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Quote from: fuguebtc on December 16, 2023, 04:48:08 AM

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I Definitelyieve ETH is a bad manager. Both what he achieved at ajax and what he achieved last year, making manchester 3rd, winning the league cup, playing in the final of the fa cup and losing 2-1 to city in a close game, eliminating barcelona in the uefa and losing to sevilla who would have won the cup, etc. show that he is a good manager. But this year he is doing incomprehensible things. For example, when they made the transfer of Höjlund, it was very irrational. It is still very irrational. There are those who make haaland comparisons, but he is a young version of weghorst. He is 2 years younger than haaland. 2 years ago haaland was in the bundesliga and the champions league playing amazing. This guy has no goals in 12 games and I don't think he'll score 10 goals at the end of the season. Let's say he doesn't score goals, he contributes something to the game, but he doesn't. In fact I think he spoils the team's game. That is an example of what was wrong with ETH and that's why they performed horribly in the CL and conceded 15 goals.

Nah! He remains a good manager he's just being unlucky with Injuries and some of the players available cannot help project his tactics.
What he achieved for the club last season is evident enough, you can't just right him off. I can recall the game against Barcelona very well, he read game very well and made good substitution ( bringing Fred in the guide the midfied ) Anthony was able to give Manchester United the winner. He got this issues when Lisandro Martinez got Injured against Sevilla. Building from back has worked for him in a way. Having no Lisandro Martinez behind makes that difficult for him.

Rasmus Hojlund ain't no bad player, have you asked yourself how many chances they've created for him? Just same way City does for Erling Haaland. I hate comparisons but Manchester United should do better with creating chances for the striker. ( I have personal issues with Rashford for not always passing the ball for Rasmus )

Now your idea of Wout Weghorst is wrong, he didn't score so much goals for United agreed, but he had a very high rating when it comes to work rate. They say he's lazy, but he's not too lazy to track down balls for Manchester United just like Rashford did against Newcastle.

I am pretty surprised that you still think he is a good coach and he's just being unlucky. He is just bad. And he will not be able to make Manchester United improve. In my opinion, he never was able to improve Manchester United. And now it is just evident. That's why people are actually losing their minds. In my opinion, he was never a good coach. He had no clear plan of what to do. He just tried a bunch of things and previously that seemed to work out for some reason. But now it is not working anymore.

I thought Erik Ten Hag was a good coach when he came to Manchester United last season. He was sure he was going to end the era of Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp in the Premier League. With the performance of Manchester United both in the Premier League and Champions League this season, it is proven that Erik Ten Hag is nowhere near Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp.

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Quote from: rendravolt on December 15, 2023, 07:57:59 PM

The following is the income of each team in the 23/24 Champions League group stage and as can be seen, Real Madrid and Manchester City dominate the income figures. The two championship candidate teams received 42 million euros for successfully advancing to the round of 16 with 6 complete wins. On the other hand, Barcelona also received enough fresh funds of 32 million euros which they will definitely use to spend on players in January.

But not only Barcelona but other teams also seem to be doing the same thing and it depends on the management to arrange it. Apart from that, teams that do not qualify will still receive an injection of funds, even though the amount is not that large. That's why the Champions League is always a target for big teams in Europe to compete every season because the income from the group stages alone is quite tempting.

Its easy to see how this difference in money in the Champions League negatively impacts smaller teams. For example, Sevilla is having a hard time with money and is missing out on important money that would have come from improving. This situation makes the growing gap between the rich clubs and the rest stand out. Businesses like Real Madrid, Manchester City, and others dont just depend on the Champions League to make money; they have other ways to make money too. Financially, they're in a class by themselves. Unfortunately, this is the truth for smaller clubs that count on these kinds of profits a lot. These differences could keep growing, which would make it harder for clubs with less money to compete at the same level, in my view.

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Quote from: marcous on December 16, 2023, 05:55:43 AM

Barcelona progress in the UCL this season is considered unsatisfactory, because they have lost twice in the group phase, but who knows in the future they will develop even better. Likewise with the Blaugrana performance in La Liga, they are now having difficulty leading the standings.

I think if they get easy opponents in the round of 16, Barcelona can move to the next stage or the quarter finals. However, we need to wait for the drawing first and see who their opponents are there. Of course, Xavi has to improve his club to be better, to be able to talk a lot in the UCL, because so far Barcelona is not the favorite to win the UCL.

Yes, that's right, because it is difficult for Xavi to rotate players to choose the quality of players who will play in each of their matches, especially in a busy schedule, it is not easy to focus and concentrate on two matches in Laliga as well as in the UCL, of course not only Barcelona, even other clubs too. the same, so it's not strange if top clubs experience defeat because they don't play focused and consistent in maintaining stamina and performance too.

There is still time for Barcelona to catch up, but right now they also have to focus on the UCL championship, even though they are not sure they will make it to the semi-finals or final, because there are many tough opponents they have to face with the composition of their players currently still relatively unknown. so good enough to be able to make it to that point, hopefully Barcelona will meet a balanced opponent in the next round of the round of 16.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on December 16, 2023, 04:48:08 AM

I am pretty surprised that you still think he is a good coach and he's just being unlucky. He is just bad. And he will not be able to make Manchester United improve. In my opinion, he never was able to improve Manchester United. And now it is just evident. That's why people are actually losing their minds. In my opinion, he was never a good coach. He had no clear plan of what to do. He just tried a bunch of things and previously that seemed to work out for some reason. But now it is not working anymore.

Ten hag isn't a good coach and I will agree with you because he has been given more than enough time to prove himself otherwise but then he hasn't been able to prove it. He did made everyone felt he was a good coach when last season he was able to get the team to finishing amongst the top four and did qualified for the UCL .

I doubt if ten hag will be able to achieve the same. Which he did achieved last season so it will be more ideal and better if he's relived of his duty so the team could look for a better replacement and probably see how well they will be able to make something out of this season, ten hag like you rightly stated have not made any clear stated plan for this season probably a trophy he is aim at at and will make sure to winning by all possible means it just more like he's just comfortable staying at the participatory levels without probably solid plans of becoming the champions, yeah he doesn't seem like a good coach.

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If Barcelona don't win the La Liga title this season then Xavi's seat might be really under threat. There is progress in the Champions League as they have reached further the group stage this time. But I have big doubts about them to continue much longer here. It depends on the draw as well of course. If they get a draw against Copenhagen for example then they could reach the quarter finals too.

But the La Liga is everything for Barcelona thinking about their long-running rivalry between them and Real Madrid. Right now things aren't going well for Barcelona there at all. I don't know how much credit Xavi has in the board now. Maybe a good success in the Champions League might be enough to give him another chance for the title in the La Liga next season as well but let's see.

That is a big question and challenge for Xavi which is quite difficult to solve. Moreover, the UCL draw could be quite burdensome for Barcelona position when facing strong clubs. Meanwhile in La Liga it cannot provide high hopes, the players mentality began to waver after the defeat and put Barcelona in a position threatened by 2 Atletico Madrid clubs and another by Atletico Bilbao which now seems to be making things even more difficult so that it is difficult for Barcelona to rise further.

As far as I remember, since Lewandowski suffered a minor injury and when he recovered his performance decreased even Felix as the player Xavi relied on also experienced a decline in performance and if we remember previously Barcelona started the season with a very good performance and even his performance seemed to be dominating in every competition but as time goes by, Barcelona loses control and is no longer as consistent as before.
I believe there is problem related to Lewandowski injury problem affecting Barcelona attack line while Xavi current difficulty is simply not having a choice of players to recruit due to poor financial reasons and with this it seems Xavi only has the option to try as hard as possible in champions league and it fails, Barcelona will return to LaLiga and try to find the best position in the points table.
The only hope for representatives from LaLiga is Real madrid and Atletico madrid, although Real sociedad is also a representative from LaLiga, but I'm not sure if they can survive until the CL final round.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 16, 2023, 04:50:02 AM

If Barcelona don't win the La Liga title this season then Xavi's seat might be really under threat. There is progress in the Champions League as they have reached further the group stage this time. But I have big doubts about them to continue much longer here. It depends on the draw as well of course. If they get a draw against Copenhagen for example then they could reach the quarter finals too.

But the La Liga is everything for Barcelona thinking about their long-running rivalry between them and Real Madrid. Right now things aren't going well for Barcelona there at all. I don't know how much credit Xavi has in the board now. Maybe a good success in the Champions League might be enough to give him another chance for the title in the La Liga next season as well but let's see.

That is a big question and challenge for Xavi which is quite difficult to solve. Moreover, the UCL draw could be quite burdensome for Barcelona position when facing strong clubs. Meanwhile in La Liga it cannot provide high hopes, the players mentality began to waver after the defeat and put Barcelona in a position threatened by 2 Atletico Madrid clubs and another by Atletico Bilbao which now seems to be making things even more difficult so that it is difficult for Barcelona to rise further.

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That's the only advantage they had last otherwise they'd have been knocked out of the competition ( Champions League ) already. They are going from bad to worst. After losing to Girona over the weekend I was thinking they want to change the cause of them performance and step up but they couldn't. In fact sime fans are already calling out for the sack of Xavi Hernandez that under his watch the club are going from bad to worst.

They have all the time to buckle up if you have to ask me, they'll do better in the league and it'll reflect on how they play during the round of sixteen next year. They have all of the remaining days in December.

If Barcelona don't win the La Liga title this season then Xavi's seat might be really under threat. There is progress in the Champions League as they have reached further the group stage this time. But I have big doubts about them to continue much longer here. It depends on the draw as well of course. If they get a draw against Copenhagen for example then they could reach the quarter finals too.

But the La Liga is everything for Barcelona thinking about their long-running rivalry between them and Real Madrid. Right now things aren't going well for Barcelona there at all. I don't know how much credit Xavi has in the board now. Maybe a good success in the Champions League might be enough to give him another chance for the title in the La Liga next season as well but let's see.

I think Xavi will be retained for a long time by Barcelona management, because with their financial condition experiencing a crisis, Xavi was able to present the La Liga trophy last season. So looking for a new successor to replace Xavi is not the right step, because it will not necessarily be able to boost and stabilize the club.

Barcelona progress in the UCL this season is considered unsatisfactory, because they have lost twice in the group phase, but who knows in the future they will develop even better. Likewise with the Blaugrana performance in La Liga, they are now having difficulty leading the standings.

I think if they get easy opponents in the round of 16, Barcelona can move to the next stage or the quarter finals. However, we need to wait for the drawing first and see who their opponents are there. Of course, Xavi has to improve his club to be better, to be able to talk a lot in the UCL, because so far Barcelona is not the favorite to win the UCL.

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Mate, I know Paris Saint-German has all it takes to beat any club in the Uefa Champions League, but I want to say that this present PSG team does not have the capability to beat any club In the Uefa Champions League. Real Madrid is one of the favorite clubs that can win this Uefa Champions League trophy this season.

Who has a better chance of winning the UCL trophy this season? Favorite clubs are chosen by professional gamblers based on an analysis of their performance. You want to know why the performances and statistics of Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain differ? PSG is exceedingly incompatible when it comes to anticipating in major tournaments, whereas Real Madrid has the likes of experience and good form. Winning the UEFA Champions League becomes easy for Los Blancos because they have been there many times before, with nothing new for them to witness other than a change in their squad.

PSG does have squad depth that is very reliable. But PSG's mentality is actually not as good as Real Madrid. In the UCL, more things are needed to be used as a reference for favoring a team. Because we have seen several clubs with squads that are actually good but they still fail to get past the group stage. PSG always manages to get through the group stage. And this season it's the same. It's just that this season we can see that PSG is having difficulty qualifying from the group stage. But fortunately in the end PSG succeeded. But I also don't think that PSG will succeed in going further than the round of 16. But actually I hope PSG can play better in the UCL this time. Because I actually want to see Mbappe play at a higher level in the UCL. And it's a shame that PSG always fails to reach the highest peak in the UCL. And I think seeing how PSG is this season also still makes me doubt them. So I also prefer Real Madrid as a favorite compared to PSG. But because I am an Italian football lover, I still support Napoli and Inter Milan.

Yes, even though PSG has quite good squad depth, their squad depth is still not on par with bigs clubs like Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester City. If only PSG had an even squad and had a coach who was experienced in dealing with big clubs, PSG would definitely be on par with these clubs and could winner the title in the Champions League, even though they are quite strong in their domestic league, but in League 1 there is no clubs that can winning the biggest title in Europe is still an underachievement for the league.

Yes they still seems to have difficulty qualifying for the rounds of 16 but at least in the end they can qualify with Dortmund, everyone hope that PSG can achieve good result in the Champions League to play at a higher level but unfortunately sometime PSG tend to weaken and in the end it doesn't reached the final.
In fact, if you looks at PSG, they have experience play in the Champions League, but their game cannot improved in a better direction and in my opinion it remains the same. They should improved their performance to be able to achieve the result they have been hoping for namely winning the Champions League trophy.

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Maybe Barcelona were already comfortable as they guaranteed finishing the group as the leader. However I still wouldn't have expected them to lose to Antwerp in the last game. Antwerp also had no goal to achieve left in the end. Barcelona should have played better and won this game. Xavi also stated how bad they were in this game.

They lost two games in this comfortable group so I'm curious about their performance in later rounds. If they don't get lucky with the draw I think they would be likely to get eliminated early. But at least there is some progress as they couldn't even get past the group stage in the recent seasons.

That's the only advantage they had last otherwise they'd have been knocked out of the competition ( Champions League ) already. They are going from bad to worst. After losing to Girona over the weekend I was thinking they want to change the cause of them performance and step up but they couldn't. In fact sime fans are already calling out for the sack of Xavi Hernandez that under his watch the club are going from bad to worst.

They have all the time to buckle up if you have to ask me, they'll do better in the league and it'll reflect on how they play during the round of sixteen next year. They have all of the remaining days in December.

If Barcelona don't win the La Liga title this season then Xavi's seat might be really under threat. There is progress in the Champions League as they have reached further the group stage this time. But I have big doubts about them to continue much longer here. It depends on the draw as well of course. If they get a draw against Copenhagen for example then they could reach the quarter finals too.

But the La Liga is everything for Barcelona thinking about their long-running rivalry between them and Real Madrid. Right now things aren't going well for Barcelona there at all. I don't know how much credit Xavi has in the board now. Maybe a good success in the Champions League might be enough to give him another chance for the title in the La Liga next season as well but let's see.

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I definitely don't believe ETH is a bad manager. Both what he achieved at ajax and what he achieved last year, making manchester 3rd, winning the league cup, playing in the final of the fa cup and losing 2-1 to city in a close game, eliminating barcelona in the uefa and losing to sevilla who would have won the cup, etc. show that he is a good manager. But this year he is doing incomprehensible things. For example, when they made the transfer of Höjlund, it was very irrational. It is still very irrational. There are those who make haaland comparisons, but he is a young version of weghorst. He is 2 years younger than haaland. 2 years ago haaland was in the bundesliga and the champions league playing amazing. This guy has no goals in 12 games and I don't think he'll score 10 goals at the end of the season. Let's say he doesn't score goals, he contributes something to the game, but he doesn't. In fact I think he spoils the team's game. That is an example of what was wrong with ETH and that's why they performed horribly in the CL and conceded 15 goals.

Nah! He remains a good manager he's just being unlucky with Injuries and some of the players available cannot help project his tactics.
What he achieved for the club last season is evident enough, you can't just right him off. I can recall the game against Barcelona very well, he read game very well and made good substitution ( bringing Fred in the guide the midfied ) Anthony was able to give Manchester United the winner. He got this issues when Lisandro Martinez got Injured against Sevilla. Building from back has worked for him in a way. Having no Lisandro Martinez behind makes that difficult for him.

Rasmus Hojlund ain't no bad player, have you asked yourself how many chances they've created for him? Just same way City does for Erling Haaland. I hate comparisons but Manchester United should do better with creating chances for the striker. ( I have personal issues with Rashford for not always passing the ball for Rasmus )

Now your idea of Wout Weghorst is wrong, he didn't score so much goals for United agreed, but he had a very high rating when it comes to work rate. They say he's lazy, but he's not too lazy to track down balls for Manchester United just like Rashford did against Newcastle.

I am pretty surprised that you still think he is a good coach and he's just being unlucky. He is just bad. And he will not be able to make Manchester United improve. In my opinion, he never was able to improve Manchester United. And now it is just evident. That's why people are actually losing their minds. In my opinion, he was never a good coach. He had no clear plan of what to do. He just tried a bunch of things and previously that seemed to work out for some reason. But now it is not working anymore.

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I am not so much thrilled about the champions league since Newcastle was unable to make it through the group stage of the champions league. They were new and I wished them well but it is unfortunate that they entered into a difficult group. Assuming they got a group like that of Manchester United, they would still have been in the Champions League by now.

Quote from: emrecemsan on December 15, 2023, 12:38:05 PM

According to the updated championship odds in the Champions League the most favoured a couple of teams are lined like this:

Manchester City : 3.00
Bayern Munich : 5.00
Real Madrid : 6.50
Arsenal : 8.00

The gap between Manchester City and Bayern Munich is even closer now than before. But I still have doubts about Bayern Munich as I didn't like their game very much during the group stage. They struggled quite much in some matches despite winning anyway. This can be a big problem for them when they face a title contender in later stages.

I can say that Manchester city does not possess the super power that bookmakers are seeing them to posses. They are less powerful than last season. If Real Madrid players are to return from injury, they will become the favourites to win the champions league. I don't know why Bayern is rated high by the bookmakers.

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Quote from: borovichok on December 16, 2023, 12:14:20 AM

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Mate, I know Paris Saint-German has all it takes to beat any club in the Uefa Champions League, but I want to say that this present PSG team does not have the capability to beat any club In the Uefa Champions League. Real Madrid is one of the favorite clubs that can win this Uefa Champions League trophy this season.

Who has a better chance of winning the UCL trophy this season? Favorite clubs are chosen by professional gamblers based on an analysis of their performance. You want to know why the performances and statistics of Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain differ? PSG is exceedingly incompatible when it comes to anticipating in major tournaments, whereas Real Madrid has the likes of experience and good form. Winning the UEFA Champions League becomes easy for Los Blancos because they have been there many times before, with nothing new for them to witness other than a change in their squad.

I can't compare Paris Saint Germain with Real Madrid, because I've seen from the beginning that these two clubs are different. Real Madrid have been able to show that they are not a strong club only in the domestic league but they are a club that has been tested in major competitions in Europe, even we know that Real Madrid is the club that has won the most Champions League titles.
When it comes to Paris Sant Germain, they are a strong club, but they can only do that in the domestic league, not for bigger competitions like the Champions League.
I'm not sure they'll be able to win the title this season, although it could happen if they're lucky. Many clubs are better prepared than Paris Saint Germain in this Champions League.

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Quote from: Zanab247 on December 16, 2023, 03:23:04 AM

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Mate, I know Paris Saint-German has all it takes to beat any club in the Uefa Champions League, but I want to say that this present PSG team does not have the capability to beat any club In the Uefa Champions League. Real Madrid is one of the favorite clubs that can win this Uefa Champions League trophy this season.

Who has a better chance of winning the UCL trophy this season? Favorite clubs are chosen by professional gamblers based on an analysis of their performance. You want to know why the performances and statistics of Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain differ? PSG is exceedingly incompatible when it comes to anticipating in major tournaments, whereas Real Madrid has the likes of experience and good form. Winning the UEFA Champions League becomes easy for Los Blancos because they have been there many times before, with nothing new for them to witness other than a change in their squad.

Inter Milan will embrace that chance to lift the UEFA champions league trophy in this season because, they dominated well in their group to beat many strong teams to maintain the top position through out and, they are still toping the position in the Italy serie A table which are some of the evidence that will make many people to predict for their favour to win the UEFA champions league trophy. If Inter Milan miss this trophy, I think it will not pass Bayern Munich because all those two Italy serie A teams are well organized to break record that will make people to praise their coach for making their dream to come to reality in this season.

If you look at Real Madrid and PSG players very well in this season you will know that their players really lacked in some things that made them to struggle in some games to win because some of their position was weak for their opponent to blocked them not to achieve pretty goals.

Real Sociedad was the one that topped the Group D of the Uefa Champions League this season. Anything is possible in football but not for Inter Milan to win this year's Uefa Champions League. Inter Milan Champions League group was a soft group but they failed to top the Group D of the Uefa Champions League.

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Mate, I know Paris Saint-German has all it takes to beat any club in the Uefa Champions League, but I want to say that this present PSG team does not have the capability to beat any club In the Uefa Champions League. Real Madrid is one of the favorite clubs that can win this Uefa Champions League trophy this season.

Who has a better chance of winning the UCL trophy this season? Favorite clubs are chosen by professional gamblers based on an analysis of their performance. You want to know why the performances and statistics of Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain differ? PSG is exceedingly incompatible when it comes to anticipating in major tournaments, whereas Real Madrid has the likes of experience and good form. Winning the UEFA Champions League becomes easy for Los Blancos because they have been there many times before, with nothing new for them to witness other than a change in their squad.

Inter Milan will embrace that chance to lift the UEFA champions league trophy in this season because, they dominated well in their group to beat many strong teams to maintain the top position through out and, they are still toping the position in the Italy serie A table which are some of the evidence that will make many people to predict for their favour to win the UEFA champions league trophy. If Inter Milan miss this trophy, I think it will not pass Bayern Munich because all those two Italy serie A teams are well organized to break record that will make people to praise their coach for making their dream to come to reality in this season.

If you look at Real Madrid and PSG players very well in this season you will know that their players really lacked in some things that made them to struggle in some games to win because some of their position was weak for their opponent to blocked them not to achieve pretty goals.

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Quote from: püsür on December 16, 2023, 02:24:00 AM

I definitely don't believe ETH is a bad manager. Both what he achieved at ajax and what he achieved last year, making manchester 3rd, winning the league cup, playing in the final of the fa cup and losing 2-1 to city in a close game, eliminating barcelona in the uefa and losing to sevilla who would have won the cup, etc. show that he is a good manager. But this year he is doing incomprehensible things. For example, when they made the transfer of Höjlund, it was very irrational. It is still very irrational. There are those who make haaland comparisons, but he is a young version of weghorst. He is 2 years younger than haaland. 2 years ago haaland was in the bundesliga and the champions league playing amazing. This guy has no goals in 12 games and I don't think he'll score 10 goals at the end of the season. Let's say he doesn't score goals, he contributes something to the game, but he doesn't. In fact I think he spoils the team's game. That is an example of what was wrong with ETH and that's why they performed horribly in the CL and conceded 15 goals.

Nah! He remains a good manager he's just being unlucky with Injuries and some of the players available cannot help project his tactics.
What he achieved for the club last season is evident enough, you can't just right him off. I can recall the game against Barcelona very well, he read game very well and made good substitution ( bringing Fred in the guide the midfied ) Anthony was able to give Manchester United the winner. He got this issues when Lisandro Martinez got Injured against Sevilla. Building from back has worked for him in a way. Having no Lisandro Martinez behind makes that difficult for him.

Rasmus Hojlund ain't no bad player, have you asked yourself how many chances they've created for him? Just same way City does for Erling Haaland. I hate comparisons but Manchester United should do better with creating chances for the striker. ( I have personal issues with Rashford for not always passing the ball for Rasmus )

Now your idea of Wout Weghorst is wrong, he didn't score so much goals for United agreed, but he had a very high rating when it comes to work rate. They say he's lazy, but he's not too lazy to track down balls for Manchester United just like Rashford did against Newcastle.

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I don't see Paris Saint-German as a club that will win the Uefa Champions League trophy this season because PSG struggled to reach the last 16 of the Uefa Champions League. I see PSG as a club that will be knocked out of the Uefa Champions League when they play the round of 16.

Although PSG seems not as strong as Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, or Man City but they are not impossible to reach the final round and even win the UCL trophy. Sure, PSG got difficulty in the group F, they didn't seem like a favorite team to win UCL. However, UCL often brings surprises, smaller team doesn't always mean to be defeated in the knock-out round. You can't claim PSG will be eliminated soon in the round of 16. PSG isn't a bad team, dude. They have capability to beat any team in UCL this season if they can play solidly as a team.

What makes them so much superior and able to reach that position today. We do realize that group F is a hell group but in such a hell group PSG performance seems very ordinary and it has always been the same in the last few seasons where they only finished runners up in the group stage.

Now with some of the possibilities that occur in the last 16 PSG could again meet a big club like before which makes them have to be willing to be eliminated in the last 16 without being able to do much. PSG must pray that they dont get some championship candidate clubs like Madrif or City back at this time because indeed in the last 2 seasons they have always been destroyed and what destroys PSG can always lift the Champions League trophy.

The drawing results will determine their fate if in the end the drawing results do not go well for them then I don't think there is a need to hope much back for PSG.

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Quote from: Mayor of ogba on December 15, 2023, 08:14:14 PM

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Although PSG seems not as strong as Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, or Man City but they are not impossible to reach the final round and even win the UCL trophy. Sure, PSG got difficulty in the group F, they didn't seem like a favorite team to win UCL. However, UCL often brings surprises, smaller team doesn't always mean to be defeated in the knock-out round. You can't claim PSG will be eliminated soon in the round of 16. PSG isn't a bad team, dude. They have capability to beat any team in UCL this season if they can play solidly as a team.

Mate, I know Paris Saint-German has all it takes to beat any club in the Uefa Champions League, but I want to say that this present PSG team does not have the capability to beat any club In the Uefa Champions League. Real Madrid is one of the favorite clubs that can win this Uefa Champions League trophy this season.

Dortmund have done well in the Champions league group F and they appear to be more creative and tactical than the PSG and AC Milan. Newcastle showed a zero capacity in the midst of these clubs and that is why they could not bring any capacity to the table. I thought earlier that the battle will be between PSG and AC Milan before the champions league kick-off. But now, Dortmund have shown the most important efforts in the group F. Now, Dortmund have 11 strong points whereas PSG has 8 point after they slightly got a draw with Emeri's goal which also made them qualified.

The new Qatari ownership of PSG have eyed the Champions league trophy but with their level of performance this year, I'm a bit skeptical about their winning and it will seem to be easy to elude them. Before now the club had Messi and Neymar doing the wonderful jobs for them, now it is like, Mbappe is their goal machine left, but I also like the young player Emeri that scored that goal is also very promising.

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The basic problem or issues with Manchester united still lays within the management of the team which by extension have got so much blame on the coach and his performance so far in the team, these form the bases for most of the discussion about this team and most recently is the rumors of the possible sack of the coach due to his continues poor performance over a long time spamming through this season and this ofcourse have raised so many concerns a about the future of the team this season, I can really tell for now how well the team has implemented the ideas of Fergie, maybe if they have not they should and see how well it will be of great help to the team.

Their management does not seem serious in building this team to be better, many parties are pressing for Manchester United to be sold, but we all know that the current owner of Manchester United is reluctant to sell Manchester United.
They have made several changes of coach, the results are the same until now. The players they have also actually have quality, but still it doesn't help much. What's really unfortunate is when a lot of internal problems arise at a time when their performance is not good, it adds to the chaos for them.

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I agree that Paris Saint-German has a good squad depth but the PSG squad is not performing well this season, even in their League, PSG still finds it difficult to win matches. I wish PSG was in a better position to win this year's Uefa Champions League because they have spent a lot of money so that they can win the Uefa Champions League.

PSG is a failed team, the have money but they can't develop their team. Since they can hire good coach and good players, that's make them able to dominating in their domestic league. When it comes to international league, they can't force themselves to be better since they lack of chemistry.

Mbappe is a selfish player, but the best player in PSG. Losing him will make PSG become weak, at the same time the team could able to develop because there's no seniority anymore.

One of the things that makes them look like a failing team despite their excellent financial capabilities is when they want things the instant way. It seems like their good financial capabilities have led them into arrogance, so it's an external obstacle that comes their way. If you look at the players they had at the time when many star players were still here, then anyone who sees them will definitely think they will be difficult to beat, but in reality it is not like that.
Football is not something that if they have star players they will easily become champions, football is more than that.

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If Erik Ten Hag is categorized as a bad coach then the previous season would not have been in the Champions League but this time it was a failure that he led his team, maybe you are right, there are divisions in the team so it is difficult for Man United to be solid again. I think Erik Ten Hag's philosophy is too strict and this is not comfortable for the players or anything else, this problem is not so detailed it will remain what is rumored we are quite sure there are divisions at his club now.

Maybe after Man United was acquired, things will change? However, this did not happen Glazer wanted a higher price and potential new investors did not want to buy a club that was too expensive, the same thing happened with Chelsea, who spent a lot of money investing in players, but in fact it did not meet the club owner's expectations.

I think the problem isn’t ETH but the players especially some lazy set of players who feel they’re too big for some of his routines during training and who doesn’t know the real meaning of playing for the Manchester United badge. Yes, he might be kind of strict but they should know it’s for a cause, to get trophies. And the board too who got most of these lazy players in wouldn’t want to go against them due to some benefits.

So I think the main issue is the Takeover; when finally completed, I feel effective change will spark up in this Manchester United team under the same ETH, and I hope Sir Jim would do a total clean up in the footballing sector of the club and help them get better, especially selling those deadwoods that's got nothing to offer them anymore, cause they're the bad eggs that are hindering the clubs progress too, Martial for example.

I definitely don't believe ETH is a bad manager. Both what he achieved at ajax and what he achieved last year, making manchester 3rd, winning the league cup, playing in the final of the fa cup and losing 2-1 to city in a close game, eliminating barcelona in the uefa and losing to sevilla who would have won the cup, etc. show that he is a good manager. But this year he is doing incomprehensible things. For example, when they made the transfer of Höjlund, it was very irrational. It is still very irrational. There are those who make haaland comparisons, but he is a young version of weghorst. He is 2 years younger than haaland. 2 years ago haaland was in the bundesliga and the champions league playing amazing. This guy has no goals in 12 games and I don't think he'll score 10 goals at the end of the season. Let's say he doesn't score goals, he contributes something to the game, but he doesn't. In fact I think he spoils the team's game. That is an example of what was wrong with ETH and that's why they performed horribly in the CL and conceded 15 goals.

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Quote from: Mayor of ogba on December 16, 2023, 02:02:29 AM

I agree that Paris Saint-German has a good squad depth but the PSG squad is not performing well this season, even in their League, PSG still finds it difficult to win matches. I wish PSG was in a better position to win this year's Uefa Champions League because they have spent a lot of money so that they can win the Uefa Champions League.

PSG is a failed team, the have money but they can't develop their team. Since they can hire good coach and good players, that's make them able to dominating in their domestic league. When it comes to international league, they can't force themselves to be better since they lack of chemistry.

Mbappe is a selfish player, but the best player in PSG. Losing him will make PSG become weak, at the same time the team could able to develop because there's no seniority anymore.

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