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Quote from: xzone on January 10, 2024, 08:36:09 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on January 09, 2024, 04:24:03 PM

I was surprised that Beşiktaş won so differently. Rizespor is a team that has been in form in recent weeks and scoring 4 goals against Rizespoar really surprised me.
I think this win boosted their morale.

Beşiktaş scored more goals than it has scored in a long time. I was very happy about this because Beşiktaş had lost a lot of points in recent weeks. Rizespor is also in a very good ranking in the league and they have not been able to take advantage of many opportunities in recent weeks.
Since the strengths of the teams were close to each other, a critical match was left behind for both teams. The motivation of Beşiktaş players will increase, it was a good result for them

Beşiktaş scored 4 goals in a league game for the first time this season, they have never scored 4 goals in a game before.

I wonder what Fernando Santos will do in Beşiktaş. He is an experienced coach and someone who has worked with great players.

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Quote from: MK-74 on January 09, 2024, 04:24:03 PM

I was surprised that Beşiktaş won so differently. Rizespor is a team that has been in form in recent weeks and scoring 4 goals against Rizespoar really surprised me.
I think this win boosted their morale.

Beşiktaş scored more goals than it has scored in a long time. I was very happy about this because Beşiktaş had lost a lot of points in recent weeks. Rizespor is also in a very good ranking in the league and they have not been able to take advantage of many opportunities in recent weeks.
Since the strengths of the teams were close to each other, a critical match was left behind for both teams. The motivation of Beşiktaş players will increase, it was a good result for them

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I think Leonardo Bonucci is the name Fenerbahçe defense is looking for.
Even if Bonucci is 36 years old, he can easily play in the Turkish League. He has this talent and experience in abundance.
The biggest advantage he will bring to F.Bahçe is his ability to pass from defense. My biggest fear and biggest disadvantage is that when the opponents of the Fenerbahçe team, which plays offensive football, attack with a counter attack, Bonucci will be slow due to his age.
He is a football player who is already ready. He will not be able to make it to the Konya match to be played this evening, and will take his place on the field away at Gaziantepspor on Sunday of the weekend.

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Pendikspor lost 1-0 to Antalyaspor.Antalyaspor, who won the away match with a goal scored by Bahadır Öztürk in the 19th minute, did not play very well.Pendikspor played better throughout the match but could not get points at home.Antalyaspor could not be expected to get used to the football that Sergen Yalçın wanted to play immediately, but I think they are slowly starting to adapt.
The Alanyaspor-Ankaragücü match ended in a 1-1 draw.Both teams had problems in finding scoring positions but Ankaragücü, who were down to 10 men towards the end of the first half, fell behind with Balkovec's goal at the beginning of the second half.Leroy Fer received a red card in the 59th minute and the equalizer was drawn.Radakovic scored the decisive goal to earn a draw in this difficult away match.

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Quote from: bitgolden on January 09, 2024, 03:28:22 PM

Nuri Sahin was a Dortmund player anyway, and he did his best there, and I think he will definitely be a great manager there too. When a player who was part of a team comes bac kas a manager ,he knows a lot of people there, not sure if any players from his time are left, I doubt that, but I think the office workers could be the same, from all the way up from General manager to the kit man, those non-footballer positions could be same, including plenty of staff.

That means, he is getting into familiar territory and that would definitely be something that could benefit them, it should be the most important part in the end. I believe that we could make it work one way or another, and should consider him bringing glory back to the team given enough time.

I have honestly not seen enough from him as a coach to actually say whether he is going to do good or not. But I know that he was a player for Dortmund and he was also a player for Real Madrid. Don't remember much of him from Real Madrid, to be honest. But I hope he will be able to do better with Dortmund as a coach. I do not know if this decision from talking to us actually good or not. But it was definitely a bold move. Because Dortmund has not been doing well recently. They needed a change. And I hope this change is going to have a positive effect on their performance.

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I was surprised that Beşiktaş won so differently. Rizespor is a team that has been in form in recent weeks and scoring 4 goals against Rizespoar really surprised me.
I think this win boosted their morale.

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Quote from: bitgolden on January 09, 2024, 03:28:22 PM

Nuri Sahin was a Dortmund player anyway, and he did his best there, and I think he will definitely be a great manager there too. When a player who was part of a team comes bac kas a manager ,he knows a lot of people there, not sure if any players from his time are left, I doubt that, but I think the office workers could be the same, from all the way up from General manager to the kit man, those non-footballer positions could be same, including plenty of staff.

That means, he is getting into familiar territory and that would definitely be something that could benefit them, it should be the most important part in the end. I believe that we could make it work one way or another, and should consider him bringing glory back to the team given enough time.

He played with Marco Reus at Borussia Dortmund. Anyway, Marco Reus is one of the few footballers who remains loyal to Borussia Dortmund. Nuri Sahin will probably be the head coach at Borussia Dortmund when the time comes. Right now he is assistant coach. I expect him to be the head coach next season. In Turkey, he had very good stats at Antalyaspor. He turned Antalyaspor into a good team. Someone who does well in small teams can do better in big teams. That's why I have high expectations for Nuri Sahin.

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Nuri Sahin was a Dortmund player anyway, and he did his best there, and I think he will definitely be a great manager there too. When a player who was part of a team comes bac kas a manager ,he knows a lot of people there, not sure if any players from his time are left, I doubt that, but I think the office workers could be the same, from all the way up from General manager to the kit man, those non-footballer positions could be same, including plenty of staff.

That means, he is getting into familiar territory and that would definitely be something that could benefit them, it should be the most important part in the end. I believe that we could make it work one way or another, and should consider him bringing glory back to the team given enough time.

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Actually I was waiting a match just like that. Beşiktaş always beat Rizespor, this wouldn't change at the worst times. Clean sheet is important, despite 27 shots. Beşiktaş scored more than two goals for the first time in league. The real problem was that, they should score way more in games. Çaykur Rizespor had a 7-game unbeaten run but that had to end, this was a perfect timing. My expectation was over 2.5 goals and Beşiktaş win, both came with 0-4 score.
Semih Kılıçsoy is the man of the match. We wait more goals from him. The assist was more special though, because sometimes he's so selfish. He created the goal for Cenk. Both players should score more goals in the league. Beşiktaş need %100 of their potential to use.

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Quote from: ajanwalker on January 09, 2024, 01:54:13 PM

What happened to Beşiktaş team? They were ahead 0-2 against Rizespor, who were in good form, and ended the first half ahead 0-2.
They haven't even trained with Fernando Santos yet and they haven't received anything in terms of tactics, but Beşiktaş is ahead 0-2.
So some things are completely psychological. Because the players are trying to win the favor of the new coach.
I think this is a temporary thing and Rizespor will finish the worst match with a draw in the second half.
The team that played the ball the most was Rizespor as of the first half. If Rizespor scores an early goal in the second half, they will participate in the match.

Semih Kılıçsoy, who plays as Beşiktaş's left wing forward, draws attention. He scored a goal in the Kasımpaşa match and was the star of his team. He scored a goal in the first half today.
He is only 18 years old and can use both feet. If he continues like this, he can easily be transferred to big teams in Europe.

Rizespor was better in the first half, but Beşiktaş scored the goals in the first half.

Rizespor has been playing very well in the last few weeks. They didn't have any missing players in this game, they played with a full squad. Beşiktaş had lost a lot of points in the last weeks and their performance was very bad. I think everyone expected Rizespor to win this match, but Beşiktaş managed to score two goals in the first half even though they couldn't find a clear goal position.

By the way, Beşiktaş had an xg* ratio of 0.4 in the first half. It is really a miracle that they scored 2 goals with this ratio.

* https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/08/what-is-expected-goals-xg/

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To be fair the game is not over yet and the "possibility" of Besiktas getting a tie or a loss is still there, and not impossible. But if we were to talk about the first half, which could be one of the best that they had, it could be mainly because of who they are playing as well. The squad has a good chunk of players that are doing fine, and its actually a good idea to build the roster like this, Santos may not ended up with some training, but he watched the team and most of the players, even including a few training footage as well, and plenty of games. So he knew the players and who should play where and do what, he knew the strengths and the weaknesses, so all of that helped. And yes, I agree psychology helps, they can't fire Santos as well, they need to wait at least until the end of the season, so the players used to think "all the blame would go to the manager that will be fired anyway" before Santos, but now they know Santos will stay until the summer, so they are thinking "if I don't play well, Santos stays anyway, so I will be one to be blamed" and playing better.

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Quote from: ajanwalker on January 09, 2024, 01:54:13 PM

What happened to Beşiktaş team? They were ahead 0-2 against Rizespor, who were in good form, and ended the first half ahead 0-2.
They haven't even trained with Fernando Santos yet and they haven't received anything in terms of tactics, but Beşiktaş is ahead 0-2.
So some things are completely psychological. Because the players are trying to win the favor of the new coach.
I think this is a temporary thing and Rizespor will finish the worst match with a draw in the second half.
The team that played the ball the most was Rizespor as of the first half. If Rizespor scores an early goal in the second half, they will participate in the match.

Semih Kılıçsoy, who plays as Beşiktaş's left wing forward, draws attention. He scored a goal in the Kasımpaşa match and was the star of his team. He scored a goal in the first half today.
He is only 18 years old and can use both feet. If he continues like this, he can easily be transferred to big teams in Europe.

A new coach always brings something fresh. Dosent matter if they trained some tactics. Besiktas is playing really good in a really hard away game and is leading 0-2 at halftime and this is a huge result for them. I dont think Rizespor can comeback from this but we seen Besiktas this year that they drop leads always.

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Fernando Santos is a quite successful coach in his career so far. I mean he won Euro 2016 and the Nations League in 2019 with Portugal. Now he is managing Besiktas and I'm really wondering how good he will manage the team. It is the first time he is managing a Turkish team of course but if he adapts quickly he can do really nice things with Besiktas.

He is already doing quite well in his first match right now indeed. But Besiktas need to be aware in the second half as well to maintain this score advantage. It is too difficult for them to be a part of the race for the league title maybe but they can at least secure the 3rd spot.

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What happened to Beşiktaş team? They were ahead 0-2 against Rizespor, who were in good form, and ended the first half ahead 0-2.
They haven't even trained with Fernando Santos yet and they haven't received anything in terms of tactics, but Beşiktaş is ahead 0-2.
So some things are completely psychological. Because the players are trying to win the favor of the new coach.
I think this is a temporary thing and Rizespor will finish the worst match with a draw in the second half.
The team that played the ball the most was Rizespor as of the first half. If Rizespor scores an early goal in the second half, they will participate in the match.

Semih Kılıçsoy, who plays as Beşiktaş's left wing forward, draws attention. He scored a goal in the Kasımpaşa match and was the star of his team. He scored a goal in the first half today.
He is only 18 years old and can use both feet. If he continues like this, he can easily be transferred to big teams in Europe.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on January 08, 2024, 08:56:09 AM

The top two team had final match for Week 19 and they managed to win their respective matches.
Fenerbahce had 5 - 1 win over İstanbulspor who were the bottom team and Galatasaray managed to win 3 - 0 over Konyaspor, from this victory they again got the same points.
In the Turkish Super League it is clear that the title holder for this season will only be contested by Fenerbahce and Galatasaray, there is no chance for another tick to follow or surpass the points they have achieved so far.
They each have 47 points, while Trabzonspor, who is ranked 3rd can only have 33 points difference of 14 points which is an unreasonable number if they are superior.

The 16th match, which was postponed due to an incident some time ago, will start tomorrow and of course this will be quite fierce match because competition for points is once again presented.
But I sure that each match that will be played by Fenerbahce and Galatasaray will definitely end in victory so that they can get the same points again, only Fenerbahce is superior in terms of goals scored.

The top two Turkish League teams had a favourable game last weekend with the both of them taking off the complete 3 points for the game with good goal margins too. The confidence of these teams is the fact that either home or away, they've got the biggest odds to winning every of their league games even though sometimes the victory isn't always guaranteed. These sides are good at what they do and they did not also let any factor deprive them of the strength out into the game.

Galatasaray now has just the Turkish League race to focus on having been knocked out of the Champions league and it's an advantage for them to build up enough capacity to stay out at their top spot and for Fernabache, the struggle is up and they're definitely up to whatsoever task put before them too. Both teams were confident in winning their games last weekend with good goal margins which only means that they're satisfyingly impressive in their progresses. These two teams have always been an upper hand in the league and maybe it'll be repeated this season as well.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on January 09, 2024, 12:39:21 AM

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Today, in 10 hours, we will start a new week.
The week will start with Pendikspor-Antalyaspor and Alanyaspor-Ankaragücü matches.The Sergen Yalçın era has officially started at Antalyaspor and I expect Antalyaspor to regain their old form.Pendikspor will still score at home against Antalyaspor but I doubt they can win this match.
Alanyaspor are unbeaten in recent weeks and have been undefeated for 6 weeks.Ankaragücü lost to Trabzonspor 3 days ago and ended their good run.It seems likely that both teams will score goals in this match.It will be a difficult match for both teams.

Antalyaspor was actually on form even before Nuri Şahin left. So I am actually wondering influence of Sergen Yalçın on team. I am pretty sure he reviewed team long before he officially became manager but his playstyle will be much different than Nuri Şahin (his playstyle was very controlled/stable type). Sergen may have intensely explosive strategies of typical Turkish football. Nuri was coming from German football background so many things will be different.

Nuri Sahin has shown a good development process, but I think Antalyaspor is not a place where he can show his talents.That's why he wanted to take advantage of the chance to return to Borussia Dortmund.Sergen Yalcin is an experienced coach who knows the league.He has some rules and knowledge about the team.Of course, it will take some time for Antalyaspor's players to reach the level that Sergen Yalcin wants at the moment, and one of the people who should make the best use of this time is Sergen Yalcin.It is in his hands to shorten it.

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Quote from: execijutiere on January 08, 2024, 11:30:49 PM

Today, in 10 hours, we will start a new week.
The week will start with Pendikspor-Antalyaspor and Alanyaspor-Ankaragücü matches.The Sergen Yalçın era has officially started at Antalyaspor and I expect Antalyaspor to regain their old form.Pendikspor will still score at home against Antalyaspor but I doubt they can win this match.
Alanyaspor are unbeaten in recent weeks and have been undefeated for 6 weeks.Ankaragücü lost to Trabzonspor 3 days ago and ended their good run.It seems likely that both teams will score goals in this match.It will be a difficult match for both teams.

Antalyaspor was actually on form even before Nuri Şahin left. So I am actually wondering influence of Sergen Yalçın on team. I am pretty sure he reviewed team long before he officially became manager but his playstyle will be much different than Nuri Şahin (his playstyle was very controlled/stable type). Sergen may have intensely explosive strategies of typical Turkish football. Nuri was coming from German football background so many things will be different.

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Today, in 10 hours, we will start a new week.
The week will start with Pendikspor-Antalyaspor and Alanyaspor-Ankaragücü matches.The Sergen Yalçın era has officially started at Antalyaspor and I expect Antalyaspor to regain their old form.Pendikspor will still score at home against Antalyaspor but I doubt they can win this match.
Alanyaspor are unbeaten in recent weeks and have been undefeated for 6 weeks.Ankaragücü lost to Trabzonspor 3 days ago and ended their good run.It seems likely that both teams will score goals in this match.It will be a difficult match for both teams.

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To summarize Cengiz Ünder's performance against İstanbulspor it might be the only match in which he showed his real quality so far. Normally he is a great player for European football. He was doing really nice things while he was playing for Roma for example. He was great at Marseille as well. Therefore the expectations were really high from him when he joined Fenerbahçe after that.

I liked especially one of his goals in the İstanbulspor match which was a shot taken quite far away.

I hope that he can maintain this ambition because would really make use of it while challenging for the Super League title against Galatasaray.

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Quote from: Dzigie on January 08, 2024, 03:30:53 PM

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Cengiz Ünder played a big role in winning the match with a performance that surprised everyone. Cengiz Ünder scored 4 goals in total and hopefully this was the match where he started to return to his old form. Cengiz Ünder scored 3 goals in the first half and at the very beginning of the second half he scored 1 more goal to decide the score of the match.I think Fenerbahçe could have scored more goals but I must say that after 5-1 they got a bit complacent.From this moment on there was a lack of performance and I can say that the game was over after the substitutions.

Cengiz Ünder played a great game in this match, but I wish he can spread this performance throughout the season. After scoring 4 goals in this match, if he doesn't score any goals for 5 weeks, the 4 goals he scored in this match won't mean anything. I think he needs to mentally adapt to Fenerbahçe now. I liked Livakovic's performance in this match. Fenerbahçe gives too many chances to their opponents because of their defensive problems. Livakovic is under pressure every game but he plays with very few mistakes.

Well of course he played a very big role in that match for Fenerbahce to win. Because he was able to score four goals by himself. And the whole thing was able to score five goals. So he was the backbone of the win for Fenerbahce in this match. But I have to say this match was easy for them because after all, they were going up against the team that is absolutely at the bottom of the table.

So I don't think anyone actually expected anything else from them in this match. The result was expected. But the performance from Cengiz ünder was exceptional.

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