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legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
August 08, 2011, 10:08:20 AM
matthew neal wright wasn't allowed the right to vote so the official count is 7-2

Or the OP's vote, for that matter. On instant reply, the score is now 6-2. Seems like everything is deflating on this site. Perhaps an injection of ViagraCoin to get the balls rollin' again.
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August 08, 2011, 08:58:18 AM
matthew neal wright wasn't allowed the right to vote so the official count is 7-2
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
August 08, 2011, 08:31:20 AM
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Thank you CowTipper for your input. You helped close the gap, for the score is now 7 to 3.

legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
August 08, 2011, 08:26:05 AM
I really do hope this forum dies. Not because I don't like some of you here ( I really really do) but because it has been literally over run by clowns/trolls/ and spammers who don't give 2 shits about this project or anyone else in our community. They have taken optimal advantage of the relaxed moderation in this forum, and have probably even hurt the prices of Bitcoins through their constant of cyber bullying and over inflamed misinformed postings. It has become a JOKE, and you can clearly see why the developers took this off their project site...

That man was not someone you wanted to do business with at all. All he was interested in was taking your money and getting attention.
I don't care what he was after, but the attack against him was vicious and didn't even come from within this community...

Bitcoin: It's Your Choice to Use
Then ignore the outside influence and move on.
The outside influence is trying to destroy this currency and everyone involved...
Bitcoins are going south just fine on their own. People grumbling in forums is not something responsible adults pay attention to.

One of the cornerstones of faith in Bitcoins and/or Libertarianism is that everyone has to take blame for their faults except for the ideas themselves.
STOP

JEFFK for the LOVE OF GOD, BITCOIN AND LIBERTARIANISM ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS.
You are misrepresenting the entire community when you say these things.  
They go hand in hand. Bitcoin is a Libertarians wet dream. Thats not to say a Liberal or a Conservative cant own them but its the Libertarians that get the biggest rise out of them.
Bitcoin is no ones. It doesn't belong to any ideology/ race/ religion/ group/ or country. Why is that so hard to understand? It simply just is, and you could take a progressive liberal approach to them (by taxing large transactions through government run nodes) , or you can take a totally anarchistic approach by remaining completely anonymous, and steering away from large transactions or anything that raises flags! My point here is that Bitcoin literally is YOU. It being open source gives the ability for any government or individual to put the restrictions or limitations in place that THEY see fit. Open source also allows people to improve on the existing system as well, so if you don't like something you can easily CHANGE IT.

Bitcoin is not Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Muslim, or Jew.

Bitcoin simply just is, and it's highly offensive and disingenuous to title and/or brand it as anything other than what it is,

A decentralized P2P digital currency that has a capped rate of creation, that can't be duplicated or destroyed. It is the purest form of Internet cash that we have available today as human beings.


Bitcoin: It's Your Choice to Use
legendary
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August 08, 2011, 08:18:09 AM
Bitcoin has it's fault's but only because people are to stupid to adapt to it's most basic requirements. But once again you still don't get it do you? I can tell the majority of the people who post demanding for new features and/or usability don't get it.
IT'S OPEN SOURCE.
If you think something about Bitcoins sucks then CHANGE IT. If you think you can run a better business than half the people in here then DO SO. If you don't care enough about any of this, then ask yourself this question. Why are you here?

It's not that average people are stupid, its that the folks innovating Bitcoin are smarter than average about Bitcoin and have created a beast that accomplishes cool functionality with not-so-much focus on usability. Average people like functionality but CRAVE usability. Code developers in general, no matter the project, do not hold as high regard for usability as they do functionality -- this is the eternal divide between left and right brain.

Drupal CMS went through this in last couple of years. Mega-functionality in Drupal but not as usable as average Joe wants. Drupal avoided this issue for as long as it could believing "if it does cool stuff, people will come to it no matter how unusable". The community eventually paid to conduct studies about the open source Drupal CMS product, watching people on video trying to use their product, and finally realized: we need to improve usability to grow the user base.

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Average people like functionality but CRAVE usabilit

I also like your Drupal analogy.
legendary
Activity: 1918
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
August 08, 2011, 12:48:26 AM
I really do hope this forum dies. Not because I don't like some of you here ( I really really do) but because it has been literally over run by clowns/trolls/ and spammers who don't give 2 shits about this project or anyone else in our community. They have taken optimal advantage of the relaxed moderation in this forum, and have probably even hurt the prices of Bitcoins through their constant of cyber bullying and over inflamed misinformed postings. It has become a JOKE, and you can clearly see why the developers took this off their project site...

That man was not someone you wanted to do business with at all. All he was interested in was taking your money and getting attention.
I don't care what he was after, but the attack against him was vicious and didn't even come from within this community...

Then ignore the outside influence and move on.
The outside influence is trying to destroy this currency and everyone involved...

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/30/129171176847845963.jpg

This forum is a train wreck and begs for trolling.
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August 08, 2011, 12:43:33 AM
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legendary
Activity: 1918
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
August 08, 2011, 12:42:18 AM
I really do hope this forum dies. Not because I don't like some of you here ( I really really do) but because it has been literally over run by clowns/trolls/ and spammers who don't give 2 shits about this project or anyone else in our community. They have taken optimal advantage of the relaxed moderation in this forum, and have probably even hurt the prices of Bitcoins through their constant of cyber bullying and over inflamed misinformed postings. It has become a JOKE, and you can clearly see why the developers took this off their project site...

FlipPro votes lock. The score is 7 to 2. Looks like this thread is going into overtime and the crowd is chanting, "More! More! More!"
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August 07, 2011, 05:51:50 PM
Bitcoin has it's fault's but only because people are to stupid to adapt to it's most basic requirements. But once again you still don't get it do you? I can tell the majority of the people who post demanding for new features and/or usability don't get it.
IT'S OPEN SOURCE.
If you think something about Bitcoins sucks then CHANGE IT. If you think you can run a better business than half the people in here then DO SO. If you don't care enough about any of this, then ask yourself this question. Why are you here?

It's not that average people are stupid, its that the folks innovating Bitcoin are smarter than average about Bitcoin and have created a beast that accomplishes cool functionality with not-so-much focus on usability. Average people like functionality but CRAVE usability. Code developers in general, no matter the project, do not hold as high regard for usability as they do functionality -- this is the eternal divide between left and right brain.

Drupal CMS went through this in last couple of years. Mega-functionality in Drupal but not as usable as average Joe wants. Drupal avoided this issue for as long as it could believing "if it does cool stuff, people will come to it no matter how unusable". The community eventually paid to conduct studies about the open source Drupal CMS product, watching people on video trying to use their product, and finally realized: we need to improve usability to grow the user base.
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August 07, 2011, 05:10:29 PM
I really do hope this forum dies. Not because I don't like some of you here ( I really really do) but because it has been literally over run by clowns/trolls/ and spammers who don't give 2 shits about this project or anyone else in our community. They have taken optimal advantage of the relaxed moderation in this forum, and have probably even hurt the prices of Bitcoins through their constant of cyber bullying and over inflamed misinformed postings. It has become a JOKE, and you can clearly see why the developers took this off their project site...

I believe Bitcoin will survive but if it can't survive the world at large, with all its clowns, trolls and scammers I'd rather know now. Mommy can't protect it from the world.
I'm done with this thread. Close it in the name decency please!
hero member
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August 07, 2011, 05:07:49 PM
I really do hope this forum dies. Not because I don't like some of you here ( I really really do) but because it has been literally over run by clowns/trolls/ and spammers who don't give 2 shits about this project or anyone else in our community. They have taken optimal advantage of the relaxed moderation in this forum, and have probably even hurt the prices of Bitcoins through their constant of cyber bullying and over inflamed misinformed postings. It has become a JOKE, and you can clearly see why the developers took this off their project site...

I believe Bitcoin will survive but if it can't survive the world at large, with all its clowns, trolls and scammers I'd rather know now. Mommy can't protect it from the world.
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August 07, 2011, 04:25:38 PM

Bitcoin is not Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Muslim, or JEW.

Ok, all I said was Libertarians like bitcoins. I don't see what your problem is with that. What I do think is your putting to much of a value on the community aspect of bitcoin. Guess what, there isnt any. Just a bunch of sharks swimming around chatting with each other waiting for the next meal.

Now, what I do find offensive is your use of "JEW" next time you write a line like that use Hebrew. Kind of makes you sound like a racist there.

You are a fucking idiot. Jew is not a racial slur. Next time you write, know what you're talking about. Kind of makes you sound like a fool here.
Oh fuckface.. "JEW" written all caps like is a racial slur.. I happen to be Jewish now fuck off.

Damn, you're jewish? You must be freaking out right now, watching all these shinies slip through your fingers.

I didn't know caps made ordinary PC terms into racial slurs, SIR. I hope you have a wonderful day, FELLA.
Go back to your trailer and dream of someday owning a double wide.

That's all you got, Mordecai? MORDECAI?
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August 07, 2011, 04:15:26 PM

Bitcoin is not Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Muslim, or JEW.

Ok, all I said was Libertarians like bitcoins. I don't see what your problem is with that. What I do think is your putting to much of a value on the community aspect of bitcoin. Guess what, there isnt any. Just a bunch of sharks swimming around chatting with each other waiting for the next meal.

Now, what I do find offensive is your use of "JEW" next time you write a line like that use Hebrew. Kind of makes you sound like a racist there.

You are a fucking idiot. Jew is not a racial slur. Next time you write, know what you're talking about. Kind of makes you sound like a fool here.
Oh fuckface.. "JEW" written all caps like is a racial slur.. I happen to be Jewish now fuck off.

Damn, you're jewish? You must be freaking out right now, watching all these shinies slip through your fingers.

I didn't know caps made ordinary PC terms into racial slurs, SIR. I hope you have a wonderful day, FELLA.
Go back to your trailer and dream of someday owning a double wide.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
August 07, 2011, 08:21:12 AM

Bitcoin is not Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Muslim, or JEW.

Ok, all I said was Libertarians like bitcoins. I don't see what your problem is with that. What I do think is your putting to much of a value on the community aspect of bitcoin. Guess what, there isnt any. Just a bunch of sharks swimming around chatting with each other waiting for the next meal.

Now, what I do find offensive is your use of "JEW" next time you write a line like that use Hebrew. Kind of makes you sound like a racist there.

Hey, BillX

Your post reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8unqrdurxyg&feature=related

While I slept last night, you people (I think I better choose my words carefully) it seems like there was a little pillow fight (safe enough). I have to load 5,000 BF of barn wood today, so I'll be out of pocket. I look forward to reading the rests of these posts in this thread, later today.
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August 07, 2011, 04:35:14 AM
im kind of curious as to what libertarianism has to do with this thread, which is about trolling the UABB guy. and as to the people who say this forums is full of trolls, ill tell you why. these forums have almost no rules, as long as you are not breaking/exploiting the forum software and are not EXCESSIVELY spamming, i don't think i have ever seen anyone get banned. oh yeah, porn too and them assassination threads too. thats why there are so many trolls, and why no real thread can exist.
legendary
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August 07, 2011, 02:36:45 AM
Also, it being open source doesn't mean anything for solving the problems in Bitcoins, any meaningful changes to Bitcoin software means you would have to start a new blockchain, defeating the purpose.

The biggest flaw with Bitcoin is that it never takes human nature into account. However, flawed people use it, therefore it will always stay broken and corrupted.
Whats meaningful? The fundamentals can't be changed yes, but why would you want to change them?

21 Million Coin Capped (Preventing Longterm Inflation)
No duplicates in the system
Difficulty goes up as more miners subscribe making it harder to get this money.

What else am I missing that's flawed in your opinion sir?

No inflation is a flaw in a system that supposedly will be adding new people all the time.
No reversible transactions has caused this to become a haven for scammers. (
Mining will eventually have negative returns when all the coins are mined but transactions still need to be processed.
Deflation causes permanent and uneven wealth disparity
Transaction processing time increases in a greater-than-linear time as more transactions happen.

No inflation is a flaw in a system that supposedly will be adding new people all the time.

Huh?

No reversible transactions has caused this to become a haven for scammers.

If you are doing business with a reputable establishment they will return your money if you have a good reasons, it's no different than cash. If you give it to a thief they will run with it, no different than cash...You don't go around throwing your USD at every site you see on the Internet do you? I assume you only go to the ones you trust, and the same commonsense should be applied when purchasing with Bitcoins.

Mining will eventually have negative returns when all the coins are mined but transactions still need to be processed.

Then people and possibly governments will put up nodes just to process transactions and collect fees...Where there's money to be made, there's always people making it!

Deflation causes permanent and uneven wealth disparity

Not when every single person has access to the same wealth. And even then who said that Bitcoins will be the only currency of the future? That is a pretty short sighted view of whats to come if you think it's either Bitcoins or Fiat... There will be many different competing currencies all with their own individual traits and values
.

Transaction processing time increases in a greater-than-linear time as more transactions happen

Transaction processing is not a problem as of yet. In the future if the network continues to expand the head developers have said that there would be upgrades to the block chain to accommodate for the sort of increase that you are talking about. And even then why do you need to process transactions through the block chain? Why is it that in the future there can be no reputable Bitcoin payment processor that processes transactions just like Visa or Mastercard? Giving you the fraud protection you desire, while completely eliminating the need for the block chain thus giving you instantaneous speeds/confirmations.That can happen, and it's anybody's for the taking right now... Instead of wasting time on SA how about you get on it JeffK?

sr. member
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I never hashed for this...
August 07, 2011, 02:28:57 AM

Bitcoin is not Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Muslim, or JEW.

Ok, all I said was Libertarians like bitcoins. I don't see what your problem is with that. What I do think is your putting to much of a value on the community aspect of bitcoin. Guess what, there isnt any. Just a bunch of sharks swimming around chatting with each other waiting for the next meal.

Now, what I do find offensive is your use of "JEW" next time you write a line like that use Hebrew. Kind of makes you sound like a racist there.

You are a fucking idiot. Jew is not a racial slur. Next time you write, know what you're talking about. Kind of makes you sound like a fool here.

Read his post again, moron.
member
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August 07, 2011, 02:26:29 AM

Bitcoin is not Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Muslim, or JEW.

Ok, all I said was Libertarians like bitcoins. I don't see what your problem is with that. What I do think is your putting to much of a value on the community aspect of bitcoin. Guess what, there isnt any. Just a bunch of sharks swimming around chatting with each other waiting for the next meal.

Now, what I do find offensive is your use of "JEW" next time you write a line like that use Hebrew. Kind of makes you sound like a racist there.

You are a fucking idiot. Jew is not a racial slur. Next time you write, know what you're talking about. Kind of makes you sound like a fool here.
Oh fuckface.. "JEW" written all caps like is a racial slur.. I happen to be Jewish now fuck off.
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
August 07, 2011, 02:24:47 AM

Bitcoin is not Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Muslim, or JEW.

Ok, all I said was Libertarians like bitcoins. I don't see what your problem is with that. What I do think is your putting to much of a value on the community aspect of bitcoin. Guess what, there isnt any. Just a bunch of sharks swimming around chatting with each other waiting for the next meal.

Now, what I do find offensive is your use of "JEW" next time you write a line like that use Hebrew. Kind of makes you sound like a racist there.

You are a fucking idiot. Jew is not a racial slur. Next time you write, know what you're talking about. Kind of makes you sound like a fool here.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250
I never hashed for this...
August 07, 2011, 02:17:43 AM
Also, it being open source doesn't mean anything for solving the problems in Bitcoins, any meaningful changes to Bitcoin software means you would have to start a new blockchain, defeating the purpose.

The biggest flaw with Bitcoin is that it never takes human nature into account. However, flawed people use it, therefore it will always stay broken and corrupted.
Whats meaningful? The fundamentals can't be changed yes, but why would you want to change them?

21 Million Coin Capped (Preventing Longterm Inflation)
No duplicates in the system
Difficulty goes up as more miners subscribe making it harder to get this money.

What else am I missing that's flawed in your opinion sir?

No inflation is a flaw in a system that supposedly will be adding new people all the time.
No reversible transactions has caused this to become a haven for scammers
Mining will eventually have negative returns when all the coins are mined but transactions still need to be processed.
Deflation causes permanent and uneven wealth disparity
Transaction processing time increases in a greater-than-linear time as more transactions happen.
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