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November 13, 2023, 01:57:31 PM
Of course, we cannot be sure who will qualify for the final because the group stage is not over yet. Some teams that stand out are worthy of being favorites, but regarding betting, I really believe that all teams are at risk of failing to win, so bettors must consider the risks wisely.
It is definitely not possible to be sure who will win the CL, if it was possible we'd all send the bookies parking, lol. The thing is, the strongest teams would be amongst the favorites to win the trophy and thus they'd get a lower odd. City are prolly the strongest of the lot, and i would not bet against them retaining their CL trophy, i can't see any team stopping them.

That being said, it is still a prediction and i could be completely wrong, that's why gamblers are always advised to gamble responsibly, so you don't gamble with what you cannot afford to lose.
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November 13, 2023, 01:43:29 PM
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But defeat in the Local League did not have much impact on their performance in the Champions League and Manchester City managed to record a perfect win in the Champions League so far, they also have high goal productivity with 12 goals in 4 matches this means that Man City remains a threat to opponents, I predict that at least Manchester City can reach the semifinals. Some players did move to other teams but they have also found worthy replacements and most importantly their attack line is still as strong as last season, problems may come if Haaland is injured.

By the way I just checked the betting markets for the Champions League winners and the bookies still have Manchester City at the top Bayern Munich is in 2nd place and Real Madrid is in 3rd place, the bookies may be wrong but at least we can see the predictions. what do you think, do you agree that Manchester City will win again this season? or will Harry Kane get his first Champions League trophy   Roll Eyes


Manchester City is too convincing for the bookies, but I believe they have clear reasons why Manchester City deserves to be the main favorite to win the Champions League title this season. Team performance, squad depth, manager capacity and individual player quality can be taken into consideration as to why Manchester City is superior to other teams, but all of this is just a matter of probability which cannot be 100% trusted.

Of course, we cannot be sure who will qualify for the final because the group stage is not over yet. Some teams that stand out are worthy of being favorites, but regarding betting, I really believe that all teams are at risk of failing to win, so bettors must consider the risks wisely.
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November 13, 2023, 01:38:44 PM
Group E can still be considered complicated because the first 3 teams are very close to each other at the moment. The point difference between them is only 1. Celtic have given up early which I'm not very surprised at.  Smiley  It was really difficult for them to stand still against these challenging competitors in the end. They can be the king in Scotland but not here.

Now I'm just wondering whether Atletico Madrid would mess things up once again just as it happened in the last 2 years - if I'm not mistaken about that.

They are going to gace Feyenoord (A) and Lazio (H). Both of them are tough games though but I hope to see Atletico Madrid collecting at least 4 points anyway.
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November 13, 2023, 01:15:47 PM
I don't think Manchester City can win the Champions League this season because they aren't performing like they did last season and they have sold some of their players to other clubs, which I believe causes them to play weak games. I believe Bayern Munich or Real Madrid will win the Champions League because only they have the talent of the competition and Real Madrid failed to defeat Manchester City to qualify for the Champions League final last season, I believe that if they meet in the round of 16, Real Madrid will defeat them because they are not performing as well as they did last season, but I believe this is due to De Bruyne's injury, as Haaland has not scored many goals in the league and has only received penalties since De Bruyne's injury.

Well, it's too early to determine who wins the champions league for now because their might be drama of teams we never expected to be in the finals but however I don't think there is anything wrong in Manchester city's form so far because for them to play without an important midfield like Kelvin De bryune and still win matches even topping both the premier league and their group in the champions league it's really not easy at all.

Hinting Real Madrid and Bayern Munich as possible champions league winner this season is not bad due to the fact that these clubs have good records in the champions league but you have to understand that changes I meant to happen as it might even be a team no one expected that will win the trophy however, let's watch and see how the season goes.
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November 13, 2023, 12:59:07 PM
Manchester City won the Champions League title in the last season and obviously, that's a good reason to say they are the favorite team for the tournament even during this the season but the fact about Manchester City and Pep Guardiola is they lost some power. Manchester City sold some players and they couldn't spend money and buy better players like other teams did during the summer and that's why I think other teams like Bayern Munich will have more chance of this.
Yes, Man City is one of the favorite teams to win UCL trophy because they are the winner in the last year. But they are no longer the Man City as in the last season. Man City becomes weaker if we compare their strength in the previous season. That's why Man City experienced some losses lately, they have a weak area in their lineup. It is true that some players of Man City moved to other teams. They ruined the expectation of Man City management.


But defeat in the Local League did not have much impact on their performance in the Champions League and Manchester City managed to record a perfect win in the Champions League so far, they also have high goal productivity with 12 goals in 4 matches this means that Man City remains a threat to opponents, I predict that at least Manchester City can reach the semifinals. Some players did move to other teams but they have also found worthy replacements and most importantly their attack line is still as strong as last season, problems may come if Haaland is injured.

By the way I just checked the betting markets for the Champions League winners and the bookies still have Manchester City at the top Bayern Munich is in 2nd place and Real Madrid is in 3rd place, the bookies may be wrong but at least we can see the predictions. what do you think, do you agree that Manchester City will win again this season? or will Harry Kane get his first Champions League trophy   Roll Eyes

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November 13, 2023, 12:58:41 PM
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This doesn't really strike me as a good analysis. I mean I get that data has started to play a big role in sports, we are in the whole baseball Oakland A's world nowadays and data is the king, I agree to that and all. But this one doesn't look that great.

Because at the end of the day we are going to see just two teams facing at quarter finals, those two teams will play two games, and the winner will go to semi finals, that's how that knockout stage works. Which means that technically speaking City could do as well as they possibly could, and still end up losing. We should realize that football is not that simple and we could end up with a loss that could be dangerous in the end and may have to get knocked out if you play one bad game.
Manchester City is always ahead in probability due to the depth of its squad and that is undeniable. I'm not completely sure that this season Manchester City can defend the Champions League title, but at least they can be expected to do so because of the quality of players they have.

Several other teams are also not too bad to be expected to reach the final and that is like Bayern Munich and also Real Madrid. It all still really depends on how the draw will turn out if all the teams pass from one stage to the next, so it could be right or it could be wrong. Data is important, but certainty is never guaranteed.

Bayern Munich made a big step into the right direction due to Harry Kane. That player gives them a lot more versatility and they know they have someone in the front who can take full responsibility in important situations like penalties and others. I still think that Manchester City would be the favorite against Bayern Munich although not by a lot. Manchester City is also showing weaknesses in their defense as could be seen in a couple of games now. Their game against Chelsea was really not that great.

This will be an exciting Champions League season as a couple of teams have a good chance to win this competition.
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November 13, 2023, 12:53:54 PM
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This doesn't really strike me as a good analysis. I mean I get that data has started to play a big role in sports, we are in the whole baseball Oakland A's world nowadays and data is the king, I agree to that and all. But this one doesn't look that great.

Because at the end of the day we are going to see just two teams facing at quarter finals, those two teams will play two games, and the winner will go to semi finals, that's how that knockout stage works. Which means that technically speaking City could do as well as they possibly could, and still end up losing. We should realize that football is not that simple and we could end up with a loss that could be dangerous in the end and may have to get knocked out if you play one bad game.
Manchester City is always ahead in probability due to the depth of its squad and that is undeniable. I'm not completely sure that this season Manchester City can defend the Champions League title, but at least they can be expected to do so because of the quality of players they have.

Several other teams are also not too bad to be expected to reach the final and that is like Bayern Munich and also Real Madrid. It all still really depends on how the draw will turn out if all the teams pass from one stage to the next, so it could be right or it could be wrong. Data is important, but certainty is never guaranteed.
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November 13, 2023, 12:48:19 PM
According to Opta Analyst, currently Manchester City remains the favorite to win the Champions League with a 32.29% chance, followed by Bayern Munich and Real Madrid below with quite a large margin. In fact, it is natural to favor Manchester City to win the Champions League title again this season considering that they still have the same squad depth as before and Pep Guardiola even continues to update his squad by recruiting several other talented players.

On the other hand, Bayern Munich is indeed a bit of a threat after they managed to acquire the services of Harry Kane since last summer and this is proven by the productivity of goals scored by the English player. However, what is quite surprising is that Real Madrid is still included in the top 3, even though they don't have a great striker for scoring goals and mostly they only rely on the magic of Jude Bellingham, Vini and Rodrygo to score goals. Apart from all that, if Manchester City can win this title back to back it will be a good record. Even if Bayern Munich wins this title, it will certainly be a good record after the last time they won it in 2020 and it would also be the first champions league title for Harry Kane. However, if Real Madrid can win the title this season without a mature striker, of course that will be the result obtained thanks to the winning mentality they have had so far.
This doesn't really strike me as a good analysis. I mean I get that data has started to play a big role in sports, we are in the whole baseball Oakland A's world nowadays and data is the king, I agree to that and all. But this one doesn't look that great.

Because at the end of the day we are going to see just two teams facing at quarter finals, those two teams will play two games, and the winner will go to semi finals, that's how that knockout stage works. Which means that technically speaking City could do as well as they possibly could, and still end up losing. We should realize that football is not that simple and we could end up with a loss that could be dangerous in the end and may have to get knocked out if you play one bad game.
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November 13, 2023, 12:42:17 PM
Its ok with the data collect by Opta analitycs, but i think Manchester United is ended up going to the round of 16, they only need to win on Istanbul and take a draw in Old trafford against a qualified Bayern, is complicated yes, b ut i can see their having luck and going into 16 round.
Losing at old trafford was enough to proving that if beating galatasaray will not be as easy as you said. Manchester united is always struggling when it was playing at away. Hojlund is good in UCL but he is so damn bad in EPL.
Manchester united needs to work even harder to make sure the club will able to perform even better. The chance of MU to pass the group stage will be determined from the result gainst galatasaray.

Im quite skeptical with the result. Let's see.

Galatasaray is still remain my favorite.
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November 13, 2023, 12:37:31 PM
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Even though we do not see too many problems for Real Madrid, even though they do not have the best-attacking setup right now, I think we are going to see some problems for them in the future. Especially when they are going to face bigger opponents. When they are going to face Manchester City Bayern Munich and other opponents like that, they are definitely going to feel the need for a great striker. That's why I was honestly a little amazed to see that Real Madrid did not do almost anything to get Harry Kane. Of course, the money that Keram was asking for was too much. But they definitely could have made an effort.
I really understand what you are saying but I am not really worried about Real Madrid who will compete against other big teams like Man City and Munich because for me Real madrid  ready and strong enough to compete competitively with those big teams even seeing readiness of Bellingham and Vinicius has made it very clear that Madrid mainstay player will be able to make his best contribution and maybe if there is still time to bring in the best striker I think there will be surprise that we will see in january.
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November 13, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
Its ok with the data collect by Opta analitycs, but i think Manchester United is ended up going to the round of 16, they only need to win on Istanbul and take a draw in Old trafford against a qualified Bayern, is complicated yes, b ut i can see their having luck and going into 16 round.
According to calculations, it is true that Ten Hag squad must win over Galatasaray in the second leg, and in any case must be able to hold Bayern to a draw at Old Trafford. But we have seen how United lost at Old Trafford in the first leg against Galatasaray and also lost to Bayern, I realize that this is a very decisive match for the club and for the coach.

United fate actually really depends on Bayern and in their own hands, because if there is a surprise in the match between Bayern and Copenhagen then United fate will be very unfortunate even if they can beat Galatasaray. In short, the fate of the Ten Hag squad really depends on the other teams in Group A.

I want the Red Devils to advance to the last 16, but with their current performance and statistics it seems difficult to achieve this. Seeing their match against Luton, Maguire and his friends were only able to win narrowly, this is what I mean they seem to be having difficulties.
Winning against Galatasaray in their next game in the UEFA Champions League and drawing against Bayern Munich in their last game of the of the group stage is mathematically not enough to take Manchester United to the knockout stages of the UEFA Champions League competition.
Manchester United needs to win their next two games against Galatasaray and Bayern Munich to stand a chance of progressing to the next round which I think will be difficult for the English Premier League club to achieve
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November 13, 2023, 12:26:49 PM
Manchester City won the Champions League title in the last season and obviously, that's a good reason to say they are the favorite team for the tournament even during this the season but the fact about Manchester City and Pep Guardiola is they lost some power. Manchester City sold some players and they couldn't spend money and buy better players like other teams did during the summer and that's why I think other teams like Bayern Munich will have more chance of this.
Yes, Man City is one of the favorite teams to win UCL trophy because they are the winner in the last year. But they are no longer the Man City as in the last season. Man City becomes weaker if we compare their strength in the previous season. That's why Man City experienced some losses lately, they have a weak area in their lineup. It is true that some players of Man City moved to other teams. They ruined the expectation of Man City management.

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November 13, 2023, 12:04:54 PM
Its ok with the data collect by Opta analitycs, but i think Manchester United is ended up going to the round of 16, they only need to win on Istanbul and take a draw in Old trafford against a qualified Bayern, is complicated yes, b ut i can see their having luck and going into 16 round.
According to calculations, it is true that Ten Hag squad must win over Galatasaray in the second leg, and in any case must be able to hold Bayern to a draw at Old Trafford. But we have seen how United lost at Old Trafford in the first leg against Galatasaray and also lost to Bayern, I realize that this is a very decisive match for the club and for the coach.

United fate actually really depends on Bayern and in their own hands, because if there is a surprise in the match between Bayern and Copenhagen then United fate will be very unfortunate even if they can beat Galatasaray. In short, the fate of the Ten Hag squad really depends on the other teams in Group A.

I want the Red Devils to advance to the last 16, but with their current performance and statistics it seems difficult to achieve this. Seeing their match against Luton, Maguire and his friends were only able to win narrowly, this is what I mean they seem to be having difficulties.
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November 13, 2023, 12:04:26 PM
On paper, Manchester City is still at the top and that is very natural, considering that they are the defending champions in the two best competitions, EPL and UCL. In line with that, as you mentioned they have the complete attributes to do it again, I mean win it again this season. This analysis could of course be wrong, if Bayern Munchen and Real Madrid increase their troops again in the transfer market next January, by recruiting new players. We certainly agree that these two clubs cannot be considered mediocre this season, whoever wants to win the UCL must be able to beat them.
Manchester City is still one of the strong favorites in the Champions League, but I am not sure that this season they will be able to defend the Champions League title. Except for the EPL title and I am still quite confident that Manchester City's chances of retaining it are still quite big. Bayern Munich and Real Madrid also have a good chance of becoming contenders for the Champions League title, but we also have to see how they are able to advance to the semifinals and beat several teams in matches after the group phase.

For now, it is still quite difficult to see who will qualify for the final, let alone guess for sure who will win the Champions League because they still have several big matches to play in the future. But for the three teams we are talking about, the opportunities they have are very big and they also have equal quality players in all positions to compete with other teams.

I don't think Manchester City can win the Champions League this season because they aren't performing like they did last season and they have sold some of their players to other clubs, which I believe causes them to play weak games. I believe Bayern Munich or Real Madrid will win the Champions League because only they have the talent of the competition and Real Madrid failed to defeat Manchester City to qualify for the Champions League final last season, I believe that if they meet in the round of 16, Real Madrid will defeat them because they are not performing as well as they did last season, but I believe this is due to De Bruyne's injury, as Haaland has not scored many goals in the league and has only received penalties since De Bruyne's injury.
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November 13, 2023, 12:00:32 PM
To be honest, I'm not holding my breath for Manchester United's game against Galatasaray. Based on what I've seen, United's play has not been encouraging, especially since Hojlund and Eriksen could be hurt. United's chances look even worse if they're out. It's going to be tough at Rams Park because Galatasaray is tough, especially when they're trying to stay in the Champions League. At this point, United might have to focus on making it to the Europa League because, let's face it, winning this game seems like a long shot.
Your opinion is reasonable, Manchester United will not be able to escape from the group phase because the remaining matches are against strong teams such as Galatasaray and Bayern Munich. Maybe they should focus on qualifying for the European league by pursuing third place in the group considering that Manchester United's decline is not only a strategic problem but many injured players will put Erik Tag in big trouble.

But I still believe that MU's recent downturn is due to Erik Tag Hag's own fault for not being able to discipline his players, and he doesn't dare to bench players who really don't work, they continue to be played even though these players never improve every time they are played. I hope that when we play against Galatasaray, Erik Tag Hag will have the courage to take a firm stance towards the players and can formulate a good strategy, because victory over Galatasaray is important for increasing the players' self-confidence.
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November 13, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
According to Opta Analyst, currently Manchester City remains the favorite to win the Champions League with a 32.29% chance, followed by Bayern Munich and Real Madrid below with quite a large margin. In fact, it is natural to favor Manchester City to win the Champions League title again this season considering that they still have the same squad depth as before and Pep Guardiola even continues to update his squad by recruiting several other talented players.

It's not wrong even I also favorite them and Bayern Munich. Although it is still very difficult to be sure but Man City is very convincing. They became the first team to qualify for the knockout phase with Leipzig. Man city got perfect points in 4 matches even though they were indeed their trip I think quite easy. Man City's performance in the league has also begun to improve despite having just drawn. As for Bayern Munich, the arrival of Kane seems to make Bayern sangabur this season. Kane's stats are incredible 17 goals in all games.

If we consider the current situation then of course, we will agree with that analysis. Because yes, it looks like Menchester City only needs Bruyne to recover from his injury, because even without Bruyne, but Manchester City still get good results. Therefore, if later Bruyne recovers and can play again, then of course Manchester City will be able to get even better than the results that have happened so far this season. But yes, I think if for example Real Madrid manages to bring in a new striker in the January transfer window, then with the new striker who might be brought in Real Madrid can be even better. At least, at this time Real Madrid only needs to be able to maintain its consistency, because Real Madrid also has the quality of players who are very good in every line.
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November 13, 2023, 11:19:36 AM
Manchester united playing Galatasaray at Galatasaray's home in their next champions league fixture is definitely going to be another though one for Manchester united as that fixture is a determinant for Galatasaray and they will be playing form home against Manchester united.

Galatasaray would not want to give a chance to Manchester united on this one because if they loose they are definitely going to be affected with their chances to qualify, they have four points with Copenhagen which is at the second position on the table, if they win and Copenhagen loose to Bayern Munich they are definitely sure of qualifying but if they draw then Copenhagen will have to loose for them to be sure of qualifying so the best alternative for them is to win which they are definitely going to make to that in their home, currently it looks like Manchester united with their current form needs a miracle to qualify.
It is a very important match for Galatasaray, they cannot afford to lose this match, but in my opinion, Galatasaray is not a very stable team. Even though UCL is looking good so far, I'm a little doubtful that they can win this match.

I remember the first match, Galatasaray had a very good win, but last week they lost to Hatayspor in the league. They had league defeats before that, and all of these give a clue to the match against Manchester United in the UCL. In this match, I will trust goalkeeper Muslera the most. If we make few mistakes, it will be a great reward for Galatasaray if they win this match and get out of the group.
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November 13, 2023, 10:50:04 AM
Its ok with the data collect by Opta analitycs, but i think Manchester United is ended up going to the round of 16, they only need to win on Istanbul and take a draw in Old trafford against a qualified Bayern, is complicated yes, b ut i can see their having luck and going into 16 round.
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November 13, 2023, 10:26:59 AM
On paper, Manchester City is still at the top and that is very natural, considering that they are the defending champions in the two best competitions, EPL and UCL. In line with that, as you mentioned they have the complete attributes to do it again, I mean win it again this season. This analysis could of course be wrong, if Bayern Munchen and Real Madrid increase their troops again in the transfer market next January, by recruiting new players. We certainly agree that these two clubs cannot be considered mediocre this season, whoever wants to win the UCL must be able to beat them.
Manchester City is still one of the strong favorites in the Champions League, but I am not sure that this season they will be able to defend the Champions League title. Except for the EPL title and I am still quite confident that Manchester City's chances of retaining it are still quite big. Bayern Munich and Real Madrid also have a good chance of becoming contenders for the Champions League title, but we also have to see how they are able to advance to the semifinals and beat several teams in matches after the group phase.

For now, it is still quite difficult to see who will qualify for the final, let alone guess for sure who will win the Champions League because they still have several big matches to play in the future. But for the three teams we are talking about, the opportunities they have are very big and they also have equal quality players in all positions to compete with other teams.

I agree that this year there isn't this one team that everybody believes will win the Champions League. Manchester City is always a favorite, but compared to last season they are not playing as perfectly. Real Madrid has very strong games, but sometimes also underperform. It's difficult to compare teams based on their performances in the domestic leagues, but Inter Milan is doing very well and could once again make it into the final and perhaps win it this year. Bayern Munich is erratic and some of the other big favorites, too.
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November 13, 2023, 10:26:27 AM
Manchester united playing Galatasaray at Galatasaray's home in their next champions league fixture is definitely going to be another though one for Manchester united as that fixture is a determinant for Galatasaray and they will be playing form home against Manchester united.

Galatasaray would not want to give a chance to Manchester united on this one because if they loose they are definitely going to be affected with their chances to qualify, they have four points with Copenhagen which is at the second position on the table, if they win and Copenhagen loose to Bayern Munich they are definitely sure of qualifying but if they draw then Copenhagen will have to loose for them to be sure of qualifying so the best alternative for them is to win which they are definitely going to make to that in their home, currently it looks like Manchester united with their current form needs a miracle to qualify.
To be honest, I'm not holding my breath for Manchester United's game against Galatasaray. Based on what I've seen, United's play has not been encouraging, especially since Hojlund and Eriksen could be hurt. United's chances look even worse if they're out. It's going to be tough at Rams Park because Galatasaray is tough, especially when they're trying to stay in the Champions League. At this point, United might have to focus on making it to the Europa League because, let's face it, winning this game seems like a long shot.



I also think it would be better for Manchester United to qualify for the Europa League, but that still doesn't guarantee them success this season. They have the worst result in the group and now even Copenhagen have a better chance to stay in third place. As for the match against Galatasaray, I think Manchester United will lose.
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