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Quote from: milewilda on December 28, 2022, 04:05:45 PM

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on December 28, 2022, 12:34:23 PM

The reason is, in this thread there is no more detailed explanation regarding the boss' claim to the intern. in fact, we cannot draw conclusions based solely on a very short story. it is possible that the boss of the apprentice, had a big hand in the winnings obtained from the gambling won by the apprentice. notwithstanding, that the money at stake was purely that of the apprentice. however, because this story is short and does not provide detailed information.

So, it's hard to judge more objectively.

I couldn't agree more. Many questions will be raised up quickly because the story is too short and it's hard to give an opinion as there's so many elements lacking just like what you've said. The whole context will change if there's any words that will be added in the story, so same here, I cannot really judge about who is at fault. Is it the boss or the apprentice? OP should've shared more details regarding the 2nd story.

You are right on which it is really that hard to make out some suggestions or comments on a situation which it isnt really totally been pointed out on how the heck that boss is really that obliged to get some part of
his employees winning? If we do just simply talk about ethical things then you arent that obliged to get a portion of it even if you are the boss, its none of your business on what are the things that your employee
is dealing with.Even his your boss but you dont have the rights on asking up something which he do owns unless if he do owe some debt or loans then it is really just right to ask for that but
asking for some partition of winning is just really that no sense.

Seems that way. Reading the story will somehow make your eyebrows raise because it turns out that the boss was quite demanding, bossy and bully in the office especially after the fact that the one who won the bet worth 16 Million Naira is just an apprentice which gave him no choice but to give the boss's demands of 50-50.
Later on, you'd ask yourself some questions because somehow, it's too good to be true and honestly, nobody would demand something like that because the boss wasn't the one who bought the ticket. So, maybe the boss gave the apprentice some idea about his bets which turns out positive that's why a demand came out.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on October 20, 2022, 11:49:25 AM

First, in your opinion, what would be a reasonable amount to give his girlfriend? Second, assuming you were the apprentice in the story, would you abandon your training or would you have given in to the pressure to split the money with your boss?

Difficult questions to be answered, because even for law lawyers this is an answer that varies a lot from the personal interpretation of the case and the details of the circumstances.

In the first case, the right thing would be to give all the money to his girlfriend, after all, the man used money that was not his, did not warn (stole) and acted with extreme coldness when trying to return only the 10 thousand trying not to be noticed.
Obviously, the yield of this amount was the result of luck or the man's effort, so maybe he deserves some part, but in my opinion it would be less than 50%.

In the second question, obviously the apprentice should keep 100% of the profits, because he used knowledge he acquired, with his money and effort or luck. The boss doesn't deserve a penny.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on December 28, 2022, 11:01:39 AM

Regarding the stolen money from partner, it's not right to steal money, but it's not right either to demand a half or more than half of the winnings because you weren't the one who gambled. The much better situation would be given a portion of the winning prize, perhaps twice or thrice the money borrowed as a token. Criticize the act so that respect will still remain, then celebrate together. Since after all, they are still a couple.

When it comes to the first story I think that if things were managed a little bit differently a completely different outcome would have happened, but since this is not the case and most likely they are not a couple anymore due to the lack of trust between each other then the partner which got their money stolen is asking for so much more as a way to get revenge on the dishonest boyfriend, which is why the amount of money she wants is so high despite her contribution to the win.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 28, 2022, 01:04:07 PM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on December 28, 2022, 12:34:23 PM

The reason is, in this thread there is no more detailed explanation regarding the boss' claim to the intern. in fact, we cannot draw conclusions based solely on a very short story. it is possible that the boss of the apprentice, had a big hand in the winnings obtained from the gambling won by the apprentice. notwithstanding, that the money at stake was purely that of the apprentice. however, because this story is short and does not provide detailed information.

So, it's hard to judge more objectively.

I couldn't agree more. Many questions will be raised up quickly because the story is too short and it's hard to give an opinion as there's so many elements lacking just like what you've said. The whole context will change if there's any words that will be added in the story, so same here, I cannot really judge about who is at fault. Is it the boss or the apprentice? OP should've shared more details regarding the 2nd story.

You are right on which it is really that hard to make out some suggestions or comments on a situation which it isnt really totally been pointed out on how the heck that boss is really that obliged to get some part of
his employees winning? If we do just simply talk about ethical things then you arent that obliged to get a portion of it even if you are the boss, its none of your business on what are the things that your employee
is dealing with.Even his your boss but you dont have the rights on asking up something which he do owns unless if he do owe some debt or loans then it is really just right to ask for that but
asking for some partition of winning is just really that no sense.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on December 28, 2022, 12:34:23 PM

The reason is, in this thread there is no more detailed explanation regarding the boss' claim to the intern. in fact, we cannot draw conclusions based solely on a very short story. it is possible that the boss of the apprentice, had a big hand in the winnings obtained from the gambling won by the apprentice. notwithstanding, that the money at stake was purely that of the apprentice. however, because this story is short and does not provide detailed information.

So, it's hard to judge more objectively.

I couldn't agree more. Many questions will be raised up quickly because the story is too short and it's hard to give an opinion as there's so many elements lacking just like what you've said. The whole context will change if there's any words that will be added in the story, so same here, I cannot really judge about who is at fault. Is it the boss or the apprentice? OP should've shared more details regarding the 2nd story.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on December 28, 2022, 11:01:39 AM

I very much agree with this.

The scenario wherein the boss have so much guts to ask for a share when in fact he has no contribution to the bet made by his employee is pure greed. I see no reason why the employee should give him a portion of his prize aside from being given to wholeheartedly and not being told to do so. This is because all of the money that was gambled was the employee's fund in the first place. The boss didn't do something for them to win or whatever. Hence, he has no right to ask for a part of it, what more a half of it knowing he has no direct involvement aside from being the boss.

The reason is, in this thread there is no more detailed explanation regarding the boss' claim to the intern. in fact, we cannot draw conclusions based solely on a very short story. it is possible that the boss of the apprentice, had a big hand in the winnings obtained from the gambling won by the apprentice. notwithstanding, that the money at stake was purely that of the apprentice. however, because this story is short and does not provide detailed information.

So, it's hard to judge more objectively.

Quote from: AicecreaME on December 28, 2022, 11:01:39 AM

Regarding the stolen money from partner, it's not right to steal money, but it's not right either to demand a half or more than half of the winnings because you weren't the one who gambled. The much better situation would be given a portion of the winning prize, perhaps twice or thrice the money borrowed as a token. Criticize the act so that respect will still remain, then celebrate together. Since after all, they are still a couple.

Well, this story is a little unique but complicated and not as simple as you say. the problem is, the money used for gambling is the woman's money that the man stole. if only, the man had lost his bet. what is most likely to happen, whether the man will return the money to his girlfriend. we don't know for sure, because, if a gambler who has done everything including stealing for this hobby. chances are, he won't pay it if he loses the bet. but, if we refer to them as lovers. of course the fairest is to share a little more with the woman, because after all without the woman's money. the man will not get his victory.

apart from this story. as I said, that the essence of these two stories is how when greed overpowers the people involved in these stories.

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Quote from: klidex on December 27, 2022, 01:32:03 PM

In fact, it is not appropriate for the boss to ask for a 50-50 win split. What's more, the winnings and the money used belong to the apprentice himself.
If the apprentice loses, is the boss also willing to replace the money used for the bet by 50%.
So it can be concluded that the boss has no right to ask for even a cent of winnings from an apprentice.

That is very true. Only because the apprentice won the money the boss had the guts to ask for a 50% share.
We are sure that if he would have lost a big amount then his boss wouldn't have paid him half of what he has lost.
This is a good example and a really smart idea to show the boss his mistake.

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Regarding a man who has to give what his girlfriend asks for, of course there is some truth to this because a girlfriend is someone who can accompany and provide support for men.
What's more, a real man must be able to understand and must be able to make his partner happy.

It also depends on how close they are in their relationship. I mean people these days are in a casual relationship just for fun.
In this case, why would a person share his winnings with the other.
But if they are indeed very close and comfortable with each other then they won't even hesitate to share the winning amount.
It's just a matter of how good their understanding towards each other is.

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Quote from: Merit.s on December 17, 2022, 04:24:35 PM

It is not easy for you to split the win 50-50 with your boss,it is only a greedy boss that will demand for this. Was it his boss that gave him the money in which he used in gambling ? For peace to reign and to continue working with my boss,I might accept it. The boy should give his girlfriend what she demanded for,if not for her money he wouldn't have won the game that is to say that the money brought him good luck.

No, OP said it in the first post that the money belonged to the apprentice. In this case it's clear and simple - the boss has nothing to do with the win and he should not get anything from it.
Maybe if I was friends with him I'd give him a tip, buy him a gift or treat him to a meal, but I wouldn't share the win and by law I wouldn't have to.

The first situation is much more difficult as the money was borrowed. Technically the man shouldn't share the win because the girlfriend wasn't even there when he gambled and they had no written agreement before he went gambling.
Being in this situation I'd give her a bonus like return 2 times the borrowed money as a thank you. I'd say she brought me luck. He didn't give her anything and that made her angry.

I very much agree with this.

The scenario wherein the boss have so much guts to ask for a share when in fact he has no contribution to the bet made by his employee is pure greed. I see no reason why the employee should give him a portion of his prize aside from being given to wholeheartedly and not being told to do so. This is because all of the money that was gambled was the employee's fund in the first place. The boss didn't do something for them to win or whatever. Hence, he has no right to ask for a part of it, what more a half of it knowing he has no direct involvement aside from being the boss.

Regarding the stolen money from partner, it's not right to steal money, but it's not right either to demand a half or more than half of the winnings because you weren't the one who gambled. The much better situation would be given a portion of the winning prize, perhaps twice or thrice the money borrowed as a token. Criticize the act so that respect will still remain, then celebrate together. Since after all, they are still a couple.

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Quote from: Renampun on December 27, 2022, 01:13:57 PM

1 naira = $ 0.02 which means the man won $ 223,898 and I think it is very natural for the woman to ask the man for more money because the initial capital of the man's victory came from the woman. that woman must fight for her rights.

I also agree with you and if that woman takes the case to court I'm sure that in court it will be the judge's understanding that the man pays the woman 40% - 50% of the earnings and another point is that I think the woman shouldn't be with that anymore man, even though he won, that doesn't change the fact that he did something wrong, which was taking money without authorization and taking it to the game of chance, that's something serious. one day he will take the money to eat and he will put it in the game of chance and he will make everyone starve, when a person starts taking money that does not belong to him and uses it for games of chance then that person is already addicted to games of chance

Quote from: Davidvictorson on October 20, 2022, 11:49:25 AM

that boss is a jerk, the apprentice must struggle to enjoy his own money, there is no reason for him to give half of his winnings to the boss where he is an apprentice, it is better for him to just leave the place where he is an apprentice because there are still many jobs he can get at out there.

this employee who agreed to give money to the boss is he guilty, what kind of person can he be so stupid? everyone knows that he has the right to use his own money, the boss has no right to anything, so this employee who gave money to the boss must have some kind of mental illness or else he is someone with a very low level of education because it is not normal that this employee does not know about labor laws and does not know his rights as a citizen and as an employee

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Quote from: Merit.s on December 17, 2022, 04:24:35 PM

It is not easy for you to split the win 50-50 with your boss,it is only a greedy boss that will demand for this. Was it his boss that gave him the money in which he used in gambling ? For peace to reign and to continue working with my boss,I might accept it. The boy should give his girlfriend what she demanded for,if not for her money he wouldn't have won the game that is to say that the money brought him good luck.

In fact, it is not appropriate for the boss to ask for a 50-50 win split. What's more, the winnings and the money used belong to the apprentice himself.
If the apprentice loses, is the boss also willing to replace the money used for the bet by 50%.
So it can be concluded that the boss has no right to ask for even a cent of winnings from an apprentice.

Regarding a man who has to give what his girlfriend asks for, of course there is some truth to this because a girlfriend is someone who can accompany and provide support for men.
What's more, a real man must be able to understand and must be able to make his partner happy.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on October 20, 2022, 11:49:25 AM

These are two gambling stories that are very interesting

Story 1
A man stole his girlfriend's 10k to place a bet. He won 100 million and returned 10k to his girlfriend. His girlfriend is furious and demands 40 million dollars.

*Read the full story here

1 naira = $ 0.02 which means the man won $ 223,898 and I think it is very natural for the woman to ask the man for more money because the initial capital of the man's victory came from the woman. that woman must fight for her rights.

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Story 2
An apprentice who won 16 million naira on BET was asked by his boss to split the money into two parts. This 50 - 50. As the story goes, people sided with his boss, and he had no choice but to comply. It's important to remember that the money used to bet belongs to the apprentice, not the boss.

*Read the different opinions of people here

that boss is a jerk, the apprentice must struggle to enjoy his own money, there is no reason for him to give half of his winnings to the boss where he is an apprentice, it is better for him to just leave the place where he is an apprentice because there are still many jobs he can get at out there.

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Quote from: Merit.s on December 17, 2022, 04:24:35 PM

It is not easy for you to split the win 50-50 with your boss,it is only a greedy boss that will demand for this. Was it his boss that gave him the money in which he used in gambling ? For peace to reign and to continue working with my boss,I might accept it. The boy should give his girlfriend what she demanded for,if not for her money he wouldn't have won the game that is to say that the money brought him good luck.

No, OP said it in the first post that the money belonged to the apprentice. In this case it's clear and simple - the boss has nothing to do with the win and he should not get anything from it.
Maybe if I was friends with him I'd give him a tip, buy him a gift or treat him to a meal, but I wouldn't share the win and by law I wouldn't have to.

The first situation is much more difficult as the money was borrowed. Technically the man shouldn't share the win because the girlfriend wasn't even there when he gambled and they had no written agreement before he went gambling.
Being in this situation I'd give her a bonus like return 2 times the borrowed money as a thank you. I'd say she brought me luck. He didn't give her anything and that made her angry.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on October 20, 2022, 11:49:25 AM

These are two gambling stories that are very interesting

Story 1
A man stole his girlfriend's 10k to place a bet. He won 100 million and returned 10k to his girlfriend. His girlfriend is furious and demands 40 million dollars.

*Read the full story here

Story 2
An apprentice who won 16 million naira on BET was asked by his boss to split the money into two parts. This 50 - 50. As the story goes, people sided with his boss, and he had no choice but to comply. It's important to remember that the money used to bet belongs to the apprentice, not the boss.

*Read the different opinions of people here

First, in your opinion, what would be a reasonable amount to give his girlfriend? Second, assuming you were the apprentice in the story, would you abandon your training, or would you have given in to the pressure to split the money with your boss?

In story one, first stealing is wrong. Second, the girlfriend should demand for a percentage maybe 5% - 10% or sue him.
Although she may lose if she cannot prove that the money was stolen.

In story two, the boss has no claim to the money whatsoever.
What would have been his reaction if his apprentice has lost the money.
Would he also share in bearing the loss?

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 27, 2022, 09:32:40 AM

Most of boss are greedy and doesn't care with you, they only care with money.

Greed is not only in the bosses but in every human being. If you were not greedy for money, would you do any job? of course, Not!

Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 27, 2022, 09:32:40 AM

If they see fresh money and they had a relation or control over the money, they will trying to get it all,

I don't know which country you are from, but such an attitude is not acceptable at all. If you work for someone, you are not his/her slave. He/she pays you money for the work you do for him, not alms.

Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 27, 2022, 09:32:40 AM

it's nothing surprise if your boss might tell to everyone about your bad in order to make the other boss don't want to hire you.

Is your boss goin to visit company to company just to inform them that they should not hire you. Crazy.

However, Still, your boss cannot stop you from working online. Whatever skill you have, you can work online from their stores.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 27, 2022, 09:32:40 AM

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Most of boss are greedy and doesn't care with you, they only care with money. If they see fresh money and they had a relation or control over the money, they will trying to get it all, if they're humble they will give you maybe around 10%.

Even you're not work with your boss again, your boss will not happy if you not share the money, it's nothing surprise if your boss might tell to everyone about your bad in order to make the other boss don't want to hire you.

Bosses and workers are all greedy, they want to maximize their money per unit of time.

Workers want to get paid more per hour, and bosses want to reduce costs, it's just natural.

But what we saw here is different, I don't see how it's connected to the activity the worker was doing.

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Quote from: Merit.s on December 17, 2022, 04:24:35 PM

It is not easy for you to split the win 50-50 with your boss,it is only a greedy boss that will demand for this. Was it his boss that gave him the money in which he used in gambling ? For peace to reign and to continue working with my boss,I might accept it. The boy should give his girlfriend what she demanded for,if not for her money he wouldn't have won the game that is to say that the money brought him good luck.

Most of boss are greedy and doesn't care with you, they only care with money. If they see fresh money and they had a relation or control over the money, they will trying to get it all, if they're humble they will give you maybe around 10%.

Even you're not work with your boss again, your boss will not happy if you not share the money, it's nothing surprise if your boss might tell to everyone about your bad in order to make the other boss don't want to hire you.

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I don't mind giving a generous amount to my girlfriend since, well obviously she's my girlfriend, but also because it was her money that made me win that 100 million. It was plain wrong to just give back 10k. But I think I am not legally obliged to cut 40 million off my prize for her. I think I would only give her 10 million.

In the second story, I won't be giving any amount to my boss. Why should I? Does he have a right to a portion of my prize? I don't think he has. I'd be glad to leave my job of that company and start a business of my own with my winning.

After all, she is my girl who accompanies me every day and if I don't give her the winning money, how can we have a more serious relationship? Marrying her is every couple's dream, especially if we can win a lot of money from gambling and we use that money to marry my girl.

In the second story, I prefer to quit my job and pay the company a fine. After all, the fine wouldn't be as big as the winning money I got. Meanwhile, from the winning money, I can create a new business and maybe even bigger than that company.

Yes, you're right, the girlfriend or partner you have is a person who can share everything you have in any way, I also think that having a lot of money without having anyone is something much more devastating and sad, and there are people who they have everything but they don't have the most important thing, because they can't even have a company, so for that reason I think that in these cases things can be different, and if you start living with it, well, not only 10 million, but the 100 million will belong to both of them, although sometimes the woman takes advantage of it much more than the man, in the case of work she would not even have paid attention to that boss, there are people in the world who are very clever, and they are the dumbest out there.

It's natural for women to take more advantage than men, especially if it's a man she really loves because she will do more for the man she loves. So if he can split the money, much more than before, surely his girl won't let him down especially if she finds out that her boyfriend won huge prize money. His girl would devise a better plan for them and use the money to improve their lives. There's no point in having a lot of money but not having someone or someone else we love because we also won't enjoy that money even if we use it for something we think is valuable.

In that you are absolutely right, it would be very sad to go anywhere and enjoy the great things and pleasures of life but alone, on the other hand, when there is a partner, or you have a family, it is something else, happiness is at best more comprehensive, in matters like this sometimes it is a lottery, both having a good woman, and that the woman helps the man to generate a good life plan, and having the necessary money to be happy at least for the rest of life with that person, and that's where what you say comes in, a woman who helps the man grow together and very quickly, that is actually what is sought with or without money.

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Quote from: roslinpl on December 17, 2022, 03:08:50 PM

To the first story both the boy and girl involved in that betting was very greedy. Firstly boy was greedy to sell his girlfriend for the money and addiction to the gambling such things should not be encouraged at any ideology. Because gambling should encourage based on the fun and not based on big win or addiction.

If you do understand the situation #1 then the boy had really stole that 10k from this girlfriend on which turns out the bet was a hit then the girl demanded a huge percentage of that win which i do see for it not to be that appealing considering that it is really that huge but although its her money been used on the said bet plus its been stolen then i do see that he had the rights.I dont know if each person
could really be affording to make share out of those winnings, this is why it would really depend and vary. On the other hand or second story on which the boss did ask out for some
share on his employees winnings is really truly that not right, even if you are the superior or boss, you dont have the rights on asking on.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 13, 2022, 07:36:32 AM

It's natural for women to take more advantage than men, especially if it's a man she really loves because she will do more for the man she loves. So if he can split the money, much more than before, surely his girl won't let him down especially if she finds out that her boyfriend won huge prize money. His girl would devise a better plan for them and use the money to improve their lives. There's no point in having a lot of money but not having someone or someone else we love because we also won't enjoy that money even if we use it for something we think is valuable.

Lol, men do take advantage of women too. So it is mutual when it comes to taking advantage. Both do the same thing, no one is way ahead. Hopefully these two partner will come to a mutual decision to get married and forget things of the past. I read the guys don't want to lose the girl, so I think the offer of getting married will be accepted by the girl because the feeling is mutual and the girl will have the right to access the wealth of the guy since I believe it will be a conjugal property let alone there is a story behind that money accrual.

Quote from: Merit.s on December 17, 2022, 04:24:35 PM

It is not easy for you to split the win 50-50 with your boss,it is only a greedy boss that will demand for this. Was it his boss that gave him the money in which he used in gambling ? For peace to reign and to continue working with my boss,I might accept it. The boy should give his girlfriend what she demanded for,if not for her money he wouldn't have won the game that is to say that the money brought him good luck.

Better read the story behind it than jump to a conclusion. You will never know what really happens if you just jump to a conclusion without any kind of background reading.

The guys is an apprentice and the boss is his master, and the master and apprentice agreement is that the master will cover the apprentice's needs in return for the master owning anything the apprentice accrued during the time of apprenticeship

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It is not easy for you to split the win 50-50 with your boss,it is only a greedy boss that will demand for this. Was it his boss that gave him the money in which he used in gambling ? For peace to reign and to continue working with my boss,I might accept it. The boy should give his girlfriend what she demanded for,if not for her money he wouldn't have won the game that is to say that the money brought him good luck.

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