Topic: Troleybüs/Eal F. Skillz/Pandacoin (Read 5563 times)

Just for the record, if a staff member has alt accounts that aren't known to the public then how would you know not to trust them.  Seems like one of these--- I don't like what I see when I look in the mirror with my eyes closed ---kinda paradoxes.

Just a thought, but couldnt you leave a neutral rating in turkish (or even better in turkish and english) for this? That would allow you to keep your local customs about the use of the trust system without causing confusion in the international section.

I also removed my feedback after speaking to him.

Feedback removed, Eal has explained the situation and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Have a great day guys.

I want to say a few things about trust system abuse issue:

First of all, I don't think giving positive trust to people who you know in your real life. Here's the Türkish point of view about this:
Giving positive trust to someone without any reference means "If this guy scams you I'll pay for him".
Also it means: "if you trust me you can trust him too".

I think those feedbacks were given for Turkish Marketplace not for all Forum. (There're lots of rules and regulations in Turkey about international shopping, there're lots of taxes etc, So even you want to buy asics, they are imported via companies and then they're sold, otherwise they're too expensive, if you don't have a man inside the Customs you may not be able to get your asic it would be held by government.)

That's why Eal tried to defend Zeki to have his own hero account (which was hacked) for himself. We, Turkish people defend people's rights who we know, trust. (And then marcotheminer retaliated of course).

If you're thinking that's abusing the trust system it's quite easy to solve, All unreferenced feedbacks can be deleted, As far as I see Eal already deleted them.

But if those guys wanted to abuse trust system they could easily open fake sale threads and then give themselves positive trusts which hasn't been done.

Also those guys are not in the default trust system so they're not already seen as trusted (green). Those unreferenced trusts didn't effect their trust status even a little bit.

On the other hand any of these guys tried to get into default trust system like marcotheminer. You can see tomatocage's post about marcotheminer's wish:

It seems that he (Eal F. Skillz) doesn't want to resolve the situation, now I've sent him a PM and I hope he will reply to me (if he will resolve the situation I will remove the negative trust because are not needed).

I'm not sure if they can or not but I suppose it's up to Marco whether he considers it resolved or not and wishes to lock it.

Sorry if im asking it here which is abit off topic, a Banned user cant lock its own thread?

I do think the issue about Eal's trust issue should be resolved , but not in this thread since this is about the overpay amount of troleybus/Ealz which is resolved because Troleybus sent it back

How would real people in Turkey be able to confirm you don't have alts here? And besides, I don't think that is true:



Not that there is anything wrong with having alts but using them to abuse the trust system is.



Marco is the only one who can do that. The trust issue should still be cleared up or resolved in my opinion at least for Eal's sake.

seems a bit off topic but here is the rules of this from which Marco put in the OP




EDIT : it seems like both cakir and troleybus returned it back to bit-x, so this scam accusation can be close

I don't think that is the only reason why he got banned.
As far as I follow marcotheminer also spammed other signature campaigns to get more participants. Also he had an obsession about being the 100th page's first poster and keep posted same gif repeatedly.

All of those posts were deleted.

Sorry for the OT reply, but marco was banned for PM spam not for post spam. Apparently he was advertising the bot to others running a signature campaign.

I've got a pm from Bit-x.com. Here it's:
Anyway I've found out Troleybüs sent back to this addres: 1DwsNFJnXFSFtXP7M2q4rVczLyTqNpz1pb
I've sent 0.02 BTC to this address too.
Here it is: https://blockchain.info/tx/f15b52bafcc7fb8ab9e106ac713890f3f3efb2503bb1f2ac2b21daf8121bc3cf

Also, I suggest forum members not to join marcotheminer's sig campaigns.
Because he doesn't do his job well, he overpays, makes a deal with overpaid member and then kicks out from campaign and asks for refund.
He got banned because of spamming, which is not allowed by forum rules
at least 2 of his campaign members got banned because of spamming. (madness: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/madness-banned-976685 and fildza: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/any-mod-willing-to-help-me-976914 )

I also suggest bit-x.com to change their sig campaign manager. obviously marcotheminer is not capable of handling this kinda operation.

edit:  I also wonder that; will he kick out himself from his own signature campaign?

I sent funds to this address.


Why was he banned?

this concludes this scam accusation, troley need to return the overpay amount, then it is all set
Bolded a few points , this is about  0.055 btc overpay from bit-x campaign , if there is a discussion about Eal's using alt or leaving trust to himself , it can be discussed in another thread

If I owe Bit-X they should PM me. I don't get any PM from them since 26 February. I'll pay them if they send me their address with a signed message. All my life I live with my honor. I don't owe anybody. Even that is not my fault I'll pay them and clear my name. This is my only account here, I don't have any alt accounts. Real people that know me in Turkey can confirm that.

They read my message but don't answered, I'm still waiting.

I get a reply from Bit-X:

0.055 BTC sent.

The retaliation seems to be coming equally from both sides and predates this accusation and it's obvious you've both rubbed each other up the wrong way. Regardless of whether eal and trollybus and pandacoin and others are alts or just friends they have obviously conspired to abuse the feedback system and retaliate against others that have had run ins with eal or vice versa. This retaliatory feedback from these Turkish accounts has happened at least three times on people in this thread alone and there's at least one other I know of that hasn't spoken up. The accusation by marco is petty and doesn't really seem like a scam to me but obviously he's taken the opportunity to get a one-up here for previous quarrels and negative feedbacks received and I can't really blame him. This is what happens when you get into petty spats and egos are involved because both parties are always trying to take the other down and will uncover any dirt they can no matter how petty to come out the victor.

This is Obvious Retaliation of Marcotheminer

Let me tell you why this is retaliation.

First of all everything started with Turkish Member yussuf89's account has been stollen.
Turkish board moderator Eal tried to defence Zeki (a.k.a real owner of the hero account) and said that Zeki should keep the account because of hacking and he shouldn't pay the loan back. Zeki and marcotheminer decided to sell this hacked account to cover the loaned money...
As you can see marcotheminer has a negative trust from Administrator Badbear "Traffics in stolen accounts " https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=147773

Then marcotheminer wanted to retaliate Eal so started this thread. I know that Eal and Troleybüs are different people, Eal has nothing to do with this accusation. But marcotheminer thinks otherwise.

Anyway, What does revenge seeker marcotheminer say?
In the beginning he said that: "Troleybüs owes him money" You can see that on the reply subject's of this thread: " Re: Troleybüs/Eal F. Skillz/Pandacoin Owes Me 0.055 BTC ". For one week marcotheminer wanted bit-x's money for himself He changed it when I warned him: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10649918

After that I remembered the first month of this sig campaign. Marcotheminer had overpaid me too. And I told that over 20 hours ago. Check here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10650103

It has been nearly one day, neither marcotheminer nor bit-x contacted me for refund which I said that to refund is ok for me.

What should we understand from that? marcotheminer doesn't care about bit-x's money; he's only thinking to get back at Eal (who's unrelated) in a childish mood.  If he cared about client's money he should've asked me for refund too. Also Troleybüs and marcotheminer had agreement to correct marcotheminer's fault. Troleybüs already stated here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10594132
Instead of marcotheminer act loyal to his agreement he started a childish war against Eal.

Also marcotheminer expanded this childish war against some of Turkish board members;
pandacoin is also another person whom gave yussuf89 (hacked account) negative trust, than he deleted it when marcotheminer and zeki have agreement.
karatma1 is also another person, marcotheminer tried to block his acceptance on a sig campaign: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10641841

I think Marco pretty much nailed these guys. I thought something like this was the case when Eal dropped me a negative for nothing that had to do with him. Going to see if he responds...guessing he will not though.

Edit: Left all 3 of these guys negative feedback...I will remove if proven wrong.

So the problem is that you would never know if someone have alt accounts when he will cautious enough. It is not  so hard. From the other hand, some people do not care about disclosure of their own alts. But this is matter for another discussion.