UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season - page 359.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on November 27, 2022, 05:40:35 PM

I get that they are doing half decent for now, and they have a good amount of players coming back, but that doesn't suddenly put them on the top of the teams list. I am guessing it is going to be a bit of a trouble in the long run, when they start to face other big name clubs.

Of course it still has to go through a process if they want to be said to be stronger now. They are only better, not stronger, the return of some players will certainly require adaptation time to return to their best performance.
Juventus are one of the big teams now, so it's only natural that they can put in something impressive in this Europa League. Moreover, their current opponent is a team that once again I say they are not ready to be here.
Their real opponent is in the next round. Allegri must see that this is the first step for Juventus to wade through tougher competition in a narrower round.

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Quote from: Masplanc on November 28, 2022, 02:49:10 AM

Arsenal is not the same Arsenal you used to know in last season. If you are following Arsenal up this season you are suppose to know who Arsenal is now. Arsenal are leading the in the premier league and still doing well in the Europa league. If they are to be in the Champions league they would have been among top teams .

Arsenal have a bigger chance of being in the Champions League next season, because if Arsenal can manage to be in a good position and win the Premier League, then Arsenal will immediately be in the Champions League next season, as well as if Arsenal manage to win the European League. this season, Arsenal can directly be in the Champions League next season.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on November 27, 2022, 03:23:15 PM

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I think Arsenal can win both the Europa and Premier League all the need is more more good games and consistency. They maintained a good performance and stat in the premier league as well as Europa in the early games of the season. The remain the favourite to win the Europa but for the PL the will have to maintain the point difference the have over Manchester City because Pep is cooking up some new tactics to test them once the season resumes.

This can indeed still happen but in the current conditions winning the European league and EPL clearly requires a very big effort for them even though at the moment their consistency is still maintained but we also know that Arsenal sometimes change from time to time and cannot be predicted so this it can still happen but quite difficult in my opinion.

All possibilities are still normal as long as Arsenal can maintain their form until the end of the season, Arteta must not be satisfied with the improvement his team is experiencing, he still has half a season left to reach his target.
Arsenal must always be consistent and continue to try to pursue what has been targeted since the start of the season, Arsenal efforts to bring in several top class players have had a big impact in improving their appearance. Arteta must believe that they can win the Europa League and Premier League as long as they can motivate their players and are supported by the tactics that have been used since the start of the season.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on November 27, 2022, 03:23:15 PM

Quote from: Alisha-k on November 27, 2022, 03:17:36 PM

I think Arsenal can win both the Europa and Premier League all the need is more more good games and consistency. They maintained a good performance and stat in the premier league as well as Europa in the early games of the season. The remain the favourite to win the Europa but for the PL the will have to maintain the point difference the have over Manchester City because Pep is cooking up some new tactics to test them once the season resumes.

This can indeed still happen but in the current conditions winning the European league and EPL clearly requires a very big effort for them even though at the moment their consistency is still maintained but we also know that Arsenal sometimes change from time to time and cannot be predicted so this it can still happen but quite difficult in my opinion.

Arsenal is not the same Arsenal you used to know in last season. If you are following Arsenal up this season you are suppose to know who Arsenal is now. Arsenal are leading the in the premier league and still doing well in the Europa league. If they are to be in the Champions league they would have been among top teams .

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on November 27, 2022, 05:40:35 PM

Quote from: nara1892 on November 27, 2022, 02:01:47 PM

With the condition of the players who have recovered such as Di Maria, Chiesa, Dusan and even Pogba of course at this time Juventus' condition is much better than before so they will be able to make it possible to successfully advance to the next round in the Europa League.
Juventus' condition is in contrast to Nantes because it seems they are still not ready to be in this league, especially with their not-so-good condition in the Europa League and Ligue 1.

I do agree that they will be a lot better team than they have been so far, but that still doesn't mean that they will be a better team overall. First we have to see what's going to happen with United and Barcelona game but both of those teams look like a better team than Juventus, and aside from that there are some other teams which have a good chance to win and be better than Juventus as well.

I get that they are doing half decent for now, and they have a good amount of players coming back, but that doesn't suddenly put them on the top of the teams list. I am guessing it is going to be a bit of a trouble in the long run, when they start to face other big name clubs.

For now there are no serious concerns about the opponent they will face. Juventus has a much better advantage compared to Nantes. The real test will come when they are in the round of 16 because maybe they will meet a much stronger team than Nantes. They have to anticipate this to make good preparations. But they also must not underestimate the match that is in front of them.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on November 27, 2022, 03:23:15 PM

This can indeed still happen but in the current conditions winning the European league and EPL clearly requires a very big effort for them even though at the moment their consistency is still maintained but we also know that Arsenal sometimes change from time to time and cannot be predicted so this it can still happen but quite difficult in my opinion.

What things have you seen at Arsenal this season? So it seems you are still in doubt for Arsenal who have to focus on the Europa League and Premier League this season. Because for Arsenal this season is a very good opportunity for them to win these two very different competitions and so far Arsenal have also shown very positive performances and unusual abilities in every game.

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Quote from: nara1892 on November 27, 2022, 02:01:47 PM

With the condition of the players who have recovered such as Di Maria, Chiesa, Dusan and even Pogba of course at this time Juventus' condition is much better than before so they will be able to make it possible to successfully advance to the next round in the Europa League.
Juventus' condition is in contrast to Nantes because it seems they are still not ready to be in this league, especially with their not-so-good condition in the Europa League and Ligue 1.

I do agree that they will be a lot better team than they have been so far, but that still doesn't mean that they will be a better team overall. First we have to see what's going to happen with United and Barcelona game but both of those teams look like a better team than Juventus, and aside from that there are some other teams which have a good chance to win and be better than Juventus as well.

I get that they are doing half decent for now, and they have a good amount of players coming back, but that doesn't suddenly put them on the top of the teams list. I am guessing it is going to be a bit of a trouble in the long run, when they start to face other big name clubs.

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Quote from: doomloop on November 27, 2022, 03:10:32 PM

Quote from: nara1892 on November 27, 2022, 02:01:47 PM

With the condition of the players who have recovered such as Di Maria, Chiesa, Dusan and even Pogba of course at this time Juventus' condition is much better than before so they will be able to make it possible to successfully advance to the next round in the Europa League.
Juventus' condition is in contrast to Nantes because it seems they are still not ready to be in this league, especially with their not-so-good condition in the Europa League and Ligue 1.

Even Juventus is already on recovery mod as they have good end before break with five wins in a row, and now we have around five weeks left in start of Serie A which is surely good period for them because with this break now most of their players will be able to have returned into action and give their best which is going to create good healthy competition in Serie A and title race could be turned into good way because right now we have Napoli as leaders and AC Milan is eight points behind with now gape for the Juventus is also ten points which is surely good but still reachable for them because they have quality players, and they can give them good results which will help this club to join at the top level of the UEFA region.

What is even more profitable is that they have an easy opponent in this play-off round. With the improvement they have shown lately, they will be more confident in themselves to win this match easily. As long as they don't try to underestimate Nantes, they will really record an easy win. Maybe this round they didn't have much difficulty facing Nantes, but it must be remembered that Nantes also brought a lot of motivation despite their appearance like that.
I want to see Juventus play in the next round and I hope they will meet a club that can challenge them even more in a tight game. That way I can measure their strength, are they more ready to become champions in the Europa League or even appear doubtful about getting a trophy.

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Quote from: lulumiya on November 27, 2022, 01:19:38 PM

Nantes should be really careful in the Ligue 1 while they are competing in the Europa League at the same time. Because it seems like they are focused on the Europa League much more these days. I understand this of course as they don't have this chance every season. But focusing on this tournament too much can cause them to be relegated from the Ligue 1 as well.

They are already very near the relegation zone. On the other hand their opponent in this stage of the Europa League is Juventus. Most probably Juventus will eliminate them. After that I guess Nantes would start pulling themselves together in the Ligue 1.

Overall Nantes performance in this season is not good in both competition even they qualify for the next round but still their performance was not ideal now in Ligue 1 they are at fifteenth spot which is already in danger zone with their points are also on level with one team in relegation zone which mean after break they need good hard work if they want to stay into French Ligue1 because if they are not able to perform in positive way then surely they can go down even out of the league which is surely going to be big setback and this is never been ideal as well now in knock out round they are going to face Juventus which is surely big challenge, and they need to improve performance and quality if they want to stay at good level for some more time.

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Quote from: nara1892 on November 27, 2022, 02:01:47 PM

With the condition of the players who have recovered such as Di Maria, Chiesa, Dusan and even Pogba of course at this time Juventus' condition is much better than before so they will be able to make it possible to successfully advance to the next round in the Europa League.
Juventus' condition is in contrast to Nantes because it seems they are still not ready to be in this league, especially with their not-so-good condition in the Europa League and Ligue 1.

Juventus has rediscovered its best form in Serie A and the Bianconeri have also received good news because several of their players who are currently undergoing treatment for injuries have now recovered. The World Cup break can be a blessing for Juventus because it can be maximized for the player's recovery period.

I'm sure Juventus will go faster in the Europa League, they are strong candidates this season with several teams eliminated from the Champions League. The Play-off match against Nantes is certainly not difficult for the Old Lady, but Allegri must also be wary of the rise of the representative from France. The Europa League playoff schedule will take place in February, so both teams still have time to prepare.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on November 27, 2022, 03:17:36 PM

I think Arsenal can win both the Europa and Premier League all the need is more more good games and consistency. They maintained a good performance and stat in the premier league as well as Europa in the early games of the season. The remain the favourite to win the Europa but for the PL the will have to maintain the point difference the have over Manchester City because Pep is cooking up some new tactics to test them once the season resumes.

This can indeed still happen but in the current conditions winning the European league and EPL clearly requires a very big effort for them even though at the moment their consistency is still maintained but we also know that Arsenal sometimes change from time to time and cannot be predicted so this it can still happen but quite difficult in my opinion.

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Quote from: zuzie on November 27, 2022, 01:28:38 PM

Quote from: D-law on November 27, 2022, 06:13:44 AM

Can Arsenal kill two bird's with a stone
Maybe they can but not with the premier league and Europa league
They need to put in more work so they can at least win the league

Manchester City is Arsenal's main enemy in the Premier League
Meanwhile in the Europa League, several teams such as Real Sociedad, Freiburg, Betis will be at the forefront of prevent Arsenal from winning the Europa League title this season. So far I'm still pretty sure Arsenal are the strongest candidate in the Europa League

I think Arsenal can win both the Europa and Premier League all the need is more more good games and consistency. They maintained a good performance and stat in the premier league as well as Europa in the early games of the season. The remain the favourite to win the Europa but for the PL the will have to maintain the point difference the have over Manchester City because Pep is cooking up some new tactics to test them once the season resumes.

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Quote from: nara1892 on November 27, 2022, 02:01:47 PM

With the condition of the players who have recovered such as Di Maria, Chiesa, Dusan and even Pogba of course at this time Juventus' condition is much better than before so they will be able to make it possible to successfully advance to the next round in the Europa League.
Juventus' condition is in contrast to Nantes because it seems they are still not ready to be in this league, especially with their not-so-good condition in the Europa League and Ligue 1.

Even Juventus is already on recovery mod as they have good end before break with five wins in a row, and now we have around five weeks left in start of Serie A which is surely good period for them because with this break now most of their players will be able to have returned into action and give their best which is going to create good healthy competition in Serie A and title race could be turned into good way because right now we have Napoli as leaders and AC Milan is eight points behind with now gape for the Juventus is also ten points which is surely good but still reachable for them because they have quality players, and they can give them good results which will help this club to join at the top level of the UEFA region.

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I have said it before and I am happy you are reasoning my way. Arteta should not risk this great opportunity to lift the English Premier League. Arsenal doesn't have a good squad depth to win both the Europa and English league. I am not saying that they should deliberately crash out of the Europa League but I am saying that Arteta should give more priority to English Premier League than Europa league in terms of player selections and concentrations.

Preferring the Premier League doesn't mean Arsenal have to forget the Europa League, because as long as Arsenal are able to get good results for both of them this season, it won't be wrong to do so even though it won't be so easy for Arsenal. But I see that there are better developments in the Arsenal team this season so that Arsenal will definitely be able to fight for those two very good trophies (the Premier League trophy and the Europa League trophy).

Can Arsenal kill two bird's with a stone
Maybe they can but not with the premier league and Europa league
They need to put in more work so they can at least win the league

You are right Arsenal need to do better for the Premier League. Arsenal need a much better performance than what they are currently doing. Because the rest of the teams are far ahead of them. So to do well, Arsenal need to be stronger.

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Arsenal will be happy in a way that they are doing so well, but from a financial point of view it does not help you much to participate in the Europa League. Only if you win the tournament will you have a reasonable amount left over. But even that cannot be compared to just participating in the Champions League tournament. Arsenal will play the Champions League next year, but I am looking forward to the games in the EL after the World Cup. We have some great draws on the schedule, which could also all be CL matches if you look at the strength of these teams.

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Quote from: lulumiya on November 27, 2022, 01:19:38 PM

Nantes should be really careful in the Ligue 1 while they are competing in the Europa League at the same time. Because it seems like they are focused on the Europa League much more these days. I understand this of course as they don't have this chance every season. But focusing on this tournament too much can cause them to be relegated from the Ligue 1 as well.

They are already very near the relegation zone. On the other hand their opponent in this stage of the Europa League is Juventus. Most probably Juventus will eliminate them. After that I guess Nantes would start pulling themselves together in the Ligue 1.

Right now, their approach and their most strategies are going just to win La Liga in this season because this can bring good positive development for the club in this depressing time while they are having huge debit and things are not looking good even they are already selling their media rights and having good contract money as well but hopefully in next winter transfer window they could be able to sell few players which will help them for having good money which will give them some relief from this huge debit which is headache for the management.

Their Champions League exit is surely having negative impact, but their performance in La Liga is surely giving them better results and good hopes for having good spot for this season which is surely having few issues off the field as well and need quick end of few rumours which are never been good.

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Quote from: zuzie on November 27, 2022, 01:28:38 PM

Quote from: D-law on November 27, 2022, 06:13:44 AM

Can Arsenal kill two bird's with a stone
Maybe they can but not with the premier league and Europa league
They need to put in more work so they can at least win the league

Manchester City is Arsenal's main enemy in the Premier League
Meanwhile in the Europa League, several teams such as Real Sociedad, Freiburg, Betis will be at the forefront of prevent Arsenal from winning the Europa League title this season. So far I'm still pretty sure Arsenal are the strongest candidate in the Europa League

There is no doubt in this season Arsenal is strong contender for the two top titles first Premier League where they are right now having five points lead from second spotted Manchester City and in UEFA Europa Cup they have done good job which is clearly indicating they can do good at the end of this season specially their defence and attack both are at the same level and supporting each other very strongly.

Now after break we are going to have tough challenges waiting for them because most chances few clubs are going to increase their firepower which is going to have good change in Premier League, so Arsenal are also having few inquiries if they are able to have positive development then surely we can expect good end of this season from them for their fans.

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Quote from: Raflesia on November 26, 2022, 05:57:15 PM

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Nantes is not an equal opponent for Juventus, Allegri's squad will definitely win this match easily. But I would like to remind Juventus not to let their opponents down this time, if they don't want something bad to happen to them at the end of the game. This is their chance to easily play in the next round. Because when compared to other teams like Manchester United and Barcelona who have to beat each other in this round, Juventus have a very comfortable situation. Especially with the return of several players who have just recovered from injury, this is good news for their squad.
After the World Cup is over, they are very likely to appear with the full squad and no longer have to reason that many of their players are injured.

Indeed, some of their matches in the Champions League this season have been very bad, but when you look at the current conditions with several players recovering and Juventus' performance in the last 6 matches in Serie A always winning, their chance is still very big now.
Nantes is one of the clubs that was unexpected in my opinion but when compared to Juventus at this time it is clear that there will be big hopes for Juventus in this Playoff.

With the condition of the players who have recovered such as Di Maria, Chiesa, Dusan and even Pogba of course at this time Juventus' condition is much better than before so they will be able to make it possible to successfully advance to the next round in the Europa League.
Juventus' condition is in contrast to Nantes because it seems they are still not ready to be in this league, especially with their not-so-good condition in the Europa League and Ligue 1.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on November 27, 2022, 07:34:19 AM

and as I said in the previous post, Arsenal have crucial games in the second half of the season in the Premier League. the reason, as we know before. often times, Arsenal underperformed after entering the second half of the season. like it or not, Arteta must prepare his troops to continue to appear consistently until the end of this season and add ammunition in the winter transfer window later. the Europa League trophy is the second plan, after progressing smoothly in the domestic league.

Arsenal have underperformed habit at second half season and actually Arteta need prepare by bringing several young player for back up main squad right now and I think have completed position, I think realistic with Arsenal chance for winning Primer League because have many compete team like Manchester City but have opportunity for the Gunner can get Europe League trophy if keep consistency at knock out round. Still not drawing yet with against team face by Arsenal on knock out round because need waiting with play off match result, I don't think Arsenal have already which one team face at Europe League on knock out round.

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Quote from: Raflesia on November 26, 2022, 05:57:15 PM

Indeed, some of their matches in the Champions League this season have been very bad, but when you look at the current conditions with several players recovering and Juventus' performance in the last 6 matches in Serie A always winning, their chance is still very big now.
Nantes is one of the clubs that was unexpected in my opinion but when compared to Juventus at this time it is clear that there will be big hopes for Juventus in this Playoff.

Nantes is a low tier team. I see that if juventus can beat it easily. I will always take juventus in the match against nantes. Seeing a top club from serie a to face a low tier team like nantes makes me believe if juventus can win with so many scores against nantes. I don't wanna underrated nantes but the truth has been saying the fact if nantes was nothing compared with juventus in term of statistic of something else. Nantes will be stopped by juventus in the europa league and juventus will able to pass nantes without any problem.

In terms of strength, there is a real difference between the two clubs, but on the other hand, we also cannot make it seem like Juventus is just winning.
At this time I have seen a lot of surprises that always happen in football and now I am always surprised by world cup matches and with this I would not consider this to be an easy win for Juventus even if seen in terms of strength and quality they are clearly more strong but when the game is 90 minutes later, we still can't predict what kind of result will happen later.

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