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legendary
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October 29, 2020, 10:16:48 AM

Sorry mate, Barcelona played better than Juventus last night. Of course it's not fun about your loss, but it's good that you admit that Barcelona are better in that game. Wink

Yeah, Barcelona played better and well: it was a very fun game in my view, the ticket price would have been well repaid.
I saw a tired Juventus, maybe they are not athletically prepared enough?

it is an underestimated thing, but very important (atletic preparation)
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October 29, 2020, 09:59:04 AM
in the game manunited vs. rb leipzig (5-0) you can see very clearly how important international experience is in such games.
rb leipzig is a very strong national team and had no chance to win against the english team yesterday.
it will be very difficult for leipzig to finish the group phase under the first two places... Undecided
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October 29, 2020, 09:36:38 AM
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Juventus and to make matter worst Ronaldo is out of the match, fielding Ronaldo will have make a difference.
I agree with you, looking at the game, Juve made seven shot on goal but they couldn't score just one goal. Juve's finishing wasn't great that day. Especially if you see the four matches that took place without Ronaldo, they only won once. I think they need Ronaldo right away.
I think it is natural for big clubs to have difficulty scoring a lot of goals when the executor cannot participate in the match, it will make the team only be able to apply defense because some of his friends are trained according to his expertise, while Ronaldo has been trained as the best executor then there is no other way than to deffend, even though it tried to attract more goals as usual when there ronaldo in match. I hope Ronaldo can recover quickly and participate in the match again.
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October 29, 2020, 09:29:34 AM
That's was a sad story for Juventus as they lost their today's match against Barcelona and I'm sure Ronaldo won't be happy about the game result.
Yeah, it is a sad day but it must be accepted. But something that I am surprised about the match is no shots on target for Juventus at that match. They totally made 10 shots and no one on target, how bad the performance of the strikers. Yep, Ronaldo mustn't be happy about that, but he cannot do something as he is quarantined and undergoing treatment after the positive test.
It understandable but Juventus not having on target was the reason I think Ronaldo would have make a difference if not for his health status.

Do you think Juventus would have won today's game if Ronaldo was not diagnosed with Covid 19? 
No one knows mate. But I am pretty sure that at least they will have shot on target. Ronaldo is a player that knows very well about the Barca defense, so he must do effective efforts to try making goals.

Ronaldo knowing how to handle the Barcelona defense and the rivalry issue between him and Messi was the reason why I ask the question but if Ronaldo is in that match Juventus have a chance to score a single goal.
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October 29, 2020, 09:11:58 AM
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Juventus and to make matter worst Ronaldo is out of the match, fielding Ronaldo will have make a difference.
I agree with you, looking at the game, Juve made seven shot on goal but they couldn't score just one goal. Juve's finishing wasn't great that day. Especially if you see the four matches that took place without Ronaldo, they only won once. I think they need Ronaldo right away.
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October 29, 2020, 08:38:39 AM
On a different note, Bayern still looks like favorites again this season,

One of the favourites to win the Champions League but I was expecting Juventus and Barcelona to gets there as well as all teams from the Premier League. I wasnt that convinced because lewandowski hasnt score any goal yet after two Champions League game . He scored 15 goals last Champions League so unless he pull the same stunt as last season, Bayern Munich is definitely not the absolute favourite for Champions League

I don't think it's possible for Pirlo to even be fired this season, no matter what happens to Juve in the UCL and even in seria A, the club when they signed Pirlo were aware he's not coming to deliver instant success to Juventus, if they had signed a more established manager, then the case may be a little bit different and there would have been pressure on the manager to deliver immediately

Its expected for Juventus to turn into flop because Ronaldo wasnt playing. It could be another story if Ronaldo is back into the game though
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October 29, 2020, 08:37:30 AM
I think this is the first test for Pirlo as a manager on a big stage like UCL.
First but a big test.

If i'm not wrong, Zidane starting from Real Madrid reserves team before he managed Madrid main squad. He still have a time to learn how to manage team before promoting as head coach for main squad.
You are right about Zidane. Zizou managed the Real Madrid reserved team and he tried to give opportunities to his children. After years and seasons, Zizou's children did not show their ability to become good players (not say become legendary player as Zizou). They failed to get positions in squads of clubs they are playing for.

Right, it's a start and I think the fault isn't just about the coach because the performance of the players has to be taken care of too, just look at other teams with great coaches who are more senior doesn't even look okay. In every match there will always be wins and losses, besides that the absence of CR7 and Alex Sandro also affects the team's performance to play better. In contrast to Barcelona, although Coutinho and Pique don't play but Barcelona have second tier players who are also good in position. With that, this defeat is natural I guess.
CR7 is a key player of Juventus but he is getting older and older. I see drama that CR7 will leave Turin after this season. Pirlo and Juventus need to have plans without the appearance of CR7. Juventus performance (good or bad) is result from their squad, not only from Pirlo or from CR7.
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October 29, 2020, 08:30:40 AM
It is too soon to say Pirlo decided wrong or he is a bad coach. Let's see how Pirlo can manage the team and protect his job this season. I hope Pirlo won't be fired.
I don't think it's possible for Pirlo to even be fired this season, no matter what happens to Juve in the UCL and even in seria A, the club when they signed Pirlo were aware he's not coming to deliver instant success to Juventus, if they had signed a more established manager, then the case may be a little bit different and there would have been pressure on the manager to deliver immediately.

On a different note, Bayern still looks like favorites again this season, I can't just see the team that can beat them just yet, Flick and his boys could dominate and win this trophy back to back like Zidane did with Real Madrid, except other big teams really improve, especially in the knock out stages, then this scenario could happen. Pep is also under pressure to win the UCL with City this season, he's in his final year of his contract, I think it won't be renewed if he fails again in the UCL this season.
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October 29, 2020, 08:22:48 AM
Zidane can get success and Pirlo or other young coaches can. Surely that not many young coaches can get success in early of their career. It is about the time when they accept challenge.
If i'm not wrong, Zidane starting from Real Madrid reserves team before he managed Madrid main squad. He still have a time to learn how to manage team before promoting as head coach for main squad.

About giving a time, yes I believe it, maybe next season or few season after he can be a good coach with a lot of throphy. because i believe "practice makes perfect". But, the bad things in my view is, he managed main squad before have enough experience with Juventus U23.
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October 29, 2020, 08:01:41 AM
I bet on Juventus (because i'm Italian guy) and i lost.. is a game.

Oh, that is the reason why you bet on Juventus? But sometimes it is difficult to bet against its "country".
I am happy that I didn't bet the goal difference between Manchester - Leipzig. The 5:0 between Manchester and Leipzig was the highest defeat for Leipzig in 11 years!
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October 29, 2020, 07:50:25 AM
Pirlo need time to manage clubs like Juventus, I think his decision to accept Juventus offer is bad decision. Gattuso, Seedorf and Inzaghi starting from Milan Primavera, they are also failed managed AC Milan. Gattuso not bad enough but his decision to cut their contracts is a good decision, because i think he is thinking if he doesn't have capability to manage Milan. Pirlo vs Koeman, like Senior and Newbie, this match results not just because Juventus tired but also Koeman have better strategy also better team players.
There are challenges and there are challange-accepted coaches. Zidane can get success and Pirlo or other young coaches can. Surely that not many young coaches can get success in early of their career. It is about the time when they accept challenge. Pirlo chose Juventus when their squad have some old players. They have some good transfers with young players but those players need time to get familiar with Juventus and Pirlo.

It is too soon to say Pirlo decided wrong or he is a bad coach. Let's see how Pirlo can manage the team and protect his job this season. I hope Pirlo won't be fired.
I think this is the first test for Pirlo as a manager on a big stage like UCL. he hasn't got that experience yet I believe with time and more exposure he will improve on career, just like when Zidane first stinct with Madrid it's left to Juventus management to give more chance to tutor the team.
Barcelona coming into that game after suffering a defeat against Madrid in Laliga will make things difficult for Juventus and to make matter worst Ronaldo is out of the match, fielding Ronaldo will have make a difference.
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October 29, 2020, 07:36:56 AM
Pirlo need time to manage clubs like Juventus, I think his decision to accept Juventus offer is bad decision. Gattuso, Seedorf and Inzaghi starting from Milan Primavera, they are also failed managed AC Milan. Gattuso not bad enough but his decision to cut their contracts is a good decision, because i think he is thinking if he doesn't have capability to manage Milan. Pirlo vs Koeman, like Senior and Newbie, this match results not just because Juventus tired but also Koeman have better strategy also better team players.
There are challenges and there are challange-accepted coaches. Zidane can get success and Pirlo or other young coaches can. Surely that not many young coaches can get success in early of their career. It is about the time when they accept challenge. Pirlo chose Juventus when their squad have some old players. They have some good transfers with young players but those players need time to get familiar with Juventus and Pirlo.

It is too soon to say Pirlo decided wrong or he is a bad coach. Let's see how Pirlo can manage the team and protect his job this season. I hope Pirlo won't be fired.
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hmph..
October 29, 2020, 07:27:54 AM
I bet on Juventus (because i'm Italian guy) and i lost.. is a game.
Pirlo need time to manage clubs like Juventus, I think his decision to accept Juventus offer is bad decision. Gattuso, Seedorf and Inzaghi starting from Milan Primavera, they are also failed managed AC Milan. Gattuso not bad enough but his decision to cut their contracts is a good decision, because i think he is thinking if he doesn't have capability to manage Milan. Pirlo vs Koeman, like Senior and Newbie, this match results not just because Juventus tired but also Koeman have better strategy also better team players.
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October 29, 2020, 07:09:10 AM
Yes, Juventus seem tired and not in good shape.
Barcellona play good, like other matches.
Of course it's nice when Barcelona win the match, they look good even though they were very bad before when they lost to Madrid. I don't think they were any better than before before the game started, but the final result and the course of the game say something else. They are good and capable of winning game.

I bet on Juventus (because i'm Italian guy) and i lost.. is a game.
Sorry mate, Barcelona played better than Juventus last night. Of course it's not fun about your loss, but it's good that you admit that Barcelona are better in that game. Wink
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October 29, 2020, 05:20:54 AM
Yes, Juventus seem tired and not in good shape.
Barcellona play good, like other matches.

I bet on Juventus (because i'm Italian guy) and i lost.. is a game.
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October 29, 2020, 03:53:56 AM
Barcelona deserved to win: I bet on Juventus winning and lost, very disappointing game by the bianconeri.

I thought Juve would win, too, even without Ronaldo. With all the chaos at Barcelona and the loss of some good players, and Messi being kept there against his will, and against the backdrop of that disastrous Bayern result last season, it's easy to see them as a team in freefall that has no chance of competing against the best teams in Europe... but that's clearly not the case, even when they are poor there is still a strong team there.

I can say that Juventus this season is not as strong as last season. They made some bad transfers imo, they let Pjanic and Douglas Costa go to other clubs but they did not get new players with equal skills. Especially Pjanic, he was the main actor of Juventus who control the game play as a midfielder but now Juventus has no player as good as him to control their game. Missing Ronaldo make the situation even worst, he is someone who can motivate their teammate, who push their teammate's spirit when they are down but there was no one who could act like him. On the other side, even though Barcelona also has some internal problem but they still have many good players compared to Juventus.
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October 29, 2020, 03:52:37 AM
Barcelona deserved to win: I bet on Juventus winning and lost, very disappointing game by the bianconeri.

I thought Juve would win, too, even without Ronaldo. With all the chaos at Barcelona and the loss of some good players, and Messi being kept there against his will, and against the backdrop of that disastrous Bayern result last season, it's easy to see them as a team in freefall that has no chance of competing against the best teams in Europe... but that's clearly not the case, even when they are poor there is still a strong team there.
Actually Barcelona more dominance than Juventus and win with good score 0-2, I think Alvaro Moratta have bad day last night after The referee disallowed three goals for being caught offside. Var give bad result for Juventus and get lucky for Barcelona, I think Juventus have good playing with created many attempt than Barcelona just have good chance when Antoine Griezmann's shot still hit the Juventus crossbar which was escorted by Wojciech Szczęsny. Give warning for Andrea Pirlo because he begin match for Juventus with bad result after draw with Helas Verona and have lost with Barcelona.
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October 29, 2020, 03:39:24 AM
Barcelona deserved to win: I bet on Juventus winning and lost, very disappointing game by the bianconeri.

I thought Juve would win, too, even without Ronaldo. With all the chaos at Barcelona and the loss of some good players, and Messi being kept there against his will, and against the backdrop of that disastrous Bayern result last season, it's easy to see them as a team in freefall that has no chance of competing against the best teams in Europe... but that's clearly not the case, even when they are poor there is still a strong team there.
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October 29, 2020, 03:33:13 AM
Who else thinks VAR in Champions League is actually not so annoying? I mean yes you can see as what happened Morata's hattrick was cancelled (poor guy) but I don't think anyone would complain, unlike EPL where every week a manager has a complaint (even when it supported his team).

Now why can't English refs just be consistent like this?

It made me sad that Morata's goals were cancelled. But I don't think VAR is guilty here. I like VAR very much because it prevents unfair things from being happened. If it weren't for VAR, Juventus would be the winner yesterday and it wouldn't be fair.
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October 29, 2020, 03:18:11 AM
Who else thinks VAR in Champions League is actually not so annoying? I mean yes you can see as what happened Morata's hattrick was cancelled (poor guy) but I don't think anyone would complain, unlike EPL where every week a manager has a complaint (even when it supported his team).

Now why can't English refs just be consistent like this?
With all the technology available in the world they should go as far as implementing some automatic goal, foul, offside checks. It is extremely annoying to have to wait for a VAR response especially when you have all those dubious events.
Regarding the game, Barcelona deserved to win: I bet on Juventus winning and lost, very disappointing game by the bianconeri.
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