UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season - page 504.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on February 08, 2023, 06:15:37 PM

I still can't comprehend the cause of the poor performances with Liverpool. The last game they got humiliated by wolves, the expression on Klopp's face alone tells how much he is suprised at the team's performance and poor results. Everything seems not to be working anymore for Klopp, could this be that the end of his Liverpool reign is near? Very soon the club management will lose their faith in him and make a harsh decision.

Maybe Jurgen Klopp's chances will end this season, but depending on if he manages to lift the Liverpool players I think he will be kept by the club management. The minor results that were obtained by Liverpool really made the public very upset and indeed all of that was the responsibility of Jurgen Klopp as a coach. Moreover, this month they will play the playoffs against Real Madrid, of course he has a tough job if he doesn't want to leave Anfield early.

The chance is very small because the current probability of failing is of course bigger.
Liverpool's condition is still very worrying now so it is very difficult for Klopp to survive, especially if the club's demands are not fulfilled by having to be in the Champions League zone next season.
Their only 2 options are to improve performance in the domestic league or indeed make the Champions League a benchmark for champions. These 2 options are obviously very difficult for them to do and Klopp is likely to leave.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on February 08, 2023, 06:15:37 PM

I still can't comprehend the cause of the poor performances with Liverpool. The last game they got humiliated by wolves, the expression on Klopp's face alone tells how much he is suprised at the team's performance and poor results. Everything seems not to be working anymore for Klopp, could this be that the end of his Liverpool reign is near? Very soon the club management will lose their faith in him and make a harsh decision.

Maybe Jurgen Klopp's chances will end this season, but depending on if he manages to lift the Liverpool players I think he will be kept by the club management. The minor results that were obtained by Liverpool really made the public very upset and indeed all of that was the responsibility of Jurgen Klopp as a coach. Moreover, this month they will play the playoffs against Real Madrid, of course he has a tough job if he doesn't want to leave Anfield early.

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Quote from: snipie on February 08, 2023, 07:21:08 PM

Liverpool is in trouble since the beginning of the season along with Chelsea and both of them passed to the round of 16 while ironically Barcelona that is leading La Liga got kicked from Champions League!
Liverpool will face Real Madrid which is better even though the mild performance that they are showing these days, nevertheless, odds are backing the home side, Liverpool, in this leg Roll Eyes

For Chelsea, they will face Dortmund in an away game and the odds aren't that different.

A lot of people will make a lot of money if those odds stay the same. I do not understand how Liverpool can be the favorites for this match. They cannot win against the lowest teams in the Premier League and Real Madrid are a lot better then them. If Real Madrid was in the worst form I would still bet on them to win a champions league match because they always do. They have surprised everyone many times because of their consistency in the champions league. I think it is because the Spanish league has been declining for many years and their fans and players work harder to win the champions league because they see that as the ultimate prize.

I think Dortmund will win because of Chelsea struggling for form but I think it is a closer game. We have a good counter attack and good defense. If Chelsea can bypass our midfield I think they will do well but I do not think they have the long ranger passes that could bypass our midfield. They need someone like Lampard in his glory days who could switch the play in the moment.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on February 08, 2023, 06:15:37 PM

I still can't comprehend the cause of the poor performances with Liverpool. The last game they got humiliated by wolves, the expression on Klopp's face alone tells how much he is suprised at the team's performance and poor results. Everything seems not to be working anymore for Klopp, could this be that the end of his Liverpool reign is near? Very soon the club management will lose their faith in him and make a harsh decision.

Liverpool is in trouble since the beginning of the season along with Chelsea and both of them passed to the round of 16 while ironically Barcelona that is leading La Liga got kicked from Champions League!
Liverpool will face Real Madrid which is better even though the mild performance that they are showing these days, nevertheless, odds are backing the home side, Liverpool, in this leg Roll Eyes

For Chelsea, they will face Dortmund in an away game and the odds aren't that different.

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Dortmund vs Chelsea is a good match. Chelsea have been performing badly I know but Dortmund has not been at their best this season. They are 3rd in the Bundesliga but they are not playing the football that they are capable of. It could be a interesting match up because Chelsea are looking for some success and when I have seen them play they have looked dangerous. I think they have been unlucky for most of their losses this season.

Quote from: blue Snow on February 08, 2023, 07:04:24 PM

I am still optimistic Liverpool wouldn't have a problem in the champions league because only this event will bring the name rise in Europe. Klopp maybe not prioritize the premier league as the main purpose be a champion because the competition is very tight, seems like mission impossible to be on 1st stand, and maybe the target is only in the top 4. And i really sure, he still on liverpool until finish the contract.

They have been losing against bottom of the league teams in the Premier League and you think they can beat Real Madrid? I think they have most of their players for their 1st team. Real Madrid might have injury problems but they still have better players. Do not forget that Real Madrid have beat Liverpool many times recently when Liverpool were on top of the world but now they are playing the worst football for 10+ years. I think Klopp is finished and when he gets knocked out of the Champions League I think he gets fired.

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If care is not taken, we might see Klopp making an exit from the club. One thing we fail to note is that, signing of new players is suppose to boost a team more than the main reason of filling up blank positions to suit a certain managers style of play.
Liverpool wants to build, but I wonder if Klopp would leave, what the state of the team would become in the hands of a new manager.

I am still optimistic Liverpool wouldn't have a problem in the champions league because only this event will bring the name rise in Europe. Klopp maybe not prioritize the premier league as the main purpose be a champion because the competition is very tight, seems like mission impossible to be on 1st stand, and maybe the target is only in the top 4. And i really sure, he still on liverpool until finish the contract.

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I still can't comprehend the cause of the poor performances with Liverpool. The last game they got humiliated by wolves, the expression on Klopp's face alone tells how much he is suprised at the team's performance and poor results. Everything seems not to be working anymore for Klopp, could this be that the end of his Liverpool reign is near? Very soon the club management will lose their faith in him and make a harsh decision.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on February 08, 2023, 04:40:11 PM

If care is not taken, we might see Klopp making an exit from the club. One thing we fail to note is that, signing of new players is suppose to boost a team more than the main reason of filling up blank positions to suit a certain managers style of play.
Liverpool wants to build, but I wonder if Klopp would leave, what the state of the team would become in the hands of a new manager.

This could have happened to Liverpool if the conditions and situations that occurred within the Liverpool team did not change for the better because after the arrival of new players and players who could fill certain vacant positions. The team certainly hopes that they can experience better results in certain seasons so it is only natural to want to see better developments when there have been improvements on the players' side.

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I will say real Madrid is setting a good cow back winning. Playing against Al haly is a good opportunity for them to restore their winning ways and I'm happy they did that. The winning will boost the players and the coach and give them more confidence in the next match. Real Madrid will father more winning potential before the champion league fixture against Liverpool. I think betting on real Madrid to win against Liverpool in the UCL will be a good risk to take

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Have possibility and rumor about Manchester City will get points deduction in Primer League but his participants in Champion League will disqualify or not.

I've been searching for a statement from them since Man City allegedly violated some UEFA rules too. This case is probably related to the reason why UEFA handed down a two-year ban on European competition to City but that was overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport back in 2020. That means they've been cleared and won't be disqualified from Champions League.

I suppose by now nobody really understands what is going on anymore. There should be a much more universally applicable rule. National associations have their rules, then there is UEFA and then there is also FIFA and some other international court involved and so on and so forth. What did they find now that they couldn't prove last time when they turned the judgment over? It is permanently this back and forth with all these threats and no action being taken.

I see your point. They may agree on some policies on punishments but these are still organizations independent of each other. It seems the case stemmed from the same allegation back in 2018. Both organization launched their own investigation. UEFA wrapped up and handed out the fine and ban in 2020. Premier league just took a longer time. Their findings is probably more conclusive and airtight.

Ok I am not fully into the case and know the finest details, but when this stems from 2018 I ask myself what the heck happened over all those years when you take into account that one judgment was already revoked? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Not only for the club, but also not for the fans. When I were a fan of Manchester City and I read that they have been acquitted on all accounts, how does it make sense then that the same case could lead to an exclusion 5 years or so later again?

I am for fairness to its fullest and we need some sanctions or otherwise the normal soccer club won't exist anymore at some point. At the same time it should be applied to all clubs equally. Or maybe the punishment should work such that the rich clubs violating the rules must pay a fine to the poorer clubs. That way we also get one step closer to equality.

An exclusion from the Champions League would be a punch in the face for all of those clubs as that is what the investors are after. Winning the Champions League!

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on February 06, 2023, 08:39:51 PM

Nunez and Gakpo are young talented players. They have been recruited into the team after long planning. Now these two players are not playing well. They are also missing out on easy opportunities. As they gradually become more experienced, their performance may stabilize. But Liverpool's match strategy also has problems with Jurgen Klopp not doing his job properly.

Perhaps Liverpool is still missing Sadio Mane. Liverpool's biggest mistake this season was deciding to sell Mane without finding a suitable replacement. And because of this mistake, Liverpool's situation is still unstable.

When Nunez and Gakpo arrived at Liverpool I had no doubts that they will immediately make an impact in the team but until now the team is still struggling to win games or even get a draw. Their last game ended in a 3 nil humiliating defeat to Wolves, I think the pressure on Klopp is increasing and drawing close, if the poor results keep coming then I doubt seeing Klopp continue as Liverpool coach until the end of the season

Quote from: ancafe on February 07, 2023, 11:58:49 AM

Liverpool were not in good condition when they faced Real Madrid in the Champions League, even though Real Madrid's results were also unsatisfactory in La Liga a few previous matches, the Liverpool trio at this time had not developed at all and even had difficulty scoring goals in the Premier League. The quality of Liverpool's play this season is quite different when Mane was still at Liverpool, if you pay attention to last season the number of goals scored by Muhammad Salah is indeed extraordinary, but now Salah's sharpness in scoring goals has disappeared even from 10 matches he was only able to score 4 goals.

While Darwin Nunez and Gakpo are unreliable by Jurgen Klopp, because they don't have much experience playing in the Champions League and even in the Premier League they haven't adapted well in the main squad. I think Liverpool will struggle to face Real Madrid in the last 16, even though the first leg will be at Anfield.

Real Madrid are in better shape than Liverpool, I can barely recognise this current Liverpool team this season. Real Madrid are also not so good, their la liga performance hasn’t been that great but I believe they will step up in the Champions league competition, I will be expecting a win from Real Madrid in that fixture.

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Nunez is being considered as Sadio Mane's replacement. But the gameplay of these two players is completely different. So if Klopp doesn't come up with a different match strategy then I don't expect a better performance from Nunez and Liverpool. Liverpool will definitely need to change their match tactics if they want to get better performances from players like Nunez and Gakpo. Also I agree with you. It is difficult to perform well in the first season of the Premier League. It is hoped that they will adapt themselves well to the Liverpool squad by next season. These two players are very talented. They will not disappoint the Liverpool management.

The gap that Jurgen Kloop has to think about is the front line where he must be able to revive Mohamed Salah performance and also be able to polish the qualities that Nunez and Gakpo have. Liverpool lose great concentration if the opposing team is able to score goals early. It seems that the players continue to be overshadowed by guilt over the decline in their performance so far. Jurgen kloop has a pretty tough job this season to bring Liverpool in a better direction in the premier league.

apart from that, Jurgen Kloop also had to think early about the match they would have in the Champions League in the round of 16 because the opponent they were facing was the defending champion team or the king of the Champions League.

Several players brought in by Liverpool have not yet shown their best game. This season they look very messy, and if you look at the game they are very disorganized. I don't understand what's going on, because if you look at the squad they actually have good players, and also Jurgen Klopp is a coach who usually has a good strategy, but I haven't seen that from them this season.

If care is not taken, we might see Klopp making an exit from the club. One thing we fail to note is that, signing of new players is suppose to boost a team more than the main reason of filling up blank positions to suit a certain managers style of play.
Liverpool wants to build, but I wonder if Klopp would leave, what the state of the team would become in the hands of a new manager.

Liverpool needs to change their coach, Klopp needs to go, he has achieved so much for the club fine but the truth is that he can't fix up the club anymore. It is a pity for their fans because this season hasn't produced any fruit from the club,with this their poor performance any club that plays them presently will defeat time. The newly signed players hasn't fit in with their new club,let's hope they can make a difference in the club's performance.

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Nunez is being considered as Sadio Mane's replacement. But the gameplay of these two players is completely different. So if Klopp doesn't come up with a different match strategy then I don't expect a better performance from Nunez and Liverpool. Liverpool will definitely need to change their match tactics if they want to get better performances from players like Nunez and Gakpo. Also I agree with you. It is difficult to perform well in the first season of the Premier League. It is hoped that they will adapt themselves well to the Liverpool squad by next season. These two players are very talented. They will not disappoint the Liverpool management.

The gap that Jurgen Kloop has to think about is the front line where he must be able to revive Mohamed Salah performance and also be able to polish the qualities that Nunez and Gakpo have. Liverpool lose great concentration if the opposing team is able to score goals early. It seems that the players continue to be overshadowed by guilt over the decline in their performance so far. Jurgen kloop has a pretty tough job this season to bring Liverpool in a better direction in the premier league.

apart from that, Jurgen Kloop also had to think early about the match they would have in the Champions League in the round of 16 because the opponent they were facing was the defending champion team or the king of the Champions League.

Several players brought in by Liverpool have not yet shown their best game. This season they look very messy, and if you look at the game they are very disorganized. I don't understand what's going on, because if you look at the squad they actually have good players, and also Jurgen Klopp is a coach who usually has a good strategy, but I haven't seen that from them this season.

If care is not taken, we might see Klopp making an exit from the club. One thing we fail to note is that, signing of new players is suppose to boost a team more than the main reason of filling up blank positions to suit a certain managers style of play.
Liverpool wants to build, but I wonder if Klopp would leave, what the state of the team would become in the hands of a new manager.

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I understand that Pep may want to leave, or even some players may want to leave because of this, we still need to wait and see if it is true. I mean we all "believe" it is true considering how much they spent, but by that regard Chelsea must be punished for sure, they spent 500+ million, never seen City spend that much.

Juventus just got punished for a similar thing, and City could be as well. I believe it is quite important to realize that we should wait and see first, and if there is no punishment, then there shouldn't be any reason why he leaves. He still failed to win UCL with them, if he manages to get that, maybe that would be easier decision to leave.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on February 08, 2023, 12:06:25 PM

I don't believe Nunez can be seen as Mane's replacement. Because one of them is a striker while the other one is a winger naturally. Yes maybe Mane can play as a striker if needed as well but he doesn't make the same level of contribution to his team then. He is more beneficial when he plays as a connector between the midfield and attacking line. Thanks to his playing style Liverpool were able to break the deadlocks of many matches for example. Now his absence is felt very much.

I can see Diaz as the closest player to Mane's style now but even he isn't like him. But he has made a big contribution to the team since his arrival as well. Nunez couldn't do much so far. However Diaz is still injured and his absence is affecting the attacking line very negatively.

Darwin Nunez is a great player, his pace and ability to score good goals is brilliant but still cannot be compared to Sadio Mane. Sadio Mane was like the pillar in Liverpool's attack, on so many occasions Mane came through for the team in tight games where Liverpool struggled to get a win but Mane was always there to the rescue so I totally agree that Mane is a much more better player than Nunez and even Diaz.

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I really dont know what to expect in this round, a lot of teams came here with a really low performance.

And a few others facing problems.

- Liverpool bad
- Milan bad
- Totenham it was bad and now seems like correct but not so much.
- Chelsea.... sinking
- P$G good.... but with some problems and Mbappe injured.
- Bayern Munich in one of his worst performance in the recent years.
- Real Madrid in a little pothole.

So much interrogants

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Nunez is being considered as Sadio Mane's replacement. But the gameplay of these two players is completely different. So if Klopp doesn't come up with a different match strategy then I don't expect a better performance from Nunez and Liverpool. Liverpool will definitely need to change their match tactics if they want to get better performances from players like Nunez and Gakpo. Also I agree with you. It is difficult to perform well in the first season of the Premier League. It is hoped that they will adapt themselves well to the Liverpool squad by next season. These two players are very talented. They will not disappoint the Liverpool management.

The gap that Jurgen Kloop has to think about is the front line where he must be able to revive Mohamed Salah performance and also be able to polish the qualities that Nunez and Gakpo have. Liverpool lose great concentration if the opposing team is able to score goals early. It seems that the players continue to be overshadowed by guilt over the decline in their performance so far. Jurgen kloop has a pretty tough job this season to bring Liverpool in a better direction in the premier league.

apart from that, Jurgen Kloop also had to think early about the match they would have in the Champions League in the round of 16 because the opponent they were facing was the defending champion team or the king of the Champions League.

Several players brought in by Liverpool have not yet shown their best game. This season they look very messy, and if you look at the game they are very disorganized. I don't understand what's going on, because if you look at the squad they actually have good players, and also Jurgen Klopp is a coach who usually has a good strategy, but I haven't seen that from them this season.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on February 08, 2023, 01:31:27 PM

The internal problems at Manchester City just keeps unveiling themselves this season and they are slowly affecting the performance of the team so far. Manchester city have been failing to maintain consistency in the league this season and if the allegations turn out to be true then Manchester City will have to face a big blow this season, one which could be points deduction or expulsion from the Premier League.

Manchester City started the season well. And they were very strong. Manchester City became even stronger after Haaland was brought into the team. And consistently Manchester City's attacking players were able to play well. But now Manchester City's performance has slowed down a bit. They performed well but dropped points in several matches. At the same time, several weaknesses within the party have become quite visible. And that's why they're a bit behind. Manchester City's points gap with Arsenal continues to widen. At the moment, Manchester City is 5 points behind despite playing one match more than Arsenal.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on February 08, 2023, 10:22:55 AM

Nunez is being considered as Sadio Mane's replacement. But the gameplay of these two players is completely different. So if Klopp doesn't come up with a different match strategy then I don't expect a better performance from Nunez and Liverpool. Liverpool will definitely need to change their match tactics if they want to get better performances from players like Nunez and Gakpo. Also I agree with you. It is difficult to perform well in the first season of the Premier League. It is hoped that they will adapt themselves well to the Liverpool squad by next season. These two players are very talented. They will not disappoint the Liverpool management.

The gap that Jurgen Kloop has to think about is the front line where he must be able to revive Mohamed Salah performance and also be able to polish the qualities that Nunez and Gakpo have. Liverpool lose great concentration if the opposing team is able to score goals early. It seems that the players continue to be overshadowed by guilt over the decline in their performance so far. Jurgen kloop has a pretty tough job this season to bring Liverpool in a better direction in the premier league.

apart from that, Jurgen Kloop also had to think early about the match they would have in the Champions League in the round of 16 because the opponent they were facing was the defending champion team or the king of the Champions League.

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By the way, now, despite the fact that the bookmakers give equal chances to both Real and Liverpool, I'm sure they evaluate Real as a clear favorite. I noticed that bookmakers very rarely change their quotes much even if the team falls into a period of bad luck or loses its best scorer, etc. In a pair of Real Madrid - Liverpool, initially Liverpool was a big favorite, but now the quotes are equal.

Liverpool have very poor performance in Premier League that is worse than what I can think of. They not only have draw, lose points but also have terrible loses. They still have good players but maybe this season is not a good one for all of them and in general Liverpool can not have good combinations of those players. Therefore, they are more sensitive to lose points to any opponent, not only to big and strong opponents.

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This suggests that the bookmakers realized that they were wrong, but they cannot "turn around" their opinion, but the changes that have taken place are the maximum for their business.

In football and in matches between big clubs, we can not say anything definitely will happen and bookmakers are so scam with bet data they have so that they can easily flip all to take money from most of gamblers.

Yes, the argument in favor of Liverpool that there are a lot of top teams in the Premier League, so Liverpool can have more defeats than Real Madrid (which, for example, has only one serious opponent in La Liga this year) does not work because Liverpool loses big even to average commands.
As for bookmakers, sometimes they fall into a trap (as it is now in my opinion) they cannot turn the chances of the teams in the Real-Liverpool pair even more sharply, since many bettors will have the opportunity to already fix their profits (if they made preliminary bets in advance).

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