A fair number of dem lawmakers want to impeach trump ASAP, the rest want to push Trump through the meat grinder nice and slow. It what world does it makes sense for the democrats to give Trump a $5 billion dollar re-election gift... Trump couldn't even get any wall funding when both the house and senate were in his control for 2 years, people think the dems who now control the house are going to give him what his own fucking party wouldn't, for nothing???
I think the dems should offer him $75 billion for the wall for DACA and his resignation, haha!
Trump literally has no leverage left, he is desperate for an out he can claim as a win here. The dems look so much more reasonable in this case (and polling confirms that) by offering to fund the other depts and a CR for DHS while negotiations continue on "border security".
Honestly this won't go on for months or years, Trump will do what he always does when he loses and claim it as a victory somehow. I for 1 am extremely interested to see how he twists reality this time, it's always interesting to see him re-write history in real time! Conway is already out in front calling this a high tech wall, dems will let him fix some existing fencing (which Trump will claim is hundreds of miles of new fencing) and give him a bunch of DHS money for smart security, Trump will say it's his idea and that his smart wall is better, stronger and more beautiful than steel or concrete and that the American drone industry is coming back after having left the country under Obama.
Ironically IMO the one who will feel the most political pressure the longer this goes on will be the dude saying absolutely nothing right now... Yurtle the Turtle has 22 senators up for re-election in 2020... The farmers not getting tariff relief payments or subsidies etc right now are going to put a lot of pressure eventually on their senators to get all the agencies funded (except DHS if they really want to have a pissing contest over a wall).
Topic: Trump Threatens To Keep Government Closed "For Months Or years" - page 3. (Read 654 times)
January 06, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
January 06, 2019, 08:38:14 AM
I think one side will cave before the end of February once federal employees really stop receiving paychecks and people don't receive their anticipated tax refunds. Probably Trump will be the one to cave (likely accepting the original $1.6 billion and calling it a win), since polling shows that most people attribute the shutdown to him. If Trump can resist the crushing political pressure for several months, Democrats might eventually give in, but the whole event could provide them with effective political ammunition against Trump even as far into the future as 2020.
I like the shutdown because it makes people think, "The government has been (partially) shut down for a long time, but the sky hasn't fallen. Maybe we can shrink government permanently." So I hope it stays shut down as long as possible.
There's also the much more meaningful debt ceiling deadline in March which Trump could try blocking, if the dispute lasts that long.
I like the shutdown because it makes people think, "The government has been (partially) shut down for a long time, but the sky hasn't fallen. Maybe we can shrink government permanently." So I hope it stays shut down as long as possible.
There's also the much more meaningful debt ceiling deadline in March which Trump could try blocking, if the dispute lasts that long.
That is the brilliance of Trumps strategy I find is repeated over and over again, and it is easy to miss if you don't look close. You said people attribute the shutdown to him, and it could be ammo against him in the future. You also said you liked the idea of people seeing the world doesn't end just because the government is shut down, because as you pointed out it conditions people to the concept that the world doesn't burst into flames if we don't have mommy and daddy government everywhere. If the dems want to use this as ammo against him, they are going to have to consistently remind people of how they don't need all the excessive entitlement programs they are trying to push
In effect they have to undermine their own narrative to take that specific hit on him. It reminds me of the time the NY police went on strike a few years back, responding only to serious emergencies, and literally nothing eventful happened and crime actually dropped. They basically just made a case that most of them aren't even needed xD
January 06, 2019, 04:28:39 AM
Very good, this seems to be decentralized, and closing the government is an implicit goal of Bitcoin.
So let him give it a try, this is not bad for us.
Of course, I am sure he dare not do this, Trump has always just complained.
So let him give it a try, this is not bad for us.
Of course, I am sure he dare not do this, Trump has always just complained.
January 06, 2019, 03:03:26 AM
I'd love to see the democrats not flinch at all and retract offer of all additional funding. Keep the government shut down until 2020, that'd be nice.
January 06, 2019, 01:57:35 AM
I think one side will cave before the end of February once federal employees really stop receiving paychecks and people don't receive their anticipated tax refunds. Probably Trump will be the one to cave (likely accepting the original $1.6 billion and calling it a win), since polling shows that most people attribute the shutdown to him. If Trump can resist the crushing political pressure for several months, Democrats might eventually give in, but the whole event could provide them with effective political ammunition against Trump even as far into the future as 2020.
I like the shutdown because it makes people think, "The government has been (partially) shut down for a long time, but the sky hasn't fallen. Maybe we can shrink government permanently." So I hope it stays shut down as long as possible.
There's also the much more meaningful debt ceiling deadline in March which Trump could try blocking, if the dispute lasts that long.
I like the shutdown because it makes people think, "The government has been (partially) shut down for a long time, but the sky hasn't fallen. Maybe we can shrink government permanently." So I hope it stays shut down as long as possible.
There's also the much more meaningful debt ceiling deadline in March which Trump could try blocking, if the dispute lasts that long.
January 05, 2019, 03:30:13 PM
Does this mean that we won't have to pay income taxes? We need to sock away money in a trust that we would normally pay in income taxes. This way we will have it when government comes back on line... have it in a way that the IRS can't get it.
You know, if the IRS demands payment for past debts, they will write a lot of it off if you don't have it, and will accept easy payments to get you to keep on paying. Money that sits in the right kind of trust can't be taxed by the IRS.
Trump Threatens To Keep Government Closed "For Months Or years"
north america(usa) is becoming wild west again You know, if the IRS demands payment for past debts, they will write a lot of it off if you don't have it, and will accept easy payments to get you to keep on paying. Money that sits in the right kind of trust can't be taxed by the IRS.
Trump Threatens To Keep Government Closed "For Months Or years"
Quote from: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-04/trump-speaks-live-after-tense-shutdown-meeting-lawmakers
President Trump on Friday confirmed that he told Democratic leaders he would be willing to keep the government closed for months or even years if they refuse to provide funding for his border wall with Mexico.
"I did, absolutely, I said that," said the president, speaking with reporters after the morning meeting.
"I don’t think it will," Trump added, "But I am prepared and I think I can speak for Republicans in the House and Republicans in the Senate. I hope it doesn’t go on even beyond a few more days. It really could open very quickly, I told them."
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Around 25% of the federal government has been shut down for 14 days following Trump's refusal to sign a spending package that did not include $5 billion he has requested for the wall.
"I did, absolutely, I said that," said the president, speaking with reporters after the morning meeting.
"I don’t think it will," Trump added, "But I am prepared and I think I can speak for Republicans in the House and Republicans in the Senate. I hope it doesn’t go on even beyond a few more days. It really could open very quickly, I told them."
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Around 25% of the federal government has been shut down for 14 days following Trump's refusal to sign a spending package that did not include $5 billion he has requested for the wall.
January 05, 2019, 11:34:39 AM
Does this mean that we won't have to pay income taxes? We need to sock away money in a trust that we would normally pay in income taxes. This way we will have it when government comes back on line... have it in a way that the IRS can't get it.
You know, if the IRS demands payment for past debts, they will write a lot of it off if you don't have it, and will accept easy payments to get you to keep on paying. Money that sits in the right kind of trust can't be taxed by the IRS.
Trump Threatens To Keep Government Closed "For Months Or years"
You know, if the IRS demands payment for past debts, they will write a lot of it off if you don't have it, and will accept easy payments to get you to keep on paying. Money that sits in the right kind of trust can't be taxed by the IRS.
Trump Threatens To Keep Government Closed "For Months Or years"
Quote from: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-04/trump-speaks-live-after-tense-shutdown-meeting-lawmakers
President Trump on Friday confirmed that he told Democratic leaders he would be willing to keep the government closed for months or even years if they refuse to provide funding for his border wall with Mexico.
"I did, absolutely, I said that," said the president, speaking with reporters after the morning meeting.
"I don’t think it will," Trump added, "But I am prepared and I think I can speak for Republicans in the House and Republicans in the Senate. I hope it doesn’t go on even beyond a few more days. It really could open very quickly, I told them."
...
Around 25% of the federal government has been shut down for 14 days following Trump's refusal to sign a spending package that did not include $5 billion he has requested for the wall.
"I did, absolutely, I said that," said the president, speaking with reporters after the morning meeting.
"I don’t think it will," Trump added, "But I am prepared and I think I can speak for Republicans in the House and Republicans in the Senate. I hope it doesn’t go on even beyond a few more days. It really could open very quickly, I told them."
...
Around 25% of the federal government has been shut down for 14 days following Trump's refusal to sign a spending package that did not include $5 billion he has requested for the wall.
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