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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 16, 2024, 12:19:14 PM

There is no doubt that Dortmund is the strongest team in the Champions League this season. They are very cunning. Dortmund's defense is particularly strong. And that's why Dortmund's gameplay against PSG in the semi-final was so stable. And both matches were won by Dortmund.

Dortmund have won the Champions League title once and finished runners-up once in their Champions League history. Dortmund won the Champions League title in 1997. Dortmund became champions in 1997 after defeating Juventus in the final. And in the 2013 final, Dortmund lost against Bayern Munich.

Real Madrid are very experienced in the Champions League platform. On the other hand, this season Dortmund team is tactical. So the Dortmund vs Madrid match looks to be a very competitive one.

And the fact that Dortmund has managed to reach the Final also indicates that this team really has its own way of overcoming the strong teams they have faced. And this method has brought them to the final stage. So Real Madrid really needs to be careful. And from what I have observed, this team even has quite fast surprise attacks. which even overwhelmed PSG several times in the semi-finals yesterday. And we have to admit that Dortmund actually also seems to have very high luck. for example, how many times PSG almost scored a goal but always hit the post and crossbar. One or two times might have been a coincidence but if I remember correctly PSG almost scored a lot of goals and 4 of them hit the post and crossbar. And even Mbappe, who shot from in front of the Dortmund goal, was unlucky at that time because his shot hit the crossbar. So even though Real Madrid may have a better performance, we never know which club luck will side with.

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Well, in the final anything can happen. Unexpected things can also happen. But the problem is that Real Madrid very rarely loses the title when they reach the final round. Dortmund's performance in the last match in the Bundesliga was also not very good. It's just that Dortmund has more preparation time to face the Final match in the Champions League. Because the Bundesliga season will end this week. So Dortmund only has 1 more match in the Bundesliga after that Dortmund has no other schedule before the UCL final. So Dortmund can take advantage of this to make more thorough preparations. Meanwhile, Real Madrid has 2 matches to face before competing in the UCL Final. But for Real Madrid maybe that is normal. So Real Madrid will always be ready for any situation. But we really shouldn't be too confident in the team we like.

I've always told people that Dortmund can be dangerous, there is no doubt about the fact that Real Madrid have all the experience players that they need to conquer their quest to win the champions League final, but I've seen Dortmund play even when they played against PSG i saw how they where able control their defensive pattern, and how they can take on any opportunity to score and try to defend that goal till the end of the match. The champions League final comes with a different aura, so a team like Dortmund would like to prove a point even though for me, they are underdog that shouldn't be seen as an undersong because of how surprising they can be.
I agree with you that Madrid can be ready for any situation, giving the quality of players they have on their own side that can as well turn things around, a very good example is vini junior, that young man has too much of potentials to change the game at any moment.

Borussia Dortmund is indeed the unseeded team in the Champions League this season but with all their efforts they turned into dark horses and were even able to advance to the final. I think Borussia Dortmund have very high motivation to win because the Champions League final is not something they often encounter every season, so they likely won't waste this rare opportunity. It's just that there is one thing that is not yet convincing, I feel that Borussia Dortmund does not yet have a winning mentality like Real Madrid has. So if the final match atmosphere instead weighs them down too much, it would actually take away their opportunity.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 16, 2024, 11:15:55 AM

At the moment, the odds for the Champions League final Dortmund - Real Madrid are as follows:

4.80 - 4.40 - 1.63

Real is the favorite based on literally everything (the selection of players, the position in the national championship, the difficulty of the path to the final that had to be overcome), but Dortmund also has a chance. Dortmund is the kind of team that can beat anyone on a good day, so the final will not be easy for Real.

Madrid are very favorite but I'm not really surprised because looking at the situation that happened where their performance is now very good and with Madrid's high chance, it is quite natural that Madrid are very favorite in today's match but I think it's also a little difficult because looking at the actual odds Madrid is too jumping with Dortmund and that's not really suitable for the final odds.

This is the last match before lifting the trophy so giving such big odds to Dortmund seems as if Dortmund are underestimated and I don't see them like that because for now, looking at the actual final conditions, we know that both clubs still have a chance and Dortmund also actually always plays very well even though the probability is still lower when compared to Real Madrid.

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Quote from: wiss19 on May 16, 2024, 12:45:22 PM

UEFA Champions League is game of quality and consistency with surprises and upsets are also part of this as well before start of the season no one were expecting they are going to have Borussia Dortmund and Real Madrid into final because there were too many strong teams which were giving good performance were favourite, but we have them into final which is huge upset, and now we are expecting good match between two teams even mostly peoples are expecting this is going to be one-sided win for the Real Madrid as they are having good and competitive squad which is giving his best throughout season.

But, as we all know we can expect any result so Borussia Dortmund fans are also excited about this final and looking for their team to win this title second time into their history even their performance was not good into Bundesliga where they are ending at the fifth spot.

Dortmund is not a top team so it is difficult to guess whether this team will make it to the final. The Champions League can always bring surprises, which sometimes makes some people have to accept the harsh reality of the betting market. Real Madrid has always been the favorite and I'm not that surprised that they were able to reach the final, in fact quite a lot of people have said that they will be able to easily beat Dortmund to win their 15th title. However, I still hope that the match can be quite tough and not one-sided because if we refer to the Bundesliga, Dortmund is not worthy of being the champion.

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Lunin staying at Real Madrid would be a very tough thing, I really doubt that will happen. Curtouis is back and he has shown again last game that he hasn't lost a single bit of his skills after the injury, it was a very tough injury that is right, and I do expect Lunin to start at the final game, you do not just stay injured all season long and start playing at the UCL finals, that would be weird, not unlikely and could still happen but I do expect Lunin to play instead.

But that still doesn't mean that Lunin will stay, I think they will go back to Courtois soon enough and next season he will be their goalkeeper. Lunin and Joselu looks like the two players I am pretty sure they will not be working with next season, and Modric seems ot be leaving as well.

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Quote from: iBaba on May 15, 2024, 05:51:18 PM

I am one of the most anxious people to see the result of this final game. Champions league is one big tournament that people are always happy to reach. In fact, it is one trophy that every club in the Europe dreams of. Luckily enough, Real Madrid have been the Champions in the world because they have taken the trophy much more than any other club had. They have become the best club in the Champions league and here they are again this year to witness another yet amazing final which is slated on the 1st of June.

If Dortmund is able to take this trophy they will almost go mad with celebration because this will be another time they will be making it happen again for the second time. It will be a special day and year for them and the entire club will be happy to witness such greatness.

UEFA Champions League is game of quality and consistency with surprises and upsets are also part of this as well before start of the season no one were expecting they are going to have Borussia Dortmund and Real Madrid into final because there were too many strong teams which were giving good performance were favourite, but we have them into final which is huge upset, and now we are expecting good match between two teams even mostly peoples are expecting this is going to be one-sided win for the Real Madrid as they are having good and competitive squad which is giving his best throughout season.

But, as we all know we can expect any result so Borussia Dortmund fans are also excited about this final and looking for their team to win this title second time into their history even their performance was not good into Bundesliga where they are ending at the fifth spot.

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I think no one should underestimate Borussia Dortmund, the final match will of course be different and everything is still possible and every team that has been in the final is the best team this season so I don't think that Real Madrid will underestimate Borussia Dortmund in final match later.
And I think that Real Madrid are favored too much, they are slightly favored because in terms of quality Real Madrid is a little better than Borussia Dortmund this season but I'm sure the final match will still be fierce later.

in a match like this you can never say with certainty who wins or who loses, it is still a final and if both teams have arrived here it means they are strong
honestly I dont think I will bet, it is too difficult to predict, I will just watch the match and enjoy it as a spectator!

We will now only speculate and predict what will happen in the final, if the result is different then this is a match that any team can win, but what we know is that Real Madrid when it is in the final it will be difficult to beat and its history is more won than lost.

I'll be watching and betting that it will be a thrilling spectacle, but I favor Real Madrid over Dortmund because of the experience and quality of the players and the mentality of the players is certainly still far away while Real Madrid has classy experience.

The odds mentioned above are quite reasonable because the bookies certainly give small odds to Real Madrid because many have predicted the final will be won by Los Blancos.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on May 16, 2024, 11:25:51 AM

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Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL, they have quite a high mentality when playing in the UCL final match and also the opponent they will face is Dortmund who are not stronger in strength than Real Madrid so it is natural that Real Madrid are favored and they are quite confident.
However, this should not be excessive because in the final match anything is possible to happen so Real Madrid still has to be wary of Dortmund.

Well, in the final anything can happen. Unexpected things can also happen. But the problem is that Real Madrid very rarely loses the title when they reach the final round. Dortmund's performance in the last match in the Bundesliga was also not very good. It's just that Dortmund has more preparation time to face the Final match in the Champions League. Because the Bundesliga season will end this week. So Dortmund only has 1 more match in the Bundesliga after that Dortmund has no other schedule before the UCL final. So Dortmund can take advantage of this to make more thorough preparations. Meanwhile, Real Madrid has 2 matches to face before competing in the UCL Final. But for Real Madrid maybe that is normal. So Real Madrid will always be ready for any situation. But we really shouldn't be too confident in the team we like.

I've always told people that Dortmund can be dangerous, there is no doubt about the fact that Real Madrid have all the experience players that they need to conquer their quest to win the champions League final, but I've seen Dortmund play even when they played against PSG i saw how they where able control their defensive pattern, and how they can take on any opportunity to score and try to defend that goal till the end of the match. The champions League final comes with a different aura, so a team like Dortmund would like to prove a point even though for me, they are underdog that shouldn't be seen as an undersong because of how surprising they can be.
I agree with you that Madrid can be ready for any situation, giving the quality of players they have on their own side that can as well turn things around, a very good example is vini junior, that young man has too much of potentials to change the game at any moment.

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Quote from: Farma on May 16, 2024, 02:34:26 AM

I think no one should underestimate Borussia Dortmund, the final match will of course be different and everything is still possible and every team that has been in the final is the best team this season so I don't think that Real Madrid will underestimate Borussia Dortmund in final match later.
And I think that Real Madrid are favored too much, they are slightly favored because in terms of quality Real Madrid is a little better than Borussia Dortmund this season but I'm sure the final match will still be fierce later.

in a match like this you can never say with certainty who wins or who loses, it is still a final and if both teams have arrived here it means they are strong
honestly I dont think I will bet, it is too difficult to predict, I will just watch the match and enjoy it as a spectator!

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 16, 2024, 11:15:55 AM

At the moment, the odds for the Champions League final Dortmund - Real Madrid are as follows:

4.80 - 4.40 - 1.63

Real is the favorite based on literally everything (the selection of players, the position in the national championship, the difficulty of the path to the final that had to be overcome), but Dortmund also has a chance. Dortmund is the kind of team that can beat anyone on a good day, so the final will not be easy for Real.

The odds will definitely be in favour of Real Madrid since they have been in the limelight of European competitions and are successful in most of their finals so we shouldn't expect anything less, for Borussia Dortmund they have won the champions League ones of of the two times the reached the finals, they won juventus in 1997 by 3:1 and lift the trophy that was their first ever Champions league trophy till date and during that year champions league it was recorded that Dortmund won Manchester united by 1:0 each in first leg and second leg in the semi finals and had an aggregate result of 2:0 before they entered the finals and won Juventus. Now will history repeat itself again this season because Borussia Dortmund also won PSG by 1:0 in both first and second leg of this seasons semi finals and also had an aggregate result of 2:0 and they're in the finals with Real Madrid now.

Real Madrid in the other hand have the best champions league record as they have won the trophy on 14th occasion out of their 17 appearance in the finals and achievement no other club have gotten in the champions league history so definitely the finals is gonna be Epic regardless of the fact that Real Madrid have better chances of lifting the trophy again.

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At the moment, the odds for the Champions League final Dortmund - Real Madrid are as follows:

4.80 - 4.40 - 1.63

Real is the favorite based on literally everything (the selection of players, the position in the national championship, the difficulty of the path to the final that had to be overcome), but Dortmund also has a chance. Dortmund is the kind of team that can beat anyone on a good day, so the final will not be easy for Real.

Dortmund in the coming final match with Real Madrid will lack of a world class striker like Robert Lewandowski years ago when he scored four goals against Real Madrid. Dortmund in this season have main of their strength from team working and they don't rely too much on any single star player. This makes Dortmund is an united team with considerable strength to play together, against many strong opponents.

They can play defensive and attacking as a united squad for a common objective of their team and their players are very disciplined to follow tactical commands from their coach. Together with a team-working strength, they will challenge Real Madrid a lot in the final even they are not favorite team to win the match.

There is no doubt that Dortmund is the strongest team in the Champions League this season. They are very cunning. Dortmund's defense is particularly strong. And that's why Dortmund's gameplay against PSG in the semi-final was so stable. And both matches were won by Dortmund.

Dortmund have won the Champions League title once and finished runners-up once in their Champions League history. Dortmund won the Champions League title in 1997. Dortmund became champions in 1997 after defeating Juventus in the final. And in the 2013 final, Dortmund lost against Bayern Munich.

Real Madrid are very experienced in the Champions League platform. On the other hand, this season Dortmund team is tactical. So the Dortmund vs Madrid match looks to be a very competitive one.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 16, 2024, 11:15:55 AM

At the moment, the odds for the Champions League final Dortmund - Real Madrid are as follows:

4.80 - 4.40 - 1.63

Real is the favorite based on literally everything (the selection of players, the position in the national championship, the difficulty of the path to the final that had to be overcome), but Dortmund also has a chance. Dortmund is the kind of team that can beat anyone on a good day, so the final will not be easy for Real.

Dortmund in the coming final match with Real Madrid will lack of a world class striker like Robert Lewandowski years ago when he scored four goals against Real Madrid. Dortmund in this season have main of their strength from team working and they don't rely too much on any single star player. This makes Dortmund is an united team with considerable strength to play together, against many strong opponents.

They can play defensive and attacking as a united squad for a common objective of their team and their players are very disciplined to follow tactical commands from their coach. Together with a team-working strength, they will challenge Real Madrid a lot in the final even they are not favorite team to win the match.

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Quote from: bangjoe on May 16, 2024, 09:13:31 AM

It is natural that Real Madrid is very confident to win the Champion league, besides because Madrid has gained peace in the Domestic League because their victory has been set before the League match is finished in La Liga, and we saw yesterday's match Real Madrid against Alaves using their second layer players to maintain the stamina of some of their main players.

Meanwhile Dortmund lost to Mainz05 by 3 - 0, but overall Dortmund dominated the match and it makes no sense not to get a goal, I suspect this is a trap for Real Madrid so that they let their guard down and assume that Dortmund are weak, as many people say.

Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL, they have quite a high mentality when playing in the UCL final match and also the opponent they will face is Dortmund who are not stronger in strength than Real Madrid so it is natural that Real Madrid are favored and they are quite confident.
However, this should not be excessive because in the final match anything is possible to happen so Real Madrid still has to be wary of Dortmund.

Real Madrid can definitely get a very good victory against Dortmund, because it is true as you say that Real Madrid has a winning mentality and a very good experienced UCL ruler, while Dortmund itself cannot be imagined to get an easy victory for Dortmund against Real Madrid with a lot of experience.

The defeat of Mainz 05 shows how much it is possible to give us confidence about the potential of Dortmund to win the final match, this is a reflection of us for an assessment of dortmund, on the other hand also Dortmund got a pretty good position in its journey in the UCL league, until it could reach the final match quite well.

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Quote from: bangjoe on May 16, 2024, 09:13:31 AM

It is natural that Real Madrid is very confident to win the Champion league, besides because Madrid has gained peace in the Domestic League because their victory has been set before the League match is finished in La Liga, and we saw yesterday's match Real Madrid against Alaves using their second layer players to maintain the stamina of some of their main players.

Meanwhile Dortmund lost to Mainz05 by 3 - 0, but overall Dortmund dominated the match and it makes no sense not to get a goal, I suspect this is a trap for Real Madrid so that they let their guard down and assume that Dortmund are weak, as many people say.

Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL, they have quite a high mentality when playing in the UCL final match and also the opponent they will face is Dortmund who are not stronger in strength than Real Madrid so it is natural that Real Madrid are favored and they are quite confident.
However, this should not be excessive because in the final match anything is possible to happen so Real Madrid still has to be wary of Dortmund.

Wining most of the UCL trophies is not a guarantee that Real Madrid would win this season. Football is unpredictable and you shouldn't think Dortmund won't win the league. Since they have struggled and reach the final level, they can possibly win the league if that is what fate has kept for them.

However, it's very closed 1st of June is the day and i believe there is enough time for Dortmund to prepare themselves. Real Madrid may likely give the title to Dortmund at the end if they are not defensive cautious.

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Quote from: BABY SHOES on May 16, 2024, 09:48:28 AM

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It is natural that Real Madrid is very confident to win the Champion league, besides because Madrid has gained peace in the Domestic League because their victory has been set before the League match is finished in La Liga, and we saw yesterday's match Real Madrid against Alaves using their second layer players to maintain the stamina of some of their main players.

Meanwhile Dortmund lost to Mainz05 by 3 - 0, but overall Dortmund dominated the match and it makes no sense not to get a goal, I suspect this is a trap for Real Madrid so that they let their guard down and assume that Dortmund are weak, as many people say.

Dortmund too do not need to chase any points they are now only preparing to play Real Madrid in the final means next season Dortmund do not enter the champions league because they are in 5th place in the Bundesliga unless the UCL champion.

Both teams will prepare themselves to play in the league with the rest of the match not fully the main players are dropped, but I feel Dortmund will not be able to win but the match will still be interesting because this final is certainly prestigious.

I wouldn't consider this a trap for Real Madrid, we know Bayern Munich who already won was able to make a comeback by Real Madrid in the last minute.

Real Madrid and Dortmund are already in safe positions in their respective league standings and also, the Champions League final was played when the league was over. Not only that, because Dortmund also got a longer break compared to Real Madrid. Because after all,Dortmund will play their last Bundesliga match on the 18th, while Real Madrid will play their last La Liga match on the 26th. Meanwhile,the Champions League final match will be played on the 2nd, at least with these factors it is still verypossible for Dortmund to getbetter preparation. But indeed,whatever factors happen, basically Real Madrid will remain the favorite team, because Real Madrid really has a very good winning mentality.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 16, 2024, 11:15:55 AM

At the moment, the odds for the Champions League final Dortmund - Real Madrid are as follows:

4.80 - 4.40 - 1.63

Real is the favorite based on literally everything (the selection of players, the position in the national championship, the difficulty of the path to the final that had to be overcome), but Dortmund also has a chance. Dortmund is the kind of team that can beat anyone on a good day, so the final will not be easy for Real.

Based on the odds, we can see that the chances of winning are bigger than Real Madrid, although Dortmund will face this with all their might even for the Bundesliga match alone Dortmund still suffered a crushing defeat while Real Madrid is still mighty with its victory.

In essence I will pick Real Madrid to win there is no other reason for this even though there are those out there who favor Dortmund as a mediocre team capable of beating Real Madrid in the final.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 16, 2024, 11:15:55 AM

At the moment, the odds for the Champions League final Dortmund - Real Madrid are as follows:

4.80 - 4.40 - 1.63

Real is the favorite based on literally everything (the selection of players, the position in the national championship, the difficulty of the path to the final that had to be overcome), but Dortmund also has a chance. Dortmund is the kind of team that can beat anyone on a good day, so the final will not be easy for Real.

Madrid are of course favourites to win the final because Madrid have everything they need to win the Champions League this season, experience, mentality, consistency and also a star squad are certainly the reasons many people make Madrid favourites, as you said, at the moment Madrid have small refund money compared to Dortmund if we bet on their victory, Although it is very likely that we will be able to get money from the bets we make later, but I think there is nothing wrong for us to go against the grain by betting for a draw or Dortmund victory, so that if Dortmund win or draw of course we will get bigger money even though the chances are very small, but isn't everything possible in football?

Despite all the predictions, of course I will try to bet on Dortmund because there is still a possibility that Dortmund could force Madrid to draw in the final match, Dortmund of course has anticipated the attack and also the pressure that is indeed given by Madrid in the game, because I think Edin Terzic will certainly have a strategy and also a special tactic to stop Madrid in that match as they did when against PSG in the semifinals.

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Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL, they have quite a high mentality when playing in the UCL final match and also the opponent they will face is Dortmund who are not stronger in strength than Real Madrid so it is natural that Real Madrid are favored and they are quite confident.
However, this should not be excessive because in the final match anything is possible to happen so Real Madrid still has to be wary of Dortmund.

At the moment, the odds for the Champions League final Dortmund - Real Madrid are as follows:

4.80 - 4.40 - 1.63

Real is the favorite based on literally everything (the selection of players, the position in the national championship, the difficulty of the path to the final that had to be overcome), but Dortmund also has a chance. Dortmund is the kind of team that can beat anyone on a good day, so the final will not be easy for Real.

4.8 - 1.63 odd is a huge difference Grin

. Real Madrid has always been the favorite to winning big games especially finals. A team of miracle that plays unimaginable type of football till the final whistle. Real has been able to stand out from other clubs that compete in European competitions, due to the quality of players they sign over quantity. But let's not under estimate Dortmund either as they can unpredictably be the underdog in the finals.

Personally, I wanted a team who hasn't won the ucl to grab this year's own, but not against a team like real madrid. If Dortmund happens to win this(even with the massive odd), Sancho's movement to Dortmund might be finalized, and ten hag would possibly be the laughing stock Grin

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Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL, they have quite a high mentality when playing in the UCL final match and also the opponent they will face is Dortmund who are not stronger in strength than Real Madrid so it is natural that Real Madrid are favored and they are quite confident.
However, this should not be excessive because in the final match anything is possible to happen so Real Madrid still has to be wary of Dortmund.

Well, in the final anything can happen. Unexpected things can also happen. But the problem is that Real Madrid very rarely loses the title when they reach the final round. Dortmund's performance in the last match in the Bundesliga was also not very good. It's just that Dortmund has more preparation time to face the Final match in the Champions League. Because the Bundesliga season will end this week. So Dortmund only has 1 more match in the Bundesliga after that Dortmund has no other schedule before the UCL final. So Dortmund can take advantage of this to make more thorough preparations. Meanwhile, Real Madrid has 2 matches to face before competing in the UCL Final. But for Real Madrid maybe that is normal. So Real Madrid will always be ready for any situation. But we really shouldn't be too confident in the team we like.

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Quote from: ancafe on May 15, 2024, 10:22:47 PM

The tension of the game in this league is different and there is a lot of pressure that may not be found when playing in the domestic league. This is what makes Real Madrid the favorites because they are very used to pressure and even in just a few minutes they can pose a threat to their opponents. I'm not sure how mentally the Dortmund players will be motivated by their coach, but when facing the king of Champions it will be much different from facing several other teams.

The 10 minutes before the end of the match will be a threat for Dortmund and they must learn how Real Madrid always surprises in those minutes. If in the early minutes of the match Real Madrid is able to score a goal then the opportunity for Dortmund can be said to have failed miserably.

Everyone is having his own view about this final game which is going to play on 1st June at the Wembley in front of the 90,000 fans in stadium and millions will be watch this game at their homes which make this game as one of the prestigious in world and Real Madrid is one of the most successful club in this event's history with they are having amazing history and success which give them huge advantage and their success is just because of their long run system which is allowing their players to play and having their best in these pressure games.

Currently, they are having few one of the best in soccer players like Jude Bellingham and Vinícius Júnior which are doing their best and Borussia Dortmund which is having mostly are youngsters, and they are desperate to show their best in this final which is making this game more exciting and things could be surely at his best with who is winning it's not matter for the soccer fans they are waiting for the best soccer.

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