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Quote from: Docnaster on November 13, 2023, 12:30:15 PM

Winning against Galatasaray in their next game in the UEFA Champions League and drawing against Bayern Munich in their last game of the of the group stage is mathematically not enough to take Manchester United to the knockout stages of the UEFA Champions League competition.
Manchester United needs to win their next two games against Galatasaray and Bayern Munich to stand a chance of progressing to the next round which I think will be difficult for the English Premier League club to achieve

If Manchester United can able to beat Galatasaray and draw from Bayern Munich they will have 7 points total and this is not a safe points indeed because Galatasaray last match on group stage is more easy than them because they only fight against Copenhagen and Galatasaray will pushing to win even with big scores if possible and assuming Galatasaray lose from Manchester United but they can able to beat Copenhagen then Galatasaray also has points 7 points equal to Manchester United but most likely they will be qualified because Galatasaray is more good from goal difference

So Manchester United chances to qualified is very slim and they really required luck and indeed if Manchester United want to secured second place then they have to win all of the remaining matches and this is hard for them especially on 6th match Manchester United will playing against Bayern Munich

It will be a very tough games for M.United. I don't believe they will finish 2nd in the group. Galatasaray or Copenhagen will be 2nd in the group.

M.United management said that they are not looking for a new manager to replace Erik Ten Hag. A very good decision, I hope they will continue to lose.

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Quote from: Docnaster on November 13, 2023, 12:30:15 PM

Winning against Galatasaray in their next game in the UEFA Champions League and drawing against Bayern Munich in their last game of the of the group stage is mathematically not enough to take Manchester United to the knockout stages of the UEFA Champions League competition.
Manchester United needs to win their next two games against Galatasaray and Bayern Munich to stand a chance of progressing to the next round which I think will be difficult for the English Premier League club to achieve

If Manchester United can able to beat Galatasaray and draw from Bayern Munich they will have 7 points total and this is not a safe points indeed because Galatasaray last match on group stage is more easy than them because they only fight against Copenhagen and Galatasaray will pushing to win even with big scores if possible and assuming Galatasaray lose from Manchester United but they can able to beat Copenhagen then Galatasaray also has points 7 points equal to Manchester United but most likely they will be qualified because Galatasaray is more good from goal difference

So Manchester United chances to qualified is very slim and they really required luck and indeed if Manchester United want to secured second place then they have to win all of the remaining matches and this is hard for them especially on 6th match Manchester United will playing against Bayern Munich

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Quote from: CLS63 on November 13, 2023, 06:10:32 PM

Group F is still open to every kind of surprise. Even the last placed team can finish as leader. I mean Newcastle by saying that. Because Milan were also doing really bad by not scoring a single goal but this PSG win made them start to believe in for last 16 stage. PSG are still not trustworthy at all.

Because the inconsistencies in their performance continues. They are quite dependent on Mbappe's score contribution I'm afraid. I don't see them playing good very often when Mbappe doesn't perform strikingly well. I don't know if PSG can make it to next stage by playing like this. Sad

PSG dependence on Mbappe goals will be a concern for their opponents, so PSG tactics will be easier to predict if they don't improve their attack line evenly. PSG players are a little independent, they have to focus on supplying the ball to Mbappe in any situation. I'm afraid that if Enrique makes this a permanent tactic, there will have to be other options that can manipulate the opponent's attention. Apart from the opponent's focus on blocking Mbappe movements, that is where Dembele and Kolo role is more dominant.

From the results of the defeat against AC Milan, it is quite evident that Mbappe cannot act freely in the opponent's defense, and he was unable to score a single goal.

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Quote from: CLS63 on November 13, 2023, 06:10:32 PM

Group F is still open to every kind of surprise. Even the last placed team can finish as leader. I mean Newcastle by saying that. Because Milan were also doing really bad by not scoring a single goal but this PSG win made them start to believe in for last 16 stage. PSG are still not trustworthy at all.

Because the inconsistencies in their performance continues. They are quite dependent on Mbappe's score contribution I'm afraid. I don't see them playing good very often when Mbappe doesn't perform strikingly well. I don't know if PSG can make it to next stage by playing like this. Sad

Indeed, it is only in Group F where all clubs still have the same opportunities. Because the difference in points is not that big, it is still possible for group F to happen. And as you said, even Newcastle still has a chance to qualify if they win the remaining matches and hope that the other teams don't get maximum points.

Initially I thought that PSG would be the only club that was difficult to beat in Group F. But it turned out that my guess was wrong. Because currently PSG has even experienced 2 defeats. Namely by Newcastle and Milan. So it's natural for PSG to have doubts about whether they will qualify from the group stage or not. Because everything is difficult to predict nowadays. But it would be very bad if PSG did not pass this stage. Because many people actually suspect that PSG is one of the strong candidates in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Phoenix Anka on November 13, 2023, 08:18:29 PM

Dependence on one player harms every team, and this is a situation that harms PSG as well. If Mbappe is on his day, they play very well, but if he plays badly, the player options that will make an extra contribution to the team are limited. The possibility of each team becoming the leader in Group F continues. If PSG is lucky, they will come out top of the group.

Yeah that's correct because that's one of the factors that brings poor performance to any club who rely on one players to survive, although we know that in every teams there are key players who played the distribution role and whose absence could greatly affect the club negatively, but perhaps that shouldn't mean that the club should depend on him before they could come back to there previous form.

This is one of the reasons why I love the Manchester city so much is because all there players are very good, so when Kevin de Bruyne had the injury it affected there performance a bit do to the role he plays on the team but when they noticed that his absence is becoming a barrier to them they had to strategize in other to maintain there performance so now you can hardly notice the absence of Kevin de Bruyne on Manchester City because all the positions are being regulated well.

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Quote from: Bobrox on November 13, 2023, 09:26:11 PM

Poor result from PSG its not totally fault from Mbappe, although he missed score goals last match against AC Milan but inconsistency performance with defense make PSG have loss three points from Milan and dropped to 3rd standings position. Can't imagine for 16 round with PSG there but their opportunity not close yet with two matches left against Newcastle United and Dortmund are favorable get three points.

Of course it's still very open, they have one game home and away. Surely the Home match must be won to get 3 points. If they only draw, the chances of qualifying will be even more difficult. Even though they lost in England, I think against Newcastle in France was a great chance, I feel confident they got 3 points. The last UCL match against Dortmund, realistically the best result was a draw. If it seems that they will have more chances to qualify for the knockout phase.

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Group F is still open to every kind of surprise. Even the last placed team can finish as leader. I mean Newcastle by saying that. Because Milan were also doing really bad by not scoring a single goal but this PSG win made them start to believe in for last 16 stage. PSG are still not trustworthy at all.

Because the inconsistencies in their performance continues. They are quite dependent on Mbappe's score contribution I'm afraid. I don't see them playing good very often when Mbappe doesn't perform strikingly well. I don't know if PSG can make it to next stage by playing like this. Sad

There are very minor differences amongst all clubs in this group and with last two match days, rankings can be changed a lot. Differences are very slim from their point gaps to goal differences.

Champions League Group F standings

From a first to fourth standings, point difference is only 3 points that can be covered after only one match. Goal difference is only 1 or 3 goals and again it can become nothing after one match day.

From the current standing we do know that if dortmund needs only another win to lock a spot in the top 16. I think that dortmund will not be missing an opportunity. It was able winning against newcastle two times in a row.
Dortmund will be collecting 10 points and it will be int he safe zone as the club who is now below it will not able to replace dortmund even though if the position of dortmund will be at the second place.

Dortmund needs another three points to do that. It's likely terzic will be going all in. As long as dortmund will be winning the game and that's enough. Newcastle and acmilan are in horrible situations.
These clubs have so many injured players.

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I agree that this year there isn't this one team that everybody believes will win the Champions League. Manchester City is always a favorite, but compared to last season they are not playing as perfectly. Real Madrid has very strong games, but sometimes also underperform. It's difficult to compare teams based on their performances in the domestic leagues, but Inter Milan is doing very well and could once again make it into the final and perhaps win it this year. Bayern Munich is erratic and some of the other big favorites, too.

An impressive performance in the domestic league may not necessarily provide good results in the Champions League because the two competitions are very different. It will be very difficult to predict which team will emerge as champions in the Champions League because the competition has only just started in the group phase and there are other big matches that they have to go through after the group stage ends. Inter Milan are having a good season in Serie A, but in the Champions League they may not necessarily be able to reach the final because many other teams are quite strong this season with equal quality players in all positions.

If I could choose then I would like to see Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester City playing in the final because the three teams have evenly distributed players in the squad. So the opportunities for these three teams will be much greater than for other clubs and I also see that their performance in the group phase is still quite strong even though the opponents they face are a little easier.

Of course there is no team "necessarily" reaching the final because of their performances in the domestic league, I would never say that. I would still argue that it can be an indicator, but there are extreme exceptions like we have seen with Sevilla in the Europa League. But I am quite sure that if we look at all title winners from the past, the majority that won international titles also played a strong season in their home leagues. I said the majority, before anyone says that I said something like "every time".

This unpredictability factor is always inherent in these international competitions as players can show different performances out of a sudden.

I also find it difficult to say that one of the top teams played a bad Champions League season when they play against each other in the round of 16 or quarterfinals. I mean if it is Real Madrid vs. Manchester City in the quarterfinals, one of those two teams inevitably has to leave the competition, but does it mean that the loser also played a bad Champions League season? One team has to go, so a lot depends on the drawings as well.

There is a difference when you see that Manchester City last season had to beat Bayern Munich and Real Madrid whereas Inter Milan had to beat Benfica and AC Milan.

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Quote from: CLS63 on November 13, 2023, 06:10:32 PM

Group F is still open to every kind of surprise. Even the last placed team can finish as leader. I mean Newcastle by saying that. Because Milan were also doing really bad by not scoring a single goal but this PSG win made them start to believe in for last 16 stage. PSG are still not trustworthy at all.

Because the inconsistencies in their performance continues. They are quite dependent on Mbappe's score contribution I'm afraid. I don't see them playing good very often when Mbappe doesn't perform strikingly well. I don't know if PSG can make it to next stage by playing like this. Sad

Newcastle United are the bottom standings teams in Group F still have opportunity lead to next round depend their result two matches left, its looks excited with Group F compete until playing four matches there are not any teams have qualify to next round. Next match will see more closer opportunity for which one teams have chance to get place next round between PSG vs Newcastle United match and Milan vs Dortmund.

Poor result from PSG its not totally fault from Mbappe, although he missed score goals last match against AC Milan but inconsistency performance with defense make PSG have loss three points from Milan and dropped to 3rd standings position. Can't imagine for 16 round with PSG there but their opportunity not close yet with two matches left against Newcastle United and Dortmund are favorable get three points.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 09, 2023, 05:07:44 PM

Marcus Rashford been sent off ruined the whole game for Manchester United. They were leading 2-0 only for Copenhagen to mount pressure and make an equalizer in the first half. That was so poor performance portrayed by the Red Devils. So basically what Erik Ten Hag and his players are trying to send as message is, they can't defend their territory when they're down by one player? But I've seen teams defend to the very last core and still accumulates three points, not to talk of Manchester United that was already leading 2 nil and couldn't hold on because all of them became weak. That's definitely not how to run an entire squad, Erik Ten Hag should come up with new plan because it seems the primary one is not effective enough to gather a win for the club.

Indeed. Before Marcus Rashford got a red card, Man United very dominated the match and could score 2 goals. Actually, Man United played very well in the match, they decreased their performance after losing 1 player. If there was no red card, I no doubt Man United will win the match easily. For me, Man United was only unlucky, Ten Hag must never expect one of Man United players to get a red card. Unfortunately, Ten Hag couldn't switch the tactic with a proper one. Ideally, when they lost 1 player, they must play more defensively and be patient to keep the ball possessions. Only focus on planning for the scheme of a counter-attack strategy. But I think Ten Hag isn't very familiar with a counter attack strategy, that makes him to stay with the usual tactic used by Man United.

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Quote from: CLS63 on November 13, 2023, 06:10:32 PM

Group F is still open to every kind of surprise. Even the last placed team can finish as leader. I mean Newcastle by saying that. Because Milan were also doing really bad by not scoring a single goal but this PSG win made them start to believe in for last 16 stage. PSG are still not trustworthy at all.

Because the inconsistencies in their performance continues. They are quite dependent on Mbappe's score contribution I'm afraid. I don't see them playing good very often when Mbappe doesn't perform strikingly well. I don't know if PSG can make it to next stage by playing like this. Sad

There are very minor differences amongst all clubs in this group and with last two match days, rankings can be changed a lot. Differences are very slim from their point gaps to goal differences.

Champions League Group F standings

From a first to fourth standings, point difference is only 3 points that can be covered after only one match. Goal difference is only 1 or 3 goals and again it can become nothing after one match day.

Quote from: Phoenix Anka on November 13, 2023, 08:18:29 PM

Dependence on one player harms every team, and this is a situation that harms PSG as well. If Mbappe is on his day, they play very well, but if he plays badly, the player options that will make an extra contribution to the team are limited. The possibility of each team becoming the leader in Group F continues. If PSG is lucky, they will come out top of the group.

Mbappe is a single player and even he is a brightest star in PSG, he can not carry PSG to a win if other players in his club can not play well enough. He can do his tasks well in attacking by scoring goals for PSG but PSG need good performances from midfielders to defenders and goalkeeper to win a match. Especially in Champions League, where competitiveness is very high, a single player is not a guarantee for a club success.

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Quote from: temple on November 13, 2023, 10:26:59 AM

I agree that this year there isn't this one team that everybody believes will win the Champions League. Manchester City is always a favorite, but compared to last season they are not playing as perfectly. Real Madrid has very strong games, but sometimes also underperform. It's difficult to compare teams based on their performances in the domestic leagues, but Inter Milan is doing very well and could once again make it into the final and perhaps win it this year. Bayern Munich is erratic and some of the other big favorites, too.

An impressive performance in the domestic league may not necessarily provide good results in the Champions League because the two competitions are very different. It will be very difficult to predict which team will emerge as champions in the Champions League because the competition has only just started in the group phase and there are other big matches that they have to go through after the group stage ends. Inter Milan are having a good season in Serie A, but in the Champions League they may not necessarily be able to reach the final because many other teams are quite strong this season with equal quality players in all positions.

If I could choose then I would like to see Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester City playing in the final because the three teams have evenly distributed players in the squad. So the opportunities for these three teams will be much greater than for other clubs and I also see that their performance in the group phase is still quite strong even though the opponents they face are a little easier.

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Quote from: CLS63 on November 13, 2023, 06:10:32 PM

Group F is still open to every kind of surprise. Even the last placed team can finish as leader. I mean Newcastle by saying that. Because Milan were also doing really bad by not scoring a single goal but this PSG win made them start to believe in for last 16 stage. PSG are still not trustworthy at all.

Because the inconsistencies in their performance continues. They are quite dependent on Mbappe's score contribution I'm afraid. I don't see them playing good very often when Mbappe doesn't perform strikingly well. I don't know if PSG can make it to next stage by playing like this. Sad

Dependence on one player harms every team, and this is a situation that harms PSG as well. If Mbappe is on his day, they play very well, but if he plays badly, the player options that will make an extra contribution to the team are limited. The possibility of each team becoming the leader in Group F continues. If PSG is lucky, they will come out top of the group.

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Quote from: CLS63 on November 13, 2023, 06:10:32 PM

Group F is still open to every kind of surprise. Even the last placed team can finish as leader. I mean Newcastle by saying that. Because Milan were also doing really bad by not scoring a single goal but this PSG win made them start to believe in for last 16 stage. PSG are still not trustworthy at all.

Because the inconsistencies in their performance continues. They are quite dependent on Mbappe's score contribution I'm afraid. I don't see them playing good very often when Mbappe doesn't perform strikingly well. I don't know if PSG can make it to next stage by playing like this. Sad

As long as newcastle know how to prevent mbappe and i think PSG may also lose a chance to be qualified for thelast 16. Anyone is in curiosity to know which club that will be qualified for the last 16. Any clubs in the group have the same chance to be qualified but this totally depends on the how bad or good their performance are. Newcastle and acmilan became the teams with lowest chances to be qualified for the last 16. I think that if anyone is also trying to bet on these matches with a lot of doubtness. It's caused by any clubs in this group were equal. It's pretty hard to know which team that may go to the last 16. Any surprises can come from newcastle and acmilan.
I would rather than pick save bet like double chance in these matches. The result is very hard to predict at this moment as any clubs have same chances.

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Group F is still open to every kind of surprise. Even the last placed team can finish as leader. I mean Newcastle by saying that. Because Milan were also doing really bad by not scoring a single goal but this PSG win made them start to believe in for last 16 stage. PSG are still not trustworthy at all.

Because the inconsistencies in their performance continues. They are quite dependent on Mbappe's score contribution I'm afraid. I don't see them playing good very often when Mbappe doesn't perform strikingly well. I don't know if PSG can make it to next stage by playing like this. Sad

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My heart says Man United can beat Galatasaray, but to bet I don't dare to bet on Man United, in this match I skip betting. Cheesy

If we ask who is the favorite, they prefer Galasatasaray because Manchester United is a team that is not sure to win because of the series of results they have obtained. For things like that I don't care because after all trying to convince that Manchester United is still very worthy of qualifying is not believed.

Remember. The term Fergie time is still in Manchester United's DNA. This was seen when Manchester United beat Fulham in the final minutes of the match.
Now each player's focus is on the national team because of the international break.

This match will be played on November 29, there are still 15 days left. Anything can happen at that time, new injuries, players returning from the national team tired, etc. There are many factors. Even if we assume that everyone is good and both teams have full squads, we must first look at the odds given by the betting companies.
There is a possibility that Galatasaray will make a surprise, but at what rate? Is it worth taking this risk? Maybe Manchester United will recover. Galatasaray started to decline in the last 2 matches. They played well against Bayern but couldn't finish. They officially dissolved against Hatayspor. This national team break could be good for them. Again, if there was a league match this week, the crisis could have escalated in Galatasaray, but the break saved them.
Manchester United are behind in the Premier League, they want to continue and do something in the Champions League. Even a draw from this match would be a bad result for Manchester United. There is a pressure that comes with having to win. As I said, we need to see both the odds and the lineups before betting on this match. It's too early to talk about this game.

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Quote from: Mame89 on November 13, 2023, 04:19:41 PM

My heart says Man United can beat Galatasaray, but to bet I don't dare to bet on Man United, in this match I skip betting. Cheesy

If we ask who is the favorite, they prefer Galasatasaray because Manchester United is a team that is not sure to win because of the series of results they have obtained. For things like that I don't care because after all trying to convince that Manchester United is still very worthy of qualifying is not believed.

Remember. The term Fergie time is still in Manchester United's DNA. This was seen when Manchester United beat Fulham in the final minutes of the match.
Now each player's focus is on the national team because of the international break.

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Quote from: JeffBrad12 on November 13, 2023, 12:42:17 PM

Losing at old trafford was enough to proving that if beating galatasaray will not be as easy as you said. Manchester united is always struggling when it was playing at away. Hojlund is good in UCL but he is so damn bad in EPL.
Manchester united needs to work even harder to make sure the club will able to perform even better. The chance of MU to pass the group stage will be determined from the result gainst galatasaray.

If you look at Man United away, it is indeed difficult to win, especially since their current condition is under pressure, of course this is something difficult for Man United. Because we know that Man United is currently mentally down, especially when facing Galatsaray at their home ground, it is certainly difficult to steal three points there, not to mention that many Man United players are injured. But anything can happen in football, especially since this match will be played at the end of the month, of course, with such a long preparation, Man United should be able to give a surprise in this match. This victory is mandatory for Man United, at least they still have hope of playing in the European league.

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Im quite skeptical with the result. Let's see.

Galatasaray is still remain my favorite.

My heart says Man United can beat Galatasaray, but to bet I don't dare to bet on Man United, in this match I skip betting. Cheesy

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Quote from: Adams0001 on November 13, 2023, 12:04:26 PM

I don't think Manchester City can win the Champions League this season because they aren't performing like they did last season and they have sold some of their players to other clubs, which I believe causes them to play weak games. I believe Bayern Munich or Real Madrid will win the Champions League because only they have the talent of the competition and Real Madrid failed to defeat Manchester City to qualify for the Champions League final last season, I believe that if they meet in the round of 16, Real Madrid will defeat them because they are not performing as well as they did last season, but I believe this is due to De Bruyne's injury, as Haaland has not scored many goals in the league and has only received penalties since De Bruyne's injury.

Yeah even me too I don't think Manchester City stands a chance to win this season champions League because they seem to have a long way to go on this season champion league but just like you said l'm suspecting Bayern Munich to win these season champions League because they have all it takes to win, and even considering there performance this season it has been so perfect by wining consistently.

So is really obvious that Bayern Munich may likely win the league because for now they have more good record than Manchester City, but however I believe that Manchester City is focusing more on the premier League because they are leading on there table.

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Not only for AC Milan, but for all clubs the last 2 matches will be a life and death match, the article all clubs still have a chance to be able to qualify with a record in the last 2 matches they can achieve very positive results or they managed to collect 6 points. with a situation like this, then there is no other choice for all clubs to play all out in their matches.
It is not wrong when this group is said to be the hell group this season, seeing their very tight competition and beating each other of course this makes us curious who 2 clubs will be able to secure tickets to go to the round of 16.

The four teams in Group F have almost the same quality, so it's natural that the competition is very tight and up to now (two matches remaining) the four teams have almost the same chance of getting through to the know out round, only Dortmund are slightly favored because so far they have collected 7 points, Dortmund only need 1 more win to ensure they qualify for the round of 16.

And for AC Miln, PSG and Newcastle have the same possibility of qualifying, and this is really very difficult to predict because all of these teams have equal quality.

Yes Borussia Dortmund do have a greater chance of qualifying, but that does not mean it will be a guarantee for them to be able to really qualify. Other clubs will try their best to thwart anyone who has a chance of qualifying to win.
Speaking of Newcastle, they are the youngest club in this grup, or you could say they are newcomers to the Chmpions League, but I am impressed because even though their experience is not as good as the other 3 clubs, they can provide a strong competition. Although now they are the club that is at the bottom of the table.

Quote from: baeva on November 12, 2023, 03:28:54 PM

It's even hard for me to guess which team will drop out of the tournament altogether and which team will go to the Europa League. At the moment it looks like any of the 4 teams in Group F could end up in 3rd or 4th place. None of the teams even have an uninterrupted positive momentum, each team has already suffered a defeat

I don't think it's just you that finds it difficult to predict who will qualify, who will go to the Europa League and who will have to go home early, everyone will have the same thoughts about predicting this group.
Who can answer is themselves, I mean in the last 2 matches who will show something extraordinary, they will be able to qualify from this difficult group. Oh yes, also don't forget about luck, because it could be a factor that will determine their fate whether they can qualify or even be eliminated.

While I used to think that luck in football was something mediocre and could even be categorised as an excuse, looking at this group now I realise that someone really could just get lucky at some point. So far, looking from the outside, AC Milan look weak, I infer from their performance in both the Champions League and in their league. Let's see how they perform, I think by their performance it will be more or less clear what can happen in the group with the others

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