezor though, even this new model or the other new model they are going to release.

Sure, but they have spent years telling everyone how not only do we not need secure elements, but that closed source secure elements can actually increase your risk. And now they implement it and call it ground breaking, as if everyone else hasn't been doing it for years already.

Trezor 3 Safe is a boring name, I expected something more exotic but in reality it is just upgraded Trezor model One, and maybe that is not such a bad thing.

Trezor added usb-c connection, instead of old micro-usb used on model One, and they added EAL6+ Secure Element, but I can't find information what exact model they are using and it's OPTIGA Trust M.
I also don't know what main processor they are using for Trezor 3, but it should support Monero coin, unlike Trezor One, so it's probably similar like processor from Trezor model T.

Price for Trezor 3 is $79 and I think that is not bad, but don't expect to have bigger screen with Trezor 3, it's the same size as in Trezor One.
If you don't own hardware wallet this would be a solid entry point that will stay updated well after Trezor One gets retired.
Trezor 3 is in a sense just replacement for Model One.

They literally had to make compromise, when they realized how hard is to make their own open source secure element, that is coming out in 2 years.
I won't critize Trezor for this new device, it's just refreshed model One, but we already spoke they need to do this long time ago.
Only thing they could add is bigger screen and small camera for airgapp support, but than price would be higher than $79.

Jade doesn't have secure element, they have centralized server  

Thanks! This is interesting.
I was looking on their website and I couldn't find what SE model they are using.
It was OPTIGA Trust M secure element, and only hardware wallet that is using secure element from this manufacturer is Keevo, that is using Infineon Optiga Trust-P.

Trezor 3 is much better than ledger and old Trezor One, and maybe you can even buy it locally.
You don't have much options elsewhere for this price  

Marketing stunt, nothing strange with making limited editions.


So if you want to import seedphrase, you have do it on the computer and not directly on Trezor device itself? If that is true (can someone please confirm it?), why would anyone in their right mind use them as it looks incredibly risky and something I would never do and I thought that no HW do that anymore.

I was looking forward to new Trezor models as I've been on the lookout for a new HW but if what you are saying is true, then I have to look elsewhere.

Someone asked whether the SE is open source or not. The answer was:


https://twitter.com/Trezor/status/1712469783281848515

Blockstream Jade has all that and costs less 

Note that the secure element is not open source. It's just a regular secure element. Pretty funny coming from the company that spent the best part of the last 10 years saying how closed source secure elements are a security risk and secure elements are unnecessary, while sweeping under the rug their unfixable seed extraction vulnerability.

It also isn't airgapped and still needs connected to the computer with a USB cable, and it also seems like you still have to enter any passphrase on the computer and not on the device itself, which remains a large security risk.

So all in all, this just looks like a rebranded Trezor One. Pretty disappointing to be honest, and still far behind some other hardware wallets on the market.

Trezor presented the brand new hardware wallet 'Trezor Safe 3' yesterday at the start of the Bitcoin amsterdam conference. the new hw-wallet now has a secure element for the first time, and is thus catching up with competing products such as the BitBox02 or the products from Ledger. particularly noteworthy is the strict focus on open source.
a Bitcoin-only version of the new hardware wallet will also be available. initially, this will be available as a limited edition alongside the regular version, with a chic orange back and the imprint "∞/21M". according to the manufacturer, the price of the safe 3 will be €79.
we'll have to wait and see how the new Trezor Safe 3 performs on the market.

So I was partially right. But why a limited edition? I think a bitcoin-only wallet would grant them higher revenue.

So, it's live[1]. Here's what they released:

- Brand new wallet (Trezor Safe wallet 3) with secure element + more supported cryptocurrencies, as well as OLED screen: https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3
- Metal backup for your seedphrase
- And a limited edition bitcoin-only wallet.

If you can't access the link above, it's due to high traffic.

[1] https://decrypt.co/201014/trezor-launches-new-hardware-wallets-metal-seed-backup-crypto-beginners

Seems like Gen-Z or strawberry generation when hearing that name. In my guess, they just changed the body design into metal and not in its entirety changed the software. The feature you mentioned (air-gapped transactions and bitcoin-only firmware) is already had on all trezor (model one and T)

When I look image vaguely, that looks vape to me.