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October 05, 2023, 02:59:11 PM
It is difficult for sure as it is a group of death on paper. The current points are also telling us this. It is even difficult to be confident about PSG to qualify from their group. Because that horrible result against Newcastle showed this to us clearly. Newcastle have also proven themselves to be a team that mustn't be underestimated even a bit. I would have also said normally that PSG and Milan would qualify for next stage. However things are pretty different now.

I can't even believe in PSG to be successful despite having Mbappe. As long as this team don't reassure us by some consistency I will doubt their qualifying from the group.

Unfortunately, I didn't watch this match. So, I just read based on statistics. It cannot be denied, it seems like the tactics implemented by Eddie Howe are going according to his plan. although previously, Newcastle experienced difficulties on their first matchday against AC Milan. However, when they played against PSG at their own headquarters, Eddie Howe's squad was able to win this match by a landslide. Either he has learned from the previous match, or it could be because the strategy implemented by Enrique failed miserably. That's why I can't judge this match objectively. because, I prefer to watch other matches presented in the Champions League.

If I refer to PSG's statistics and line-up, I conclude that Enrique was experimenting in this match. because, very rarely does he apply the 4-2-3-1 pattern. Usually Enrique uses a 4-3-3, or 3-4-3 system. I don't know why Enrique implemented that pattern system, but what is certain is that he failed miserably in this match. even though in fact, PSG controlled 73% of ball possession. However, their defense line was poor, which in the end was easily broken through by Eddie Howe's squad. In the future, I am quite sure that Enrique will not apply a pattern like that again.
Now Newcastle are in first place in the group phase, on matchday 3 they will host Dortmund. We cannot predict the results yet. while PSG will host Milan. In the next match, at least we will have a little idea which teams have almost no chance of qualifying for the Group F phase.
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October 05, 2023, 02:35:21 PM
Celtic lost 2-1 at home against Lazio. Celtic scored the first goal in the match and ended the first half with a 1-1 draw. Lazio didn't play very well away from home, but Lazio got an important win with a goal in the last minutes. Pedro, who came on in the 84th minute, scored the winning goal after 10 minutes. Thus, Atletico and Lazio reached 4 points in group E while Feyenoord 3 and Celtic 0.
A team with an attacking playing style like Celtic was not expected to lose the match against Lazio. Celtic should have scored more than just 1 goal in this match, but Lazio's defense was also very good, making Celtic's attackers confused. Lazio's last minute goal certainly added to the pain for the Celtic players and if this continues then Celtic will definitely be eliminated in the Champions League group phase.
Celtic used to give most teams a hard time. Nowadays we see a Celtic that is far from its former strength. Normally, when they play at home, they can challenge their opponents and even win, but we can see that as time progresses, they have lost their old strength and are no longer the feared dream of the big teams. Celtic's performance so far shows that they will definitely not get out of the group and will be eliminated. I think they will most probably finish 4th in the group.

The Celtic team is relatively weak. But winning against this team will not be an easy task for Lazio or Atletico Madrid. Feyenoord had an excellent 2-0 win at home against Celtic. However, it was not easy for Lazio to defeat Celtic in the away match. Celtic's players performed very well at home. They fought to win the entire match. And the performance of the players was also very good in this match. But they were unlucky. Lazio won the match by scoring in extra time after 90 minutes. Lazio won the match 2-1 thanks to Pedro's goal in the 90th+5th minute. However, we saw a very good performance from the Celtic players in this match.
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October 05, 2023, 02:34:52 PM
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For Arsenal, Man United and PSG, I agree with you, these three clubs should be able to secure full points because they have opponents who are actually a little weak. Napoli was a little different because they were facing a relatively strong team, namely Madrid. Previously, Rudi Garcia squad was superior because they were playing at home, then it was proven that Madrid was still strong enough for Napoli to beat. I think the next match on matchday three will be more difficult, because it will create a bigger difference in points within each group. Newcastle's win over PSG surprised everyone, I think the score 4-1 is quite big.

On the other hand, it is a little surprising to see Arsenal and PSG lose, because if you look at the composition of players owned by the two clubs, Asenal and PSG occupy the second and third positions, as the clubs with the most expensive squad in the world behind Man City in first place. Enrique, Arteta, Ten Hag and Rudi Garcia must make extra efforts in the UCL, not only must they improve their defense line, their front line should also receive special attention, because of the lack of goals. If they lose points in the next match, it will put their club in trouble, potentially failing to qualify for the last 16.

You are right. Arsenal, PSG and Manchester United are teams that have better squad depth than the opponents they face. But in fact, several mistakes made the opposing team manage to take advantage of it to win maximum points. I was surprised about the defeats of PSG, Manchester United and Arsenal, but Napoli's defeat seemed reasonable considering that Real Madrid are the kings of the Champions League.

Among the 4 teams discussed, I think Manchester United is the worst team. Why not, Manchester United has suffered two defeats from two group stage matches so far. They don't seem ready to compete, but the opportunity is still there because the difference in points can still be caught.
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October 05, 2023, 02:26:08 PM
Congratulations to Newcastle United.  I never expected that Newcastle United will perform this wonders in the Champions league. I can confidently say that Newcastle is the wonders of this season's Champions League because they have not been in the Champions League for the past twenty years. Now they managed to enter, they were somehow unlucky to join the hardest group to be qualified from. And I predicted that Newcastle will not win even one match from the matches they will play, which means they will not qualify from the group but I am surprised that they drew one match. Just last night,  they were able to trash PSG and I am happy with Newcastle United. We should not be surprised as Newcastle United will qualify from the group match and they will take everybody by surprise by going very far in the Champions League competition.
Once again,  congratulations Newcastle United !
This shows that Newcastle have improved in their performance are they are ready to face any club that comes their way in this champions league. Their defense was very strong yesterday at it was difficult for PSG strikers to penetrate. Last season performance in EPL has shown that Newcastle might be able to surprise us in the champions league this season, which they have given us the first surprise from yesterday's match. So many big clubs lost their matches yesterday.
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October 05, 2023, 02:25:15 PM
Celtic lost 2-1 at home against Lazio. Celtic scored the first goal in the match and ended the first half with a 1-1 draw. Lazio didn't play very well away from home, but Lazio got an important win with a goal in the last minutes. Pedro, who came on in the 84th minute, scored the winning goal after 10 minutes. Thus, Atletico and Lazio reached 4 points in group E while Feyenoord 3 and Celtic 0.
A team with an attacking playing style like Celtic was not expected to lose the match against Lazio. Celtic should have scored more than just 1 goal in this match, but Lazio's defense was also very good, making Celtic's attackers confused. Lazio's last minute goal certainly added to the pain for the Celtic players and if this continues then Celtic will definitely be eliminated in the Champions League group phase.
Celtic used to give most teams a hard time. Nowadays we see a Celtic that is far from its former strength. Normally, when they play at home, they can challenge their opponents and even win, but we can see that as time progresses, they have lost their old strength and are no longer the feared dream of the big teams. Celtic's performance so far shows that they will definitely not get out of the group and will be eliminated. I think they will most probably finish 4th in the group.
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October 05, 2023, 02:24:23 PM
I couldn't understand what you mean by PSG's young star Luis Enrique. Luis Enrique is the coach and is responsible for giving the right tactics to his players. Paris Saint Germain could not play well. They are also going through difficult times in the French league and with Mbappe's performance far from last year, Paris is getting bad results this year. If there is any success here, it is the success of Newcastle United.
Maybe he meant the young player Mbappe, only he typed wrong.
I agree with you that Mbappe doesn't seem to have same performance as last season and seems to only perform with normal performance, even his reliability a little different from the previous season or maybe this is all because this player knows he will soon leave PSG so there is no need to make a good contribution if considering that previously Mbappe also had problems with Mbappe and I am quite sure that PSG will fail again in the Champions League match and Luis Enrique will have to accept all the risks when he fails to deliver on the promises he made to the PSG owner.
This season will probably be a bad history for PSG, failing to get another title and losing its reliable players and even having to lose its coach and this is just my bad thought and if this really happens, it looks like the title in League 1 will also be difficult to get.
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October 05, 2023, 02:17:34 PM
Congratulations to Newcastle United.  I never expected that Newcastle United will perform this wonders in the Champions league. I can confidently say that Newcastle is the wonders of this season's Champions League because they have not been in the Champions League for the past twenty years. Now they managed to enter, they were somehow unlucky to join the hardest group to be qualified from. And I predicted that Newcastle will not win even one match from the matches they will play, which means they will not qualify from the group but I am surprised that they drew one match. Just last night,  they were able to trash PSG and I am happy with Newcastle United. We should not be surprised as Newcastle United will qualify from the group match and they will take everybody by surprise by going very far in the Champions League competition.
Once again,  congratulations Newcastle United !
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October 05, 2023, 02:08:42 PM
It is still too difficult to determine which teams will qualify for the round of 16 considering that they all still have 4 matches left. Newcastle, PSG, Milan and Dortmund all still have a chance of qualifying if they can win their next few games and this is one of the most difficult groups to predict.

I'm also not completely sure Newcastle can maintain consistent performance even though they haven't been beaten in the group stage in the last 2 matches, but Milan and PSG are good candidates to hope to compete closely until the last match. I favor Milan and PSG to go through, but Newcastle is the team that has the possibility of denying either of them a place in the last 16.

It is difficult for sure as it is a group of death on paper. The current points are also telling us this. It is even difficult to be confident about PSG to qualify from their group. Because that horrible result against Newcastle showed this to us clearly. Newcastle have also proven themselves to be a team that mustn't be underestimated even a bit. I would have also said normally that PSG and Milan would qualify for next stage. However things are pretty different now.

I can't even believe in PSG to be successful despite having Mbappe. As long as this team don't reassure us by some consistency I will doubt their qualifying from the group.
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October 05, 2023, 01:58:47 PM
Celtic lost 2-1 at home against Lazio. Celtic scored the first goal in the match and ended the first half with a 1-1 draw. Lazio didn't play very well away from home, but Lazio got an important win with a goal in the last minutes. Pedro, who came on in the 84th minute, scored the winning goal after 10 minutes. Thus, Atletico and Lazio reached 4 points in group E while Feyenoord 3 and Celtic 0.
Another defeats recorded, Celtic sits bottom of Group E table with zero points scored. They might as well put enough effort to reach the crucial stages probably when they start playing second legs. Celtic defeat against Lazio was an expected results because the team have absolutely no clue on the important games played, attempt to secured a draw tie but was denied at the end, they were unable to record draw tie with these standard club, next game is Atletico Madrid which will be really frustrating and dangerous for them, I doubt if they would be able to net a goal against Los Colchoneros.
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October 05, 2023, 01:57:47 PM
Celtic lost 2-1 at home against Lazio. Celtic scored the first goal in the match and ended the first half with a 1-1 draw. Lazio didn't play very well away from home, but Lazio got an important win with a goal in the last minutes. Pedro, who came on in the 84th minute, scored the winning goal after 10 minutes. Thus, Atletico and Lazio reached 4 points in group E while Feyenoord 3 and Celtic 0.
A team with an attacking playing style like Celtic was not expected to lose the match against Lazio. Celtic should have scored more than just 1 goal in this match, but Lazio's defense was also very good, making Celtic's attackers confused. Lazio's last minute goal certainly added to the pain for the Celtic players and if this continues then Celtic will definitely be eliminated in the Champions League group phase.
Based on match statistics, Celtic dominated possession with 56% of the ball while Lazio was only able to get 44% but it cannot be denied that the defense of both teams was quite good, Lazio was really lucky to get another goal in the 90+5' minute, Ledesma's goal at the end of the match absolutely brilliant.


another very interesting match, Newcastle vs PSG, to be honest, Newcastle's victory was really something unexpected, Newcastle really has a very strong defense, even throughout the match, PSG was only able to make 2 shots on goal, currently Newcastle was the leader in group F, while PSG were runners up, Newcastle really had a goal party.
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October 05, 2023, 01:57:31 PM
Arsenal, Manchester United, PSG and Napoli were the top 4 teams who lost in the second match of the group stage. The four teams mentioned failed to achieve a victory that should have been quite convincing. They dominated the attack but were unable to win because the opposing team played better in taking advantage of opportunities and defending.

PSG were really bad in defense, while they were unlucky in attack because Newcastle's defense was too strong. PSG only had 2 shots on target from 11 attempts, which is too low when Mbappe, Muani, Dembele and Goncalo Ramos play together.
For Arsenal, Man United and PSG, I agree with you, these three clubs should be able to secure full points because they have opponents who are actually a little weak. Napoli was a little different because they were facing a relatively strong team, namely Madrid. Previously, Rudi Garcia squad was superior because they were playing at home, then it was proven that Madrid was still strong enough for Napoli to beat. I think the next match on matchday three will be more difficult, because it will create a bigger difference in points within each group. Newcastle's win over PSG surprised everyone, I think the score 4-1 is quite big.

On the other hand, it is a little surprising to see Arsenal and PSG lose, because if you look at the composition of players owned by the two clubs, Asenal and PSG occupy the second and third positions, as the clubs with the most expensive squad in the world behind Man City in first place. Enrique, Arteta, Ten Hag and Rudi Garcia must make extra efforts in the UCL, not only must they improve their defense line, their front line should also receive special attention, because of the lack of goals. If they lose points in the next match, it will put their club in trouble, potentially failing to qualify for the last 16.
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October 05, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
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It's very hard to predict what will be the final standing at the last match day. Acmilan/PSG/Newcstle are still competing so hard for the first and second place. The situation can change a lot once acmilan will be able to beat PSG away.
This is the key owned by acmilan to go to the next stage. The possible scenario if newcastle will be winning the match and acmilan as well. This will make newcastle has 3 points and acmilan has 2 points gap to the PSG.

Dortmund is the only club who is still performing so badly in this group. Dortmund needs a miracle to go to the play off stage. The standing can change anytime and this totally depends on the result from upcoming game.
My prediction if newcastle and acmilan will be qualifying for the next round.
Im very optimistic if acmilan will able to beat PSG away. Acmilan was always playing awfully during the first and second match as these clubs were always getting 1 point.
It is still too difficult to determine which teams will qualify for the round of 16 considering that they all still have 4 matches left. Newcastle, PSG, Milan and Dortmund all still have a chance of qualifying if they can win their next few games and this is one of the most difficult groups to predict.

I'm also not completely sure Newcastle can maintain consistent performance even though they haven't been beaten in the group stage in the last 2 matches, but Milan and PSG are good candidates to hope to compete closely until the last match. I favor Milan and PSG to go through, but Newcastle is the team that has the possibility of denying either of them a place in the last 16.
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October 05, 2023, 01:41:06 PM
Celtic lost 2-1 at home against Lazio. Celtic scored the first goal in the match and ended the first half with a 1-1 draw. Lazio didn't play very well away from home, but Lazio got an important win with a goal in the last minutes. Pedro, who came on in the 84th minute, scored the winning goal after 10 minutes. Thus, Atletico and Lazio reached 4 points in group E while Feyenoord 3 and Celtic 0.
A team with an attacking playing style like Celtic was not expected to lose the match against Lazio. Celtic should have scored more than just 1 goal in this match, but Lazio's defense was also very good, making Celtic's attackers confused. Lazio's last minute goal certainly added to the pain for the Celtic players and if this continues then Celtic will definitely be eliminated in the Champions League group phase.
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October 05, 2023, 01:39:37 PM
I really appreciated Feyenoord's high level dedication. In the end it isn't easy to get ahead 2 times against a team like Atletico Madrid in an away match. But all that effort was still not enough to steal any point. The player I liked the most in this match was Alvaro Morata. He played a big role in the 3-2 win by scoring 2 goals.

Aside from that Morata is really fired up this season. He scored 7 goals in 8 matches so far. This is just something new we see from him.  Grin  It is like this is the season that he proves he isn't actually a very overrated striker.
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October 05, 2023, 01:36:01 PM
Congratulations to those who bet on Barcelona and maybe this time Barcelona was just lucky with this win. For Porto fans, this result must be enough to make them angry and for me, who tried to turn the tide by betting a handicap for Porto's advantage, I felt disadvantaged in this match. The reason is that the referee's decision was felt to be very detrimental to Porto, how could Porto not have received 2 penalties, but the referee did not give a single penalty in this match. Starting from Cancelo's handball, after being checked by VAR, the referee said the ball had hit the Porto player first. Then there was Julius Kounde who pulled a Porto player's shirt in the penalty box until he fell, but the referee didn't consider it a foul.

I think this match is a bit strange and I don't want to give too much opinion about it. Well, however, the match is over and Porto must accept this result sincerely and continue to be confident in the next match.
I agree because in last few weeks we have too much mess-up just because of these referees and use of technology is also not working in these cases which are more headache for the fans like we have in Premier League game Tottenham vs Liverpool and now this Porto vs Barcelona is again a big disappointment for the fans this match surely deserve as strangest match of this week with having no positive decisions for the home side against Barcelona which ends with a narrow second win of their second match in this season here in Champions League.

Even we have eight cards for the Barcelona but still all important decisions gone against Porto which is now having 3 points from two games but still have good chance for staying at the second spot because they are having good quality and good players which can turn the matches into better way for their club.
VAR was invented because of this, referees could miss some stuff and that would mean that if they miss it at least they can recheck it from the VAR as well. This has been an amazing new technology because it has proven to everyone that there were wrong decisions, we have seen referees do not make the right choice and then they look at VAR and overturn their decision as well.

That is showing that a ref can't see it all, and it is not really human to think that they could see every single thing that could happen, so it is smarter to just have VAR system activated in those cases. But even with that, some refs are still not up to the code yet and they end up making wrong moves and they ignore all that VAR stuff and keep insisting on wrong decisions.
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October 05, 2023, 01:06:08 PM
In Group F, there was a game with a goal and a game without a goal.
There was no goal in the Dortmund - Milan match. I expected at least 2-3 goals in the match, so it was hard to predict the result, but a draw is not a good result for both teams.
Perhaps one of the best matches of the day was Newcastle vs PSG. Newcastle won the match 4-1 and took over the group leadership. It should be said that it was not a game of possession but a game of goals. Although PSG had more of the ball, they couldn't capitalize on their goal scoring opportunities and were defeated away from home.
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October 05, 2023, 01:03:21 PM
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I thought that after the change of coach PSG would get better, but under Enrique's control their condition was not so stable. I am surprised by the concept built by the French team, even though they have good finances so they can build a capable squad, but the results seen on the field are very sad. I wouldn't dare bet on PSG even though they have a chance to recover but I don't think this team will be able to achieve high achievements in the Champions League.

PSG owners also seem to always pamper Mbappe. I think this is very dangerous because they only focus on one individual, which makes Mbappe carried away by a selfish attitude. Even though last season was an opportunity for PSG when they still had Neymar and Messi, internal problems made things complicated.
Arsenal, Manchester United, PSG and Napoli were the top 4 teams who lost in the second match of the group stage. The four teams mentioned failed to achieve a victory that should have been quite convincing. They dominated the attack but were unable to win because the opposing team played better in taking advantage of opportunities and defending.

PSG were really bad in defense, while they were unlucky in attack because Newcastle's defense was too strong. PSG only had 2 shots on target from 11 attempts, which is too low when Mbappe, Muani, Dembele and Goncalo Ramos play together.
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October 05, 2023, 12:42:58 PM
Psg have really fallen out of place and if they continue like this then they might certainly have a big problem by the end of the season because even in their league one games it's a problem for them to actually secure a victory and I think its because of the lose they actually enquired by the start of season which is two players of very high caliber and influence to this team because I know that for sure if Messi and neymar were present in this game the whole scoreline would have been a lot more different.
I thought that after the change of coach PSG would get better, but under Enrique's control their condition was not so stable. I am surprised by the concept built by the French team, even though they have good finances so they can build a capable squad, but the results seen on the field are very sad. I wouldn't dare bet on PSG even though they have a chance to recover but I don't think this team will be able to achieve high achievements in the Champions League.

PSG owners also seem to always pamper Mbappe. I think this is very dangerous because they only focus on one individual, which makes Mbappe carried away by a selfish attitude. Even though last season was an opportunity for PSG when they still had Neymar and Messi, internal problems made things complicated.
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October 05, 2023, 12:30:28 PM
Celtic lost 2-1 at home against Lazio. Celtic scored the first goal in the match and ended the first half with a 1-1 draw. Lazio didn't play very well away from home, but Lazio got an important win with a goal in the last minutes. Pedro, who came on in the 84th minute, scored the winning goal after 10 minutes. Thus, Atletico and Lazio reached 4 points in group E while Feyenoord 3 and Celtic 0.
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October 05, 2023, 12:27:25 PM
I like the fire that Atletico Madrid brings when they come for their champions league match. They always show the hunger and I tip them to go past the round of sixteen and into the finals.
Any team playing against them should be ready to get whooped or go with a draw.
I would like to see them play against the Italian sides and there I can conclude on how good I rate them.

Atletico's game has indeed improved. I hope they can get through the group phase because I see they have a better chance of qualifying than other teams. although there are still several matches to be faced.
Atletico's competitor to qualify is probably Lazio, and in the next match against Celtic they of course have a greater chance of qualifying when they managed to beat Celtic.
Hopefully, they won't be quickly satisfied with the results they get. However, they must improve the quality of their attackers to create more opportunities in every match.
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