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February 07, 2023, 12:23:55 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why Liverpool have been having this poor performance this season , could this mean that Mane was only player that was carrying Liverpool along?,  because since after his departure the entire Liverpool team has been struggling to win matches both in Premier league and other compitions. However, they should still give Klop more time until next season to see if he will be able to get Liverpool back on track once again.

Mane is not the only player who left the team, but this is not an indicator, for example, Lewandowski also left Bayern, but this was not such a tangible loss for them. One player cannot have such an impact on the team. With Liverpool it is not clear what is happening, it seems that they fell asleep and cannot wake up. Klopp has done a lot for the team, but now we see that he cannot fix the crisis that has been going on for a long time. It's not just the renewal of players that matters to teams, sometimes a new coach brings new energy, as it did with Everton.

A difficult situation, because they understand that a manager like Klopp is not easy to find, but now it is not clear whether he can fix the situation in the team. And it’s not clear what is needed for this, perhaps it is necessary to update the squad with young players.
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February 07, 2023, 11:58:49 AM
it is also because the current squad which is expected to have chemistry like the trio that Liverpool once had will be formed again with new players. and that turned out to be difficult after Mane left Liverpool. it turns out that the impact of Mane's departure was very large. maybe Klopp thinks having Salah is enough. but the truth is he should regret it.
Liverpool is struggling in the Premier League, and facing Madrid in the Champions League is of course a tough game. Liverpool has lacked this season. and it looks sharp compared to last season.
Liverpool were not in good condition when they faced Real Madrid in the Champions League, even though Real Madrid's results were also unsatisfactory in La Liga a few previous matches, the Liverpool trio at this time had not developed at all and even had difficulty scoring goals in the Premier League. The quality of Liverpool's play this season is quite different when Mane was still at Liverpool, if you pay attention to last season the number of goals scored by Muhammad Salah is indeed extraordinary, but now Salah's sharpness in scoring goals has disappeared even from 10 matches he was only able to score 4 goals.

While Darwin Nunez and Gakpo are unreliable by Jurgen Klopp, because they don't have much experience playing in the Champions League and even in the Premier League they haven't adapted well in the main squad. I think Liverpool will struggle to face Real Madrid in the last 16, even though the first leg will be at Anfield.
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February 07, 2023, 11:57:58 AM
Liverpool's situation is very sad now. The Liverpool team is now in tenth place in the points table. There are plenty of star players in the Liverpool squad. But still their overall performance is very poor. And I don't expect a good performance from them this season either. Next season, Liverpool management may make several changes within their team to strengthen the team. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to fire the coach.
I'm still trying to figure out why Liverpool have been having this poor performance this season , could this mean that Mane was only player that was carrying Liverpool along?,  because since after his departure the entire Liverpool team has been struggling to win matches both in Premier league and other compitions. However, they should still give Klop more time until next season to see if he will be able to get Liverpool back on track once again.


There is an issue or tradition about a curse for Liverpool, about a coach who has been in charge for a few seasons and then makes the team's good performance disappear. This case happened or was experienced by Klopp at this time who was right about the issues and or traditions regarding the curse in question, whether it was true or not but I think I quite admit it too.

Because losing one player is basically not a big problem, because as a big team, Liverpool certainly has other players who can keep the team performing well. So yes, Liverpool's chances in the Champions League this time are really very worrying and I'm not sure Liverpool can keep up with Real Madrid.
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February 07, 2023, 11:49:33 AM
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Perhaps Liverpool is still missing Sadio Mane. Liverpool's biggest mistake this season was deciding to sell Mane without finding a suitable replacement. And because of this mistake, Liverpool's situation is still unstable.
Life is always changing and players come and go including Mane. Liverpool likely are missing Mane now but they must come through it and aim at future with other players.
Everyone says “Moh Salah isn't good without Mane” or “Liverpool without Mane is just…” even though in my opinion the vital figure is Firmino. Without him Salah-Mane is also not necessarily successful.

It was a little evident at the start of this season, even though without Mane, Salah, whose games were inconsistent, and Nunez who was still new, Liverpool could still "occasionally" play well, because there was Firmino. 10 goal contributions (7 goals + 3 assists) from 13 matches is already good when the team's condition is in a slump.
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February 07, 2023, 11:45:20 AM
Liverpool's situation is very sad now. The Liverpool team is now in tenth place in the points table. There are plenty of star players in the Liverpool squad. But still their overall performance is very poor. And I don't expect a good performance from them this season either. Next season, Liverpool management may make several changes within their team to strengthen the team. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to fire the coach.
I'm still trying to figure out why Liverpool have been having this poor performance this season , could this mean that Mane was only player that was carrying Liverpool along?,  because since after his departure the entire Liverpool team has been struggling to win matches both in Premier league and other compitions. However, they should still give Klop more time until next season to see if he will be able to get Liverpool back on track once again.
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February 07, 2023, 11:19:33 AM
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Im feeling worry about city. There are some problems that have been facing by the club.
Yes, you're right and all those problems will surely make them to loose so many things in this season if their coach fail  to resolve it on time. I guess,some players are already making up their mind to leave the Manchester city before the team will start experiencing what Liverpool team is experiencing right now which is not giving Liverpool fans joy. It will be difficult for Manchester city to win this title because, their points is already reducing which is a sign of poor performance.

Manchester City management spends a lot of money to strengthen their squad. Although the team is strong enough, winning the Premier League and Champions League titles is completely uncertain for Manchester City. They are failing to maintain consistent good performance. And Manchester City can't close the points gap with Arsenal.

Liverpool's situation is very sad now. The Liverpool team is now in tenth place in the points table. There are plenty of star players in the Liverpool squad. But still their overall performance is very poor. And I don't expect a good performance from them this season either. Next season, Liverpool management may make several changes within their team to strengthen the team. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to fire the coach.
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February 07, 2023, 11:17:26 AM
Was it just because of Mane, or was it coincidental since Mane left for Bayern Munich?
I don't think Liverpool's bad form this season is due to Mane leaving for Bayern, that's not the only reason in my opinion.
I assume that overall Liverpool have dropped this season and it's not just about their strikers. Players' injury problems have damaged their form, while the new arrivals have not been able to prove their best so far.

Liverpool need really good midfielder to push more power in midfield instead of being so focused on improving attack. The proof is, since Darwin Nunez and Gakpo filled Liverpool's line-up, they weren't really able to contribute much to victory. Is it because of Klopp's incompetence, I think that's bad reason too.

Klopp cannot be said to be incompetent. He just has the bad luck of having some injured players at the moment.
I think they lack in their  midfield as they don’t dominate with the ball as good as they used to. They’ve still got great attackers but without a good midfield, how effective can a striker be?

My personal grudge with Klopp is that he had to let Mane go. I think they need some new players and that also would take some some time to get the new players get accustomed to the club.
I think the coming champions league match with Madrid is going to be a tough one for Liverpool. My personal thoughts on the match would be a Madrid win.
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February 07, 2023, 10:51:17 AM
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Im feeling worry about city. There are some problems that have been facing by the club.
Yes, you're right and all those problems will surely make them to loose so many things in this season if their coach fail  to resolve it on time. I guess,some players are already making up their mind to leave the Manchester city before the team will start experiencing what Liverpool team is experiencing right now which is not giving Liverpool fans joy. It will be difficult for Manchester city to win this title because, their points is already reducing which is a sign of poor performance.
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February 07, 2023, 10:35:43 AM
@KipaCrypto I have said it multiple time’s and I’ll say it again that Klopp should go, his decision not to retain Mane was a foolish one and so far it’s clear to see that the team is not responding to his tactics hence the board should act now. Lastly I believe that Liverpool’s board could target Tuchel or Poch as these two are currently available, and I’m sure either one of them can revive Liverpool and help them dominate the champions league and premier league again.
Was it just because of Mane, or was it coincidental since Mane left for Bayern Munich?
I don't think Liverpool's bad form this season is due to Mane leaving for Bayern, that's not the only reason in my opinion.
I assume that overall Liverpool have dropped this season and it's not just about their strikers. Players' injury problems have damaged their form, while the new arrivals have not been able to prove their best so far.

Liverpool need really good midfielder to push more power in midfield instead of being so focused on improving attack. The proof is, since Darwin Nunez and Gakpo filled Liverpool's line-up, they weren't really able to contribute much to victory. Is it because of Klopp's incompetence, I think that's bad reason too.
Klopp should go? Really? That quickly? I mean this was the guy who took the team from being around Spurs level, to having a title, having one UCL, and having multiple second position finishes, and don't get me even started on FA cup.

So, I believe that this dude deserved one year of not playing as well as they should, I agree that this year they have sucked, and next year won't be that great neither because they will be placed badly this year, but that doesn't change the fact that he could maybe go for a title next year, or at least be top four next year. If he is still bad next year I would understand, but not even giving him a full year? Kick him out even before the season ends? That would be too harsh.
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February 07, 2023, 10:28:14 AM
Benfica's performance in the group-stage matches was excellent. There is no way to call this team weak. A very strong and stable team. Benfica is also dominating the Primeira Liga this season. Performing very well in every match and topping the table. So even though this is Club Brugge's home match, I consider this Benfica team as favorite.
There is no doubt that Benfica is the favorite against Brugge and Brugger is the team that can be considered the weakest of all and Benfica is predicted to win this first leg and for sure in the second leg there will be no obstacles for them if they can win in the first game later, and Benfica will be a team with a very large percentage of certainty of playing in the quarterfinals considering the opponents in the round of 16

You are right. The Club Brugge team can be considered weak. Because Brugge's performance in Belgium's pro league is not good. Club Brugge is probably fourth in the points table. They were lucky enough to qualify for the second round of the Champions League. I don't think they will win against Benfica. Yet in the Champions League, we often see weaker teams winning. So Benfica's players must be confident and perform very carefully.


AC Milan vs Tottenham match is difficult to predict. Both teams are of similar quality. And performance is erratic. Both have a number of star players in their squads. But my favorite in this match is Tottenham. In the last match, this team defeated the mighty Manchester City. They have the ability to win against Milan.
And you are right, sometimes they can lose to weak teams but Tottenham's victory over City increased the motivation of this team to also be able to beat Milan, moreover, Milan seemed to be facing obstacles so that they continued to lose in the league, recording 3 defeats in a row, however the first leg could have been a draw and the second leg would have decided it

The win against City was very convincing for Tottenham. As a result, Tottenham's players have become more confident. And they will now be confident during their performance against any big team. As a result, the performance of the players will improve more. However, I will bet on Tottenham in this match. I believe Tottenham players will not let me down.
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February 07, 2023, 09:47:05 AM

I think even though Milan are playing quite badly in the domestic league, when they are in the UCL competition it will definitely be very different from what has been seen so far. And I think Spurs have to be wary of Milan in the first leg, because of course Milan have lost hope of competing with Napoli in the domestic league but they still have a chance in the UCL, so they will play it out in that.
I agree, even with Tottenham beating Man City and Ac Milan's bad form, I'm definitely betting on Ac milan in this one, it's very true that things are different from. a league to a trophy like the champions league, and I can definitely see Ac milan going through Tottenham in their battle, I know a lot of people will look at their forms and go with Tottenham so I'm going against their prediction here.

yeah you could be right. but if we look at Milan's last match against Inter Milan then I think we can see clearly how bad AC Milan was in that match. they don't get many chances. even Milan didn't even have a shot that was directed directly at Inter Milan's goal in that match. but I still see the possibility that Ac Milan will play well when they face Tottenham in the top 16 later. But I'm not sure which team will win the game yet.
if you look at the performance of these two teams in their respective leagues, it seems that there is a significant difference, AC MIlan which continues to decline in performance and that is inversely proportional to Tottenham, which is getting better every week, therefore I think the duel between these two teams is in the round of 16 of the Champions League. Of course, Tottenham are highly favored and their chances of being able to win the match and advance to the next round are quite large.

all of this is not without reason after seeing AC MIlan's performance in Serie A which appeared very bad after a long holiday making this team even worse off and with the last few weeks they have been in a slump of course it makes many people doubt they can get up as soon as possible especially on the Champion League stage.
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February 07, 2023, 09:01:48 AM

I think even though Milan are playing quite badly in the domestic league, when they are in the UCL competition it will definitely be very different from what has been seen so far. And I think Spurs have to be wary of Milan in the first leg, because of course Milan have lost hope of competing with Napoli in the domestic league but they still have a chance in the UCL, so they will play it out in that.
I agree, even with Tottenham beating Man City and Ac Milan's bad form, I'm definitely betting on Ac milan in this one, it's very true that things are different from. a league to a trophy like the champions league, and I can definitely see Ac milan going through Tottenham in their battle, I know a lot of people will look at their forms and go with Tottenham so I'm going against their prediction here.

yeah you could be right. but if we look at Milan's last match against Inter Milan then I think we can see clearly how bad AC Milan was in that match. they don't get many chances. even Milan didn't even have a shot that was directed directly at Inter Milan's goal in that match. but I still see the possibility that Ac Milan will play well when they face Tottenham in the top 16 later. But I'm not sure which team will win the game yet.
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February 07, 2023, 08:47:47 AM
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Have possibility and rumor about Manchester City will get points deduction in Primer League but his participants in Champion League will disqualify or not.
I've been searching for a statement from them since Man City allegedly violated some UEFA rules too. This case is probably related to the reason why UEFA handed down a two-year ban on European competition to City but that was overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport back in 2020. That means they've been cleared and won't be disqualified from Champions League.
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February 07, 2023, 08:30:18 AM
It's really a major issue and I read on few articles the punishment might be bigger than Juventus, Juventus was get 15 points deduction, to be honest it's really big enough since it will make Manchester City is high likely can't become a champion.

Manchester City players are mostly best of the best players, it's really a huge lose if they will leave since it will hurt Manchester City next journey.

I hope it's just a point deductions, at least Manchester City have a chance to win in Champions and FA Cup.
Current situation with points deduction are waiting for Manchester City in Primer League after investigating by FA, I hope Manchester City still having consistent performance in Champion League. Have possibility and rumor about Manchester City will get points deduction in Primer League but his participants in Champion League will disqualify or not.

Learned from Juventus 15 points deduction in Serie A not bring impact in Europe League playoff participant, seems Manchester City can focus 100% in Champion League without any punishment although possibility with points deduction in domestic league.
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February 07, 2023, 08:21:41 AM
I blame Klopp for not being able to know how important Mane is to his team. Even when he is the coach. He should know the individual ability of the players in his team.
Liverpool problems just started as Mane departed the club and I can also say that it wasn't a coincidence. Assuming Mane is still in Liverpool, the club wouldn't have been suffering what they are suffering now

it is also because the current squad which is expected to have chemistry like the trio that Liverpool once had will be formed again with new players. and that turned out to be difficult after Mane left Liverpool. it turns out that the impact of Mane's departure was very large. maybe Klopp thinks having Salah is enough. but the truth is he should regret it.
Liverpool is struggling in the Premier League, and facing Madrid in the Champions League is of course a tough game. Liverpool has lacked this season. and it looks sharp compared to last season.
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February 07, 2023, 08:11:22 AM
A draw could also be a possibility in this match. They are 2 teams that both want to play football and score goals. But on Tuesday we also have the game AC Milan - Tottenham Hotspur. The English are the favorite in this game, in Milan it will be 50-50 but in 2 games I expect Tottenham to continue. I think the weakest teams in 1 match are those of the Benfica-Club Brugge match. A favorable draw for both. Benfica was also doing well in the CL last year. The coach of Bruges was fired a few weeks ago due to disappointing results in the competition. But winning the group in the CL apparently has no value anymore. Strange.
I'm not too sure about Benfica match which is likely to be a draw, so far in the domestic league Benfica in a good performance they have a better record rather than Club Brugge, also PSG previously very difficult in the Champions League when against Benfica. So my opinion Benfica possibility will be able to win in that first Leg match very well, but for Milan vs Tottenham Spurs I can't think for now because Milan is in a bad performance in Serie A.
Im even feeling doubt if brugge can force benfica to play draw against it. Benfica has been dominating the domestic league. No reason for benfica to lose against a weak team like brugge. Brugge's performance is not as good as benfica. It can be seen from how many draws achieved by brugge. It seems benfica will be winning the game easily against brugge. I see that if in this match i shall go all in to the benfica. The match is easy to predict.
Benfica is good in everything compared with brugge. Brugge may lose with big scores at first leg.
I don't think Club Brugge is a weak team, they also have a good solid defense, so this match is possibility to be very interesting. Club Brugge have the advantage of being the home team, I think that will motivate the squad to show a good performance in front of their fans. So this match is still not easy for Benfica, they have to play more seriously against Club Brugge to get a better score at there.
I think that you shall compare the performance between benfica against brugge. Brugge doesn't have good performance in the local competition. Benfica was leading with very big cap on its local competition. If you are also comparing both based on the statistic and benfica is farr above brugge. I can only take statistic from the local competition caused by either of clubs benfica and brugger never meet in UCL. This is the first time both of club will be facing each other in UCL. i think that benfica has biggest chance to win compared with brugge
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February 07, 2023, 08:07:00 AM
@KipaCrypto I have said it multiple time’s and I’ll say it again that Klopp should go, his decision not to retain Mane was a foolish one and so far it’s clear to see that the team is not responding to his tactics hence the board should act now. Lastly I believe that Liverpool’s board could target Tuchel or Poch as these two are currently available, and I’m sure either one of them can revive Liverpool and help them dominate the champions league and premier league again.
Was it just because of Mane, or was it coincidental since Mane left for Bayern Munich?
I don't think Liverpool's bad form this season is due to Mane leaving for Bayern, that's not the only reason in my opinion.
I assume that overall Liverpool have dropped this season and it's not just about their strikers. Players' injury problems have damaged their form, while the new arrivals have not been able to prove their best so far.

Liverpool need really good midfielder to push more power in midfield instead of being so focused on improving attack. The proof is, since Darwin Nunez and Gakpo filled Liverpool's line-up, they weren't really able to contribute much to victory. Is it because of Klopp's incompetence, I think that's bad reason too.
I blame Klopp for not being able to know how important Mane is to his team. Even when he is the coach. He should know the individual ability of the players in his team.
Liverpool problems just started as Mane departed the club and I can also say that it wasn't a coincidence. Assuming Mane is still in Liverpool, the club wouldn't have been suffering what they are suffering now
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February 07, 2023, 07:10:48 AM
A draw could also be a possibility in this match. They are 2 teams that both want to play football and score goals. But on Tuesday we also have the game AC Milan - Tottenham Hotspur. The English are the favorite in this game, in Milan it will be 50-50 but in 2 games I expect Tottenham to continue. I think the weakest teams in 1 match are those of the Benfica-Club Brugge match. A favorable draw for both. Benfica was also doing well in the CL last year. The coach of Bruges was fired a few weeks ago due to disappointing results in the competition. But winning the group in the CL apparently has no value anymore. Strange.
I'm not too sure about Benfica match which is likely to be a draw, so far in the domestic league Benfica in a good performance they have a better record rather than Club Brugge, also PSG previously very difficult in the Champions League when against Benfica. So my opinion Benfica possibility will be able to win in that first Leg match very well, but for Milan vs Tottenham Spurs I can't think for now because Milan is in a bad performance in Serie A.
Im even feeling doubt if brugge can force benfica to play draw against it. Benfica has been dominating the domestic league. No reason for benfica to lose against a weak team like brugge. Brugge's performance is not as good as benfica. It can be seen from how many draws achieved by brugge. It seems benfica will be winning the game easily against brugge. I see that if in this match i shall go all in to the benfica. The match is easy to predict.
Benfica is good in everything compared with brugge. Brugge may lose with big scores at first leg.
I don't think Club Brugge is a weak team, they also have a good solid defense, so this match is possibility to be very interesting. Club Brugge have the advantage of being the home team, I think that will motivate the squad to show a good performance in front of their fans. So this match is still not easy for Benfica, they have to play more seriously against Club Brugge to get a better score at there.
Club Brugge is underrated team in champion league but surprisingly they can able to qualified and on group stage many people will predict Club Brugge will finish at the bottom of standings group because they were in the same group with Atletico Madrid and Leverkusen but they can overturn people's predictions and qualifed to round of 16

And their opponent for next stage is Benfica and on the paper obviously Benfica will be overcomes them and although Benfica has just lost their important player Enzo Fernandez who moved to Chelsea but it doesn't any effect for their performance and judging from the recent performance between these teams i feel like Benfica will be able to beat Club Brugge
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February 07, 2023, 04:36:09 AM
Milan can't suddenly start being a great team in UCL just because they are losing in the league. I mean they are not doing that great right now and they won't do anything good in UCL neither, that is not going to happen, that is going to be a problem for them.

Doesn't mean they can't beat Spurs, there is a good chance that they could beat Spurs and that could happen, but that doesn't change the fact that we will see them do even better afterwards, the best they can do will be beating Spurs, after that, unless they get a very very lucky draw from a much smaller team, they are going to lose, and there is a big possibility that they will lose to Spurs as well.

Spurs are a tough opponent, but also equal with Milan. unfortunately, currently Milan is in a bad situation. Milan's performance will be doubted when going through the match against Tottenham, even though in the first leg Milan will play the match as the home team. but with the situation that occurred in the domestic league, plus several core players who were injured. Naturally, if Milan is not the favorite in the match later. but at least Pioli has said that he and his team will prepare as best they can. So, Milan's only advantage in such an unstable condition is playing at home in the first leg. for sure, Pioli's men's squad will have to take advantage of the momentum later.

Conversely, the Spurs situation is also not in its best form. in fact, they slipped several times in their domestic league. even so, it seems Spurs are better prepared when facing Milan at the San Siro later. at least, Conte will take advantage of his very familiar experience with Serie A teams. So, let's just wait because this match will start soon in the next few weeks.
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February 07, 2023, 04:33:12 AM
Im feeling worry about city. There are some problems that have been facing by the club.

- Numerous allegations being made by premier league to the city caused by city was doing shady things since 2008-2018
- Some players will be leaving the club caused of the bad condition that is faced by the club.
- It has been rumored that pep will be leaving from city as well
- Degradation is also waiting for manchester city

Those things will be giving leipzig so many advantages. City was facing very big problems now. I doubt if it can be solved as soon as possible. I think that anyone shall consider it before try to bet on city. This club has so many problems.
It's really a major issue and I read on few articles the punishment might be bigger than Juventus, Juventus was get 15 points deduction, to be honest it's really big enough since it will make Manchester City is high likely can't become a champion.

Manchester City players are mostly best of the best players, it's really a huge lose if they will leave since it will hurt Manchester City next journey.

I hope it's just a point deductions, at least Manchester City have a chance to win in Champions and FA Cup.
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