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I think Erik Ten Hag's coaching was a nice change in the early days of the team. But it has changed over time. He may be the source of the team's problems. Since he is the team's problem, it is necessary to consider the possibility of being sent off from the team. Manchester United players must now play more ambitiously for their team, and for this a coach like Mourinho is essential.

Eric Ten Hag is definitely the problem Manchester united is facing now, since his coaching techniques and tactics ain't working anymore the best is for him to evacuate the club rather than waiting for him to be sacked by the club. For me if a coach sees that he isn't making a head way in the club he should rather resign and go to another club, he might even perform better if he goes to another club. Manchester united needs a coach that can align with their way of play so until such a coach comes to the club they might still be finding it difficult to win more matches. Players requires to be in good understanding with their coach before they can be able to perform real good in matches.

Ten Hag has never coached a big club like Manchester United in the past. He was the coach of Ajax for a long time. He was successful as the coach of Ajax. The Ajax team performed brilliantly with the help of Ten Hag. But I would say Ten Hag is not experienced enough to coach a big team like Manchester United. He was a complete failure with Manchester United. If Manchester United were a mediocre team I would probably say Ten Hag have succeeded. But Manchester United is a renowned team in the Premier League. And they want to win titles. And if Ten Hag is Manchester United's coach, Manchester United has no chance of winning the title. United need a coach who has enough experience to manage a big team.

@Iranus Ten Hag was experienced enough to handle Manchester United but due to his ego he asked Ralf to leave and then decided to do what Ole did create a group of favourites and didn’t drop them and now he’s paying a heavy price for doing that during this seasons matches. Lastly while there’re way too many injuries but his decision to leave Varane on the bench, play Fernandes out of position should also be blamed and maybe sacking him might just save our season.

When the Ten Hag was brought to Old Trafford from Ajax, I also thought that Manchester United might now be getting an experienced and talented coach. Because with Ten Hag, Ajax's performance has improved significantly in the last few years. But Ten Hag proved me completely wrong this season. If the team is not successful or does not perform as well as expected then the coach conducts various experiments with the team. Changed the team's strategy or changed the formation. But we don't see any change in Ten Hag's match tactics or formation after Manchester United's consistent poor performance. Ten Hag is making the same formation like a fool in every match. However, Manchester United should be looking for an experienced coach very soon.

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Eric Ten Hag is a coach who is known for the hard trainings he makes for the team and he usually makes it hard for the players to have better performance.
But still, this coach had some mistakes and he hired players he didn't actually need and sold or released palyer he had to keep in the team and I'm talking about De Gea and Onana which was a mistake by this coach, and one reason for Manchester United to have bad performance.

Manchester united problems can't be solved, rather it can rooted and minimized to its smaller formulatio, there's a whole lot to care about your favorite club. Been a mangers that suits an elite team is not an easy job because alot of things goes wrong and not according to plans in matches, so the best way is simply remained calmn and consistency in good games. We know how strict and discipline Erik Ten Hag can become in EPL games and he also have issues with his players that push some exits the club and he dropped some from his starting line-ups.

I think Erik Ten Hag's coaching was a nice change in the early days of the team. But it has changed over time. He may be the source of the team's problems. Since he is the team's problem, it is necessary to consider the possibility of being sent off from the team. Manchester United players must now play more ambitiously for their team, and for this a coach like Mourinho is essential.

He is not nice anymore. Ten hag has been also linked to the so many problems in the club. He can't even try to avoid the conflict against his player. This proves that how ten hag was not capable in handling the club. Sancho was leaving caused by he got less time to play compared with another striker.
The only problem if ten hag was quite temperament as a coach. I lost my respect to him since he has been involving in the conflict against his own player. Ten hag can at least try to gave him some chances but ten hag was not doing it.
The performance from martial was not as good as what he used to be but ten hag was always giving him chance to play. Sancho was a complete failed transfer by manchester united at this moment.

I have heard manchester united will be trying to sign more striker and midfielder. It sounds good but at the same time it sounds bad too. It's caused by ten hag will be using his luck once more to gamble with the new player.
Griezmann? no this guy is way too expensive for mu

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Well luckyli we enter into the last day of this shit called international break, and we have ahead the good times of club football and last rounds of phase group of Champions League, i dont think we are gonna see so much surprise, the only one can be the Manchester Unite not reaching round of 16.

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Quote from: Hvdv on November 21, 2023, 03:50:40 AM

I think Erik Ten Hag's coaching was a nice change in the early days of the team. But it has changed over time. He may be the source of the team's problems. Since he is the team's problem, it is necessary to consider the possibility of being sent off from the team. Manchester United players must now play more ambitiously for their team, and for this a coach like Mourinho is essential.

Until he was giving the liberty to take full decision on purchase of players and selection he was a good Coach, but ever since he was granted this rea privilege of handling affairs that concerns the team with little or no interference by the management he became some of a problem to the team.

Before now, he had a better relationship with his team and that was why despite all they transpired last season he was able to still qualify for the UCK and won a trophy at least, but this season his tactical approach to the teams playing pattern and his managerial approach on the team aswell has really been poor and is not turning out to yield results. I think it will be better he is relieved of his job or better still if he must stay, he should be limited with the rights given him over the team.

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I think Erik Ten Hag's coaching was a nice change in the early days of the team. But it has changed over time. He may be the source of the team's problems. Since he is the team's problem, it is necessary to consider the possibility of being sent off from the team. Manchester United players must now play more ambitiously for their team, and for this a coach like Mourinho is essential.

Eric Ten Hag is definitely the problem Manchester united is facing now, since his coaching techniques and tactics ain't working anymore the best is for him to evacuate the club rather than waiting for him to be sacked by the club. For me if a coach sees that he isn't making a head way in the club he should rather resign and go to another club, he might even perform better if he goes to another club. Manchester united needs a coach that can align with their way of play so until such a coach comes to the club they might still be finding it difficult to win more matches. Players requires to be in good understanding with their coach before they can be able to perform real good in matches.

Ten Hag has never coached a big club like Manchester United in the past. He was the coach of Ajax for a long time. He was successful as the coach of Ajax. The Ajax team performed brilliantly with the help of Ten Hag. But I would say Ten Hag is not experienced enough to coach a big team like Manchester United. He was a complete failure with Manchester United. If Manchester United were a mediocre team I would probably say Ten Hag have succeeded. But Manchester United is a renowned team in the Premier League. And they want to win titles. And if Ten Hag is Manchester United's coach, Manchester United has no chance of winning the title. United need a coach who has enough experience to manage a big team.

@Iranus Ten Hag was experienced enough to handle Manchester United but due to his ego he asked Ralf to leave and then decided to do what Ole did create a group of favourites and didn’t drop them and now he’s paying a heavy price for doing that during this seasons matches. Lastly while there’re way too many injuries but his decision to leave Varane on the bench, play Fernandes out of position should also be blamed and maybe sacking him might just save our season.

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Arsenal have learned from their previous season's mistakes. Arsenal didn't have a decent replacement of players last season. This is why we saw their performance decline. Arsenal's bench team is also weak this season. The coach and management should have added some of their talented players to the squad. However, there is a possibility that Arsenal's performance will deteriorate this season too if any of Arsenal's key players are facing injuries.

Tottenham are probably out of the title race. Now Arsenal have to fight against Manchester City and Liverpool to win the title. Both these teams have stronger squads than Arsenal and they are in very good form right now.

Mikel Arteta have learnt his lessons and working on his weak essentials to ensure he make good steps this time around. The incidents that happen to last season was coincidence, taking the league from the beginning of the season and declined from #1 spot when the time have already reach. Perhaps they have couples of opportunities to make things right this season and it will be against elite teams in UEFA Champions League and also have tough tasks to handle in EPL. Arsenal have just few key backup players for the main game starting XI which is really poor stats, Mikel Arteta should sign more talents in the coming transfer window.

Arsenal's progress under Mikel Arteta is indeed quite good and they continue to improve to get better every season, and this season Arsenal are consistently at the top and they are still one of the teams competing for the Premier League title, just like last season.
The balance of power in the team between the main players and reserve players is something that has been improved quite a lot this season compared to last season so I think it is very likely that the Arsenal team can maintain its consistency and it is possible that they will be able to achieve something that they did not achieve last season.

of course right now Arsenal looks more stable than last season and for me actually last season was also pretty good but I not get UCL ticket so this season Arteta will prove that Arsenal can qualify for the round of 16 to try compete competitively with big teams other.

having experienced coaches and several superior players who can help Arsenal to move to a higher level and it is proven from this journey in the UCL that Arsenal only lost 1 time and from this journey we can see that Arsenal is consistently much better and it is quite easy to qualify for the round next.
and I still doubt whether I can win the title in the UCL because there are several other big teams that are quite strong at the moment, such as Real Madrid.

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I think Erik Ten Hag's coaching was a nice change in the early days of the team. But it has changed over time. He may be the source of the team's problems. Since he is the team's problem, it is necessary to consider the possibility of being sent off from the team. Manchester United players must now play more ambitiously for their team, and for this a coach like Mourinho is essential.

Eric Ten Hag is definitely the problem Manchester united is facing now, since his coaching techniques and tactics ain't working anymore the best is for him to evacuate the club rather than waiting for him to be sacked by the club. For me if a coach sees that he isn't making a head way in the club he should rather resign and go to another club, he might even perform better if he goes to another club. Manchester united needs a coach that can align with their way of play so until such a coach comes to the club they might still be finding it difficult to win more matches. Players requires to be in good understanding with their coach before they can be able to perform real good in matches.

Ten Hag has never coached a big club like Manchester United in the past. He was the coach of Ajax for a long time. He was successful as the coach of Ajax. The Ajax team performed brilliantly with the help of Ten Hag. But I would say Ten Hag is not experienced enough to coach a big team like Manchester United. He was a complete failure with Manchester United. If Manchester United were a mediocre team I would probably say Ten Hag have succeeded. But Manchester United is a renowned team in the Premier League. And they want to win titles. And if Ten Hag is Manchester United's coach, Manchester United has no chance of winning the title. United need a coach who has enough experience to manage a big team.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on November 21, 2023, 04:18:02 AM

Being a good coach means that you will never lose your temper with your players, and even if you do, you should hide it from them because it will affect how they play on the pitch.

Not all good behavior leads to good outcomes in the end. Even those who are excessively kind may find themselves being stepped on and taken advantage of by others, which is certainly not good for the team if there's no firmness in behavior. I see someone's anger as evidence of their overflowing emotions. It's just a matter of time until their mind cools down. Everyone should do evaluations, both from the coach and the players.

So far, Pep won't lose his respect for the anger he showed. It's just another human trait that everyone is prone to getting angry when things don't go as planned.

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I think Erik Ten Hag's coaching was a nice change in the early days of the team. But it has changed over time. He may be the source of the team's problems. Since he is the team's problem, it is necessary to consider the possibility of being sent off from the team. Manchester United players must now play more ambitiously for their team, and for this a coach like Mourinho is essential.

Eric Ten Hag is definitely the problem Manchester united is facing now, since his coaching techniques and tactics ain't working anymore the best is for him to evacuate the club rather than waiting for him to be sacked by the club. For me if a coach sees that he isn't making a head way in the club he should rather resign and go to another club, he might even perform better if he goes to another club. Manchester united needs a coach that can align with their way of play so until such a coach comes to the club they might still be finding it difficult to win more matches. Players requires to be in good understanding with their coach before they can be able to perform real good in matches.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on November 21, 2023, 04:18:02 AM

Ever since he took over as Real Madrid's coach, Ancelotti has always supported his players even when they make mistakes. However, Pep Guardiola lacks that quality. In a video I saw following the Chelsea vs. Manchester City match, Guardiola was visibly upset with his players because he didn't think Chelsea would play that way with them. Being a good coach means that you will never lose your temper with your players, and even if you do, you should hide it from them because it will affect how they play on the pitch.

I don't think we can compare Pep and Ancelotti's coaching methods. They are 2 great coaches with different ways of leadership. Ancelotti tends to be more relaxed in giving directions and they prefer schemes and games like that in the hope that the players are not too burdened. But for Pep, he is quite flexible as he can be strict and very stern or he can even be a little more lenient by keeping quiet during the game even though the directives are still being given. But all of that is the way they use it, there are definitely advantages and disadvantages, it's just that they are very comfortable and it is used as a characteristic that they are known for until now.

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I think Erik Ten Hag's coaching was a nice change in the early days of the team. But it has changed over time. He may be the source of the team's problems. Since he is the team's problem, it is necessary to consider the possibility of being sent off from the team. Manchester United players must now play more ambitiously for their team, and for this a coach like Mourinho is essential.

With the arrival of ten Hag in the team, there was a period of formation of a new team and therefore many mistakes were forgiven, but in the new season everyone expected that Manchester United would become the same team that was capable of winning titles.

This did not happen, and moreover, problems with players began to occur in the team, which of course affected the results. At the moment, Manchester United do not have many chances to rise to the top 4 in the Premier League and there are doubts whether they will be able to get out of the group in the Champions League, since they are now in last place and they have to play a difficult match with Galatasaray away and with Bayern. For now, ten Hag has a better chance of being fired than of rectifying the situation.

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Arsenal have learned from their previous season's mistakes. Arsenal didn't have a decent replacement of players last season. This is why we saw their performance decline. Arsenal's bench team is also weak this season. The coach and management should have added some of their talented players to the squad. However, there is a possibility that Arsenal's performance will deteriorate this season too if any of Arsenal's key players are facing injuries.

Tottenham are probably out of the title race. Now Arsenal have to fight against Manchester City and Liverpool to win the title. Both these teams have stronger squads than Arsenal and they are in very good form right now.

Mikel Arteta have learnt his lessons and working on his weak essentials to ensure he make good steps this time around. The incidents that happen to last season was coincidence, taking the league from the beginning of the season and declined from #1 spot when the time have already reach. Perhaps they have couples of opportunities to make things right this season and it will be against elite teams in UEFA Champions League and also have tough tasks to handle in EPL. Arsenal have just few key backup players for the main game starting XI which is really poor stats, Mikel Arteta should sign more talents in the coming transfer window.

I don't agree with you. Arsenal's decline in performance last season was no coincidence. Arsenal have dominated the Premier League since the start of the season. Their squad was very strong. However, they did not have any suitable replacements. This is why the Arsenal team has consistently dropped points after players have been injured and has not won the title. Arteta has strengthened his squad. The bond between the players has become stronger. But Arteta has no replacements for his key players this season as well. And this is why I don't consider the Arsenal team as favorites for the title this season.

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Pep Guardiola is an excellent coach who Manchester City will never have again. I'm not sure, but I don't remember Manchester City ever winning three trophies in a single season before. Guardiola broke a record there, so any coach who takes over will know he is an excellent coach. He is just as intelligent as Real Madrid coach Ancelotti, but we cannot compare the two because in my opinion, Ancelotti is superior to Guardiola in terms of managing a team. Even in defeat, Ancelotti will inspire his players to keep going, and occasionally he will substitute players who are quick to score goals. If you watch a lot of Real Madrid games, you will notice that they consistently score goals in the last 90 minutes of the match.

Pep Guardiola is a coach every team will dream to have because he has so many good quality coaching skills because when he came to Manchester City the team was broken so he picked there broken pieces together and made them whole, because in those days Manchester City always struggle every season do to poor performance but Pep Guardiola was the only coach that brought the best in Manchester City and making them to become the strongest team on the premier League.

So even if he retired the coach that would succeed him will not have much work to do because Pep Guardiola has done everything for Manchester City so his absence will not affect the team.

Pep's time at Manchester City was fantastic. I still think they will have such a good time. We will watch him in the blue City for many years to come. Because of Manchester United, the city of Manchester was red for many years and now it is painted blue. The person who had the biggest share in this was the club president and Pep, who made the best use of these opportunities. Frankly, I don't think he will retire anytime soon.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on November 21, 2023, 04:18:02 AM

Pep Guardiola is an excellent coach who Manchester City will never have again. I'm not sure, but I don't remember Manchester City ever winning three trophies in a single season before. Guardiola broke a record there, so any coach who takes over will know he is an excellent coach. He is just as intelligent as Real Madrid coach Ancelotti, but we cannot compare the two because in my opinion, Ancelotti is superior to Guardiola in terms of managing a team. Even in defeat, Ancelotti will inspire his players to keep going, and occasionally he will substitute players who are quick to score goals. If you watch a lot of Real Madrid games, you will notice that they consistently score goals in the last 90 minutes of the match.

Pep Guardiola is a coach every team will dream to have because he has so many good quality coaching skills because when he came to Manchester City the team was broken so he picked there broken pieces together and made them whole, because in those days Manchester City always struggle every season do to poor performance but Pep Guardiola was the only coach that brought the best in Manchester City and making them to become the strongest team on the premier League.

So even if he retired the coach that would succeed him will not have much work to do because Pep Guardiola has done everything for Manchester City so his absence will not affect the team.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on November 20, 2023, 12:57:18 PM

Well Pep Guardiola isn't going to retire from his coaching duty anytime soon, and yes he would arguably be the best coach in football history, he did not only perfect the art of winning games and winning competition many managers before him has done something very similar coaches like Ancelotti is an example but Pep Guardiola did it in such a fantastic way, he doesn't play to win by packing the bus but his plays sweet football like the Tikitaka.

Pep Guardiola is an excellent coach who Manchester City will never have again. I'm not sure, but I don't remember Manchester City ever winning three trophies in a single season before. Guardiola broke a record there, so any coach who takes over will know he is an excellent coach. He is just as intelligent as Real Madrid coach Ancelotti, but we cannot compare the two because in my opinion, Ancelotti is superior to Guardiola in terms of managing a team. Even in defeat, Ancelotti will inspire his players to keep going, and occasionally he will substitute players who are quick to score goals. If you watch a lot of Real Madrid games, you will notice that they consistently score goals in the last 90 minutes of the match.

Ever since he took over as Real Madrid's coach, Ancelotti has always supported his players even when they make mistakes. However, Pep Guardiola lacks that quality. In a video I saw following the Chelsea vs. Manchester City match, Guardiola was visibly upset with his players because he didn't think Chelsea would play that way with them. Being a good coach means that you will never lose your temper with your players, and even if you do, you should hide it from them because it will affect how they play on the pitch.

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Quote from: Spack17 on November 20, 2023, 06:05:06 PM

If Arsenal would make it to the finale this season I wouldn't call it as luck honestly. It is the truth that there have been some matches in the Premier League in which Arsenal played badly but still won. However this is the Champions League we are talking about. There is no way a team reaching the finale by chance.

Arteta has built a really solid team with young players. Maybe there is some experience problem at this point but they are still able to stay strong most of the time. Besides some young players have already gained quite much experience which they can use it to be competitive in the Champions League too.

With 3 wins, Arsenal under the guidance of Mikel Arteta is certain to be the second British representative to qualify directly for the last 16 as winners of Group B and it is very likely that they will also sweep the remaining two matches in the Group B phase with perfect results this season.

It is true that Arteta has built this team very well, especially with their young players who have great potential. But I don't think they can reach the final this season, as you have said, reaching the final is not luck, but so far I haven't seen Arsenal have the mentality to reach the final. Indeed, Arsenal are more dominant in group B because the teams in group B can be said to be filled with weak teams. Arsenal has not proven capable of beating big teams in the UCL. So my prediction is that Arsenal will only be able to survive in the UCL league until the top eight.

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Eric Ten Hag is a coach who is known for the hard trainings he makes for the team and he usually makes it hard for the players to have better performance.
But still, this coach had some mistakes and he hired players he didn't actually need and sold or released palyer he had to keep in the team and I'm talking about De Gea and Onana which was a mistake by this coach, and one reason for Manchester United to have bad performance.

Manchester united problems can't be solved, rather it can rooted and minimized to its smaller formulatio, there's a whole lot to care about your favorite club. Been a mangers that suits an elite team is not an easy job because alot of things goes wrong and not according to plans in matches, so the best way is simply remained calmn and consistency in good games. We know how strict and discipline Erik Ten Hag can become in EPL games and he also have issues with his players that push some exits the club and he dropped some from his starting line-ups.

I think Erik Ten Hag's coaching was a nice change in the early days of the team. But it has changed over time. He may be the source of the team's problems. Since he is the team's problem, it is necessary to consider the possibility of being sent off from the team. Manchester United players must now play more ambitiously for their team, and for this a coach like Mourinho is essential.

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Manchester City wants to achieve what Real Madrid has achieved, but I am sure that Guardiola will repeat on every press conference that it is impossible. But his goal is to win the Champions League a few more times.

I think this is true. Guardiola constantly mocks his achievements in the Champions League, some think that this is politeness and a good sense of humor, but in fact it is a clear realization that if we think globally, then Guardiola is a loser in the Champions League. He always had the best teams (perhaps even the best in history) but at the same time he won the Champions League only 3 times. Of course, he wants to get more titles in order to write his name in history more solidly.

Calling him a loser in the Champions League goes too far. We don't call Sir Alex Ferguson a loser because he only won the Champions League twice with the team that was considered the best in the world for quite some time. If you call Guardiola a loser, you have to call Zidane a lucky bastard with all those lucky goals and offside goals scored by Ronaldo because there was no VAR.

I think it is also wrong to talk about the Champions League title in that manner. We have seen very often that this competition is usually not decided by pure skill, but by so little things that hardly anyone can control full-time from the first game to the last. I think almost all teams that won the Champions League have been loaded with world superstars. Maybe one of the biggest Champions League wins ever was Mourinho with Porto since the 2000 millenium.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 20, 2023, 11:57:28 PM

I would say PSG's main strength this season is that they have an experienced coach like Luis Enrique. So despite having a mediocre squad, PSG team's performance is quite good. However PSG's performance in the Champions League has been erratic. And whether they can qualify for the round of 16 is not certain.

Now the PSG team is in a good rhythm. They have been able to continue their good performance consistently in Ligue 1 matches. PSG will play against Newcastle and Dortmund in the next two Champions League matches. A win at home against Newcastle would almost guarantee PSG qualification for the knockout rounds. But I don't consider this team as favorite for Champions League title. The team is completely dependent on Mbappe's performance.

I don't PSG on good rhythm right now regarding their position not secure yet for qualifying to the next round, difficult get one place for knock out round although have experienced manager who won UEFA Champion League tittle with Barcelona. PSG's current standings on 3rd place and their possibilities to next round depend on two matches left. Six points achievement from four matches I don't think really special with PSG performance on group stage, exactly as experienced teams and have good manager easily qualify to next round and get more than 10 points of four matches.

PSG is not favorite team for winning Champion League, I think have difference performance with PSG in this season regarding last season they still have Lionel Messi, Neymar and Sergio Ramos.

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Quote from: Spack17 on November 20, 2023, 06:05:06 PM

If Arsenal would make it to the finale this season I wouldn't call it as luck honestly. It is the truth that there have been some matches in the Premier League in which Arsenal played badly but still won. However this is the Champions League we are talking about. There is no way a team reaching the finale by chance.

In the Champions League, all possibilities can still happen, including the potential for Arsenal to reach the final. But it is still too early to talk about Arsenal reaching the final this season because the group phase has not yet been completed and Arsenal has not yet faced the strongest club in the Champions League. Let's take a look at the top 16 draw first, which club Arsenal will face.

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