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November 01, 2020, 06:42:36 PM
~I believe Pirlo can be a great coach, we give Pirlo the opportunity this season to learn.
I also think the same, Pirlo has a big potential to be a great coach in the future. Sure, he needs time to learn and take experiences. Once you become a coach, it is quite different than being a player. A coach should know more complex things in a match, he must master the strategy and have the responsibility to rise up the motivation of all players (before and during the match). Also, he must decide which players to put as the starters and which ones to be substituted players. A coach also needs to learn how to get the right solution for unexpected situations happening during the match.
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November 01, 2020, 05:36:30 PM
It was a mistake and I believe Leipzig knows what their weakness is in order to improve for the upcoming matches. Why weren't people surprised with a sudden change in the spirit of MU. They are really bad right now although MU is one of the richest teams on this planet.

Don't underestimate Leipzig. Anything can happen in football. Moreover, they have been considered a strong team. They surely know how to defeat or at least find a draw match with PSG

I agree with you, Leipzig can win against PSG, people react like this after big loses, but in reality PSG is not playing any special football this season and Leipzig has a young squad that can one match play awesome and then underperform inn the next one.

I would not write them off yet for sure.
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November 01, 2020, 03:25:10 PM
in the game manunited vs. rb leipzig (5-0) you can see very clearly how important international experience is in such games.
rb leipzig is a very strong national team and had no chance to win against the english team yesterday.
it will be very difficult for leipzig to finish the group phase under the first two places... Undecided
Man United have long experience in international play against Rb Leipzig like it was very easy for ManUTD yesterday I don't know why Leipzig's performances are so bad they should be stronger which I know in the Bundesliga.
Competing with PSG, of course, will be very difficult where this group phase has only 2 matches left so as much as possible you have to win between PSG and Leipzig if you want to escape one of them.
It was a mistake and I believe Leipzig knows what their weakness is in order to improve for the upcoming matches. Why weren't people surprised with a sudden change in the spirit of MU. They are really bad right now although MU is one of the richest teams on this planet.

Don't underestimate Leipzig. Anything can happen in football. Moreover, they have been considered a strong team. They surely know how to defeat or at least find a draw match with PSG
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November 01, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
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Ahead of Ronaldinho, Shevchenko & Co.
Most goals after 10 games: Haaland breaks Champions League record
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/most-goals-after-10-games-haaland-breaks-champions-league-record/view/news/373736

in his tenth game in the ucl, the 20-year-old has now scored 12 goals, more than any other player at the same stage of his career
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October 31, 2020, 02:51:38 AM
He was a legendary player but that doesn't mean he's a good coach, too. And as a coach he has no experience (except some matches for the U23) and therefore hasn't  any record of success.
Yes, people state Pirlo potentially becomes a good coach because he has a great experience once he was a player. Also, he was a midfielder who basically plans the strategy for the team to attack or defend (besides the coach), so I think people have reasons to claim him to be a good coach. But yes I agree with you if now he isn't a good coach yet. However, you also can't claim him as a bad coach as well. He just started his career as the coach of a big team, he needs time to show his skills or his potential. 


I agree that Pirlo needs time to show his potential as a coach, because Pirlo's lack is experience. He needs this season to learn to bring out
his skills in making a good strategy for Juventus, therefore do not get your hopes up that Juventus will win many trophies this season.
Because Pirlo needs to adapt first, but I believe Pirlo can be a great coach, we give Pirlo the opportunity this season to learn.

He is giving a lot of chances to younger players,Juventus was always an old team and that team gaved results by winning 8th scudetos in a row,but i think this is the year Juve wont win it,Pirlo has no experience and i think his tactics might not bring anything Juventus good this season.
They need more new good players,no good transfer this summer transfer window
It serves Juventus right for selling off Moise Kean who gave PSG a brace & Morata got nothing less than a hat trick of canceled goals....what a wack player!!
Ronaldo was highly missed, due to covid19. Presently now, he's covid19 free. Juventus next match, he will be available
Barca also gets to break the record in Turin on their first win
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October 30, 2020, 05:45:13 PM
He was a legendary player but that doesn't mean he's a good coach, too. And as a coach he has no experience (except some matches for the U23) and therefore hasn't  any record of success.
Yes, people state Pirlo potentially becomes a good coach because he has a great experience once he was a player. Also, he was a midfielder who basically plans the strategy for the team to attack or defend (besides the coach), so I think people have reasons to claim him to be a good coach. But yes I agree with you if now he isn't a good coach yet. However, you also can't claim him as a bad coach as well. He just started his career as the coach of a big team, he needs time to show his skills or his potential. 


I agree that Pirlo needs time to show his potential as a coach, because Pirlo's lack is experience. He needs this season to learn to bring out
his skills in making a good strategy for Juventus, therefore do not get your hopes up that Juventus will win many trophies this season.
Because Pirlo needs to adapt first, but I believe Pirlo can be a great coach, we give Pirlo the opportunity this season to learn.

He is giving a lot of chances to younger players,Juventus was always an old team and that team gaved results by winning 8th scudetos in a row,but i think this is the year Juve wont win it,Pirlo has no experience and i think his tactics might not bring anything Juventus good this season.
They need more new good players,no good transfer this summer transfer window
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October 30, 2020, 05:24:19 PM
He was a legendary player but that doesn't mean he's a good coach, too. And as a coach he has no experience (except some matches for the U23) and therefore hasn't  any record of success.
Yes, people state Pirlo potentially becomes a good coach because he has a great experience once he was a player. Also, he was a midfielder who basically plans the strategy for the team to attack or defend (besides the coach), so I think people have reasons to claim him to be a good coach. But yes I agree with you if now he isn't a good coach yet. However, you also can't claim him as a bad coach as well. He just started his career as the coach of a big team, he needs time to show his skills or his potential. 


I agree that Pirlo needs time to show his potential as a coach, because Pirlo's lack is experience. He needs this season to learn to bring out
his skills in making a good strategy for Juventus, therefore do not get your hopes up that Juventus will win many trophies this season.
Because Pirlo needs to adapt first, but I believe Pirlo can be a great coach, we give Pirlo the opportunity this season to learn.
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October 30, 2020, 04:59:06 PM
He was a legendary player but that doesn't mean he's a good coach, too. And as a coach he has no experience (except some matches for the U23) and therefore hasn't  any record of success.
Yes, people state Pirlo potentially becomes a good coach because he has a great experience once he was a player. Also, he was a midfielder who basically plans the strategy for the team to attack or defend (besides the coach), so I think people have reasons to claim him to be a good coach. But yes I agree with you if now he isn't a good coach yet. However, you also can't claim him as a bad coach as well. He just started his career as the coach of a big team, he needs time to show his skills or his potential. 
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October 30, 2020, 03:22:53 PM

Pirlo need time to manage clubs like Juventus, I think his decision to accept Juventus offer is bad decision. Gattuso, Seedorf and Inzaghi starting from Milan Primavera, they are also failed managed AC Milan. Gattuso not bad enough but his decision to cut their contracts is a good decision, because i think he is thinking if he doesn't have capability to manage Milan. Pirlo vs Koeman, like Senior and Newbie, this match results not just because Juventus tired but also Koeman have better strategy also better team players.

Honestly i think isnt an Coach issue.. they seem out of shape almost tired, so it's probably an athletic training problem (obviously in my opinion).
The coach is good person for me, they need to recover the good shape.

I remember in the days of Del Piero there was a very good physical trainer.. but they fall in the dust because use creatina on DelPiero..

The atheltic coach is part of the training staff  .... And how could you decide that Pirlo is a good coach? He was a legendary player but that doesn't mean he's a good coach, too. And as a coach he has no experience (except some matches for the U23) and therefore hasn't  any record of success. I wasn't really a fan when they made him coach. They should have given him some time to get experience before they threw him in at the deep end.
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October 30, 2020, 02:53:45 AM

Pirlo need time to manage clubs like Juventus, I think his decision to accept Juventus offer is bad decision. Gattuso, Seedorf and Inzaghi starting from Milan Primavera, they are also failed managed AC Milan. Gattuso not bad enough but his decision to cut their contracts is a good decision, because i think he is thinking if he doesn't have capability to manage Milan. Pirlo vs Koeman, like Senior and Newbie, this match results not just because Juventus tired but also Koeman have better strategy also better team players.

Honestly i think isnt an Coach issue.. they seem out of shape almost tired, so it's probably an athletic training problem (obviously in my opinion).
The coach is good person for me, they need to recover the good shape.

I remember in the days of Del Piero there was a very good physical trainer.. but they fall in the dust because use creatina on DelPiero..
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October 29, 2020, 09:18:18 PM
Most of those players are bought off rendering the underdogs weaker for the next season. I don't think Leipzig will even manage to go past group stages.
That's the thing, it's always up to the players and the clubs at times. They are at liberty to accept transfer offers or not. It's always certain that these offers for top and promising players of a mid tier team are always sort out and this teams blindly sells them off, maybe it's just a business of staying in the leagues for them, rather than contesting for the trophy. That's how far their dreams have been shattered and worst of it all, the players always seem to see a better chance at decorating their wall of fame with won trophies with big teams so, they've just got to live.

On the part of Liepzig, I believe your saying that following there recent 5-0 lose to Manchester United. I see Manchester United did it this time but then, it's enough to make Liepzig want to do better. Let's keep watch.
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October 29, 2020, 06:56:41 PM

They were UCL semifinalist last season tho.
They sold some good players like T. Werner. It can be a reason too.
We will see it more clear on the matchday 3 next week. Leipzig vs PSG will be a good match to watch.
I hope they are not a one-season-wonder team (UCL edition)  Grin
This kind of thing happen almost every season. Remember Monaco and Ajax?
Whenever underdogs reach semi-finals or finals, there always those top players that impress European top clubs and as soon as the transfer market begins. Most of those players are bought off rendering the underdogs weaker for the next season. I don't think Leipzig will even manage to go past group stages.
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October 29, 2020, 05:55:41 PM
Pirlo need time to manage clubs like Juventus, I think his decision to accept Juventus offer is bad decision.
Indeed, he needs time to manage Juventus. Moreover, he is not an experienced coach, he is an experienced player. It has many differences, so even Pirlo is good as a player, it doesn't guarantee he can be easy to be a good coach. It should take time and big efforts.

Pirlo vs Koeman, like Senior and Newbie, ~
Who is the Senior one? Koeman, right?  Cheesy
Check again your sentence, seems to have a little mistake there.
Reading it, I interpret Pirlo is the senior one.
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October 29, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
I was expecting a bit more from Juventus defense, they were too shy and they just tried to play carefully not to get scored and not playmake, usually juventus has a decent passer and aggressive defense, this wasn't that day. Even the red card Demiral got was from 2 wrong moves and not representative of how he played, plus he is a young defender kid who got his first red card, these things will happen.

This is not a great time for Juve's defence.

The strongest left/back-wing Alex Sandro is broken.
Chiellini is broken and old.
DeLigt is broken, operation in his shoulder is out since August.
Bonucci played with a muscolar problem.

About the rest.

Arthur is still a work in progress
CR7 is Covid Positive

Dybala was the 1st game after 3 months...

Things can go only better.
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October 29, 2020, 03:15:38 PM

Sorry mate, Barcelona played better than Juventus last night. Of course it's not fun about your loss, but it's good that you admit that Barcelona are better in that game. Wink

Yeah, Barcelona played better and well: it was a very fun game in my view, the ticket price would have been well repaid.
I saw a tired Juventus, maybe they are not athletically prepared enough?

it is an underestimated thing, but very important (atletic preparation)
I wagered on Juventus as well because I saw the odds were too good to pass up plus I imagined not having any president and all that turmoil would have caused Barcelona not to be able to focus on the game itself as well, however it may have backfired and actually made them play better. The odds were too good like 2.8 or so in some places for Juventus and I believed it was good enough to wager and I lost but it was totally worth it.

I was expecting a bit more from Juventus defense, they were too shy and they just tried to play carefully not to get scored and not playmake, usually juventus has a decent passer and aggressive defense, this wasn't that day. Even the red card Demiral got was from 2 wrong moves and not representative of how he played, plus he is a young defender kid who got his first red card, these things will happen.
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October 29, 2020, 11:22:43 AM
Great wins yesterday  Grin what a performance from Rashford, only second (first was Ole) United player who scored hattrick as a sub

Ole scored a quattrick actually. He needs to play himself on fifa to score 4 goals as a substitute like ole lol.

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The 5:0 between Manchester and Leipzig was the highest defeat for Leipzig in 11 years!

And that match was the first home-win for United this season.

I agree that Manchester United's experience in international games is indeed better than RB Leipzig, so a big 5-0 victory deserves very much for Manchester United. Moreover, the appearance of Marcus Rashford is at his best, scoring a hattrick in the final 15 minutes of the second half was simply incredible. RB Leipzig will indeed find it difficult to pass the group phase, must fight for a place with Paris Saint-Germain who managed to win against Istanbul Basaksehir. It is very interesting competition in the Group H champions league.

They were UCL semifinalist last season tho.
They sold some good players like T. Werner. It can be a reason too.
We will see it more clear on the matchday 3 next week. Leipzig vs PSG will be a good match to watch.
I hope they are not a one-season-wonder team (UCL edition)  Grin
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October 29, 2020, 11:19:36 AM
in the game manunited vs. rb leipzig (5-0) you can see very clearly how important international experience is in such games.
rb leipzig is a very strong national team and had no chance to win against the english team yesterday.
it will be very difficult for leipzig to finish the group phase under the first two places... Undecided
Man United have long experience in international play against Rb Leipzig like it was very easy for ManUTD yesterday I don't know why Leipzig's performances are so bad they should be stronger which I know in the Bundesliga.
Competing with PSG, of course, will be very difficult where this group phase has only 2 matches left so as much as possible you have to win between PSG and Leipzig if you want to escape one of them.

I had BTTS in Man Utd vs RB Leipzig. After the 1st half I thought that Leipzig will continue display like in first half and will score a goal but they totally messed up apart in second half and conceded so many goals. United on other hand displayed good play yesterday and they deserved the win. At the time of placing bet it was United who I was worried about scoring but it was quite the opposite.  Undecided
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October 29, 2020, 11:12:30 AM
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Juventus and to make matter worst Ronaldo is out of the match, fielding Ronaldo will have make a difference.
I agree with you, looking at the game, Juve made seven shot on goal but they couldn't score just one goal. Juve's finishing wasn't great that day. Especially if you see the four matches that took place without Ronaldo, they only won once. I think they need Ronaldo right away.
I think it is natural for big clubs to have difficulty scoring a lot of goals when the executor cannot participate in the match, it will make the team only be able to apply defense because some of his friends are trained according to his expertise, while Ronaldo has been trained as the best executor then there is no other way than to deffend, even though it tried to attract more goals as usual when there ronaldo in match. I hope Ronaldo can recover quickly and participate in the match again.

Juventus has not been playing great for some years in European level. They haven't been great in the serie A this season. And football is not a one man game for Ronaldo to outperform Messi like he did when he was in Real Madrid. It's a team sport and Barcelona at the moment clearly is a stronger team than what Juventus is. Juventus would still qualify for the next round as the second team on the table.
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October 29, 2020, 10:38:17 AM
in the game manunited vs. rb leipzig (5-0) you can see very clearly how important international experience is in such games.
rb leipzig is a very strong national team and had no chance to win against the english team yesterday.
it will be very difficult for leipzig to finish the group phase under the first two places... Undecided
Man United have long experience in international play against Rb Leipzig like it was very easy for ManUTD yesterday I don't know why Leipzig's performances are so bad they should be stronger which I know in the Bundesliga.
Competing with PSG, of course, will be very difficult where this group phase has only 2 matches left so as much as possible you have to win between PSG and Leipzig if you want to escape one of them.
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October 29, 2020, 10:23:21 AM
in the game manunited vs. rb leipzig (5-0) you can see very clearly how important international experience is in such games.
rb leipzig is a very strong national team and had no chance to win against the english team yesterday.
it will be very difficult for leipzig to finish the group phase under the first two places... Undecided

I agree that Manchester United's experience in international games is indeed better than RB Leipzig, so a big 5-0 victory deserves very much
for Manchester United. Moreover, the appearance of Marcus Rashford is at his best, scoring a hattrick in the final 15 minutes of the second half
was simply incredible. RB Leipzig will indeed find it difficult to pass the group phase, must fight for a place with Paris Saint-Germain who managed
to win against Istanbul Basaksehir. It is very interesting competition in the Group H champions league.
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