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Quote from: Marvell1 on October 04, 2024, 10:08:28 AM

When I say Roma played well I mean they dominated the match. In this match we saw the dominance of Roma players. Roma players have 75% ball possession in this match. At the same time, Roma players have been able to attack a lot. Roma players created a lot of scoring opportunities. But even then Elfsborg's defense failed to break down Roma. Roma players made a total of 23 shots in this match. 5 of these were on target. Elfsborg players on the other hand made only 6 shots. And all four shots were on target.

Roma failed to win in the first two matches. Whether this team can do well in the upcoming matches cannot be said for sure. It is well understood that the performance of this group is not very strong. Roma will face Dynamo Kyiv at home in their next match. This group is quite strong. Despite being a home match, it is very difficult for Roma to win against Dynamo.

You specified that Elfsborg had 6 shots on goal but you didn't specify that 4 of them were on target while Roma had only 5 of 24 shots on target. We've seen a lot of unexpected results this week and the Europa League has always been full of them. Dynamo is too weak now, Roma will probably be able to win that match, but Roma's opponents in the remaining matches are really tough, with De Rossi gone the team's problems haven't gone away. Manchester United could have done much better if they had kept a clean sheet longer but I didn't expect them to beat Porto, a draw in a match like that is not a bad result.

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Manchester United vs Porto was the most exciting match, it started from Manchester United leading two goals, Porto make a comeback for scoring 3 goals and in the injury time, Manchester United managed to equalize the score.

Bruno once again try a risky move and he received red card in this match, will Manchester United appeal the red card again just like they did in the previous match against Tottenham?

Bruno should be benched, unfortunately there are no players that play as good as him right now.

Wow, the match was really exciting, how could Man United who were already two goals ahead concede three goals, luckily Harry Maguire was able to score a goal in injury time, saving Man United from defeat. Regarding Bruno's red card, I think it's fair because it was clearly a violation and the referee didn't immediately issue a red card, only gave a yellow card, so because Bruno had previously received a yellow card, it's fair to get a red card. I don't agree if Bruno is benched because he is one of the key players in the Man United squad and he is also the team captain.

Ten Hag and the players are not having it this time, I see no sign of improvement, moving from worst to worst on different leagues. Knocking Chelsea off from qualifying for the Europa league is of no importance because even with their last minute qualification they have been unable to put out a good performance.

I don't think the coach will last for another season with this level of results the team is getting in this crucial phases of the competition, even Bruno might end up not being part of the squad by then.

Bruno needs to work on himself and should mind the way he acts when he is on the pitch so that his actions will not affect the club performance even if we know that Manchester united is struggling in most of their matches. This season is like phase two of last season's delimma which Manchester United faced because I don't see any difference in the team's performane. The only difference that I see are the new players that was signed into the club.

I think the team lack motivation while they are on the pitch, because Ten Hag only sits down and overlook what is happening on the field and he is not seeing how he can use his presence to motivate and ginger the players for a better performance. You will see other coaches shouting and motivating their players for them to do better.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 03, 2024, 03:23:29 PM

I agree with yo. There is no wonder if Porto won this match. And the interesting thing is that Porto managed to take the lead early in the second half. I didn't think any team could fall behind so quickly after leading 2-0. If there was another team in place of Manchester United, Porto probably wouldn't have taken the lead so quickly. Manchester United's situation is very bad now.

Hojlund and Rashford performed well in the first half. And although the match was tied 2-2 at the end of the first half, Manchester United's overall performance was relatively good. But Manchester United's players were perhaps overconfident. Or they conceded three goals in a row due to poor match strategy. And right now I think Manchester United is the most likely to lose this match. After taking a 3-2 lead, Porto's players are now performing well.

It can always happen with Manchester United my dear. Manchester United never fails to disappoint, they ended up drawing the match despite leading the game with two goals ahead, how they let themselves to be overpowered by their opponents and conceded three goals in a blink of eye is beyond me. Manchester United are such an easy team to play against. I think with this result the end of Erik Ten Hag as United’s manager is close and it will not be too long before we get the news of his sack.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on October 04, 2024, 07:12:08 AM

~snip~

Roma are back to normal again then. Tongue

I mean it was already obvious from the Venezia match. Don't you think? They barely won that match before this one. You just can't fix things that easy by signing a new manager. So what now? They screwed it up by their rushed choices and now they have nothing else to do than being patient as of now.

If only they just waited on De Rossi... They were unfair to him as they didn't even keep him for a full year. I even think Mourinho should have stayed longer in the first place. He was a manager with a wonderful career.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on October 04, 2024, 10:08:28 AM

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Yesterday I was very disappointed with the overall performance of the Roma team. Roma team shared the points with Athletic Club in the first match of the Europa League. It was Roma's home match. But the match was completely dominated by Athletic Club. Even then Roma managed to get 1 point from this match.

But Roma's defeat against IF Elfsborg was a completely unexpected result. Because we know the Elfsborg team well. Not even this is the first time I've heard the name Elfsborg. Roma lost against such a team. It is true that Roma played well throughout the match. But it was Roma's failure to break down Elfsborg's defence. I wouldn't call it bad luck. Roma's players should have performed better. Roma's attacking players in particular also missed a lot of easy chances. Roma will not be able to do much better in the Europa League this season.

Elfsborg was a Swedish club. They also rarely played in European competition as well.

On other hand, i don't even think Roma played well in this game. They had no poise and character. They wasted so many chances. They dominated possession. But their opponent let them have it. They are playing without a tactical plan. They did 20 crosses that went nowhere.

I hope Roma is out of the competition If they keep playing at this rate, they clearly don't want to be here. They were not serious in their performance.

When I say Roma played well I mean they dominated the match. In this match we saw the dominance of Roma players. Roma players have 75% ball possession in this match. At the same time, Roma players have been able to attack a lot. Roma players created a lot of scoring opportunities. But even then Elfsborg's defense failed to break down Roma. Roma players made a total of 23 shots in this match. 5 of these were on target. Elfsborg players on the other hand made only 6 shots. And all four shots were on target.

Roma failed to win in the first two matches. Whether this team can do well in the upcoming matches cannot be said for sure. It is well understood that the performance of this group is not very strong. Roma will face Dynamo Kyiv at home in their next match. This group is quite strong. Despite being a home match, it is very difficult for Roma to win against Dynamo.

Roma have a lot to learn from their opponents that possession of the ball is not everything and even if they can dominate the game it does not guarantee that they will get the win. Elfsborg might lose in an open game, for that reason, though they have the advantage of playing at home, they prefer to play defensive football and wait for the opportunity to make a quick counterattack. With that strategy, it provides better effectiveness than Roma.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on October 04, 2024, 08:31:38 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on October 04, 2024, 07:12:08 AM

Yesterday I was very disappointed with the overall performance of the Roma team. Roma team shared the points with Athletic Club in the first match of the Europa League. It was Roma's home match. But the match was completely dominated by Athletic Club. Even then Roma managed to get 1 point from this match.

But Roma's defeat against IF Elfsborg was a completely unexpected result. Because we know the Elfsborg team well. Not even this is the first time I've heard the name Elfsborg. Roma lost against such a team. It is true that Roma played well throughout the match. But it was Roma's failure to break down Elfsborg's defence. I wouldn't call it bad luck. Roma's players should have performed better. Roma's attacking players in particular also missed a lot of easy chances. Roma will not be able to do much better in the Europa League this season.

Elfsborg was a Swedish club. They also rarely played in European competition as well.

On other hand, i don't even think Roma played well in this game. They had no poise and character. They wasted so many chances. They dominated possession. But their opponent let them have it. They are playing without a tactical plan. They did 20 crosses that went nowhere.

I hope Roma is out of the competition If they keep playing at this rate, they clearly don't want to be here. They were not serious in their performance.

When I say Roma played well I mean they dominated the match. In this match we saw the dominance of Roma players. Roma players have 75% ball possession in this match. At the same time, Roma players have been able to attack a lot. Roma players created a lot of scoring opportunities. But even then Elfsborg's defense failed to break down Roma. Roma players made a total of 23 shots in this match. 5 of these were on target. Elfsborg players on the other hand made only 6 shots. And all four shots were on target.

Roma failed to win in the first two matches. Whether this team can do well in the upcoming matches cannot be said for sure. It is well understood that the performance of this group is not very strong. Roma will face Dynamo Kyiv at home in their next match. This group is quite strong. Despite being a home match, it is very difficult for Roma to win against Dynamo.

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Quote from: arufox on October 04, 2024, 04:13:28 AM

Wow, the match was really exciting, how could Man United who were already two goals ahead concede three goals, luckily Harry Maguire was able to score a goal in injury time, saving Man United from defeat. Regarding Bruno's red card, I think it's fair because it was clearly a violation and the referee didn't immediately issue a red card, only gave a yellow card, so because Bruno had previously received a yellow card, it's fair to get a red card. I don't agree if Bruno is benched because he is one of the key players in the Man United squad and he is also the team captain.

An exciting match, Man United's defense in this match needs to be questioned in one match, they easily conceded three goals, even had the lead but finally Porto made an extraordinary comeback due to the fragility of Man United's defense until finally Maguire came in as a hero after equalizing the score to 3-3. A match that drained energy and mind for both teams of course, Erik Ten in this match was also smart by bringing in Maguire when they were behind.

I myself assess Bruno's performance lately, his performance is indeed very bad. He is not an ideal captain in my opinion, 2 matches with 2 red cards show the pressure he is under and his inability as a leader. So Ten Haq should pay attention to this for Bruno, because he is the captain and because of his carelessness the team that received him. Currently Eriksen is playing very well he deserves to be considered by Erik Ten in the next match and Bruno must sit on the bench in the next match, he needs a rest so he can focus on the game again.

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Quote from: len01 on October 04, 2024, 07:09:49 AM

But at least out of the 10 matches I had, I still got 7 profitable wins and 3 losses.

7/10 matches is quite better and profitable for you, while I always rely on parlay in this victory, just one match lost then ruined the parlay made.
I'm still curious about parlay betting but lately there have been more defeats too much ambition and team input in the bet that makes me complacent with the odds are quite large.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on October 04, 2024, 08:46:16 AM

Maybe he was emotional because at that time they were behind Porto so when there was an opportunity it became disastrous because the foot was too high then obviously this endangered the opponent the second card yellow card was still appropriate for him, but for some reason he always protests which is not clear.

Imagine two matches in the EPL and UEL he got a red card, meaning it can be said to play in an arrogant manner.
As a captain he should not do that especially in situations where his team is under pressure and behind a goal.

I don't explain it for Bruno and as a captain, he needs to avoid these over emotional behaviors because if he wants best results for his team, he never wants to put his team win situation of 10 players vs 11 players of the opponent.

In another explanation, I believe that Bruno himself is stressful too and it seems too much pressure on his shoulder as a captain of Manchester United. He failed to control himself partially because of too much pressure and expectation on his performance and leadership as their captain. Manchester United and Ten Hag actually must do many things to reduce pressure on Bruno and help him to rebalance for playing better.

They have to do this because Manchester United need a best Bruno in psychology and performance, not a captain like this.

Bruno seems to be so desparated or frustrated with the situation in his team since the beginning of the season which makes him out of emotional control.
It can be said that he got 2 red cards in a row, it shows how frustrated he is and I think it is normal because I believe he tries his best as captain and also as a game creator for his team.
Complicated situation for him and I can feel him, perhaps other players will also as frustrated as him if they are in his position in Man United.
I have no idea what Man United can do during this season if there is no improvement (for the squad) or no change (especially the coach) but I guess they wont get any trophy this year.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on October 04, 2024, 08:46:16 AM

Maybe he was emotional because at that time they were behind Porto so when there was an opportunity it became disastrous because the foot was too high then obviously this endangered the opponent the second card yellow card was still appropriate for him, but for some reason he always protests which is not clear.

Imagine two matches in the EPL and UEL he got a red card, meaning it can be said to play in an arrogant manner.
As a captain he should not do that especially in situations where his team is under pressure and behind a goal.

Bruno Fernandes often protests to the referee when he makes a mistake in any match so that we can also consider it as something that is detrimental to the team because he should have been wiser when he was behind any opponent and also he is a captain on the field who actually shouldn't feel emotional. I really feel sorry for the Manchester United team because so far the team has often drawn and even lost to their opponents in quite important matches and I hope Manchester United can immediately improve from their slump this season.

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Quote from: armanda90 on October 04, 2024, 06:09:38 AM

Soon Erik ten Hag will sack from his position after Manchester United get failure securing three points on second match in UEFA Europe League faced FC Porto, I doubt with Manchester United opportunity qualify to knock out round or not behind six matches left only have one points and difficult reach the top eight position standings are directly qualifying to 16 of round.
Looking the matches schedule left on UEFA Europe League, Manchester United will face many top teams and I doubt with opportunity will get directly qualify to knock out round and have possibility with playoff round qualifying by standings until 24th position place.

If this results do not change then there is definitely going to be a change in the Manchester United management. The board might be a bit relaxed now Just not to make him feel as if he isn’t supported but they will definitely act if the results continues to be poor. This just concluded game and that of Aston Villa was to me the ultimate game for Erik Ten hag, now he has drawn this which is actually mounting a pressure on him, if Manchester United drops points against Aston Villa it could be the end of his reign in the club.

Right now I still think Manchester United will not get kicked out of the Europa league like that, I still see them going all the way to the last 8. They have two points after back to back draws and they need just fifteen points to get a direct qualification to the last 16 with six more games they could flip in wins because they definitely need will it be with Ten Hag at helm of affairs only time will tell. He Ten Hag is optimistic that they will win trophies this season let’s see if he can last till may

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on October 04, 2024, 08:31:38 AM

Elfsborg was a Swedish club. They also rarely played in European competition as well.

On other hand, i don't even think Roma played well in this game. They had no poise and character. They wasted so many chances. They dominated possession. But their opponent let them have it. They are playing without a tactical plan. They did 20 crosses that went nowhere.

I hope Roma is out of the competition If they keep playing at this rate, they clearly don't want to be here. They were not serious in their performance.

Roma is over, after Mourinho left the team, Roma is getting weaker.

I see that Roma have many young players like 20 years old, although there are great young players like Yamal, Guler etc, but most of young players are weaker than average players in prime age.

It's hard to believe Roma would out from the competition because there are many unknown teams played in this league.

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Quote from: len01 on October 04, 2024, 07:09:49 AM

What you said is very true, and I was just too selfish with my skeptical thoughts about Man United's performance in the EPL. And I should have bet on the over or under in the MU and Roma match.

But at least out of the 10 matches I had, I still got 7 profitable wins and 3 losses.

It was a prediction out of my gut feeling and one born out of how badly Manchester United had performed in their previous games, they ought to be getting some wins and the Europa is a perfect league for them to prove their worth. Though Porto is good and you can relate by how they quickly came from behind to bring the game to Manchester United, with Samu being an unstoppable force for Manchester United’s backline De light and Dalot, Manchester United had some force in their forward to force a draw out of Porto and they eventually did. 3 odds on them was just a way for the bookies to throw gamblers off balance but, it wasn’t the game that ruined me though, AS Roma couldn’t make out a win.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on October 04, 2024, 05:06:18 AM

That picture was telling us if Ten Hag would say, "They played badly all season. But, they still won a trophy."

It sounds like another excuse from Ten Hag. And even he can't guarantee his team is going to win another trophy this season. He looks so stubborn.

Ten Hag is always using the trophies he won in his two seasons in charge of Manchester United as excuse, he is always bringing it up to save his job because it is a good achievement per say, but for team like Manchester United, the excuse should not be acceptable because he is yet to show any quality as a manager, and his European games are always not good. He played 10 European games and won just one which is embarrassing for a team with higher standards like Manchester United. Nevertheless, if the managements wants to give him more time, it is fine and understandable, but I am very sure Manchester United fans are angry and didn’t trust this guy’s process anymore.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on October 04, 2024, 08:46:16 AM

Maybe he was emotional because at that time they were behind Porto so when there was an opportunity it became disastrous because the foot was too high then obviously this endangered the opponent the second card yellow card was still appropriate for him, but for some reason he always protests which is not clear.

Imagine two matches in the EPL and UEL he got a red card, meaning it can be said to play in an arrogant manner.
As a captain he should not do that especially in situations where his team is under pressure and behind a goal.

It is clear that Bruno is frustrated because his team cannot develop the game so he plays so roughly because his emotions are no longer under control, the red card he received is very reasonable because he played quite roughly in this match.

This is clearly very detrimental to the Manchester United team, it is true that Bruno did something detrimental to the team in two consecutive matches and it is clear that he is very emotional, even though he is the team captain but his behavior is very bad, it causes all Manchester United players to be frustrated because of their captain's actions.

Manchester United's draw is very unfortunate, even though they were 2 goals ahead but they had to fall behind until finally there was a goal at the end of the match to save them from a humiliating defeat.

Manchester United's performance is really very bad now, there is nothing to judge from the Manchester United team, since the beginning of the season they have been in a slump.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on October 04, 2024, 08:46:16 AM

Maybe he was emotional because at that time they were behind Porto so when there was an opportunity it became disastrous because the foot was too high then obviously this endangered the opponent the second card yellow card was still appropriate for him, but for some reason he always protests which is not clear.

Imagine two matches in the EPL and UEL he got a red card, meaning it can be said to play in an arrogant manner.
As a captain he should not do that especially in situations where his team is under pressure and behind a goal.

I don't explain it for Bruno and as a captain, he needs to avoid these over emotional behaviors because if he wants best results for his team, he never wants to put his team win situation of 10 players vs 11 players of the opponent.

In another explanation, I believe that Bruno himself is stressful too and it seems too much pressure on his shoulder as a captain of Manchester United. He failed to control himself partially because of too much pressure and expectation on his performance and leadership as their captain. Manchester United and Ten Hag actually must do many things to reduce pressure on Bruno and help him to rebalance for playing better.

They have to do this because Manchester United need a best Bruno in psychology and performance, not a captain like this.

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The match between Manchester United and Porto was indeed very dramatic, the exchange of goals occurred in the match since the first half of the match began, playing at home, in fact Porto was surprised by Rashford quick goal in the 7th minute and Manchester who were 1 goal ahead continued to increase their attack to secure the victory, but unfortunately it was Manchester United's defense again that became a problem that caused them to fail to get full points in the match, De Ligt and Martinez I think was the reason Manchester failed to get 3 points because of their inability to guard the defense which made Porto manage to end the game with a score of 3-3.
Maybe Manchester United will try to appeal, but it looks like they won't succeed in overturning the punishment received by Bruno Fernandes,Because indeed he deserves a second yellow card in the match after raising his legs too high and potentially endangering the opponent.

Here, everything is already quite obvious. Dangerous play. It is not a sin to give a yellow card for this. The referee did everything right here. A completely justified gesture. You can’t play like that on the field. Bruno Fernandes behaved strangely in this situation, having such a great experience of the game. Apparently, something is affecting him. What could it be? Perhaps some personal problems?

Maybe he was emotional because at that time they were behind Porto so when there was an opportunity it became disastrous because the foot was too high then obviously this endangered the opponent the second card yellow card was still appropriate for him, but for some reason he always protests which is not clear.

Imagine two matches in the EPL and UEL he got a red card, meaning it can be said to play in an arrogant manner.
As a captain he should not do that especially in situations where his team is under pressure and behind a goal.

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Quote from: ajanwalker on October 03, 2024, 02:16:32 PM

Before the match, Galatasaray coach Okan Buruk said: The field is beautiful, the air temperature is good, and we went to the field as a team with our main squad, but Galatasaray could not manage to beat Rigas.
They took a 0-2 lead in the match, but 2 minutes after scoring the second goal, they conceded a goal and the first half ended 1-2.
Rigas started the second half well again and made the score 2-2 in the 54th minute. My Rigas returned a ball to the post. If a goal had been scored in that position, Galatasaray would have been defeated away. With this draw, Galatasaray increased its points to 4 in the league.
Muslera was still suspended and Günay guarded the goal again.
Muslera has a one-match suspension remaining.

In the last two games, Galatasaray have conceded a handicap lead and they was a draw. Galatasaray is a team that gets demoralized quickly after conceding a goal and as a result the team is unable to react. I think this is due to a lack of technical work outside the master plan. Galatasaray are not able to stay in the game. The reason for this is the short average height of the team.

When Galatasaray can't get any results from the pressure, they don't have a second plan. In all the games when they were ahead, they faced the same problems and the team couldn't keep the ball. They are still in the early stages and such mistakes can be compensated for. However, if Okan Buruk doesn't change the system, he might not see the second half of the season.

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Quote from: davis196 on October 04, 2024, 01:49:51 AM

The only surprising thing about Manchester United's performance against Porto was Marcus Rashford. He scored a goal and assisted for Rasmus Hojlund's goal. Rashford's goal was quite impressive. He is a talented player and I hope that he finds motivation to lead United to more victories in the future. United as usual was horrible in defense and chaotic in the middle. The new owner of United has incredible patience when it comes to Ten Hag. The players of Porto should feel regrets about the wasted victory, but their defensive play was also very bad.

If Maguire hadn't scored a goal in extra time, Manchester United would have surely lost this match. I watched the first half of this match between Manchester United vs Porto where both teams managed to score two goals against each other. I left this game annoyed with Manchester United because even though Manchester United scored goals, they didn't do well in defense and they couldn't resist some of Porto's simple attacks. The team against which Manchester United played the last European League match is not a strong team at all.
Still, as hard as Manchester United had to work to get a point against this team, it goes without saying that if there was a stronger team in their place, they would have been beaten by a much larger margin.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on October 04, 2024, 07:12:08 AM

Yesterday I was very disappointed with the overall performance of the Roma team. Roma team shared the points with Athletic Club in the first match of the Europa League. It was Roma's home match. But the match was completely dominated by Athletic Club. Even then Roma managed to get 1 point from this match.

But Roma's defeat against IF Elfsborg was a completely unexpected result. Because we know the Elfsborg team well. Not even this is the first time I've heard the name Elfsborg. Roma lost against such a team. It is true that Roma played well throughout the match. But it was Roma's failure to break down Elfsborg's defence. I wouldn't call it bad luck. Roma's players should have performed better. Roma's attacking players in particular also missed a lot of easy chances. Roma will not be able to do much better in the Europa League this season.

Elfsborg was a Swedish club. They also rarely played in European competition as well.

On other hand, i don't even think Roma played well in this game. They had no poise and character. They wasted so many chances. They dominated possession. But their opponent let them have it. They are playing without a tactical plan. They did 20 crosses that went nowhere.

I hope Roma is out of the competition If they keep playing at this rate, they clearly don't want to be here. They were not serious in their performance.

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