Truthseeker: US plans 'first strike' on Russia

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Quote from: blumangroup on June 05, 2014, 09:54:57 PM

It is extremely unlikely that the US or Russia will directly attack each other. The current conflict will likely be similar to the cold war in that we "fought" to have the best military technology, spied on each other and funded groups/countries that was hostile to groups/countries that was hostile to the other.

A first strike cannot be ruled out, especially if the heads of state of either one of these countries are blood-thirsty (for example, Hillary Clinton of USA, Zhirinovskyi of Russia). That said, both these nations are more likely to use the fifth-columns residing inside their rival nations to stir unrest (such as Chechens in Russia). Grin

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It is extremely unlikely that the US or Russia will directly attack each other. The current conflict will likely be similar to the cold war in that we "fought" to have the best military technology, spied on each other and funded groups/countries that was hostile to groups/countries that was hostile to the other.

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I don't think they want that kind of power Wink

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Quote from: Nik1ab on June 04, 2014, 04:33:08 AM

Every one of these individuals has the same interest: power

No problem

There is enough power for everybody. Cheesy

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Every one of these individuals has the same interest: power

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 03, 2014, 09:31:11 AM

Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 08:41:57 AM

I don't think we need to fear one stupid nation using a nuclear weapon.

I disagree with you. We need to fear one stupid nation / ruler capable of doing that. Sometimes mentally deranged people commit suicide after killing large number of people. Such cases can't be ignored.

It's not just one stupid nation. It's one stupid nation and it's lapdog allies.

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Quote from: niothor on June 03, 2014, 08:41:57 AM

I don't think we need to fear one stupid nation using a nuclear weapon.

I disagree with you. We need to fear one stupid nation / ruler capable of doing that. Sometimes mentally deranged people commit suicide after killing large number of people. Such cases can't be ignored.

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Quote from: cbeast on June 02, 2014, 10:46:57 AM

If anyone is stupid enough to make a nuclear first strike it will be North Korea, Pakistan, or India. I was going to include Israel, but they are more likely to use chemical.

I don't think we need to fear one stupid nation using a nuclear weapon.
This will not happen as almost anyone knows what a nuclear war will bring and that even the winner will be in fact a loser.

What we should fear is an accident , and this thing will happen sooner or later , the only question is how many of us will survive , and how many hands and feet we will have after it

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Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 02, 2014, 05:51:42 PM

Because to finish the war we would have had to invade Japan and even their civilians were training for combat. We would have lost millions more allied troops and eradicated 90% of the population of Japan to end a way they started. That is the kind of thing you get when politics and religion are mixed in such a way.

Emperor Hirohito was already thinking about surrendering to the Allies, after the Nazis did the same. Even the allies knew about it. There was no need to kill half-a-million civilians, just to test the new American weapon.

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I think he did enough research.

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Quote from: LostDutchman on June 02, 2014, 04:20:39 PM

Don't get me started on the history of the use of The Bomb on Japan unless you want a well-founded and educated justification for its use, after which you will feel thrashed.

Please let us hear why there was a need to destroy two civilian targets with large population density and against a country that already was on the verge of capitulation. Even Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was an attack against a military target.
I heard that one of the cited reasons was to prevent Japan from capitulating to the "wrong" country - i.e. Soviet Union.

That's what you get for "hearing" instead of doing some research.

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Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 02, 2014, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on June 02, 2014, 04:46:57 PM

Quote from: LostDutchman on June 02, 2014, 04:20:39 PM

Don't get me started on the history of the use of The Bomb on Japan unless you want a well-founded and educated justification for its use, after which you will feel thrashed.

Please let us hear why there was a need to destroy two civilian targets with large population density and against a country that already was on the verge of capitulation. Even Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was an attack against a military target.
I heard that one of the cited reasons was to prevent Japan from capitulating to the "wrong" country - i.e. Soviet Union.

Because to finish the war we would have had to invade Japan and even their civilians were training for combat. We would have lost millions more allied troops and eradicated 90% of the population of Japan to end a way they started. That is the kind of thing you get when politics and religion are mixed in such a way.

Thank you for your kind and accurate post!

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on June 02, 2014, 04:46:57 PM

Quote from: LostDutchman on June 02, 2014, 04:20:39 PM

Don't get me started on the history of the use of The Bomb on Japan unless you want a well-founded and educated justification for its use, after which you will feel thrashed.

Please let us hear why there was a need to destroy two civilian targets with large population density and against a country that already was on the verge of capitulation. Even Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was an attack against a military target.
I heard that one of the cited reasons was to prevent Japan from capitulating to the "wrong" country - i.e. Soviet Union.

Because to finish the war we would have had to invade Japan and even their civilians were training for combat. We would have lost millions more allied troops and eradicated 90% of the population of Japan to end a way they started. That is the kind of thing you get when politics and religion are mixed in such a way.

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Quote from: Benjig on June 02, 2014, 01:24:17 PM

It's quite unlikely that the US would launch a first strike. They are in no position to. The only way this could happen is total insanity officially occurs in American's. That is a threat but the WORLD isn't allowing this to happen.

Whether this can or can't happen is a matter of power and the US is in the process of loosing its world dominating power, namely the number one spot in the world economy. How far will they go to avoid loosing that? This is the worlds most militarised nation and wars are vital to their economy. Imho that was a large part of the reason for wanting to attack Syria, the US economy is facing collapse and desperately needs another war and the public backlash over Syria has made that situation more even more desperate.

The internet has given the world a voice and a means of avoiding propaganda, the old tried and tested means of control aren't as effective any more. Even Bitcoin has seriously threatened that power, its a poxy little 10 billion cap but the genie's out of the bottle and central banking's days are numbered. The only way of putting those genie's back in the bottle is boarders on communications between nations and the most effective way of achieving that is turning nations into enemies. I really hope that's just the tinfoil hat doing the thinking but those that forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them and history has many examples of powers corruption.

Yes very well said,
I would like to add that The Usa has alot of weapon manufacturer's, and they have alot of money and lobbyists.
So there are alot of people and companies that will profit from war, Also the people that control the debt of America (fed) would like to see them at war.
Just because they are spending there dollars, they have to pay them back so that's profit for the people that control the fed again.
So the American soldiers and people are told they are fighting for there 'freeworld' but they are just the lowest pawns, in a war giving there life just for money, power and control.

I would like to believe America wouldn't start a war just out of nothing, but as history has proven they will just do a falseflag attack and invade any country they fucking want.
Just to force democracy on them, that is supposed to be freedom.

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Quote from: LostDutchman on June 02, 2014, 04:20:39 PM

Don't get me started on the history of the use of The Bomb on Japan unless you want a well-founded and educated justification for its use, after which you will feel thrashed.

Please let us hear why there was a need to destroy two civilian targets with large population density and against a country that already was on the verge of capitulation. Even Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was an attack against a military target.
I heard that one of the cited reasons was to prevent Japan from capitulating to the "wrong" country - i.e. Soviet Union.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 02, 2014, 01:42:06 PM

Quote from: Benjig on June 02, 2014, 01:24:17 PM

It's quite unlikely that the US would launch a first strike. They are in no position to. The only way this could happen is total insanity officially occurs in American's. That is a threat but the WORLD isn't allowing this to happen.

The United States remains as the only country which has ever used nukes against a civilian population (1945, Japan). And I am quite sure that if there is a second time, it will be the same perpetrators.

Don't get me started on the history of the use of The Bomb on Japan unless you want a well-founded and educated justification for its use, after which you will feel thrashed.

You should also remember that both Japan and Germany were working on the Bomb and would have used it first, or at least a dirty bomb, had those two evil governments not been stopped.

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Quote from: Benjig on June 02, 2014, 01:24:17 PM

It's quite unlikely that the US would launch a first strike. They are in no position to. The only way this could happen is total insanity officially occurs in American's. That is a threat but the WORLD isn't allowing this to happen.

The United States remains as the only country which has ever used nukes against a civilian population (1945, Japan). And I am quite sure that if there is a second time, it will be the same perpetrators.

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It's quite unlikely that the US would launch a first strike. They are in no position to. The only way this could happen is total insanity officially occurs in American's. That is a threat but the WORLD isn't allowing this to happen.

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Quote from: nickenburg on June 02, 2014, 08:43:52 AM

I would like to think they are smarter then that, and if WW3 breaks out see you Holland im off to Aruba!!!

Lol... what makes you think that Holland will be safe in the event of a likely World War? The Netherlands is a full-fledged member of NATO. Aruba is a colony of the Netherlands, and therefore it too comes under the NATO umbrella.

Yeah but even the smallest of tactical nukes or a bunkerbuster dropped onto one of the dikes and The Netherlands becomes a glorified swamp.

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

If anyone is stupid enough to make a nuclear first strike it will be North Korea, Pakistan, or India. I was going to include Israel, but they are more likely to use chemical.

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