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It would be very funny if Borussia Dortmund were afraid of Real Madrid, and if only they really had that pessimistic feeling, then that would only be the beginning of their nightmare. Whoever team makes it to the final, will definitely have the ambition to win the trophy because it is only one step away. No exception with Borussia Dortmund, even though they are aware that Real Madrid has a level and power above them but they were certainly ready for the final match because playing in the Champions League final is not an opportunity that they can easily get at another time.

Sometimes the opposite happens: teams facing a good opponent get fired up and become stronger than they should be.
Unfortunately it is a psychological issue that cannot be predicted or controlled, but in most cases, as you rightly say, fear can come and completely block you.

At least, they will be playing without pressure because after all, qualifying for the Champions League final is already a great achievement for Dortmund. Also, the Champions League final will also be played when the team is only focused on the Champions League final match because after all,the league season is also coming to an end. So yes, because they will no longer have the pressure of a busy schedule, it is possible to keep the psychology in good shape. So, it doesn't seem right to say that Dortmund will be pessimistic because ofcourse, any team that plays in the final match of course they will do their best even if they fail to become champions, but at least they have done their best.
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however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.
Dortmund has a good defense, but Real Madrid is a solid team. Several times Real Madrid faced teams with good defense but they managed to win the match even with a score of 1-0. This could be a challenge for Dortmund. One important note here is that although many say Ancelotti is a coach who lacks tactics, he is a genius coach who can adapt game tactics. When the opposing team managed to overcome Ancelotti's tactics, Don Carlo would adapt in the second half. This can be seen in the matches against Munich and City. Because of this, many people say to watch Real Madrid until the end of the match.
Exactly. No matter how defensive or tough a club can be, Ancelotti would find a way to break the defense of the team before the end of 90 minutes of play.
What Ancelotti would do in such a match(giving Real Madrid heads on not to score) is make some changes in Real Madrid's squad in the second half, and the whole match tension or formation of the match would change in Real Madrid's favor.

I have never seen a coach as humble as Ancelotti. He doesn't get moved or feel so excited each time Real Madrid wins big matches. He's always calm, thinking of the next move to make for Real Madrid to win their matches either in Laliga or the Champions League. I believe Ancelotti has drawn out his plans for the Champions League finals against Dortmund. He may choose to use a 4-4-2 formation
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one of Dortmund advantages that can be utilized perfectly against PSG is that Dortmund has very good defensive abilities and even PSG was unable to break down the very strong defense that Dortmund has even though this team is really not the favorite but Terzic managed to prove that Dortmund is worthy of the given praise.
however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.

Looking for a way to break the defense of Dortmund will be the first thing that Real Madrid will focus on when they play in the finals. For a very strong teams defense, it pose a great threat to Real Madrid not winning the champions league trophy which they wouldn’t want to be said are defeated by a team not as strong and qualitative as they are. Dortmund old also be looking for potholes in Real Madrid’s game style and if they’re able to see and utilize one, they will defend the rest of the game which will mean that Real Madrid’s win will be under probability in that match. Real Madrid is still the favourites but let’s see how the game is going to be played out on that day.

I was surprised when Borussia Dortmund won PSG at home and knocked them out of the UEFA Champions League to set up a final with Real Madrid, who also beat Bayern Munich. I thought that PSG would beat Borussia Dortmund in their second tie just the way they did to Barcelona in their second tie of the UEFA Champions League quarterfinal, but Borussia Dortmund produced a surprising result that most football fans couldn't believe. Borussia Dortmund has been surprising everyone since the round 16 of this season's UEFA Champions League, and they can do the same thing to Real Madrid if they don't see them as a strong opponent.

Dortmund were able to beat PSG in the semifinals and that continues to be a surprise to us all and for that same reason, it makes many ponder if they can win the champions league finals against Real Madrid. To be honest, they can try their best and sometimes luck shines and if it’s their turn to shine on the luck, they can produce a great gameplay that Real Madrid won’t be able to withstand and will be defeated by them.
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It would be very funny if Borussia Dortmund were afraid of Real Madrid, and if only they really had that pessimistic feeling, then that would only be the beginning of their nightmare. Whoever team makes it to the final, will definitely have the ambition to win the trophy because it is only one step away. No exception with Borussia Dortmund, even though they are aware that Real Madrid has a level and power above them but they were certainly ready for the final match because playing in the Champions League final is not an opportunity that they can easily get at another time.

Sometimes the opposite happens: teams facing a good opponent get fired up and become stronger than they should be.
Unfortunately it is a psychological issue that cannot be predicted or controlled, but in most cases, as you rightly say, fear can come and completely block you.
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Yes, maybe this is what Dortmund will take advantage of when everyone thinks Dortmund is not the favorite team, so they will play loose even though they actually hope to bring back big ears like 1997.
So actually the pressure is on Real Madrid, but everyone knows Real Madrid's mentality so they will probably get used to that pressure.
Dortmund, who are considered weak, are trying to steal a gap to be able to steal a goal and hopefully Dortmund can take advantage of this situation.
one of Dortmund advantages that can be utilized perfectly against PSG is that Dortmund has very good defensive abilities and even PSG was unable to break down the very strong defense that Dortmund has even though this team is really not the favorite but Terzic managed to prove that Dortmund is worthy of the given praise.
however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.
Are you saying that Real Madrid cannot penetrate the defense of Dortmund? If yes, you have thought wrong. I have watched Real Madrid destroyed any defense line in football and Dortmund is not an exemption. Are you forgetting that Real Madrid has one of the most offensive attackers in football right now. Its hard to play Real Madrid and they wont score you a goal i dont think its possible. If Dortmund wants to win the match they have to hold their defense strong to limit the number of goals Real Madrid might score and they have to score more as well.
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There was also a difference in quality between Borussia Dortmund and PSG. Although PSG was the team that played better in both matches, the balls returning from the post caused them to be eliminated. That's why Real Madrid will have to be careful. Dortmund is never a team to be taken lightly. I really like their style of play. There are also dangerous offensive players. Although Real Madrid seems to be the favorite, they should remember that Dortmund is also a sleeping tiger.
Honestly when a "better" team, or at least overall the team with the odds favouring them, ends up losing at this stage, that does scare me for the other games as well. Same goes for Europa as well as UCL too, because in Europa we have seen Atalanta manage to beat Liverpool, and everyone thought that Liverpool had the highest chance, and up until that point Liverpool was leading the premier league too, so it looked like they would be a great team, and Atalanta beat them so badly that Liverpool is now finishing third in premier league.

This doesn't mean that Dortmund will be the same, but if they managed to beat this many teams, that means Real will have a tough time too, and it is not going to be as easy as people think it will be.
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Yes, maybe this is what Dortmund will take advantage of when everyone thinks Dortmund is not the favorite team, so they will play loose even though they actually hope to bring back big ears like 1997.
So actually the pressure is on Real Madrid, but everyone knows Real Madrid's mentality so they will probably get used to that pressure.
Dortmund, who are considered weak, are trying to steal a gap to be able to steal a goal and hopefully Dortmund can take advantage of this situation.
one of Dortmund advantages that can be utilized perfectly against PSG is that Dortmund has very good defensive abilities and even PSG was unable to break down the very strong defense that Dortmund has even though this team is really not the favorite but Terzic managed to prove that Dortmund is worthy of the given praise.
however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.
Dortmund is strong enough to stop PSG, but not strong enough to stop Real Madrid from becoming champions for the 15th time in football history. Dortmund have a good defense which was why they were able to win PSG, and let us not also forget that PSG was just unlucky in both matches.

Real Madrid is a team that knows how to penetrate into any tight defense, because they will always create a way out when you think that there is no way. If the first eleven players cannot break in, then the players on the bench will come into the field and distabilize that defense, because they have being observing the match from outside the field, and they must have an idea on how to breakthrough for a goal.
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Dortmund has a good defense, but Real Madrid is a solid team. Several times Real Madrid faced teams with good defense but they managed to win the match even with a score of 1-0. This could be a challenge for Dortmund. One important note here is that although many say Ancelotti is a coach who lacks tactics, he is a genius coach who can adapt game tactics. When the opposing team managed to overcome Ancelotti's tactics, Don Carlo would adapt in the second half. This can be seen in the matches against Munich and City. Because of this, many people say to watch Real Madrid until the end of the match.
So far I don't consider Dortmund to have and deserve more than a 30% chance of winning the final against Real Madrid. Dortmund certainly has a good defense, especially in a number of their matches in the Champions League, but Real Madrid has many reliable players who are very capable of putting high pressure on Dortmund's defense and forcing them to lose concentration in defense.

Vinicius is a good player and he is very difficult to stop. When Vinicius is at the peak of his performance, he can do more and that is clearly a problem for the opposing team's defense throughout the match. Rodrygo and Bellingham can put themselves in the right position to score goals, but these two players also have their own skills in dribbling and scoring goals. Real Madrid is the main favorite to win the Champions League title after Manchester City and Bayern Munich lost, that is a fact now.
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Real Madrid are the kings of the UCL, they have quite a high mentality when playing in the UCL final match and also the opponent they will face is Dortmund who are not stronger in strength than Real Madrid so it is natural that Real Madrid are favored and they are quite confident.
However, this should not be excessive because in the final match anything is possible to happen so Real Madrid still has to be wary of Dortmund.

At the moment, the odds for the Champions League final Dortmund - Real Madrid are as follows:

4.80 - 4.40 - 1.63

Real is the favorite based on literally everything (the selection of players, the position in the national championship, the difficulty of the path to the final that had to be overcome), but Dortmund also has a chance. Dortmund is the kind of team that can beat anyone on a good day, so the final will not be easy for Real.

Dortmund's chance was coming from its luck. No more than it. Bellingham was the key player here as he knew that the gameplay of his former club. Im wondering how can we know if it will be a good or bad day for dortmund?  Grin

Facing real madrid in the final is obviously a bad day for dortmund. King madrid will be once again take its 15 times UCL to the santiago bernabeu.

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one of Dortmund advantages that can be utilized perfectly against PSG is that Dortmund has very good defensive abilities and even PSG was unable to break down the very strong defense that Dortmund has even though this team is really not the favorite but Terzic managed to prove that Dortmund is worthy of the given praise.
however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.

Look beyond PSG match against Dortmund and you will understand that Dortmund aren't that good like that, it was easy for Atletico Madrid to print goals on them but there is one thing they are so good at, they are good at quick counter attack and then guide in defensive, they rush to make goals and then come back to guide and defend, that was what PSG didn't decode in both home and away, they were attacking and Dortmund were defending and attacking together.

Anceloti will break that guide strategies under some minutes in the first few minutes of the match, they did that with Liverpool in their last Champions League final and they hold them down till the end of the match. I'm even expecting atleast over 1.5 goals from Real Madrid on that game day.
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I was surprised when Borussia Dortmund won PSG at home and knocked them out of the UEFA Champions League to set up a final with Real Madrid, who also beat Bayern Munich. I thought that PSG would beat Borussia Dortmund in their second tie just the way they did to Barcelona in their second tie of the UEFA Champions League quarterfinal, but Borussia Dortmund produced a surprising result that most football fans couldn't believe. Borussia Dortmund has been surprising everyone since the round 16 of this season's UEFA Champions League, and they can do the same thing to Real Madrid if they don't see them as a strong opponent.
In this UCL, Dortmund always surprises us all. The reason is that of course not many people thought that Dortmund would advance to the UCL final this time. Even in the quarter-finals when Dortmund faced Atletico Madrid, at that time the majority of people predicted that Atletico Madrid would win the match. However, it turns out that Dortmund managed to break this prediction. Then in the semifinals when they faced PSG, the situation was still the same, namely many parties favored PSG to win. However, Dortmund broke it again. Then now in the final round against Real Madrid, the majority of people definitely predict that Real Madrid will win. So whether Dortmund can break this prediction again, I think it's possible. The reason is that in this UCL, Dortmund has had several lucky breaks. So, in this final round, it is possible that Dortmund will also be able to break all predictions that say Real Madrid will become champions.
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Dortmund has a good defense, but Real Madrid is a solid team. Several times Real Madrid faced teams with good defense but they managed to win the match even with a score of 1-0. This could be a challenge for Dortmund. One important note here is that although many say Ancelotti is a coach who lacks tactics, he is a genius coach who can adapt game tactics. When the opposing team managed to overcome Ancelotti's tactics, Don Carlo would adapt in the second half. This can be seen in the matches against Munich and City. Because of this, many people say to watch Real Madrid until the end of the match.
Ancelotti is a coach who is able to read more tactics when the opponents they face start to play very well so that the opposing team always looks more difficult when Ancelotti applies something that is more different from what his opponent uses, especially if the match is the last match that will determine champion. It is clear that Dortmund must be more careful in making their defense and also in attacking, because Real Madrid, apart from having players who are able to break down their opponent's defense, are also able to provide more dangerous counter-attacks.
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Theoretically, Dortmund players should not be afraid of anything at all and play in the final with a clear conscience, since they have already jumped over their heads and ended up in the final (which, even if they lose, gives good financial bonuses). No matter how Dortmund loses (if they lose), no one will blame them. In this sense, Dortmund players should feel as comfortable as possible. But this is theoretical, in fact it is difficult to imagine how you will feel if you get to the final of a competition that may be the only final in your life.
Been afraid is normal and both when you are to afraid is not normal, and from what it is when they start playing they will start building back there confidence. Even Madrid players will not be comfortable. Because they will be wondering what Dortmund as also been cooking.  And they will want to stop Dortmund by all means. And if any of them should lose i don't see the reason why they should be blamed. Making it to the finals is a lot of work. Because they would have played against clubs but they qualified and even that is enough credit Because if it was easy other clubs would have done the same but they were not capable. And Dortmund will find it hard to defeat Madrid because of the experience they possess in the Champions League.
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however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.
Dortmund has a good defense, but Real Madrid is a solid team. Several times Real Madrid faced teams with good defense but they managed to win the match even with a score of 1-0. This could be a challenge for Dortmund. One important note here is that although many say Ancelotti is a coach who lacks tactics, he is a genius coach who can adapt game tactics. When the opposing team managed to overcome Ancelotti's tactics, Don Carlo would adapt in the second half. This can be seen in the matches against Munich and City. Because of this, many people say to watch Real Madrid until the end of the match.
This is one of the advantage Borussia Dortmund will use to surprise people in this game, to beat Real Madrid to lift the trophy because they have good defenders that will make those Real Madrid strikes to fail not to secure a goal.

Since Real Madrid have been facing some teams with good defense and beat them, I guess Borussia Dortmund players will break that record in this final game, because they will surely add more strength to their defense to ensure they disorganized Real Madrid plan in this final game.

I know that the game will not going to be easy for the two team to win easily, but Borussia Dortmund is very close to such opportunity to win this UEFA champions league trophy because their coach will do what he have not done before just to make his players stronger as never before in this game.
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It would be very funny if Borussia Dortmund were afraid of Real Madrid, and if only they really had that pessimistic feeling, then that would only be the beginning of their nightmare. Whoever team makes it to the final, will definitely have the ambition to win the trophy because it is only one step away. No exception with Borussia Dortmund, even though they are aware that Real Madrid has a level and power above them but they were certainly ready for the final match because playing in the Champions League final is not an opportunity that they can easily get at another time.
Real Madrid status in this match as the favourite because if we see based on the history we all know Real Madrid has 14 titles in competition and about Dortmund previously nobody thought Dortmund will be able to advances to the final match but surprisingly they can eliminate PSG so i think this proven Dortmund has champion mentallity too and certainly Dortmund will not fear to Real Madrid even they are very confident will beat Real Madrid but indeed before this match some of the players from both teams has got injured

Based on the recent conditions from Real Madrid the condition for their main goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois still uncertain because recently Courtois was confirmed he has return to injured again but Ancelotti still hopes he will be available for the final match later but if Courtois really absense i think Ancelotti shouldn't be worried because Real Madrid has Andriy Lunin however for this match some people has been predict Real Madrid will be dominate from ball possessions and Dortmund will playing with slightly defense but just like i said before both teams has equal chances to gets the trophy and the match will be so tight later
I wasn't surprised when bookmakers and almost everyone I know went for Real Madrid as the favourites to win the UEFA Champions League final against their German opponents Borussia Dortmund and that's because as a Real Madrid fan, I've watched the team achieve so many records over the years as well as the unmatchable team spirit of the team when compared to other clubs in Europe. Borussia Dortmund came to final with just one aim and that's to win the competition I also think they deserve their own respect. The mentality Borussia Dortmund have shown in the competition this season in my own opinion is strong enough to defeat any team including Real Madrid so underrating them might be detrimental to Real Madrid's quest to win the competition for the 15th time
The debates about who should stand in-between the sticks for Real Madrid in that final I don't think is necessary. The club manager is a very experienced manager and I totally trust his tactical judgements so I think he'll choose the best for the game. If  he should make his decision by merit, Lunin deserves to be Real Madrid's goalkeeper in that final ahead of Courtois
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however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.
Dortmund have the opportunity to surprise Madrid in the game with their solid and well-organized defense and also the surprise counterattack built by Dortmund will certainly be quite aggressive and endanger Madrid defense, but I think the experience that Madrid has so far in facing other strong teams in Europe will certainly be ready to anticipate it,  In the final I am quite sure that the majority of the members here of course make Madrid as favourites but in the final match I think there is no favorite team because indeed both have the same chance to beat each other, Edin Terzic has given us a new picture of Dortmund performance and in the last two seasons Dortmund have risen to be title contenders in every competition they participate in.

In this case, both teams will of course promise an impressive game while minimizing mistakes that might cost them, so it seems that betting to get a draw is a good option for us to maybe get a little money from the game, I personally see if Dortmund has the ability to trouble and hold Madrid until normal time the game ends.
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Paris Saint germain didn't fo well in the qualifying round even their win against Barcelona was because bothe teams played rubbish, Borussia Dortmund had this chance cause they were able to take advantage over paris saint germains bad form, you said they missed chances how many of those chances were created, it was all a mistake and no accuracy in their shots.

Real Madrid would be having a real work over in July, but it's still a win for Borussia Dortmundto have made it to the finals amongst other big clubs, I think if Madrid wins the ballon dkr title might go to Bellingham.
Dortmund surprised all of us because they were able to destroy a strong team in the Champions League this season, many of us think that Dortmund was only lucky to qualify for the semi-finals, but I think all the achievements obtained by Dortmund this season are none other than hard work and also the unyielding attitude they have become an important factor for Dortmund in reaching the final round,  Unlike PSG, whose escape to the semi-finals this season cannot be kept away from the red card obtained by Barcelona in the match, if Barcelona do not get a red card in the match, of course we will most likely see Dortmund and Barcelona who will meet in the semi-finals this season.

Now that Dortmund and Madrid have reached the Champions League final, of course it will be interesting to see how Bellingham will try to destroy the team he strengthened last season, Madrid are currently the most favored team to win the Champions League because of their experience, mentality and performance, but Dortmund are certainly not an easy opponent to face in the final because of their motivation and unyielding attitude Of course, it is possible that they can beat Madrid later, speaking of the Ballon d'Or, of course we don't see any other player who might be more worthy of the Ballon d'Or than Bellingham.
I was surprised when Borussia Dortmund won PSG at home and knocked them out of the UEFA Champions League to set up a final with Real Madrid, who also beat Bayern Munich. I thought that PSG would beat Borussia Dortmund in their second tie just the way they did to Barcelona in their second tie of the UEFA Champions League quarterfinal, but Borussia Dortmund produced a surprising result that most football fans couldn't believe. Borussia Dortmund has been surprising everyone since the round 16 of this season's UEFA Champions League, and they can do the same thing to Real Madrid if they don't see them as a strong opponent.
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It would be very funny if Borussia Dortmund were afraid of Real Madrid, and if only they really had that pessimistic feeling, then that would only be the beginning of their nightmare. Whoever team makes it to the final, will definitely have the ambition to win the trophy because it is only one step away. No exception with Borussia Dortmund, even though they are aware that Real Madrid has a level and power above them but they were certainly ready for the final match because playing in the Champions League final is not an opportunity that they can easily get at another time.
Real Madrid status in this match as the favourite because if we see based on the history we all know Real Madrid has 14 titles in competition and about Dortmund previously nobody thought Dortmund will be able to advances to the final match but surprisingly they can eliminate PSG so i think this proven Dortmund has champion mentallity too and certainly Dortmund will not fear to Real Madrid even they are very confident will beat Real Madrid but indeed before this match some of the players from both teams has got injured

Based on the recent conditions from Real Madrid the condition for their main goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois still uncertain because recently Courtois was confirmed he has return to injured again but Ancelotti still hopes he will be available for the final match later but if Courtois really absense i think Ancelotti shouldn't be worried because Real Madrid has Andriy Lunin however for this match some people has been predict Real Madrid will be dominate from ball possessions and Dortmund will playing with slightly defense but just like i said before both teams has equal chances to gets the trophy and the match will be so tight later
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however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.
Dortmund has a good defense, but Real Madrid is a solid team. Several times Real Madrid faced teams with good defense but they managed to win the match even with a score of 1-0. This could be a challenge for Dortmund. One important note here is that although many say Ancelotti is a coach who lacks tactics, he is a genius coach who can adapt game tactics. When the opposing team managed to overcome Ancelotti's tactics, Don Carlo would adapt in the second half. This can be seen in the matches against Munich and City. Because of this, many people say to watch Real Madrid until the end of the match.
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Yes, maybe this is what Dortmund will take advantage of when everyone thinks Dortmund is not the favorite team, so they will play loose even though they actually hope to bring back big ears like 1997.
So actually the pressure is on Real Madrid, but everyone knows Real Madrid's mentality so they will probably get used to that pressure.
Dortmund, who are considered weak, are trying to steal a gap to be able to steal a goal and hopefully Dortmund can take advantage of this situation.
one of Dortmund advantages that can be utilized perfectly against PSG is that Dortmund has very good defensive abilities and even PSG was unable to break down the very strong defense that Dortmund has even though this team is really not the favorite but Terzic managed to prove that Dortmund is worthy of the given praise.
however, even though Dortmund hopes look very big, beating Real Madrid is not something easy because mentally Madrid is always more prepared to be able to look for empty places to continue to put pressure on Dortmund defense until Ancelotti sees where Dortmund weaknesses are and will be attacked strongly in the second half second.
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