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Quote from: Volgastallion on October 10, 2023, 03:46:26 PM

Man i hate so much the international break, i love to have midweek with european competition or at least games league or national cups, but international break destroy all the good things.

The only good thing is in the next round we can start to see which teams are gonna pass to next round and who is gonna fight until last round.

International breaks bore me a lot as the weekends becomes boring same as the midweek, we have nothing to look forward to , nothing to relax our nerves with and probably go in to some ecstasy of anticipations with so much euphoria coming from our various favourite teams, but then it wouldn't be long after all it's just a weekend.

After this break so much more will be expected of teams and players as it will be assumed they have gotten rest enough to bring back the actions to the pitch and give out the best of performance, they will not be fatigue prone for a while because they must have had some rest enough to take care of their chances of been fatigued in any form.

Most coaches is expected to be using this time to work o their strategies to improve them or better still get a new one which will work better than that which they have been use to before the break. I honestly can't wait for this break to come to an end already as my anticipation are already growing high as regards the quality of performance she should expect after now.

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Man i hate so much the international break, i love to have midweek with european competition or at least games league or national cups, but international break destroy all the good things.

The only good thing is in the next round we can start to see which teams are gonna pass to next round and who is gonna fight until last round.

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Quote from: karabiber on October 06, 2023, 09:45:48 AM

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I thought Fenerbahçe would win very easily and differently but they won 2-1. It is enough that they won.

Fenerbahce dominated the game from start to finish but struggled to break the deadlock when the opposition closed down in their own half. It might have been the game in which Fenerbahce made the most individual mistakes since the start of the season. I don't know if it's because of the team's lackadaisical attitude, the substitutes who don't usually play together or something else but it needs to be addressed.

When it comes to individual mistakes, Batshuayi needs a separate parenthesis. He is a very useful player but yesterday he was very ineffective. He constantly tried to draw fouls, played with the referee and got a yellow card for it. His main problem was his lack of passing. In a few positions where he didn't pass to his friends in space, he wasted attacks by losing the ball. I don't know if it's because he can't get the balls his friends want him to pass or because he has a problem with being substituted or because he's trying to show himself but he needs to be sorted out as soon as possible or else he should be let go at half time and a good backup center back should be bought instead.

You summarized the game well. As I said, I expected this game to end with a different score, but Fenerbahce made a lot of mistakes.
I hope they fix these mistakes as a team, I don't mind them playing like this because the squad is new and these things can happen.

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Things are not looking good for Besiktaş. I didn't expect to Beşiktaş have extremely poor performance. As a result of this performance, Şenol Güneş resigned. But it is not enough, Ahmet Nur Çebi should also resign.

Fenerbahçe, on the other hand, won a comfortable victory against its weak opponent with its substitute players. Fenerbahçe can win title both the Turkish Super League and the UEFA Conference League.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on October 06, 2023, 01:44:30 PM

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After all, Besiktas downfall occurred in the last 10 minutes of the match because perhaps, the red card received by Valentin Rosier made Lugano succeed in continuing to press Besiktas and managed to control the match well. Because after all, basically if Besiktas still plays with a complete team of 11 players, of course, Besiktas will still win, maybe with clean sheets too. So yes, I think basically Besiktas still has a good performance and squad too it's just that, when they experience an imbalance in the number of players like that then it makes Besiktas panic and difficult to maintain a good game.

I still can't believe how this happened mate. Besiktas are technically a way more powerful team than Lugano. Their worth is like at least 5 times Lugano's worth. But they still can't dominate this easy match and win comfortably. Instead just one red card despite being 2-0 ahead is enough to destroy Besiktas. How can you concede 3 goals in 10 minutes? It is really insane. Turkish teams have experienced this kind of unlucky scenarios quite often so far I'm afraid.

But this isn't about luck technically. This is about their having a mental breakdown easily and giving so many chances to their opponent.

But honestly this happens once in a lifetime for many players. It is one of those games that will be remembered exactly because it is so rare. Lugano will not do that again anytime soon against a superior team, perhaps not even in a league game. Besiktas had this, but it has to be pointed out that we should not talk worse about Lugano than necessary. They had 23:6 shots against Besiktas in Istanbul. Really, this is something that Besiktas should have defended much better. A team like Lugano shouldn't have the chance to finish their attack 23 times a game. That's too much and then probability comes into play that the moment will come when they hit one. The fact that they hit literally 3 in a row in 10 minutes is crazy.

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Quote from: hahay on October 06, 2023, 12:42:16 PM

After all, Besiktas downfall occurred in the last 10 minutes of the match because perhaps, the red card received by Valentin Rosier made Lugano succeed in continuing to press Besiktas and managed to control the match well. Because after all, basically if Besiktas still plays with a complete team of 11 players, of course, Besiktas will still win, maybe with clean sheets too. So yes, I think basically Besiktas still has a good performance and squad too it's just that, when they experience an imbalance in the number of players like that then it makes Besiktas panic and difficult to maintain a good game.

I still can't believe how this happened mate. Besiktas are technically a way more powerful team than Lugano. Their worth is like at least 5 times Lugano's worth. But they still can't dominate this easy match and win comfortably. Instead just one red card despite being 2-0 ahead is enough to destroy Besiktas. How can you concede 3 goals in 10 minutes? It is really insane. Turkish teams have experienced this kind of unlucky scenarios quite often so far I'm afraid.

But this isn't about luck technically. This is about their having a mental breakdown easily and giving so many chances to their opponent.

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Quote from: MK-74 on October 06, 2023, 02:16:58 AM

There is no explanation for this situation. Beşiktaş managers held a meeting for 4 hours last night, but I don't think anything will change. If it is going to change, I think Beşiktaş managers need to change first.

It's not a simple thing to make changes right away, you can't instantly have it like that. I bet that they decided to start looking for who to get next up, and maybe they can get some world known people, as far as I know Bielsa is still free agent for some reason and I have zero clue why nobody hired him so far, I mean he is at Uruguay but that doesn't mean he can't run a club as well, I don't really know. In any case, there are some famous managers who are not with a team yet, hell they could wait and ETH will be fired soon lol.

So if they want to change the manager, if that meeting was regarding the manager then I assume that it can't be right away, let the manager run the club to the ground while the yare looking and talking with some other potential managers and if they can agree on a name and that person agrees, then they can fire the current manager and get that new one. This allows them to have time on their hands to make sure they pick the right person this time.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on October 06, 2023, 03:01:22 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on October 06, 2023, 02:16:58 AM

There is no explanation for this situation. Beşiktaş managers held a meeting for 4 hours last night, but I don't think anything will change. If it is going to change, I think Beşiktaş managers need to change first.

If Beşiktaş decides to replace Şenol Güneş success will not come that easily. I think whole board should change at this point. Beşiktaş doesn't exactly have terrible squad. Obviously they could be able to beat Lugano as they scored 2 goals before to concede 3 later. They need complete renewal of mindset. Chemistry is hard to build from scratch. Beşiktaş should also terminate contracts of some lacking player. To be honest they have many bad players especially at bench.

After all, Besiktas downfall occurred in the last 10 minutes of the match because perhaps, the red card received by Valentin Rosier made Lugano succeed in continuing to press Besiktas and managed to control the match well. Because after all, basically if Besiktas still plays with a complete team of 11 players, of course, Besiktas will still win, maybe with clean sheets too. So yes, I think basically Besiktas still has a good performance and squad too it's just that, when they experience an imbalance in the number of players like that then it makes Besiktas panic and difficult to maintain a good game.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 06, 2023, 09:25:29 AM

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What its happening in this Conference league? Lille cant wina gainst the super weak team from the Faroe Islands? Come on!!.

Balkani winning against the proved on CHampions DInamo Zagreb!

I warned yesterday that Dinamo won't have an easy job vs Ballkani as they are missing a lot of players, and out of them the most important one being Petkovic without who Dinamo is like 50% weaker so every time you see that he is out, it is a good chance to bet against them.

Still, even with 4-5 players out I didn't expect to see Dinamo being so bad like they were last night and this was probably their worst performance in the last 10-15 years and a real embarrassment. This summer they sold 3 out of their best players (Ivanusec, Livakovic and Sutalo) while substitues brought are just awful and these are results we are seeing.

Yes i think this kind of teams rely a lot on having a very good goalkeeper, but against this weak teams they have to do more in the offensive. But well like i said above, in this tournaments this "weaks" teams play with the hearth and make very surprising results against the big one.

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Quote from: MK-74 on October 05, 2023, 04:47:12 PM

I thought Fenerbahçe would win very easily and differently but they won 2-1. It is enough that they won.

Fenerbahce dominated the game from start to finish but struggled to break the deadlock when the opposition closed down in their own half. It might have been the game in which Fenerbahce made the most individual mistakes since the start of the season. I don't know if it's because of the team's lackadaisical attitude, the substitutes who don't usually play together or something else but it needs to be addressed.

When it comes to individual mistakes, Batshuayi needs a separate parenthesis. He is a very useful player but yesterday he was very ineffective. He constantly tried to draw fouls, played with the referee and got a yellow card for it. His main problem was his lack of passing. In a few positions where he didn't pass to his friends in space, he wasted attacks by losing the ball. I don't know if it's because he can't get the balls his friends want him to pass or because he has a problem with being substituted or because he's trying to show himself but he needs to be sorted out as soon as possible or else he should be let go at half time and a good backup center back should be bought instead.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on October 05, 2023, 01:54:57 PM

What its happening in this Conference league? Lille cant wina gainst the super weak team from the Faroe Islands? Come on!!.

Balkani winning against the proved on CHampions DInamo Zagreb!

I warned yesterday that Dinamo won't have an easy job vs Ballkani as they are missing a lot of players, and out of them the most important one being Petkovic without who Dinamo is like 50% weaker so every time you see that he is out, it is a good chance to bet against them.

Still, even with 4-5 players out I didn't expect to see Dinamo being so bad like they were last night and this was probably their worst performance in the last 10-15 years and a real embarrassment. This summer they sold 3 out of their best players (Ivanusec, Livakovic and Sutalo) while substitues brought are just awful and these are results we are seeing.

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Quote from: sana54210 on October 05, 2023, 12:31:12 PM

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I dont know what to think about this Galatasary on europe, they are a bipolar team, the other day in Istanbul against Copenague they were trash, but yesterday they win against Manchester United in Old trafford, so which team they really are?

Galatasary is developing quite well as one of the teams from Turkey that is trying to show strength and can have a big name in European football.
From every victory in the several leagues they participate in they have proven that they can compete with European teams who are probably better known and more popular among football fans.

Talking about their victory against Manchester United at Old Trafford is actually a normal thing and anyone will definitely say that Galatasaray deserved that victory because Manchester United is currently in less convincing condition or experiencing a decline in performance.

If this season Galatasaray can last longer in the Europa League maybe they will get a place name to be proud of.

Imagine the fact that Fenerbahce, who is on this conference league, has been doing better than Galatasaray so far, both in the league and of course on European competitions as well. They haven't lost a game for like 10+ games in a row now, all their league games, all their conference league games, they have been getting pure wins, so to assume that they will win this one is not that hard and should be something that would benefit them all the better.

This should be something that you could care about and we can't really end up with anything that would be better. I hope that we could end up with a result that would be a bit harder to handle and if you really want that then you are going to get a good bet return if you bet on the favorites on this competition. I know that Galatasaray has been good, and beaten United, and if they did that, imagine what Fenerbahce could do.

Yes that clear because Fenerbahce is quite strong team and always dominates the Turkish League even every season they perform very satisfactorily with strength that is always at the forefront making it little difficult for Galatasaray to really compete with Fenerbahce.
But when Fenerbahce is here maybe Galatasaray won't be as great and it also possible that Galatasaray could have tougher competitors unlike now where it possible that in the Conference League Galatasaray can still dominate.

Fenerbahce got two easy wins and are currently top for group H.
Maybe Fenerbahce could be a favorite compared to Galatasaray but in the future we will never know what will happen.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 06, 2023, 03:40:28 AM

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Aston Villa will improve in games, particularly in scoring goals, which they appear to struggle with. Unai Emery will ensured for good results forthcoming for the team. Villa earned three more points against the defending Hsk Zrinjski Mostar. Krunoslav Rendulic, the manager of HSK Zrinjski Mostar, has significant objectives to achieve this season, despite the fact that his team is clearly average and lacks the quality to compete with EPL clubs. Losing 1 nil was most likely due to a good defensive strategy that was invaded in the final minutes of extra time in the second half.

I didn't watch the match but looking at the statistics they were just lucky to be able to score a goal in injury time, and actually, it's quite strange how a team that dominates the game in almost all parts but was unable to score a goal from the first half of the match, yes they faced a team with a defensive game strategy but it also proves how they still haven't shown themselves as one of the favorites in this tournament, quite different when they play in the English premier league.
The victory achieved by Aston Villa still puts them in the bottom position in Group E, and the four teams in that group both won 1 match so they have the same point, maybe Aston Villa's third match can be even better to be first in the standings.

@Strongkored I had expected Villa to dominate this group but they have disappointed me so far and even yesterday’s win wasn’t convincing enough. Furthermore I feel that they need to play with more desire and more belief because there’s no doubt in my mind about their qualification for the next round but if they continue to put in such mediocre performances then they will crash out way too soon and their exit will put tremendous pressure on their head coach.

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Quote from: MK-74 on October 06, 2023, 02:16:58 AM

There is no explanation for this situation. Beşiktaş managers held a meeting for 4 hours last night, but I don't think anything will change. If it is going to change, I think Beşiktaş managers need to change first.

Quite the day yesterday right ? A lot of surprises in Conference League or Lottery League cause that is the way I like to call it.

Bodo , Besiktas , Fiorentina , Lille ...all made a mistake yesterday and it might be a big one in the long run. Honestly , I didn't expect Fiorentina to make a draw and I didn't expect at all to see Besiktas lose against Lugano...a team who have no real experience in Europa Competitions.

Another big surprise was Ludogorets ( who has A LOT of European experience ) managed to concede 7 goals against Nordsjaelland and this was also the score of the week crossing UCL , Europa and Conference League.

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Quote from: Mame89 on October 06, 2023, 03:13:35 AM

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Now, with this defeat, Besiktas' fate is very slim after only collecting one point in Group D standings.

Besiktas has two games ahead with Bude-Glimt, I think they are quite capable of taking 6 points in these games. Then they have a home game with Brugge, it’s difficult to make assumptions here since Brugge is the favorite in the group, but in the first game away, Besiktas drew with them. And the last game will be away with Lugano, I think that this will be the game where the second team that can qualify from the group will be determined. Besiktas has excellent chances, nothing has been lost yet.

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Quote from: borovichok on October 06, 2023, 12:17:49 AM

Aston Villa will improve in games, particularly in scoring goals, which they appear to struggle with. Unai Emery will ensured for good results forthcoming for the team. Villa earned three more points against the defending Hsk Zrinjski Mostar. Krunoslav Rendulic, the manager of HSK Zrinjski Mostar, has significant objectives to achieve this season, despite the fact that his team is clearly average and lacks the quality to compete with EPL clubs. Losing 1 nil was most likely due to a good defensive strategy that was invaded in the final minutes of extra time in the second half.

I didn't watch the match but looking at the statistics they were just lucky to be able to score a goal in injury time, and actually, it's quite strange how a team that dominates the game in almost all parts but was unable to score a goal from the first half of the match, yes they faced a team with a defensive game strategy but it also proves how they still haven't shown themselves as one of the favorites in this tournament, quite different when they play in the English premier league.
The victory achieved by Aston Villa still puts them in the bottom position in Group E, and the four teams in that group both won 1 match so they have the same point, maybe Aston Villa's third match can be even better to be first in the standings.

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Quote from: SUPERSAIAN on October 05, 2023, 03:39:26 PM

Beşiktaş suffered a bad defeat today, I am truly saddened by this defeat. Things are not looking good for Besiktas this season, both in the league and the Conference league. He will need it badly after losing three points in this match, three goals in eight minutes was extremely shocking. Abubakar, however, made the opening match very well with his header.

Then he scored the second goal. Aboubakar scored both goals with good opportunities, but it was not enough, I'm sorry. It would be a good night, the country's score would increase. He could not perform the game he played in the first half in the second half, which led to defeat.

Among the many groups competing in the Conference league, for me this match is interesting because Lugano managed to make a comeback from Besiktas. Indeed, in the first half, Besiktas took the lead and in the second half they scored again. Besiktas were two goals behind in the 52nd minute because of Aboubakar's sharpness in scoring the goal. However, Aboubakar's efforts were in vain after Lugano took advantage of their man advantage, because Rosier received a second yellow card in the 61st minute which resulted in Besiktas having to play with 10 men.

In the remaining time Lugano took advantage of this condition which was no longer concentrating, Lugano players immediately took advantage of this situation so that two goals were created in the 81st and 86th minutes scored by Ignacio Aliseda and Shkelqim Vladi. These goals both came from crosses through the side. right. And Lugano's winning goal was created with an own goal when Eric Bailly tried to close the gap in the ball's movement in the final minute but the ball flew so fast and his header went towards his own goal.

Now, with this defeat, Besiktas' fate is very slim after only collecting one point in Group D standings.

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Quote from: MK-74 on October 06, 2023, 02:16:58 AM

There is no explanation for this situation. Beşiktaş managers held a meeting for 4 hours last night, but I don't think anything will change. If it is going to change, I think Beşiktaş managers need to change first.

If Beşiktaş decides to replace Şenol Güneş success will not come that easily. I think whole board should change at this point. Beşiktaş doesn't exactly have terrible squad. Obviously they could be able to beat Lugano as they scored 2 goals before to concede 3 later. They need complete renewal of mindset. Chemistry is hard to build from scratch. Beşiktaş should also terminate contracts of some lacking player. To be honest they have many bad players especially at bench.

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The two Group E matches looked exciting last night because both Aston Villa and Az Alkmaar both won 3 points in this match. In the opening match of the previous week, these two teams failed to get points, but now finally the two favorite teams to win Group E are starting to show their revival. Aston Villa managed to win narrowly at the end of the match against Zrinjki Monstar and the only goal from Aston Villa was scored by John McGinn. Not much different from Aston Villa, Az Alkmaar also achieved a narrow victory over their opponents Legia Warszawa and their winning goal was scored by Pavlidis in the 52nd minute. Even though in the 65th minute Az Alkmaar only played with 10 people, after Mayckel Lahdo received a red card, Az Alkmaar remained able to maintain this advantage until the final minute.

Looking at the current standings in Group E, all teams have equally collected 3 points and this will definitely be the most exciting group considering that all teams still have the same chance of qualifying as group winners and runners up.

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There is no explanation for this situation. Beşiktaş managers held a meeting for 4 hours last night, but I don't think anything will change. If it is going to change, I think Beşiktaş managers need to change first.

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