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BillX

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Quote from: teflone on August 04, 2011, 12:17:43 AM

The amount of effort you take to defend yourself is bordering on insane...

There is like 5 threads bashing you... you have 50 percent of the postings in each...

just sayin

It is insane and he needs help from a mental health provider.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
Requires excessive admiration
Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Rassah

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Matthew N. Wright, I have lost 0 on mybitcoin.com, since I have never used it other than to open an account.
Despite that, what would it take ($$$) for you to re-open/continue your investigation?

teflone

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You're fat, because you dont have any pics on FB

The amount of effort you take to defend yourself is bordering on insane...

There is like 5 threads bashing you... you have 50 percent of the postings in each...

just sayin

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I agree with you. It would be despicable if our accreditation were to end up like that, but I don't plan on ever letting that happen.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I doubt any of these organisations started out intending to be despicable. But humans are humans.

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Unlike meatscape accreditation, where a human would need to physically visit an establishment and pretend to be a customer just to check and see if members are still following the guidelines, we can do so much more than that, and in an almost automated fashion given the possible technology that could be put behind it.

Right, so now you expect organisations to open up holes for you to survey and monitor internal processes through automated tools?

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Also, the UABB is not an accreditation, it is a consumer and business education and feedback site. It provides option accreditation. We're also non-profit.

By having the option there, it's a psychological nudge.

Apart from that, like I said, Bitcoin is still too much in its infancy to allow a single authority on who's trustworthy and who isn't. Nor should it ever be the case that a monopoly (or even a duo/oligopoly) on that be established. Especially when there are so many examples of how feedback systems can be abused on Paypal and eBay, and on forums by people creating accounts and bouncing transactions/feedback to build up credibility before scamming.

Last but not least, you are not very confidence-inspiring given your conduct so far.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2011, 11:33:25 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on August 03, 2011, 11:16:26 AM

I would find it deeply and darkly amusing if the UABB guy and the MyBitCoin guy were one in the same.

Surely Mr. MBC would be keeping a low profile, but if he really had balls of steel, 'spearheading an investigation' into the crime and collecting all of the available data about it could be all kinds of useful.

That's thinkin' outside the Bitcoin mining rig. That could easily be a justifiable concern. Therefore, due diligence is also warranted when it comes to a new start-up, especially when Bitcoin is concerned. Please offer any proof found to this community and, I for one, will jump on your bandwagon to help expose the fraud.

I'm not looking for any proof. I certainly never claimed that it was true that Mr. MBC and Mr. UABB guy are the same person...just that it would be amusing if so...particularly if he got some chumps to offer financial assistance for his 'spearhead'.

I very much doubt the hypothesis that I stated...or actually, that I didn't state. Mr. MBC was clearly a pretty capable guy. Mr UABB seems to me like the clown of the earth.

Xephan

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ctoon6: Just for clarification, unless someone felt that doing business with a particularly risky and choose the optional escrow services, there would be no handling of any consumer or merchant funds. The UABB simply provides standards for businesses to follow that would provide more accountability for merchants as well as reduce the potential for fraudulent transactions towards and even from consumers.

Although not having a UABB accreditation says absolutely nothing as to whether your business is 'legitimate' or not (is every business in the US accredited by the BBB?), it does show the a particular vender is willing to take the extra steps towards protecting its consumers from fraud and in showing it is in fact capable and willing to take responsibility for its actions.

A lousy accreditation that does absolutely nothing to deter accredited organisations is worse than no accreditation body.

The presence of an accreditation makes naive consumers think an organisation/business might be better than another. But the fact is most of these accreditation and certifications are just to make money for the accreditation body.

One of the shopping malls in my country gotten a bad rep for certain dubious shops for a few years. So they started this internal accreditation in hope of promoting better service and business practises. Initially this work, then all the bad shops got the idea and put on an act to get the badge. Then it's back to the usual routine.

Nevermind some unknown accreditation, let's just talk about international certifications like the ISO certifications. It also aims to provide standards for businesses to follow and such. But all it really does is create more paperwork and pay the ISO certification body. Most of small to medium companies I've seen that struggle to get the certification done in order to gain a halo of superiority over competitors simply ignore the standards/requirements except on paper after they get certified. iSome just scramble to get the paperwork in order before an audit.

BillX

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2011, 09:04:12 PM

Do you see any way that the UABB business model can be tweaked to better serve the Bitcoin community?

Yes, to close shop and let another company fill the void (if there is one) that the "UABB" left.

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LOL

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BOBS - Bunch of Bullshit

Xephan

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2011, 09:04:12 PM

Do you see any way that the UABB business model can be tweaked to better serve the Bitcoin community?

There are ways to tweak and adjust the model to work better. But I'm not going to put them out here to help a rather, IMO, dubious character improve his chances of getting a potential racket off the ground.

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Although not having a UABB accreditation says absolutely nothing as to whether your business is 'legitimate' or not (is every business in the US accredited by the BBB?), it does show the a particular vender is willing to take the extra steps towards protecting its consumers from fraud and in showing it is in fact capable and willing to take responsibility for its actions.

So do you run UABB like the BBB runs their company?

1. customer complains about your company to BBB
2. BBB gets you to pay them $$$ to remove the complaint

all BBB accreditation tells me about a company is that they can afford to keep paying off the BBB to hide the complaints.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2011, 09:04:12 PM

Do you see any way that the UABB business model can be tweaked to better serve the Bitcoin community?

Not with the present leader/owner.

Frankly the only way I see it working would be a parallel client/blockchain whereby payors validate that transactions from payees were satisfactory. A huge undertaking, but theoretically possible.

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Quote from: BitcoinPorn on August 03, 2011, 09:04:04 PM

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Although not having a UABB accreditation says absolutely nothing as to whether your business is 'legitimate' or not (is every business in the US accredited by the BBB?), it does show the a particular vender is willing to take the extra steps towards protecting its consumers from fraud and in showing it is in fact capable and willing to take responsibility for its actions.

Make what the accreditation requirements be up to the public. Take polls. Etc. The idea itself isn't bad, the portion of it being part of a private group is what makes it just not work in my eyes.

Also, even mentioning the BBB, oh man, that is just giving me bad feelings all over about having any groups trying to give stamps as to what is okay or not.

I am offering no solutions to the problems, but I just do not feel the UABB is one.

That's what I'm talking about when I asked for tweaking of the business model! All humor aside, although the pic's funny:

The BTC Acme Catalog would like to become accredited with UABB. As always, the polls open at noon and will close in 24 hours. Let your vote decide if this is a viable company and should be allowed to carry the UABB logo (stamp of approval) on its website.

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Quote from: RandyFolds on August 03, 2011, 08:44:07 PM

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Quote from: ctoon6 on August 03, 2011, 08:30:58 PM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2011, 08:27:34 PM

Boy, you get up to speed fast. Remind me not to ~~jacko~~ pee in your Cheerios. Thank you for your comments, ctoon6.

sometimes i post faster than i should. although i do try to get to the source as fast as possible with a great understanding of both sides of the story. i have yet to see any other side posted. also the when searching for uabb, it links to some myspace bs. another reason not to trust it, they didnt even bother to raise the search rank, or its just very new, and again would have no trust or credibility built up.

The UABB is about a week old and hasn't even opened its door yet. That's the ironic part of all this. What started out as a conversation between a random user and Maged, turned into a promising idea for a new site that could help reduce fraud and handle consumer complaints. During its development stages (now), I have been enlisted help, but obviously not enough. There are more people willing to bash it than contribute to its success. It's kind of silly to be calling something a scam before it's even operational though, if you ask me.

All I can say is that the BBB is a dirty racket though it didn't start out that way; I don't see why it would pan out any different for Bitcoin.

Do you see any way that the UABB business model can be tweaked to better serve the Bitcoin community?

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Although not having a UABB accreditation says absolutely nothing as to whether your business is 'legitimate' or not (is every business in the US accredited by the BBB?), it does show the a particular vender is willing to take the extra steps towards protecting its consumers from fraud and in showing it is in fact capable and willing to take responsibility for its actions.

Make what the accreditation requirements be up to the public. Take polls. Etc. The idea itself isn't bad, the portion of it being part of a private group is what makes it just not work in my eyes.

Also, even mentioning the BBB, oh man, that is just giving me bad feelings all over about having any groups trying to give stamps as to what is okay or not.

I am offering no solutions to the problems, but I just do not feel the UABB is one.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2011, 08:56:20 PM

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The UABB is about a week old and hasn't even opened its door yet. That's the ironic part of all this. It's kind of silly to be calling something a scam before it's even operational if you ask me.

all i ask for is proof that you or the UABB can be trusted. you provide none, and the other "businesses" in this sector have proven they also can not be trusted, why are you different. why would i want to brand my name with yours. if it did turn out that the UABB could not be trusted, i would forever tarnish my name, why would i risk that.

Remember, I'm the OP (Phinnaeus Gage--not my real name) and that you're asking Matthew with UABB this question. I don't want my name (even if it's a fake one) tarnished if by chance I'm on the wrong side of this issue. I do feel you have some valid points.

http://www.electronic-battle-weapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Nothing-Worse-Than-A-Bad-Rap.jpg

If i don't brand myself with UABB the worst that happens is that people with common sense would see that i do have only positive feedback even though i only do small trades. if i were a real business, which i guess this is targeted to, i would never want to associate myself with someone who pretty much half the community thinks is a fraud, even if this were not true. if i stay independent only i affect my rep. why would i brand myself with some random business that thinks they have authority and trust, and it turned out they were just looking for a quick buck and accept anyone to be "accredited".

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Quote from: RandyFolds on August 03, 2011, 08:40:29 PM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2011, 08:21:42 PM

Quote from: RandyFolds on August 03, 2011, 08:10:11 PM

Quote from: kookiekrak on August 03, 2011, 03:46:34 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mybitcoin-bitcoins-could-have-been-gone-a-long-time-ago-33630

oh shit he's bitmole? that explains some of it...

kid acted like a 13 year old in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dispute-resolved-and-sunshine-and-beams-and-all-that-28004

no wonder no one likes him.

edit: evidence of douchery
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dispute-resolved-and-sunshine-and-beams-and-all-that-28004
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dispute-resolved-and-sunshine-and-beams-and-all-that-28004
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dispute-resolved-and-sunshine-and-beams-and-all-that-28004

Ahahahahahalololololololhehehehehehe

So much for that business venture.

Can I change my vote in the poll?

I believe I have the poll set where you can change your vote. If not, I'll do it manually for you. To double check, you want it changed from a no to a yes? Thank you kindly, RandyFolds, for your comment.

I was a '?' to give UABB the benefit of the doubt, but I would change her to 'Self-Important Fuckwit' upon recent revelations.

This was to easy. I wrote the "no to a yes" comment to see if you would clarify your position, which you did. Also, don't believe what I said about being able to change the vote on my end, for I can't. I'm pretty sure, though, that I do have the poll set up so that you can change your vote. I did go and tried to edit the poll to make sure, but that option was not available, so I'm honestly guessing. Thank you for your honest opinion, RandyFolds.

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Quote from: ctoon6 on August 03, 2011, 08:40:09 PM

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The UABB is about a week old and hasn't even opened its door yet. That's the ironic part of all this. It's kind of silly to be calling something a scam before it's even operational if you ask me.

all i ask for is proof that you or the UABB can be trusted. you provide none, and the other "businesses" in this sector have proven they also can not be trusted, why are you different. why would i want to brand my name with yours. if it did turn out that the UABB could not be trusted, i would forever tarnish my name, why would i risk that.

Remember, I'm the OP (Phinnaeus Gage--not my real name) and that you're asking Matthew with UABB this question. I don't want my name (even if it's a fake one) tarnished if by chance I'm on the wrong side of this issue. I do feel you have some valid points.

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Quote from: ctoon6 on August 03, 2011, 08:30:58 PM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2011, 08:27:34 PM

Boy, you get up to speed fast. Remind me not to ~~jacko~~ pee in your Cheerios. Thank you for your comments, ctoon6.

sometimes i post faster than i should. although i do try to get to the source as fast as possible with a great understanding of both sides of the story. i have yet to see any other side posted. also the when searching for uabb, it links to some myspace bs. another reason not to trust it, they didnt even bother to raise the search rank, or its just very new, and again would have no trust or credibility built up.

The UABB is about a week old and hasn't even opened its door yet. That's the ironic part of all this. What started out as a conversation between a random user and Maged, turned into a promising idea for a new site that could help reduce fraud and handle consumer complaints. During its development stages (now), I have been enlisted help, but obviously not enough. There are more people willing to bash it than contribute to its success. It's kind of silly to be calling something a scam before it's even operational though, if you ask me.

I think I nailed it! It's your image! Go with this (most here won't recognize Red Skelton):

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