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Quote from: ahmia39 on March 07, 2022, 08:04:43 AM

Quote from: tulusikhlas on March 07, 2022, 07:12:35 AM

Manchester City are the most comfortable now, how not, they already have a 5 goal advantage which they created in the first meeting. And Sporting I see it's difficult to turn things around, even though Manchester City didn't play as impressive a game as in the first meeting, Sporting still won't be able to beat Manchester City. Yes Manchester City can now be more flexible to rotate their players.

Manchester City are too superior for Sporting, they currently have a very complete squad and of course they deserve to go all the way to the Final. I believe this year Pep Guardiola will win the Champions League title for the first time for Manchester City.

Now they don't have to think about UCL I think because Aggregat has spoken now and of course it's very difficult if Sporting wants to make a comeback.
I think for City it will be an easy game and this is their chance to rotate players and to test the players who have been on the bench for a long time because even if they play like this I still have doubts

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Quote from: herurist on March 06, 2022, 04:26:13 PM

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The main problem is that many people just look at names. Perhaps by the names this is really the best trio. But we are not in a FIFA 20XX game where you can put together a team of different players from different times and get a team where all the players are in their prime. It's too late for Messi to be in the best trio, it's too early for Mbappe, and it's hard to evaluate Neymar at all Grin

As for Individuals they are still good but as you said they are still looking at the names and individual skills in looking at the trio.
Even though they have quite good individual skills it doesn't mean they can be very crazy for the trio.
I think for now the clubs in the EPL still have a pretty good trio for now even though their individual abilities can be said to have lost in terms of fame but there are indeed some clubs like Liverpool who make a very good trio now.

Even if evaluated individually, in my opinion only Mbappe stands out from the rest. Neymar and Messi are the same hard workers as Pogba (who is criticized by everyone, often undeservedly), Hazard, Gnabi, etc. But are they as good as Salah? I have big doubts about this. Therefore, I am surprised by categorical statements like "the best trio next to which no one can compare."

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Quote from: RapTarX on March 07, 2022, 09:59:10 AM

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Casemiro & Kroos will be missing the match. That will be a flood for Madrid. I'm a Madrid fan, no doubt I will place bet on Madrid to win but this will be hard for them with the young combination. 1st leg was disaster for them. But I believe PSG will have more harder time than they would expect in Santiago Bernabeu; with the comeback of Ultras Sur after a long time.

I am not a Real Madrid fan nor am I a PSG fan but I believe PSG can dominate Real Madrid in the second leg if PSG play like the first leg. Real Madrid are very experienced in the Champions League but I'm not sure about their chances this season with Ancelotti.

I agree with you that the first leg is a disaster for Real Madrid, but if Real Madrid are not passionate enough to win the match then PSG will qualify for the next round. Both teams have a chance to qualify even though PSG have won the first leg by 1 goal. I wouldn't bet on any team, but PSG don't look worthy to be underestimated.

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Quote from: iv4n on March 07, 2022, 06:01:46 AM

Liverpool to win and both teams to score, Bayern vs Salzburg 1 - 1!

I feel like Liverpool could win without conceding. I mean they did it before at the reverse fixture... But if they do concede, I think they'd still be up by two goals. So prolly Liverpool to win -1 handicap at 1.91 should prolly be a safe bet here? What do you think? You get your money back if score line is something like 1 - 0, 2 - 1. Grin

And with the City match, I feel like Pep will relax, bench most of his key players and play mostly the B squad. The under three goals could be good here at 2.16. The match could end with something like 2 - 0, 3 - 0. If 3 - 0 you get your money back too. Grin

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 07, 2022, 09:32:29 AM

I don't know about PSG because with their squad they should not be afraid of anything but with their form, well, that's another story.

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Casemiro & Kroos will be missing the match. That will be a flood for Madrid. I'm a Madrid fan, no doubt I will place bet on Madrid to win but this will be hard for them with the young combination. 1st leg was disaster for them. But I believe PSG will have more harder time than they would expect in Santiago Bernabeu; with the comeback of Ultras Sur after a long time.

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Quote from: coco23 on March 07, 2022, 08:15:53 AM

Quote from: Raflesia on March 07, 2022, 07:27:04 AM

Quote from: Slow death on March 07, 2022, 06:27:45 AM

Bayern Munich will have difficulties once again when playing against Salzburg, Salzburg was an unstoppable team in the Austrian championship, they will be a big obstacle to Bayern Munich that this season has not been a team to win games constantly and has not managed to score many goals constantly

But Bayern Munich playing at Allianz is an advantage also in the second leg and the aggregate is still 1-1 it's clear to me Bayern Munich can beat Salzburg even though we know the Austrian team always makes it difficult for Bayern Munich in the first leg.
It's also interesting they will try to defend or score goals continuously but I think Bayern Munich can overcome this.

It remains my choice of Bayern Munich with a small chance.

It would be a huge surprise if Bayern gets eliminated tomorrow. Bayern has 1.2 odds to win after 90 minutes but the odds for the qualification for the next round are much clearer: Bayern 1.06 and Salzburg 9.0. I except a clear result for Bayern in this game. Something like a 2-0 or 3-1

But Bayern Munich is not that easy to get rid of. Precisely the big possibility is that Bayern will play more optimally in order to get a ticket to the next round. Their only chance is to beat Salzburg. Bayern is the team that will surprise Salzburg. The bet at 1.20 odds is very small, and the choice for Salzburg can indeed make us think twice.

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Quote from: coco23 on March 07, 2022, 08:15:53 AM

Quote from: Raflesia on March 07, 2022, 07:27:04 AM

Quote from: Slow death on March 07, 2022, 06:27:45 AM

Bayern Munich will have difficulties once again when playing against Salzburg, Salzburg was an unstoppable team in the Austrian championship, they will be a big obstacle to Bayern Munich that this season has not been a team to win games constantly and has not managed to score many goals constantly

But Bayern Munich playing at Allianz is an advantage also in the second leg and the aggregate is still 1-1 it's clear to me Bayern Munich can beat Salzburg even though we know the Austrian team always makes it difficult for Bayern Munich in the first leg.
It's also interesting they will try to defend or score goals continuously but I think Bayern Munich can overcome this.

It remains my choice of Bayern Munich with a small chance.

It would be a huge surprise if Bayern gets eliminated tomorrow. Bayern has 1.2 odds to win after 90 minutes but the odds for the qualification for the next round are much clearer: Bayern 1.06 and Salzburg 9.0. I except a clear result for Bayern in this game. Something like a 2-0 or 3-1

I just think that this odds discrepancy is an exaggeration, it's not like Bayern Munich were that extremely strong team from the past, look at their last games to see that they're not as strong as they were in the past, in the last game of bundesliga they drew. I'm a fan of Bayern Munich, I believe the game will be difficult, and anything can happen

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on March 07, 2022, 06:48:24 AM

Quote from: fiulpro on March 06, 2022, 11:05:06 AM

Watching the first game between Paris St German and Real Madrid I came away with the feeling Madrid lacked quality and talent. However, with the likes of luka Modric and Karim Benzema Madrid can change a game in an instant. At the bernabeu as well, the French team will have to make sure their defences are not deterred by the cacophony of the spanish fans. Look out for the super star duo of mbappe and messi to lye dormant until the moments ready. Casimero and Veratti to be booked for you betting fans . Also this week, man united v athletico madrid will be a tense battle of chances missed, both teams lack real quality to win the champions league; therefore each decision on the pitch will be analysed. Other than that, City will dominate lisbon at the emptyhad, slazburg try to upset bayern liverpool and inter will battle it out in anfield, i see no real upset here with liverpool in fine form.

I see no upset for the Bayern, Liverpool and City games. Those fixtures seems settled already. The fixture for the week is certainly better PSG and Real Madrid, since Madrid are home one would expect that the fans and playing in their own pitch would swing a thing or more for Madrid in the game.
All eyes will be on Mbappe and Messi but I think Neymar would be the one to cause Madrid havoc.

Actually, I think that maybe PSG might end up being hesitant whether to defend or to attack in this match because they have a lead. Even though it's not too comforting but they still do have a lead and I think Real Madrid will play this very attacking. But I don't know about PSG because with their squad they should not be afraid of anything but with their form, well, that's another story.

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Quote from: ahmia39 on March 07, 2022, 08:04:43 AM

Quote from: tulusikhlas on March 07, 2022, 07:12:35 AM

Manchester City are the most comfortable now, how not, they already have a 5 goal advantage which they created in the first meeting. And Sporting I see it's difficult to turn things around, even though Manchester City didn't play as impressive a game as in the first meeting, Sporting still won't be able to beat Manchester City. Yes Manchester City can now be more flexible to rotate their players.

Manchester City are too superior for Sporting, they currently have a very complete squad and of course they deserve to go all the way to the Final. I believe this year Pep Guardiola will win the Champions League title for the first time for Manchester City.

I won't agree that manchester city are superior i feel they just have confidence in their style of play and this has been Pep Guardiola secret althrough his coaching career, He is good in making his players believe they are the best. Sporting isn't a tough team for Man city that doesn't make them the best anyways but the stand better chance of winning the champions league if the keep the pace

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Quote from: Slow death on March 07, 2022, 08:00:27 AM

the game between Bayern and Liverpool are not decided yet, I'm a fan of both teams and even then I'm not so confident as to underestimate Inter and Salzburg. especially in the case of Salzburg they can still beat Bayern

Of course they are dubbed as a giant team, especially in Europe they both in Europe have a super elite reputation, I also imagine what will happen if Liverpool and Bayern meet in the Champions League, you could say they rarely meet on the pitch.

I'm sure that if Liverpool and Bayern were fixed in the Champions League final this time, a lot of people would be betting for both, it's a competitive match that could make bettors hot and cold.

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Quote from: coco23 on March 07, 2022, 08:15:53 AM

Quote from: Raflesia on March 07, 2022, 07:27:04 AM

Quote from: Slow death on March 07, 2022, 06:27:45 AM

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But Bayern Munich playing at Allianz is an advantage also in the second leg and the aggregate is still 1-1 it's clear to me Bayern Munich can beat Salzburg even though we know the Austrian team always makes it difficult for Bayern Munich in the first leg.
It's also interesting they will try to defend or score goals continuously but I think Bayern Munich can overcome this.

It remains my choice of Bayern Munich with a small chance.

It would be a huge surprise if Bayern gets eliminated tomorrow. Bayern has 1.2 odds to win after 90 minutes but the odds for the qualification for the next round are much clearer: Bayern 1.06 and Salzburg 9.0. I except a clear result for Bayern in this game. Something like a 2-0 or 3-1

Yes, but I do not believe that Bayern Munich will be eliminated. People will be surprised a lot if Bayern don't qualify.
I've set the odds to 1.20 on Stake.com judging my prediction to be 2-0 at Allianz.
In the same match I chose Liverpool at Anfield even though I don't know whether Inter Milan will come back or not, this will make it difficult for Inter.

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Quote from: Raflesia on March 07, 2022, 07:27:04 AM

Quote from: Slow death on March 07, 2022, 06:27:45 AM

Bayern Munich will have difficulties once again when playing against Salzburg, Salzburg was an unstoppable team in the Austrian championship, they will be a big obstacle to Bayern Munich that this season has not been a team to win games constantly and has not managed to score many goals constantly

But Bayern Munich playing at Allianz is an advantage also in the second leg and the aggregate is still 1-1 it's clear to me Bayern Munich can beat Salzburg even though we know the Austrian team always makes it difficult for Bayern Munich in the first leg.
It's also interesting they will try to defend or score goals continuously but I think Bayern Munich can overcome this.

It remains my choice of Bayern Munich with a small chance.

It would be a huge surprise if Bayern gets eliminated tomorrow. Bayern has 1.2 odds to win after 90 minutes but the odds for the qualification for the next round are much clearer: Bayern 1.06 and Salzburg 9.0. I except a clear result for Bayern in this game. Something like a 2-0 or 3-1

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on March 07, 2022, 07:12:35 AM

Manchester City are the most comfortable now, how not, they already have a 5 goal advantage which they created in the first meeting. And Sporting I see it's difficult to turn things around, even though Manchester City didn't play as impressive a game as in the first meeting, Sporting still won't be able to beat Manchester City. Yes Manchester City can now be more flexible to rotate their players.

Manchester City are too superior for Sporting, they currently have a very complete squad and of course they deserve to go all the way to the Final. I believe this year Pep Guardiola will win the Champions League title for the first time for Manchester City.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on March 07, 2022, 06:32:58 AM

Bookmakers are not giving even any chance for Salzburg as it seems. Bayern Munich have an odd around 1.15 while Salzburg are having around 15 now. And I understand why they are underestimating Salzburg too. Because Bayern Munich didn't show their real strength against Salzburg. They just wanted to keep it for the second leg.

honestly I don't understand why there is such a disparity in the odds? Is there any catastrophic news on the Salzburg side that I'm not aware of? Salzburg are not too weak to be underestimated and Bayern Munich are not as strong as they were in previous seasons, so I don't understand what bookmakers are thinking when they put this disparity in the odds

Quote from: Pokapoka124 on March 07, 2022, 06:48:24 AM

Quote from: fiulpro on March 06, 2022, 11:05:06 AM

Watching the first game between Paris St German and Real Madrid I came away with the feeling Madrid lacked quality and talent. However, with the likes of luka Modric and Karim Benzema Madrid can change a game in an instant. At the bernabeu as well, the French team will have to make sure their defences are not deterred by the cacophony of the spanish fans. Look out for the super star duo of mbappe and messi to lye dormant until the moments ready. Casimero and Veratti to be booked for you betting fans . Also this week, man united v athletico madrid will be a tense battle of chances missed, both teams lack real quality to win the champions league; therefore each decision on the pitch will be analysed. Other than that, City will dominate lisbon at the emptyhad, slazburg try to upset bayern liverpool and inter will battle it out in anfield, i see no real upset here with liverpool in fine form.

I see no upset for the Bayern, Liverpool and City games. Those fixtures seems settled already. The fixture for the week is certainly better PSG and Real Madrid, since Madrid are home one would expect that the fans and playing in their own pitch would swing a thing or more for Madrid in the game.
All eyes will be on Mbappe and Messi but I think Neymar would be the one to cause Madrid havoc.

the game between Bayern and Liverpool are not decided yet, I'm a fan of both teams and even then I'm not so confident as to underestimate Inter and Salzburg. especially in the case of Salzburg they can still beat Bayern

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I dont see so many people here talking about of the injury of Ronaldo.
Seems like they save him for the UCL game against Atletico, if Cristiano dont play, i think Manchester United its out of the contest.
The manchester seem to play good whitout him , but in this kind of games you need the UCL man and his goals, more against the Atletico.

It was not only the injury factor that overshadowed the players, one of which was Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe they wanted to go further in the UCL competition considering that Manchester United only drew in the first leg at the Vicente Calderon, moreover Atlético Madrid is a Spanish giant that Cristiano Ronaldo and his friends should be wary of considering that Atletico Madrid often surprises them in their away matches.one of which is in the BBVA league match against Real Betis, maybe it can be a motivation when they meet Manchester United in old Trafford, thus making Rangnick rest his players to face Atletico Madrid

if only Ronaldo wasn't injured, but still on the bench against his city rivals and trying to save him for the match against Atletico Madrid this would be a joke! The Manchester derby is always interesting and tight. Both clubs from the city of Manchester always want to appear to be the rulers of derby matches. So I don't agree that Ralf's tactics let the derby match and chooses to save players for the game against ATM.

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Quote from: Slow death on March 07, 2022, 06:27:45 AM

Bayern Munich will have difficulties once again when playing against Salzburg, Salzburg was an unstoppable team in the Austrian championship, they will be a big obstacle to Bayern Munich that this season has not been a team to win games constantly and has not managed to score many goals constantly

But Bayern Munich playing at Allianz is an advantage also in the second leg and the aggregate is still 1-1 it's clear to me Bayern Munich can beat Salzburg even though we know the Austrian team always makes it difficult for Bayern Munich in the first leg.
It's also interesting they will try to defend or score goals continuously but I think Bayern Munich can overcome this.

It remains my choice of Bayern Munich with a small chance.

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Manchester City are the most comfortable now, how not, they already have a 5 goal advantage which they created in the first meeting. And Sporting I see it's difficult to turn things around, even though Manchester City didn't play as impressive a game as in the first meeting, Sporting still won't be able to beat Manchester City. Yes Manchester City can now be more flexible to rotate their players.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on March 07, 2022, 06:25:16 AM

Quote from: darxiaomi on March 06, 2022, 05:52:17 PM

I dont see so many people here talking about of the injury of Ronaldo.
Seems like they save him for the UCL game against Atletico, if Cristiano dont play, i think Manchester United its out of the contest.
The manchester seem to play good whitout him , but in this kind of games you need the UCL man and his goals, more against the Atletico.

If christiano Ronaldo don't play the game against atletico it may really affect Manchester united, I don't think if Manchester will easily win the game. Ronaldo been Manchester united is affect the team positively. Do not if the injury he is having will keep him long not to participate in to matches around the corner.

without the presence of two good strikers from MU (Cristiano and Cavani) it is impossible for MU to win from ATM in the 2nd leg later

losing to man city is very painful for loyal MU fans, if rangnick doesn't fix it then it will be difficult for MU to advance to the next UCL round

for UCL this season my favorite champion is man city

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 06, 2022, 11:05:06 AM

Watching the first game between Paris St German and Real Madrid I came away with the feeling Madrid lacked quality and talent. However, with the likes of luka Modric and Karim Benzema Madrid can change a game in an instant. At the bernabeu as well, the French team will have to make sure their defences are not deterred by the cacophony of the spanish fans. Look out for the super star duo of mbappe and messi to lye dormant until the moments ready. Casimero and Veratti to be booked for you betting fans . Also this week, man united v athletico madrid will be a tense battle of chances missed, both teams lack real quality to win the champions league; therefore each decision on the pitch will be analysed. Other than that, City will dominate lisbon at the emptyhad, slazburg try to upset bayern liverpool and inter will battle it out in anfield, i see no real upset here with liverpool in fine form.

I see no upset for the Bayern, Liverpool and City games. Those fixtures seems settled already. The fixture for the week is certainly better PSG and Real Madrid, since Madrid are home one would expect that the fans and playing in their own pitch would swing a thing or more for Madrid in the game.
All eyes will be on Mbappe and Messi but I think Neymar would be the one to cause Madrid havoc.

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Bayern Munich will try to get a win from Salzburg in order to qualify for the next round. Yes they managed to be held to a draw in the first meeting, a result that I did not predict.
But in this second leg I don't think they will miss this, although Bayern Munich's recent form has been unstable, I still believe they will be able to win in 90 minutes of the game.

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