Topic: Trump Threatens To Keep Government Closed "For Months Or years" - page 2. (Read 654 times)

My "rambling" refers to your own theory that GOP strategically lost the election to trap dems into some grand plan of theirs. I don't recall all the details, sorry. Me stating the fact that Trump caved is not a victory for me personally in any way. I didn't feel the shutdown at all. It's still stupid though on many levels so I'm happy it's over. The federal workers shouldn't have been subjected to this to begin with so there is nothing and no one to praise.

Just when I was starting to have hope...


Drudge Report: Shutdown Deal Reached; Government to Reopen Temporarily




Watch the videos at the site.

You preach about ego and how much you care for the workers, but the first thing you do is leap to declare victory, gloating over a temp fix and punishing the act, not praise the act of making sure the workers got paid. Not sure what your rambling about temporary measures fooling the left is about, but I am sure it is based on lots of factual information as usual. 

For that to happen he would need to overcome his ego and this shutdown failure seems to be just the latest of many indications that he can't. As soon as "Nancy" took away his SOTU speech he folded. I wouldn't be surprised if he's gonna attempt that speech now and perhaps he even truly believes that his imaginary "art of the deal" / "apprentice" persona will be able to browbeat dems into his $5.7B plan.


Sure. And GOP losing the midterms was just a temporary measure that completely fooled the left.

I'm not declaring victory, I just happen to think that the shutdown is stupid and the wall is stupid. If Mexico wants to pay - have at it, but holding own citizens hostage over this boondoggle is borderline criminal.

Lose? I'd like to see the arguments that would cause the Supreme Court of any country to rule that a border wall could not be built on that country's border.

Nothing says he can't buy or otherwise compensate for that land, and or build on land they already control. Every inch does not need to be covered for it to improve effectiveness. It still channels people through more predictable routes by limiting options. He would be well within his authority doing any of this.

This is just a CR, so a full budget will be coming soon. I still think he might get the $1.6 billion (and call it a massive victory). The $5.7 billion is very unlikely now, since the inertia is now strongly against him, and he's demonstrated a lack of willingness to follow through. I predict that there will not be another shutdown in 3 weeks.

I'm disappointed it ended so soon. Things were just starting to heat up.

I'm constantly shocked and how incompetent Trump's advisors must be. He could have won this if he'd been willing to endure major disasters and widespread outcry, but clearly he wasn't anywhere near so willing, since he broke at almost the first sign of trouble. So it's now clear that he had no strategy for winning when he went into this. I get the sense that he's surrounded by the sort of energetic but unrealistic ideologues you see on eg. /r/The_Donald, plus a handful of establishment neocons who he only sometimes listens to. I kind of like Trump - his policy instincts are better than most politicians, and he's unusually willing to buck the establishment -, so it's disappointing that his administration is such a mess.

If I were him and had similar values as he does, I'd fire basically my whole staff, replace them with people from the Heritage Foundation, tell them to figure out a way to get a wall built and make me look good, and then let them do 99% of the work from there. Then he'd have a functioning administration and he'd probably end up getting his wall, since he'd have actually-competent people working on it. Right now he's clearly in way over his head and surrounded by people who are either trying to undermine him or loyal-but-incompetent.


This is the kind of overly-optimistic advice he should not be believing...

If he just had to move military to the border or something like that, he might get away with it. But in order to build a wall, he has to confiscate private property, and that's never going to stand. Every property-owner is going to sue Trump, and if even one of those many courts orders that construction be stopped, it's stopped. Furthermore, a president lost a very similar case  in the Supreme Court previously: In order to fight a war more effectively, a president tried to confiscate steel factories, but was prevented.

So if he tries doing it via national emergency, the courts will stop him near-immediately, it'll be stuck in legal proceedings for years, and at the end he'd probably still lose. Though even if he knows this, he might still try it so that he can say "well, I tried everything I can to build the wall".

As usual you like to pretend up and down you know about American politics but you are completely ignorant of its inner workings and our laws. The reason he has emergency authority to build a wall is because it falls quite clearly under national security grounds, and most importantly defense of the nations sovereign borders. As far as executive authority goes, there aren't many more established than this one. All your fantasizing about force-feeding the nation your horse shit that no one can prove using actual science is not even in the same hemisphere of authority.

The democrats have been in control, for a long time, and their policies failed miserably. Now the adults are here to clean up the mess. The least the left can do is step aside while we fix the problems they caused, ofc they prefer to have their own reality rather than share one with everyone else.

Agreed, Trump should absolutely do this, then when a democratic president is elected in the future He/She can declare an emergency on climate change and build solar plants around the country and remove the coal industry from America.  He/She could then even build hundreds of state run electric car manufactures and give them away to drive the auto industry out of business in the name of national security!

I love how short sighted the GOP is being on the wall, it's just like going nuclear on SCOTUS nominees.  Eventually the democrats will control the white house and senate they will jam the most liberal judges they can find on the bench when they get the chance.

McConnell has the option to go nuclear on appropriations bills, but it's not even an option and NO ONE is even talking about it because he knows how stupid it would be in the long run.

I'm also with you, Trump was in the right decision. But here is the thing comes up in my mind, I don't know but I find this funny. I can imagine how much Trump hates Mexico and I think there's a personal issue he has trouble with the people of Mexico. He is trying to build walls to make Mexico down in economics. I think Trump had a business in Mexico and he wasn't pleased. We don't know the whole story but there's a big chance why this president is obsessed with building that wall.

I hear something about that if congress still won't fund the wall negotiating in the 3 week temporary gov't reopening, that Trump is going to declare a national emergency and use his executive power to build the wall without congress..

Try to find some sources..
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html


I support Trump to build the wall..

Amazing how quick he left is to jerk itself off, never once double checking their information before stroking it in public. At least children aren't getting death threats over this one though. This was a temporary measure likely aimed at getting workers paid. It lasts 3 weeks. That is it. You can stop declaring victory now.

Well, Trump caved yesterday, with $0 for the wall. It's not over yet but I find it hard to believe that he can get anything now that his bluff's been called.

The IRS is the private collection arm of the private bank known as The Federal Reserve anyway, so it is not part of the government to be shut down.

The IRS is open through the Federal shutdown.  It fiscally would not make sense to cut off your revenue while you are having a financial crisis.  Definitely give this an A for creativity though. 

Is this because he is demanding funds to build a Wall that was going to be paid by Mexico to keep their own people imprisoned? Could congress do something to make things move again despite Trump's decision?

We used to have a moat, so to speak. The Rio Grande was an actual pretty good river. Then against some of our agreements with them, the Mexicans damned it up and downstream, it became just a trickle or in many places, a dry stream bed.

Hence, illegal Mexicans crossing over are no longer called "wetbacks."

I would donate to a gofundme page to hire Aquaman to patrol the moat!!!  I would also support making ladders illegal to help border security, anyone caught with a ladder anywhere in the USA should be executed on sight.

Why doesn't trump just build an invisible wall?  I am sure he knows more than anyone about invisible walls, imagine how beautiful and effective it would be!

I want to see what happens when in february the food stamps will run out, will they destroy the US for a wall?

I've been collecting leeches for a while now. I figure when we slip back into feudalism, the one with the most leeches gets to be the doctor. I'd be damn good at feudalism, so I'm excited! The people of this forum could probably create a pretty decent fiefdom if we put our heads together. We just need a handful of engineers, a handful of the hardcore survival people, we've got the agriculture fellas, and someone to help dig the moat.

(post is sarcasm and jab at government, not off topic rambling. The invitation is real though, lets dig a moat!)