Trustdice: Terrible sportsbook, 5x! wager to withdraw - page 3.

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Quote from: tamadeus on December 30, 2023, 10:47:29 AM

Well, i guess the title says it all. Their sportsbook is extremely slow, and you have to login, and out if the odds have moved. If you dont, you will just get an error. Ive never experienced this before.

Low and behold, you actually have to wager your deposit 5! times before you can withdraw. Sadly this will take years if you prefer sports, as its definitly the worst you will encounter on the web these days.

So if you like sports, dont deposit here. Any other bookie in here has a more functional sportsbook.

THIS IS NOT A SCAM ACCUSATION.

since this is not a scam accusation means just a warning for those who wanted to
expect more from trustdice? well you can choose what and where to gamble and if you think
this is not what makes you comfortable then you are free to choose other sites as given by
others above, gamble from the sites that you fully trusted and that will makes you completely
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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 30, 2023, 04:47:49 PM

Did you read the ToS before depositing or did you just make an account and deposit. I'm not an employee of trustdice, but this could look like a competitor site leaving a piss poor review.

Why should this review come from a competitor site? Won't 5x wager upset any normal human? He doesn't wear any signature also to use that upset as an advantage and promote competitor.
It's true that users should read ToS but we all know that no one reads that at some point business has to understand that and don't put surprises into their ToS. What if they put in their ToS that by signing you agree to become a slave of Trustdice owner for the rest of your life? If they put this in their ToS and I sign up, should I be ready when they call me out? There are things that you can write in ToS and there are some ethics too. Why don't they promote 5x wagering on their mange page?

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Mind-blowing bonuses. Zero withdrawal fees. Flash-like customer support

What about this version?

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Mind blowing 5x wagering requirement on your first deposit. Zero withdrawal fees (but you have to wager 5 times). Flash-lie customer support

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C'mon, wagering requirement for normal deposits are not done to prevent money laundering but to retain deposits.

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Quote from: tamadeus on December 30, 2023, 06:29:03 PM

Please show me 1 man that reads the full TOS of any website. You expect the casinos to have quite similar TOS, as you would do for rules in real casinos. But here they will hold your money longer than anyone else.

You don't have to read the whole text, just focus on the information that you want to know. Example you want to know the wagering requirement, open the TOS, Ctrl F, search "wagering" "rollover" "wager" etc, if you still not find it, contact their live chat.

Their house, their rules, if you don't happy with that you're free to gamble on other casinos.

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Quote from: tamadeus on December 30, 2023, 06:29:03 PM

I have taken no bonus, nor won anything. I just noticed after i deposited that the sportsbook is insanely slow and unresponsive, its just a huge hassle to deal with. Therefore i want to just withdraw my money and never use that site again.

Please show me 1 man that reads the full TOS of any website. You expect the casinos to have quite similar TOS, as you would do for rules in real casinos. But here they will hold your money longer than anyone else.

Using find in page function to easily read the part of ToS which you really need to read such as Wagering Requirements and Restricted Country doesn’t take much of your time instead of depositing immediately and complain later.

Besides, You can browse the casino first without depositing real balance before you play since you can experience already how their sportsbook run and decide whether it’s slow or not for you. Yeah the x5 wagering requirements is too high but that’s their terms and it’s your problem now for depositing without reading their terms. You should lock now this thread because you knew already what’s the community answer to your thread.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on December 31, 2023, 01:29:26 AM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on December 30, 2023, 03:05:22 PM

The Trustdice representative already addressed this concern. If we happen to read the reply by acroman08, he posted a quoted reply of the representative of trustdice regarding this 5x wagering requirement, and it stated that the 5x wagering requirement applies only on the first deposit. The succeeding deposit does not require any wagering requirement at all. If we come to think it his kind of implementation, this is way better than any other casinos that always require 1x wagering requirement.

So I think I won't make any big deal out of this concern. If we don't want this kind of wagering requirement, we can always opt out and look for other sportsbook that meets our likings.

I don't understand the logic behind this move to be frank. First deposit requiring X5 wagering requirement sucks, but it's alright considering the fact that there are no wagering requirements on subsequent deposits.

However, how the heck would they tackle money laundering after the first deposit? This site could become a great portal for money launderers.

I don't see the point of that at all. If it's to avoid money laundering there should be a wagering requirement on every deposit, but what's the point of 5x on the first one and none on the rest? If I want people to lose track of some funds I have, I make a minimum first deposit on the site, and the rest I deposit and withdraw without wagering.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on December 30, 2023, 03:05:22 PM

The Trustdice representative already addressed this concern. If we happen to read the reply by acroman08, he posted a quoted reply of the representative of trustdice regarding this 5x wagering requirement, and it stated that the 5x wagering requirement applies only on the first deposit. The succeeding deposit does not require any wagering requirement at all. If we come to think it his kind of implementation, this is way better than any other casinos that always require 1x wagering requirement.

So I think I won't make any big deal out of this concern. If we don't want this kind of wagering requirement, we can always opt out and look for other sportsbook that meets our likings.

I don't understand the logic behind this move to be frank. First deposit requiring X5 wagering requirement sucks, but it's alright considering the fact that there are no wagering requirements on subsequent deposits.

However, how the heck would they tackle money laundering after the first deposit? This site could become a great portal for money launderers.

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if this amount is not linked to their "deposit bonus" it's pretty strange such wager requirement (never seen before in many many years and others bookmakers).
Of course if they detail in their ToS there isn't too much that can be done Sad

but of course this is not the best option for any kind of player Sad

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Quote from: tamadeus on December 30, 2023, 06:29:03 PM

I have taken no bonus, nor won anything. I just noticed after i deposited that the sportsbook is insanely slow and unresponsive, its just a huge hassle to deal with. Therefore i want to just withdraw my money and never use that site again.

Please show me 1 man that reads the full TOS of any website. You expect the casinos to have quite similar TOS, as you would do for rules in real casinos. But here they will hold your money longer than anyone else.

If you didn't read the sites tos than you cannot complain when it wasn't what you expected. The terms are there for your convenience so that you know what the site expects from you and what you can expect from a site. I agree that 99.9% of users do not read a site's tos, but that's not the site's fault.

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I have taken no bonus, nor won anything. I just noticed after i deposited that the sportsbook is insanely slow and unresponsive, its just a huge hassle to deal with. Therefore i want to just withdraw my money and never use that site again.

Please show me 1 man that reads the full TOS of any website. You expect the casinos to have quite similar TOS, as you would do for rules in real casinos. But here they will hold your money longer than anyone else.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on December 30, 2023, 11:45:57 AM

Well, that x5 wager is in their terms, point 5.1, but i think that's an abuse too. Moves like that are not to avoid money laundering, is to avoid the users from withdrawing. But is the decision of the users of play here or not, i personally don't like those terms of service, the fact that the max withdrawal each day is $5,000 and $15,000/weeks is another rape for users, if you get a big win you will not even be able to take the money, so, there are multiple reasons to avoid this casino.

Yes, it is really just that too much on which having that kind of 5x requirement or wagering rollover would really be just likely that they are really that prohibiting players to cashout on which it is really just that obvious. I dont have any experience on playing on trustdice though but if this is the numbers that we are talking then i wont get surprised if tons of players would really be
that flocking out into this site.It isnt really just that justfiable with this kind of terms and conditions when it comes to deposits on which it is really that too much.
Pretty sure that most sportsbook wont really be having this kind of requirement.

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Did you read the ToS before depositing or did you just make an account and deposit. I'm not an employee of trustdice, but this could look like a competitor site leaving a piss poor review.

You may just be a gambler, but had you read their terms you may have opted not to deposit there. Not sure why you wouldn't choose 1 of the more well known books to wager sports

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Quote from: acroman08 on December 30, 2023, 11:50:06 AM

to be fair wagering requirement on your deposit is a way gambling sites use to prevent money laundering but 5x is a bit much for me.

Does the government give recommendation to casinos to set up at least 2x wagering requirements to prevent money laundering? I have never ever seen any legit evidence that wagering decreases the chance of money laundering. I think that it is an excuse and a made-up thing to retain deposits. If I am KYC verified, why should I wager to withdraw? KYC verified means that they know who I am and wagering can't decrease the chance of money laundering from me, nor can no wagering requirement increase the chance of me laundering money. It would make some sense for non-verified users.

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5.10 In order to make a withdrawal, a player must wager at least 5x the 1st deposit amount from deposits.

This is the quote from trustdice.win
Do they offer bonuses to every first deposit or why do they strictly ask this for the first deposit? If I deposit 1$ and then 5000$, I'll be able to withdraw if I wager 1$ for 5 times.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on December 30, 2023, 03:35:56 PM

Quote from: seoincorporation on December 30, 2023, 11:45:57 AM

Well, that x5 wager is in their terms, point 5.1, but i think that's an abuse too. Moves like that are not to avoid money laundering, is to avoid the users from withdrawing. But is the decision of the users of play here or not, i personally don't like those terms of service, the fact that the max withdrawal each day is $5,000 and $15,000/weeks is another rape for users, if you get a big win you will not even be able to take the money, so, there are multiple reasons to avoid this casino.

What a trap if you don't read those T&C tbh, they're more stricter than my bank on the daily withdrawals but it's their term and gamblers should abide on that. Moreover, it was like hidden in plain sight to gamblers who would think they'll just have their way from other casinos.

I don't think that Seoincorporation is strict here, Trustdoce is taking this too far with x5 wagering requirements before withdrawal (even if it's just with the first deposit) and with minimum daily/weekly withdrawals... I wonder do they have limited max bets as well?

And I wouldn't compare banks with crypto casinos... I understand they have their own rules, but some of these rules are there just to keep depositors/winners on the site as long as they can. I think there are better ways to keep players on the site.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on December 30, 2023, 11:45:57 AM

Well, that x5 wager is in their terms, point 5.1, but i think that's an abuse too. Moves like that are not to avoid money laundering, is to avoid the users from withdrawing. But is the decision of the users of play here or not, i personally don't like those terms of service, the fact that the max withdrawal each day is $5,000 and $15,000/weeks is another rape for users, if you get a big win you will not even be able to take the money, so, there are multiple reasons to avoid this casino.

What a trap if you don't read those T&C tbh, they're more stricter than my bank on the daily withdrawals but it's their term and gamblers should abide on that. Moreover, it was like hidden in plain sight to gamblers who would think they'll just have their way from other casinos.

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This is the worst of it all that I have come across in my time of gambling, the highest of it all is 2X wager which is a little understandable as I mostly play only on casinos that only requires me to wager 1x before I can be allowed to withdraw which is enough to serve the purpose of that wager, which was initially to reduce the chance of people using the casino to launder money, but 5x wager is just a means of telling the gambler they want you to wager until you lose it all.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on December 30, 2023, 11:45:57 AM

Well, that x5 wager is in their terms, point 5.1, but i think that's an abuse too. Moves like that are not to avoid money laundering, is to avoid the users from withdrawing. But is the decision of the users of play here or not, i personally don't like those terms of service, the fact that the max withdrawal each day is $5,000 and $15,000/weeks is another rape for users, if you get a big win you will not even be able to take the money, so, there are multiple reasons to avoid this casino.

The fact that trustdice already stated that rule of 5x in their term of services means is no longer an abuse since the player have the right to either play on the site or look for another casino that offers him more friendly conditions, so for sure casinos and bookmakers are out to make money also and they will employ any available mechanism to get the highest revenue.

Just as you mentioned in your concluding part of the comment, those higher wager conditions are not in any way aimed at reducing the tendency of money laundering and if they do it can also be done with a 1x wager demand too, this is a pour act of trying to trap the gambler from being able to withdraw from the casino.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on December 30, 2023, 01:33:47 PM

X5 wagering requirement? That's messed up in so many ways. There are so many popular options out there that need you to just wager X1 of your deposit in order to withdraw which is way more practical and realistic.

I never was interested in this site to be honest and I will advise others to avoid it until they get rid of that ridiculous wagering requirement.

The Trustdice representative already addressed this concern. If we happen to read the reply by acroman08, he posted a quoted reply of the representative of trustdice regarding this 5x wagering requirement, and it stated that the 5x wagering requirement applies only on the first deposit. The succeeding deposit does not require any wagering requirement at all. If we come to think it his kind of implementation, this is way better than any other casinos that always require 1x wagering requirement.

So I think I won't make any big deal out of this concern. If we don't want this kind of wagering requirement, we can always opt out and look for other sportsbook that meets our likings.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on December 30, 2023, 01:33:47 PM

X5 wagering requirement? That's messed up in so many ways. There are so many popular options out there that need you to just wager X1 of your deposit in order to withdraw which is way more practical and realistic.

I never was interested in this site to be honest and I will advise others to avoid it until they get rid of that ridiculous wagering requirement.

Absolutely. That is one crazy high wagering requirement. Five times the deposit? Come on now and you'd think the casino wants to make darn near impossible to actually cash out any winnings.

Most places I've played only ask you to play through the deposit once or twice before letting you withdraw. That seems plenty fair to me. But this five times stuff is just bananas. They clearly don't intend for folks to walk away with money in their pockets. OP, Id urge you to take your business elsewhere, where you'll get a nicer deal upfront without all these sneaky strings attached.

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Trustdice is an old casino but they're still running their signature campaign on this platform and that's why they won't scam anyone. However, if their sports page is so slow then they should work to improve its speed otherwise they may lose many potential players from their platform.

5x wager is too much in order to withdraw your funds but I guess the ones who select such wager because they're more interested in gaining the money from the bonus and they want the wager to get complete as soon as possible. Even 2x wager seems like a high wager value but casinos doesn't that to not get bankrupt.

I think it's always better to play on any casino without going with the bonuses because without bonuses you won't have to worry about withdrawals as you can withdraw your money without any issues if you play for sometime. So, far I have never had any withdrawal issue with the casinos that I use that's mainly because I don't really avail the bonuses and play with my own money instead of that extra money given as a bonus.

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X5 wagering requirement? That's messed up in so many ways. There are so many popular options out there that need you to just wager X1 of your deposit in order to withdraw which is way more practical and realistic.

I never was interested in this site to be honest and I will advise others to avoid it until they get rid of that ridiculous wagering requirement.

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