Turkish Super League 2023/24 Season - page 62.

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Quote from: Dzigie on January 01, 2024, 11:07:21 AM

Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on January 01, 2024, 06:51:16 AM

According to media reports, Galatasaray are preparing to part ways with Hakim Ziyech. He had joined the squad from Chelsea at the beginning of the season for free. He made very important contributions in some matches. Especially in the Champions League he scored two great goals against Manchester United. But he spent most of the season with the excuse of injury. He is a great talent. But he failed to adapt to Galatasaray. We have to sign a player who will contribute more to the team in the second half of the season.

Since his days at Ajax, Hakim Ziyech has been a very good player that's been very impressive as his presence in any club he's played for can not be over emphasized. It was his electrifying and captivating style of football at Ajax that made Chelsea to sign him and when he got to Chelsea, he had an instant impact as he helped the club to win the UEFA champions league trophy in his first season with the club. It was as a result of bad coaching at Chelsea last season that made the Moroccan to have a bad season at the club which made him to move to Galatasaray last summer. So if the club aren't okay with his services again, getting another club shouldn't be a big issue for Hakim Ziyech because he still possess all the attributes of a great player.

How that's he's above 30 years of age, I think it'll not be a bad idea to move to the Saudi Arabian league when he'll get juicy financial offers as an Arabian.

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Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on January 01, 2024, 06:51:16 AM

According to media reports, Galatasaray are preparing to part ways with Hakim Ziyech. He had joined the squad from Chelsea at the beginning of the season for free. He made very important contributions in some matches. Especially in the Champions League he scored two great goals against Manchester United. But he spent most of the season with the excuse of injury. He is a great talent. But he failed to adapt to Galatasaray. We have to sign a player who will contribute more to the team in the second half of the season.

Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray ended 2023 with 44 points each. The two teams have 14 wins, 2 draws and only 1 defeat this season. They finished the first half of the season with very few mistakes. However, I think they will make more mistakes in the second half of the season because the schedule has been tough for both teams in recent matches. They have to spend the transfer window well to minimize these mistakes. In Fenerbahçe, Batshuayi, Zajc, Crespo, Kent and Henrique did not contribute in the first half of the season. It would be wise for us to replace them with better players in the second half of the season.

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We are starting the year with surprising news for me. Josef de Souza was playing in China, he returned to Türkiye with the news announced today. Josef de Souza, who signed a 1.5-year contract with Başakşehir, left Türkiye for a ridiculous reason. Last season, Josef was punished for stopping a hooligan who jumped onto the field and tried to beat the referee. Josef, who was punished instead of being rewarded, left the country saying football cannot be played in such an environment. It was strange that he was back here again, and in such a short time. I wish him success, but it is Başakşehir, not like Beşiktaş. Don't forget this.

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Quote from: LGD2Business on January 01, 2024, 07:33:10 AM

After Nuri Şahin left his job and went to Borussia Dortmund, Sergen Yalçın was appointed as the new manager of Antalyaspor. Sergen Yalçın is a successful manager who previously won the championship with Beşiktaş. He is someone who has coached many Anatolian clubs, but has never served in any club for a long time. I think he will be successful in Antalyaspor, but I'm not sure how long he will serve.

Maybe previously Sergen Yalçın has previously succeeded in bringing success to Besiktas and it is hoped that in the future he can replace Nuri Şahin and can bring Antalyaspor to achievements in the form of championship title.
But I not sure that Sergen Yalçın can bring change in the near future.
After all, he only serves as temporary coach and if there is no good development then there is possibility that Antalyaspor will look for new coach to replace Sergen Yalçın, but still he is great coach and really has lot of experience.

Antalyaspor currently occupies 8th position in the standings and if this season Antalyaspor can occupy the top 4 ranking when the season ends then that will be the start of extraordinary success.
It is possible that next season Antalyaspor and Sergen Yalçın will have even better achievements so that he will be considered worthy coach for Antalyaspor.

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Quote from: MK-74 on January 01, 2024, 08:46:04 AM

Sergen Yalçın returned to coaching after a long break. He can do successful things with Antalyaspor, I think Antalyaspor has a strong team.
It was very good for him not to go to Beşiktaş at this time.

His name was actually called with Besiktas also before agreeing with Antalyaspor. Grin

But Besiktas are said to have reached a principle agreement with Bruno Genesio already. It is good for them to not go around the same managers all the time. Change is good. Maybe he can adapt to Turkish football nicely and make the team more successful.

But normally if you ask me I would favour Turkish managers for Turkish teams. Because it is really difficult to find the right foreign manager. Adana Demirspor did a good job with that previously by bringing Montella but it doesn't always happen. Sad

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Sergen Yalçın returned to coaching after a long break. He can do successful things with Antalyaspor, I think Antalyaspor has a strong team.
It was very good for him not to go to Beşiktaş at this time.

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Quote from: LGD2Business on January 01, 2024, 07:33:10 AM

After Nuri Şahin left his job and went to Borussia Dortmund, Sergen Yalçın was appointed as the new manager of Antalyaspor. Sergen Yalçın is a successful manager who previously won the championship with Beşiktaş. He is someone who has coached many Anatolian clubs, but has never served in any club for a long time. I think he will be successful in Antalyaspor, but I'm not sure how long he will serve.

I find these news very interesting. Already, Nuri Şahin is actually very young. He is only 35 years old, for example he is 4 years younger than Lebron James and Nuri has been coaching for some time now. And not only he was a coach for a Super League team, but he is going to a huge team in Bundesliga. Of course it is his old club where he is a legend. I cannot help but fascinated by this. And also news about Sergen Yalçın is also very interesting. Yes, he coached a lot of Anatolian teams but most recently he was the coach of Beşiktaş. He didn't need to go to Anatolian clubs now, and even Beşiktaş needs a coach now and there were news about Beşiktaş was interested in him. That's why it is interesting that he went to Antalyaspor. But generally, things are good for Antalyaspor. They obviously have a vision, we can expect good things for them in the coming years.

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Quote from: Ondekinecakabilirim on January 01, 2024, 06:51:16 AM

According to media reports, Galatasaray are preparing to part ways with Hakim Ziyech. He had joined the squad from Chelsea at the beginning of the season for free. He made very important contributions in some matches. Especially in the Champions League he scored two great goals against Manchester United. But he spent most of the season with the excuse of injury. He is a great talent. But he failed to adapt to Galatasaray. We have to sign a player who will contribute more to the team in the second half of the season.

Actually, he's not playing badly, but I guess he just can't get used to it here. Fans' expectations from a world-class player are always high. We could not see him on the field much in regular league matches. Of course, he may have health problems due to his advanced age.
He told his manager that he wanted to leave and he will not stay in this team any longer. It is said that Roma and Al Nassr want to buy this player

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After Nuri Şahin left his job and went to Borussia Dortmund, Sergen Yalçın was appointed as the new manager of Antalyaspor. Sergen Yalçın is a successful manager who previously won the championship with Beşiktaş. He is someone who has coached many Anatolian clubs, but has never served in any club for a long time. I think he will be successful in Antalyaspor, but I'm not sure how long he will serve.

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According to media reports, Galatasaray are preparing to part ways with Hakim Ziyech. He had joined the squad from Chelsea at the beginning of the season for free. He made very important contributions in some matches. Especially in the Champions League he scored two great goals against Manchester United. But he spent most of the season with the excuse of injury. He is a great talent. But he failed to adapt to Galatasaray. We have to sign a player who will contribute more to the team in the second half of the season.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on December 30, 2023, 10:00:12 AM

Quote from: el kaka22 on December 29, 2023, 10:55:50 PM

With this new Saudi deal, the whole nation is on riot right now, twitter is filled with Arabic and Turkish people fighting each other. The game was suppose to happen at Saudi Arabia, but there were some disagreements regarding national values.

There was no flag or national anthem allowed and obviously that wasn't acceptable, which is understandable, who wouldn't let two Turkish teams start the game with the Turkish anthem, that's ludacris. In the end, the game got cancelled, I have no idea if it was postponed or cancelled but one good thing is that the bets were voided already, which means that I already got my bet back, and as long as I keep getting my bets back this quickly, I am fine with them cancelling if they didn't want to play.

I can't believe there was terrible crisis happened before match even started. I think both Saudi Arabian organizator and Turkish football federation made numerous mistakes yesterday that caused match to be cancelled. When you receive visitor to your country you should definitely act accordingly to their demand. Turkish fans are very intense and they love to use national symbols and sayings at tribune. If you don't like it then, do not even invite Turkish clubs. I hope match will be totally cancelled and cup will be shared by both teams.

I was disappointed with Turkish and Saudi football authorities for the very poor preparation by the two nations that resulted to the crises that led to the cancellation of the Super Cup match match between Galatasaray and Fenerbahce.
I'm sure the two football authorities knows the importance of that very particular encounter and shoulda provided enough preparation that would've kept the who fans in other bu the failed to do that and unfortunately for football fans across the globe, it caused us the Turkish super Cup

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Quote from: beerlover on December 31, 2023, 11:12:31 AM

Quote from: temple on December 30, 2023, 07:16:55 PM

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Quote from: temple on December 29, 2023, 07:19:24 PM

I have just read about this. Is this even for real? I am trying to understand what's going on, but why would the teams accept all the hassle, travel to Saudi Arabia to then find out that they end up disagreeing with the hosts about some arrangements to then fly home again? Wasn't there some warning in advance or some discussion about how the game was supposed to be played? I wonder how many fans travelled there from Turkey, paid for the hotel, perhaps planned a little trip for New Year's Eve.

Yes, that's real. That happened last night. After the disagreement, both teams didn't even go to the stadium. We don't know the details and exactly what kind of bargain was made there. However, we only know what is reflected in the media. Reportedly, there was a dispute with the Saudi authorities regarding the t-shirts the teams would wear during warm-up and the banner they would carry on the field.
It was an interesting night for Turkish football. I'm not sure how this will reflect on the league. It shouldn't affect the players much, but it could affect the federation and officials. There was talk of the resignation of the federation president, but there is no official statement yet.

But what I don't understand is why would the Saudi Professional League officials care about those t-shirts? I get that all these political signals are not allowed and that there are disagreements about the separation of the state and religion and so on. But the Saudi officials could have just called the FIFA and make sure that the Turkish teams get a penalty IF it wasn't allowed to do that. I don't know if it was prohibited what they had in mind, but if it was, just ignore it, let them play and let the FIFA handle the case. That's how it should be. Saudi Arabia has to get more easy going as they will soon be the hosts of the World Cup. They should grow a thicker skin.

I am guessing that it is not about the shirts, but more regarding what is allowed and what is not allowed being risky waters to talk about. If you let one team do whatever they want without caring about what is allowed, then next time another team plays, they will ask for more as well, then another team will ask even more, and eventually you will have chaos in your hands.

They have talked specifically about the fact that even in a full dictatorship (king literally OWNS the people, it is north Korea levels of dictatorship there) and even he doesn't get to be pictured at the games, they are trying to be the most secular nation in the entire world when it comes to football, and no matter how much you love someone, you can't just bring him in this game.

But isn't that what the FIFA is for? We are still talking about t-shirts in my opinion. First of all who the heck cares whether they want to celebrate the 100-year existence of their country by wearing a t-shirt of the back then president who fostered separation of the church and the state? Really, really nobody cares actually. But if this is recognized as a political slogan, which is not allowed as per the FIFA rules, why don't they give authority to the FIFA association to take appropriate action? That's what I don't understand and saying that they don't trust the FIFA is bullshit, they were just nominated as the host for the 2034 World Cup. Can't be too bad of a relationship.

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Quote from: temple on December 30, 2023, 07:16:55 PM

Quote from: ingiltere on December 30, 2023, 05:38:05 PM

Quote from: temple on December 29, 2023, 07:19:24 PM

I have just read about this. Is this even for real? I am trying to understand what's going on, but why would the teams accept all the hassle, travel to Saudi Arabia to then find out that they end up disagreeing with the hosts about some arrangements to then fly home again? Wasn't there some warning in advance or some discussion about how the game was supposed to be played? I wonder how many fans travelled there from Turkey, paid for the hotel, perhaps planned a little trip for New Year's Eve.

Yes, that's real. That happened last night. After the disagreement, both teams didn't even go to the stadium. We don't know the details and exactly what kind of bargain was made there. However, we only know what is reflected in the media. Reportedly, there was a dispute with the Saudi authorities regarding the t-shirts the teams would wear during warm-up and the banner they would carry on the field.
It was an interesting night for Turkish football. I'm not sure how this will reflect on the league. It shouldn't affect the players much, but it could affect the federation and officials. There was talk of the resignation of the federation president, but there is no official statement yet.

But what I don't understand is why would the Saudi Professional League officials care about those t-shirts? I get that all these political signals are not allowed and that there are disagreements about the separation of the state and religion and so on. But the Saudi officials could have just called the FIFA and make sure that the Turkish teams get a penalty IF it wasn't allowed to do that. I don't know if it was prohibited what they had in mind, but if it was, just ignore it, let them play and let the FIFA handle the case. That's how it should be. Saudi Arabia has to get more easy going as they will soon be the hosts of the World Cup. They should grow a thicker skin.

I am guessing that it is not about the shirts, but more regarding what is allowed and what is not allowed being risky waters to talk about. If you let one team do whatever they want without caring about what is allowed, then next time another team plays, they will ask for more as well, then another team will ask even more, and eventually you will have chaos in your hands.

They have talked specifically about the fact that even in a full dictatorship (king literally OWNS the people, it is north Korea levels of dictatorship there) and even he doesn't get to be pictured at the games, they are trying to be the most secular nation in the entire world when it comes to football, and no matter how much you love someone, you can't just bring him in this game.

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Quote from: trendcoin on December 31, 2023, 05:56:43 AM

This is not right. They allowed Turkish flags and the national anthem, but not photos of Atatürk, the founder of the country. So, The Arab Football Federation applied the rules of the International Football Association.

Where are you from? I think you're Spanish. Do you remember going to a cup match wearing a shirt with Franco's picture on it? The Spanish teams will play their finals in Arabia for the next 6 years. Do you think they will play with shirts with Franco's picture on them? The answer to that question is of course no. Some things that are abnormal in the world are ordinary and mandatory in my country. That's why we face some problems in global organizations. Prince Salman is one of the dictators I hate the most, but the decision of the Arab Football Federation is right. Unfortunately, Arabs are more modern than us in this regard.

Somethings are not meant to be debated about because we’ve got to put the country forward in football and not the founder of the country. So why the sudden change is just like a country heading out and taking the picture of their Colonial Masters into the World Cup than their traditional national colour which has its meaning, it doesn't make any sense

So I think the Footballing agency in charge there should help the football community effect the necessary changes rather than let a dictator takeover the affairs of football which have its own supreme body.Dictatorship is a no in football and would be fought against, there are some certain rules that's been laid and are bound to be kept, well I think the FIFA body needs to look into the issue and handle the situation properly, so as to let those dictators be guided.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on December 29, 2023, 10:55:50 PM

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There was no flag or national anthem allowed and obviously that wasn't acceptable, which is understandable, who wouldn't let two Turkish teams start the game with the Turkish anthem, that's ludacris. In the end, the game got cancelled, I have no idea if it was postponed or cancelled but one good thing is that the bets were voided already, which means that I already got my bet back, and as long as I keep getting my bets back this quickly, I am fine with them cancelling if they didn't want to play.

This is not right. They allowed Turkish flags and the national anthem, but not photos of Atatürk, the founder of the country. So, The Arab Football Federation applied the rules of the International Football Association.

Where are you from? I think you're Spanish. Do you remember going to a cup match wearing a shirt with Franco's picture on it? The Spanish teams will play their finals in Arabia for the next 6 years. Do you think they will play with shirts with Franco's picture on them? The answer to that question is of course no. Some things that are abnormal in the world are ordinary and mandatory in my country. That's why we face some problems in global organizations. Prince Salman is one of the dictators I hate the most, but the decision of the Arab Football Federation is right. Unfortunately, Arabs are more modern than us in this regard.

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I feel like it's a bit wrong on both sides, if Saudi Arabians do not want this kind of things, they should not agree to get the game on their stadium, and if Turkish teams want certain things that are not allowed, then they should not agree to go there. In the end, it's a national pride thing apparently, and maybe not that many nations do this, but Turkey does, it's known, even in UCL and other European competitions they have done this, so there is nothing wrong with that at all.

I believe that if you are inviting a Turkish team, you should be ready to get some decent national symbols all over, unlike some other nations. La liga has their games there too, never seen them care about their national pride at all, they just want to play football, they do not care about anything else. Every culture is different, and some cultures just clash and not really fit each other, it is always obvious that Saudi culture and Turkish culture would not fit very well, and we have seen the results of that.

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Quote from: ingiltere on December 30, 2023, 05:38:05 PM

Quote from: temple on December 29, 2023, 07:19:24 PM

I have just read about this. Is this even for real? I am trying to understand what's going on, but why would the teams accept all the hassle, travel to Saudi Arabia to then find out that they end up disagreeing with the hosts about some arrangements to then fly home again? Wasn't there some warning in advance or some discussion about how the game was supposed to be played? I wonder how many fans travelled there from Turkey, paid for the hotel, perhaps planned a little trip for New Year's Eve.

Yes, that's real. That happened last night. After the disagreement, both teams didn't even go to the stadium. We don't know the details and exactly what kind of bargain was made there. However, we only know what is reflected in the media. Reportedly, there was a dispute with the Saudi authorities regarding the t-shirts the teams would wear during warm-up and the banner they would carry on the field.
It was an interesting night for Turkish football. I'm not sure how this will reflect on the league. It shouldn't affect the players much, but it could affect the federation and officials. There was talk of the resignation of the federation president, but there is no official statement yet.

But what I don't understand is why would the Saudi Professional League officials care about those t-shirts? I get that all these political signals are not allowed and that there are disagreements about the separation of the state and religion and so on. But the Saudi officials could have just called the FIFA and make sure that the Turkish teams get a penalty IF it wasn't allowed to do that. I don't know if it was prohibited what they had in mind, but if it was, just ignore it, let them play and let the FIFA handle the case. That's how it should be. Saudi Arabia has to get more easy going as they will soon be the hosts of the World Cup. They should grow a thicker skin.

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The excitement in the Super League will continue with the matches to be played on Friday. Beşiktaş cannot show the performance it wants this year. They fell well below expectations. Still, they want to be included in the race to go to the European cups next year. They will play against Kasımpaşa this week. I think they will be closer to victory against Kasımpaşa. It will be their first match with new coach Genesio. I hope they win.

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Quote from: temple on December 29, 2023, 07:19:24 PM

I have just read about this. Is this even for real? I am trying to understand what's going on, but why would the teams accept all the hassle, travel to Saudi Arabia to then find out that they end up disagreeing with the hosts about some arrangements to then fly home again? Wasn't there some warning in advance or some discussion about how the game was supposed to be played? I wonder how many fans travelled there from Turkey, paid for the hotel, perhaps planned a little trip for New Year's Eve.

Yes, that's real. That happened last night. After the disagreement, both teams didn't even go to the stadium. We don't know the details and exactly what kind of bargain was made there. However, we only know what is reflected in the media. Reportedly, there was a dispute with the Saudi authorities regarding the t-shirts the teams would wear during warm-up and the banner they would carry on the field.
It was an interesting night for Turkish football. I'm not sure how this will reflect on the league. It shouldn't affect the players much, but it could affect the federation and officials. There was talk of the resignation of the federation president, but there is no official statement yet.

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It looks like the TFF chairman Mehmet Büyükekşi doesn't have an intention to leave his job yet. I thought my source was telling the truth, anyways.

In my opinion football in Turkey is managed really badly. But TFF management just doesn't want to take responsibility about this. If people don't like your management style then you just leave your job to someone else. I believe we can surely find a better person to do the work as it should be. If the federation focuses on creating solutions to the obvious problems of Turkish football then we can at least start talking less about big mistakes.

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