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Quote from: apogio on November 04, 2023, 04:01:54 AM

Has anybody bought the bitcoin only limited edition? I am curious to hear a review about it. I think the will start being shipped soon so when anyone receives it, let us know your thoughts.

It's the same like regular version of Trezor 3, and as far as I heard only difference is bitcoin-only firmware and different back plate color/design.
I talked with Trezor team about releasing .stl files for case, that would be cool for DIY projects, but they won't release them in public this time. Tongue

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Quote from: apogio on November 04, 2023, 04:01:54 AM

Has anybody bought the bitcoin only limited edition? I am curious to hear a review about it.

Or a review for the universal model for that matter. They are the same wallets with identical hardware powering them. The only difference is in the design of the back cover.

Quote from: apogio on November 04, 2023, 04:01:54 AM

I think the will start being shipped soon so when anyone receives it, let us know your thoughts.

As I said in my previous post and after watching the Trezor Q&A:

Quote from: Pmalek on November 03, 2023, 12:19:33 PM

They confirmed that they are planning to ship the Trezor Safe 3 preorders mid-November.

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Has anybody bought the bitcoin only limited edition? I am curious to hear a review about it. I think the will start being shipped soon so when anyone receives it, let us know your thoughts.

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The Trezor team released a Q&A a few days ago where they answered several common questions about the new Trezor Safe 3. Nothing spectacular or revealing there, but you can check it out at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yok2uANTFg if you are interested. They briefly mention the new secure element and support for 12/24-word seeds. They confirmed that they are planning to ship the Trezor Safe 3 preorders mid-November. So everything is moving according to plan.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 30, 2023, 11:39:54 AM

Quote from: m2017 on October 29, 2023, 08:53:38 AM

How do you know this for sure? If I were a malefactor, I would do exactly that. Every buyer of hardware wallets probably has some money in their wallet, but a $5 wrench will tell you exactly how much.

Who are you protecting yourself from exactly? The person behind the counter and everyone else working in the shop where you buy your hardware wallet or someone who might hack or gain access to the security camera footage recording you as you are purchasing your device? Perhaps it's both.

I agree with you. In this case, both options are possible, each of which can pose a threat.

Perhaps should protect yourself from everyone or have you forgotten the law of the jungle? There will always be people who want easy money, especially when the victim makes their task easier.

Quote from: Pmalek on October 30, 2023, 11:39:54 AM

Here is some more food for thought for the paranoid. If you park your personal car in front or close to the shop, those malefactors you spoke about can take note of your license plate as you leave the shop with your new hardware wallet.

I didn’t think of this myself. Paranoid people should take note of this, in case it comes in handy for someone. Also, paranoid people should not take their phone with them, so as not to be tracked (not identified) by the cellular signal. When various technical devices surround at every turn, the risk of screwing up only increases. I don't impose this point of view. Let everyone make a choice according to their convictions.

A little off topic: Do you know what kind of paranoia Hemingway had all his life? But over time it was confirmed that he was right, and not at all paranoid.

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Quote from: m2017 on October 29, 2023, 08:53:38 AM

How do you know this for sure? If I were a malefactor, I would do exactly that. Every buyer of hardware wallets probably has some money in their wallet, but a $5 wrench will tell you exactly how much.

Who are you protecting yourself from exactly? The person behind the counter and everyone else working in the shop where you buy your hardware wallet or someone who might hack or gain access to the security camera footage recording you as you are purchasing your device? Perhaps it's both.

Here is some more food for thought for the paranoid. If you park your personal car in front or close to the shop, those malefactors you spoke about can take note of your license plate as you leave the shop with your new hardware wallet.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 29, 2023, 03:16:10 AM

That's being way too paranoid than what is a healthy dosage. If you start thinking like that, you will never walk into a bank to take cash from your account or use an ATM because those have cameras as well.

This is completely different and should not be compared. The bank already has all the detailed information about you, your account, balance and transactions, as well as scans of your ID documents, biometrics. Banking cameras are the least evil that lives there.

In the case of cryptocurrencies and HW devices, no one knows who you are, what you have in your wallet and in what quantity, until you yourself “leak” information about it somewhere. By leaving any “strings” for your identification, be it a photo on a camera, you leave a loophole for the “vector” of attack. Let everyone determine the degree of their paranoia, because the consequences will only affect them.

Quote from: Pmalek on October 29, 2023, 03:16:10 AM

You are not leaving digital traces if you purchase from a shop in person. You are not filling out an online form with your private information and leave details about your financial data. You are also not revealing your address and where you live. All that gets saved in a central database that can be hacked and leaked online as we have seen many time. CCTV camera footage can also leak, but no one is going to sit there analyzing who bought what and be on the lookout for hardware wallet buyers to try identify and target them.

How do you know this for sure? If I were a malefactor, I would do exactly that. Every buyer of hardware wallets probably has some money in their wallet, but a $5 wrench will tell you exactly how much.

While trying not to leave your traces when purchasing online, we must not forget about the possible traces left behind offline. Offline purchases are not a 100% solution to this problem, that’s all.

Quote from: philipma1957 on October 28, 2023, 05:34:48 PM

if you wear a covid mask and a baseball cap gloves and black sweatpants with black boots and walk out of the store get in a bike and into a location without cameras . you would likely be okay.

As are the times, so are the ways to protect your privacy.

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Quote from: m2017 on October 28, 2023, 09:15:45 AM

How does a cash purchase leave no trace or personal information? What about the CCTV cameras installed in stores and resellers? In the same way, hidden or high-definition cameras can be installed at the cash registers and then, based on the photo of the person, they will find a way to find the owner of the hardware wallet device. Can’t be as confident as possible in privacy in the age of high technology.

That's being way too paranoid than what is a healthy dosage. If you start thinking like that, you will never walk into a bank to take cash from your account or use an ATM because those have cameras as well.

You are not leaving digital traces if you purchase from a shop in person. You are not filling out an online form with your private information and leave details about your financial data. You are also not revealing your address and where you live. All that gets saved in a central database that can be hacked and leaked online as we have seen many time. CCTV camera footage can also leak, but no one is going to sit there analyzing who bought what and be on the lookout for hardware wallet buyers to try identify and target them.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 28, 2023, 02:41:26 AM

Everyone watch out from any emails coming from Trezor or similar sources!
There are some news about new Trezor Phishing scam campaign, and there is a chance trezor database was breached, but they are investigating this.

"According to Trezor’s brand ambassador, Josef Tetek, the firm is aware of the ongoing phishing campaign and is actively looking into it." mentioned in the article, but why haven't they informed their users about this possible phishing threat yet? And this is done by anonymous blockchain sleuth ZachXBT.

Quote from: dkbit98 on October 28, 2023, 02:41:26 AM

This is exactly why I prefer purchasing any devices, especially hardware wallets locally with cash, this leaves almost zero traces or with personal information.

How does a cash purchase leave no trace or personal information? What about the CCTV cameras installed in stores and resellers? In the same way, hidden or high-definition cameras can be installed at the cash registers and then, based on the photo of the person, they will find a way to find the owner of the hardware wallet device. Can’t be as confident as possible in privacy in the age of high technology.

Also, it is not always possible to buy a hardware wallet device in your location and then you will inevitably have to buy online. In this case, it is better to act as the hero of this story in the article and register a separate email address for purchase from manufacturer (Trezor, for example), which you should not use anywhere else and never open emails from this email in order to avoid phishing emails. Only if you don't make a purchase from Trezor and don't confirm this action.

if you wear a covid mask and a baseball cap gloves and black sweatpants with black boots and walk out of the store get in a bike and into a location without cameras . you would likely be okay.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 28, 2023, 02:41:26 AM

Everyone watch out from any emails coming from Trezor or similar sources!
There are some news about new Trezor Phishing scam campaign, and there is a chance trezor database was breached, but they are investigating this.

"According to Trezor’s brand ambassador, Josef Tetek, the firm is aware of the ongoing phishing campaign and is actively looking into it." mentioned in the article, but why haven't they informed their users about this possible phishing threat yet? And this is done by anonymous blockchain sleuth ZachXBT.

Quote from: dkbit98 on October 28, 2023, 02:41:26 AM

This is exactly why I prefer purchasing any devices, especially hardware wallets locally with cash, this leaves almost zero traces or with personal information.

How does a cash purchase leave no trace or personal information? What about the CCTV cameras installed in stores and resellers? In the same way, hidden or high-definition cameras can be installed at the cash registers and then, based on the photo of the person, they will find a way to find the owner of the hardware wallet device. Can’t be as confident as possible in privacy in the age of high technology.

Also, it is not always possible to buy a hardware wallet device in your location and then you will inevitably have to buy online. In this case, it is better to act as the hero of this story in the article and register a separate email address for purchase from manufacturer (Trezor, for example), which you should not use anywhere else and never open emails from this email in order to avoid phishing emails. Only if you don't make a purchase from Trezor and don't confirm this action.

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Quote from: SFR10 on October 27, 2023, 09:23:21 AM

This may sound weird, but I like this kind of packaging more since we no longer have to literally destroy the box in order to get to the HW itself...

Yeah I agree, it looks much better.

Quote from: SFR10 on October 27, 2023, 09:23:21 AM

Having said that, I didn't like how they wrapped their devices with sticky paper that left glue residue in the crevices ^{[the back cover of the Model One was better]}.
^{- I also have mixed feelings about the tamper-evident seal on the device since it gives a false sense of security!}

I didn't notice that about sticky paper, but tamper evident seal is just a security theater, always has been, and it's not that hard to replicate them.

Everyone watch out from any emails coming from Trezor or similar sources!
There are some news about new Trezor Phishing scam campaign, and there is a chance trezor database was breached, but they are investigating this.
This is exactly why I prefer purchasing any devices, especially hardware wallets locally with cash, this leaves almost zero traces or with personal information.

Article about this incident:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/trezor-investigates-new-phishing

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 26, 2023, 08:27:41 AM

Packaging is different compared to older version of hardware wallet,

This may sound weird, but I like this kind of packaging more since we no longer have to literally destroy the box in order to get to the HW itself... Having said that, I didn't like how they wrapped their devices with sticky paper that left glue residue in the crevices ^{[the back cover of the Model One was better]}.
^{- I also have mixed feelings about the tamper-evident seal on the device since it gives a false sense of security!}

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First reviews for new Trezor 3 Safe hardware wallet are slowly coming out, and first one I saw was from Decrypt.
Trezor uses brushed aluminum in Trezor 3 back side but it has small flaws in design of rough finish, so it doesn't really have that premium look and feel, but maybe this the case only for review units.
Packaging is different compared to older version of hardware wallet, but setting up wallet is very similar like before.

https://decrypt.co/202808/trezor-safe-3-review-hardware-wallet-bitcoin-newcomers

From latest reply received from Trezor I found out that Trezor won't be releasing .stl files for 3d printing, like they did for older models One and T.
I am a bit disappointed about this, but Trezor said they want to avoid easy cloning of their devices, as if that will prevent anyone from doing this.
I hope we are going to see someone scanning and releasing community made stl version for creating DIY Trezor 3.

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Quote from: lyw123 on October 20, 2023, 04:53:20 AM

Yes, the high probability is that the users' own errors. Getting professionals' opinions make newbies like me feel ease.

Sure just make sure to choose carefully who you trust.

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Quote from: lyw123 on October 20, 2023, 04:53:20 AM

I am not a professional, but I believe that there is no problem for Trezor firmware and Trezor Suite, only the hardware itself may have problems. If a backdoor is left on a small amount of hardware, ordinary users and professionals cannot detect it.

You have said yourself that you are a newbie, so what are you basing your assumptions on? Simple believing it isn't enough.

Quote from: SFR10 on October 20, 2023, 09:22:38 AM

They released four different backplates... Apart from the cosmic black, you can choose the stellar silver and solar gold as well.

Yes, you are correct. The universal model comes with 4 different back covers. You forgot to mention the pink one as well. So, the total count is 5 back covers, 4 for the Universal model and the orange one for the Bitcoin-only Trezor.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 15, 2023, 11:15:35 AM

and if you want to change back to the other, then you have to erase the device and start over.

You're not required to erase your device, but it's best to use it with a new set of seed phrases ^{[and a passphrase]}.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 15, 2023, 11:15:35 AM

in the older devices it is firm ware, but the firmware can still be changed back and forth, no?

Yes, and it takes around a minute to complete: Firmware switching

Quote from: tenant48 on October 16, 2023, 02:25:35 AM

The process for installing Bitcoin-only firmware is different from installing regular firmware. You must first download the firmware only for Bitcoin to your computer, here are the installation instructions:
https://blog.trezor.io/sources-say-orange-coin-good-new-bitcoin-only-firmware-now-available-47be0b611a4d

There's an easier way that's been around for more than a year: Trezor Suite added an "easy" way to "directly" install Bitcoin-only firmware

Quote from: Pmalek on October 19, 2023, 11:01:01 AM

Trezor released two different cases. The universal model is black, front and back.

They released four different backplates... Apart from the cosmic black, you can choose the stellar silver and solar gold as well.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 20, 2023, 12:35:44 AM

we've also seen countless users on this forum make posts blaming their hardware wallet for the funds being stolen, and it almost always turns out to be a mistake the user has made instead (such as storing their seed phrase in their emails).

I have carefully reviewed the stolen comments and have difficulty to confirm the true reason. I am not a professional, but I believe that there is no problem for Trezor firmware and Trezor Suite, only the hardware itself may have problems. If a backdoor is left on a small amount of hardware, ordinary users and professionals cannot detect it. Of course, if the Trezor firmware can effectively eliminate the harm of fake hardware wallets, then it can only be users' errors.

Quote from: satscraper on October 20, 2023, 01:48:20 AM

You can even raise the more general concern. Is it possible that there is a bad entity (located, let's say, in China) outside Trezor company that produces counterfeits of wallets? I would not answered negatively. Even if such company doesn't exist today it can appear tomorrow. Thus, it is always better to buy the stuff directly from brand.

It is fact that there are many cheaters in China. I bought two Trezor One from the Trezor official website, and another two from the Trezor store on Amazon.

Quote from: apogio on October 20, 2023, 02:58:54 AM

It all comes down to us after all. I have also lost a small amount of money from a hot wallet I owned: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-thought-i-would-never-get-hacked-5461230 . Personally I had made a ton of mistakes, so...

Yes, the high probability is that the users' own errors. Getting professionals' opinions make newbies like me feel ease. o_ e_ l_ e_o said:"Just one incident can wipe me out." It's better to be cautious.

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Quote from: lyw123 on October 19, 2023, 10:22:10 PM

The theft of the Trezor hardware wallet is the most serious. Is it possible that there is a bad man inside the Trezor company who left a backdoor in the manufacturing process of a small number of wallets? And the genuine firmware of Trezor and Trezor Suite did not recognize it?

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 20, 2023, 12:35:44 AM

In terms of the "stolen" reviews you have found - do any of them actually provide any details? It is easy for a competitor to post fake reviews, and we've also seen countless users on this forum make posts blaming their hardware wallet for the funds being stolen, and it almost always turns out to be a mistake the user has made instead (such as storing their seed phrase in their emails). I wouldn't pick a Trezor device for many reasons, their anti-privacy and pro-censorship stance being the main one, but I also doubt any of these "stolen" reviews are true.

Well I have heard rumours about Trezor funds being stolen. I have heard of someone who claimed money loss but he had forgotten his passphrase. This means that it wasn't due to the company. Here is another example of this situation: https://www.reddit.com/r/TREZOR/comments/sfpotu/lost_passphrase/

Let's say that a company ABC produces a HW and you buy it and use it. After a month, you lose an amount of BTC. In my opinion, chances are almost 100% that it is a user mistake, provided of course that the HW and the company ABC is reputable and trusted, and provided that you have bought it straight from the company and not from a reseller.

It all comes down to us after all. I have also lost a small amount of money from a hot wallet I owned: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-thought-i-would-never-get-hacked-5461230 . Personally I had made a ton of mistakes, so...

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Quote from: lyw123 on October 19, 2023, 10:22:10 PM

Is it possible that there is a bad man inside the Trezor company who left a backdoor in the manufacturing process of a small number of wallets?

You can even raise the more general concern. Is it possible that there is a bad entity (located, let's say, in China) outside Trezor company that produces counterfeits of wallets? I would not answered negatively. Even if such company doesn't exist today it can appear tomorrow. Thus, it is always better to buy the stuff directly from brand.

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Quote from: lyw123 on October 19, 2023, 10:22:10 PM

Is it possible that there is a bad man inside the Trezor company who left a backdoor in the manufacturing process of a small number of wallets?

Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? Definitely not.

Trezor is open source, so if there was something shady in the code you would hope (but can't guarantee) that someone in the community would have picked it up and publicized it. If you aren't able to examine the entire source code yourself, then this is the best you can hope for.

In terms of the "stolen" reviews you have found - do any of them actually provide any details? It is easy for a competitor to post fake reviews, and we've also seen countless users on this forum make posts blaming their hardware wallet for the funds being stolen, and it almost always turns out to be a mistake the user has made instead (such as storing their seed phrase in their emails). I wouldn't pick a Trezor device for many reasons, their anti-privacy and pro-censorship stance being the main one, but I also doubt any of these "stolen" reviews are true.

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