Topic: Trump Threatens To Keep Government Closed "For Months Or years" (Read 654 times)

Right. You know, I wonder if making labor-residencies more mainstream would help. America has lost a certain edge by not having a low-cost manufacturing/production sector. In Florida, (and many other places), farms are allowed to hire masses of immigrants at below minimum wage salaries and in exchange host and feed them. However this practice is much more limited than it could be. These farms, as I understand, lack transparency are full of unethical practices. I wonder just how difficult it would be to scale-up this system, regulate it, and provide a safety zone where they could work, get an education, and (they or their children) could fully immigrate after many years.

Could this even work without inadvertently creating a caste system?
What would be a controllable number of non-U.S. citizens? millions? 10s of millions?

It is basically indentured servitude in practice, but actually, as long as they are not abused... It seems like a better idea than leaving good people stranded or letting immigration be such a free-for-all.

The majority of immigrants of the type we are discussing come over the southern border and have never had a passport in their life. The are recently some refugees, such as from Syria, who also do not have passports, or even identity cards.

This is for the prototypes:

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-awards-contracts-border-wall-prototypes


Doesn't mean any of these would build the actual wall.

The majority of immigrants just fly in apparently. ...

The majority of immigrants just fly in apparently. The primary question about the wall is: Which construction company is going to build it?

It's rather serendipitous that a construction and real estate mogul wants to do a construction project after he gets in office.

Anybody know what company or companies are lined up to build this thing?

Caddell Construction Co., (DE), LLC, Montgomery, Alabama,
Fisher Sand & Gravel Co., DBA Fisher Industries, Tempe, Arizona,
Texas Sterling Construction Co., Houston, Texas, and
W. G. Yates & Sons Construction Company, Philadelphia, Mississippi.

Federal employees must be relieved at news that the government shutdown has temporarily come to an end, but they will probably miss the free weed.

The legal cannabis search engine BudTrader.com offered free medical marijuana to government workers who couldn’t pay due to President Donald Trump’s shutdown, the Hill reports.

“I don’t think federal employees are getting enough love and support, in these tough times, we want to extend the offer of a donation of medical cannabis to any federal worker affected by the shutdown,” BudTrader CEO Brad McLaughlin said in a news release.

The Tonight Show host Jimmy Fallon made light of the situation, who quipped that the free medical marijuana is the reason why “a bunch of T.S.A. agents are staring at their security wands like, ‘Dude, I’m Harry Potter!’”

Problem: Do you have any idea how many areas of your life involve the government? Now all these areas, that you didn’t even know the government was involved in, are affected by the shutdown!

Mainstream solution: Re-open government, and continue to leave all these sectors vulnerable to the incompetence and maliciousness of government.

Actual solution: GET THE GOVERNMENT THE HELL OUT OF THE ECONOMY!

Over a month of the “shutdown” and now they have agreed to reopen temporarily. Oh boy, that means we get all the terrible government we pay for back in our lives.

Until February 15th at least.

Then government workers can go back to the food bank lines or–gasp–find private sector jobs!

[The most shocking part of all this to me is that the people running the government on a daily basis don’t even have their shit together enough to go one month without pay. But why should I be surprised when they are taking the lead of a government almost $22 TRILLION in debt.]

I’m an empathetic person so I don’t like to see anyone struggle. Which is why for years I’ve written about the need to take matters into your own hands. Be prepared for disaster instead of relying on the government or corporations to save you.

So–big surprise–here’s a disaster. The government can’t fulfill its basic functions because of a partisan political fight.

And if this is how it goes over a $5 billion dispute, imagine when it really hits the fan. Could be the debt, the unfunded liabilities, or the viability of the overprinted dollar–but something WILL give causing a real shutdown much worse than the current political stunt.

Great reasons to get the government out of all important roles.

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Well at least they might just get paid a little, then shutdown again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQNqzeO9Hg

I don't see him shutting down government in 3 weeks time. Thats just him posturing and appeasing his base whilst he tries figuring out a way out of a mess he created himself. I bet you everything that he won't get a dime from congress, and he won't shut down government. He is more likely to abuse emergency powers and that won't get him the wall.


I didn't bother clicking that, but the man is a known liar and his words are meaningless. He vowed never to open government without  the wall money.

Amazing how quick he left is to jerk itself off, never once double checking their information before stroking it in public. At least children aren't getting death threats over this one though. This was a temporary measure likely aimed at getting workers paid. It lasts 3 weeks. That is it. You can stop declaring victory now.

I will just leave this right here: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-26/was-no-way-concession-trump-vows-move-forward-wall-21-days-if-no-deal

Don't be overly dramatic, immigration reform was never on the fucking table anyways.  The dems and GOP have been fighting over immigration for decades and it isn't getting fixed weather Trump try's to change the narrative or not.

The hard right isn't going to let Trump give the democrats the dreamers or TPS, they wouldn't give it to him when he was getting 25b for the wall.  Trump reportedly was listening to Kushner who told him to dig in and he could get the senate dems to split from Chuck to get the 5.7b passed.

Democrats don't even realize that Trump has shifted the overton window on this entire issue.  Immigration reform is not on the table at all.  Amnesty is not on the table at all, not even for dreamers.  The entire debate is "border wall" vs "really tight border security" which would be even more effective than a wall. 

That is an invisible win for Trump.

Yes, why remember the details when you can just invent them?

That is the difference between the left and the right. The left can only think 1 step ahead at most. The Democrats were HANDED the house by having several criminally complicit RINOs step down, leaving many would be solidly held Republican districts up for grabs unopposed. Congrats, you can win when no one else is running against you

Why do this you might ask? Well let me tell you! This is to set the stage for 2020, as well as make sure that even when Trump is finally out of office, he will take a bunch of the criminal cartel within our government out before then. The idea is give the Democrats incentives to commit voter fraud, document it, and then wrap up all complicit parties nice and tight, freeing up 2020 for a nice election relatively free of fraud. You keep counting those chickens before they hatch. I am sure it will all work out.

Yes, what a cave getting those workers paid!

None of this would even be necessary if the Democrats were not intent on making this impossible by refusing to negotiate over it.

My "rambling" refers to your own theory that GOP strategically lost the election to trap dems into some grand plan of theirs. I don't recall all the details, sorry. Me stating the fact that Trump caved is not a victory for me personally in any way. I didn't feel the shutdown at all. It's still stupid though on many levels so I'm happy it's over. The federal workers shouldn't have been subjected to this to begin with so there is nothing and no one to praise.