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December 17, 2024, 05:17:02 PM
I have two things to point out here;
  • Onana is not a bad goalie. He is a world class goalkeeper no doubt. The problem he has had is that since his arrival at Manchester United, the club has been very much inconsistent.
  • Former Manchester United No 1 had a problem of using his feet. He was that kind of traditional goalie but then was doing well in other aspects.
  • The problem of Onana is his ability save set pieces. He concedes alot from corner kick and free kicks
So, it is purely the preference of the coach and what he wants.

I would probably agree that Onana was not bad this season and probably at the end of last season, but it is impossible to forget how many goals were missed due to his personal mistakes. Sometimes he makes beautiful saves and sometimes he makes terrible mistakes, such volatility does not instill confidence in defenders. Maybe under Amorim he will become more stable, or at least Amorim will make it so that he has less work (and less chance of making mistakes).
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December 17, 2024, 04:06:36 PM
Onana is a quality goalkeeper and shouldn't be among the offloading list, because he is young with great potentials. I believe that as time passes on, Amorim will help Onana bring out the best in him. Currently, I don't see any goalkeeper in United that will bench Onana who is the first choice of any coach. I believe that soonest we will see the best of Onana.
Manchester United don't have the best goalkeeper, but that doesn't mean Onana is good enough to be the first choice, maybe he would be better off as a substitute goalkeeper and playing in cup competitions. If Amorim wants to reach the highest heights, they need a reliable goalkeeper who plays well not in some games, but in every match. It is obvious that Onana is not that kind of goalkeeper and he makes fatal mistakes quite often.

Agreed, the reason Onana is the main choice to enter the starting lineup, because basically Manchester United does not have another goalkeeper who has better quality than Onana. Thus, Amorim will still choose Onana as Manchester United's main goalkeeper. But yes, I hope the other goalkeepers on the Manchester United bench can develop better in a short time. Because of course, if they can do that then it will be a chance for other goalkeepers in the Manchester United squad to get the chance to play to replace Onana. But indeed,  Amorim also still needs time and some transfers, of course to form a team according to his plan.
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December 17, 2024, 01:39:24 PM
After the turbulent era under Ten Hag, what's most important for Manchester United now is simply winning, regardless of how they achieve it. Victory will be make Ruben Amorim as the new coach earn him more respect from both players and fans, and I think that's the main thing needed in this transitional period. Gradually, Manchester United are starting to show improvement in every area, and to reach the Europa League Round of 16, I'm confident Manchester United will qualify comfortably. Besides that, a player like Rashford deserves to be sold, and I think that might happen in the upcoming summer transfer window.

As a neutral supporter, of course I want a cool game to watch, as well as watching Manchester United, which in my eyes is not just a victory to feel respected. but in terms of tactics, a game that includes everything in modern football itself. but it is legitimate if United supporters currently want victory after victory from their favorite team, even though in terms of play or tactics it is not so prominent. IMO, it seems that Manchester United needs an overhaul if they want to return to their highest level. but Amorim can't do it right now, so the focus is on the available players. if their potential can qualify in this qualifying round, it seems that I have the same belief, especially since their opponents are not teams that are at a higher level than Manchester United. but we'll just have to see how United plays the remaining matches.
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December 17, 2024, 12:05:48 PM
Onana is a quality goalkeeper and shouldn't be among the offloading list, because he is young with great potentials. I believe that as time passes on, Amorim will help Onana bring out the best in him. Currently, I don't see any goalkeeper in United that will bench Onana who is the first choice of any coach. I believe that soonest we will see the best of Onana.
Manchester United don't have the best goalkeeper, but that doesn't mean Onana is good enough to be the first choice, maybe he would be better off as a substitute goalkeeper and playing in cup competitions. If Amorim wants to reach the highest heights, they need a reliable goalkeeper who plays well not in some games, but in every match. It is obvious that Onana is not that kind of goalkeeper and he makes fatal mistakes quite often.
I have two things to point out here;
  • Onana is not a bad goalie. He is a world class goalkeeper no doubt. The problem he has had is that since his arrival at Manchester United, the club has been very much inconsistent.
  • Former Manchester United No 1 had a problem of using his feet. He was that kind of traditional goalie but then was doing well in other aspects.
  • The problem of Onana is his ability save set pieces. He concedes alot from corner kick and free kicks
So, it is purely the preference of the coach and what he wants.
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December 17, 2024, 12:02:44 PM
Amorim has previously stated that he will still entrust the main goalkeeper position to onana after the blunder he made against plazen, so this shows a great form of trust in onana or either because they don't have a better goalkeeper to rely on at the moment, I think if onana can minimise making mistakes in every match maybe he will be a perfect goalkeeper with extraordinary reflexes, but indeed the silly actions he often does actually make him often considered the cause of manchester united defeat.

Talking about his future at manchester united, in my opinion he have a 50/50 chance to remain the main goalkeeper in the red devils squad next season, if Amorim recruits a new goalkeeper in the transfers market later.

My guess is that they don't have an alternative goalkeeper. They are rare and the only thing Amorim can do about it in the middle of the season is to express his trust for Onana or otherwise he would further weaken him. He has made mistakes repeatedly, but I think he was more stable recently apart from the game against Plzen, but they still won the game though.

It comes down to whether Manchester United is able to sign a new top goalkeeper or not. I doubt it because they are very likely going to not play in the Europa League next season and I don't think any great goalkeeper would decide to go to Manchester United if they can't play any of the bigger tournaments.

Onana loses his concentration sometimes and then he looks as if the lost orientation especially in the box. It's so vital for a goalkeeper to avoid the easy mistakes. The problem is if he defends five balls in a spectacular way but then makes a stupid mistake, the game can still be lost.
They actually have alternatives with two backup goalkeepers but in quality maybe Onana is considered better than the other two goalkeepers, so indeed next season Amorim should pay special attention to the position of goalkeeper, considering the absence of competition created for Onana at this time to get the position as  main goalkeeper,if Manchester United wants to return to the positive path, then they must strengthen the goalkeeper position, maybe they even need to consider some great goalkeepers who has proven their quality and consistency over the years to become competitors for Onana later.
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December 17, 2024, 11:44:32 AM
Your opinion is very right and even Onana once saved United goal from a penalty kick and last season Onana also did the same thing. So with such an appearance, Amorim still has confidence that Onana can be relied on and only needs a little improvement in MU defense. So currently Onana is likely to continue to be maintained in important matches and Amorim has no other reason than having to choose a backup goalkeeper who he thinks could actually be worse.
What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.
Onana is a quality goalkeeper and shouldn't be among the offloading list, because he is young with great potentials. I believe that as time passes on, Amorim will help Onana bring out the best in him. Currently, I don't see any goalkeeper in United that will bench Onana who is the first choice of any coach. I believe that soonest we will see the best of Onana.
I do not doubt the quality of Onana's game in guarding the Manchester United goal, but the problem is that Onana often harms Manchester United several times. Onana made a very fatal mistake in an important Manchester United match, if Manchester United finds a competent goalkeeper who rarely makes blunders then it is likely that Onana will be shifted and entered into the sales radar for Manchester United, Indeed, Onana's potential is very good but all of that is constrained by the mistakes that Onana often makes which makes me feel he deserves to be at Manchester United, because Manchester United has always had the best goalkeepers in decades but only in the current era has the Manchester United goalkeeper been seen playing jokes in several matches.
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December 17, 2024, 11:00:06 AM
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Yes, it's true, this will be a very good momentum for Manchester United because they can win a prestigious derby match. The victory should make their mentality and morality better to play the upcoming matches, one of which is their schedule in the Europa League. In the Europa League itself, they have a very big chance to qualify directly without going through the play-off round, especially with their current situation. So far, Amorim has been able to lift the morale of the players in the squad, he can show a good process and of course that is a big hope for them to be able to return to their glory days.
Slowly but surely, Manchester United managed to improve their performance to maintain their chances of qualifying for the knock-out round without having to go through the play-off round, now they are in 7th place with 12 points collected. Victory over Manchester City can boost their confidence to face Rangers in match 7, this match is very important for Man United to maintain their position in the top 8 because currently Rangers are one rank below them.
Amorim has asked the management to bring in several new players in the January transfer market, their strength is increasing with the arrival of several new players in preparation to compete with other teams.
Since Manchester United have been able to defeat a strong team like Manchester City in the Premier League, the next matches in the Europa League will certainly not be difficult for them. Manchester United know how to play well which is why it is difficult for any team to beat Manchester United now. Earlier Manchester United couldn't have confidence in themselves and when they went on the field they felt like they were going to lose but now they are very strong in terms of confidence. When you have confidence in yourself, you can compete with each other no matter how tough the opponent. As there is still a chance for Manchester United, I believe Manchester United will play to win the Europa League title, not to qualify for the next round.
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December 17, 2024, 05:54:00 AM
Onana is a quality goalkeeper and shouldn't be among the offloading list, because he is young with great potentials. I believe that as time passes on, Amorim will help Onana bring out the best in him. Currently, I don't see any goalkeeper in United that will bench Onana who is the first choice of any coach. I believe that soonest we will see the best of Onana.
Manchester United don't have the best goalkeeper, but that doesn't mean Onana is good enough to be the first choice, maybe he would be better off as a substitute goalkeeper and playing in cup competitions. If Amorim wants to reach the highest heights, they need a reliable goalkeeper who plays well not in some games, but in every match. It is obvious that Onana is not that kind of goalkeeper and he makes fatal mistakes quite often.
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December 17, 2024, 05:45:42 AM
Your opinion is very right and even Onana once saved United goal from a penalty kick and last season Onana also did the same thing. So with such an appearance, Amorim still has confidence that Onana can be relied on and only needs a little improvement in MU defense. So currently Onana is likely to continue to be maintained in important matches and Amorim has no other reason than having to choose a backup goalkeeper who he thinks could actually be worse.
What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.
Onana is a quality goalkeeper and shouldn't be among the offloading list, because he is young with great potentials. I believe that as time passes on, Amorim will help Onana bring out the best in him. Currently, I don't see any goalkeeper in United that will bench Onana who is the first choice of any coach. I believe that soonest we will see the best of Onana.
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December 16, 2024, 11:52:41 PM
With the win over City, which I know isn't really a huge deal like it used to be, because City is doing terrible, I have to say this is going to be a good momentum for United as well. They are 7th right now in Europa, they are going to play against Rangers and Bucresti, so they should be able to get both wins there and be at top 8 for group stages. They are looking seriously decent as well, sure they still have a long way to go for premier league, they are looking bad there, but when you are talking about Europa, I think they are doing much better and that should be the most important part.

I believe the best part about all of this is to make sure that we are dealing with a team that is getting new players soon, and with that, they will be able to do better, with whoever Amorim wants on the team, I am sure that they are going to end up with a lot better situation so there isn't really anything that is going wrong for United at the moment, they are getting great.
Yes, it's true, this will be a very good momentum for Manchester United because they can win a prestigious derby match. The victory should make their mentality and morality better to play the upcoming matches, one of which is their schedule in the Europa League. In the Europa League itself, they have a very big chance to qualify directly without going through the play-off round, especially with their current situation. So far, Amorim has been able to lift the morale of the players in the squad, he can show a good process and of course that is a big hope for them to be able to return to their glory days.

Manchester United's victory against Manchester City was very important for them. Manchester City is a very strong team. On the other hand, Manchester United's performance has been very erratic since the beginning of the season. So far, Manchester United's performance has not been consistent. Even then, Manchester United won against Manchester City. As a result, the confidence of Manchester United players has naturally increased. If the players are confident, the overall performance of the team is stronger. I hope we will see better gameplay from Manchester United in the upcoming matches.
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December 16, 2024, 11:44:10 PM
The opponents themselves aren't the strongest, but overall they can give Manchester United a fight, but I'd be surprised if they lose. Not only are the teams less than average in comparison, but MU are on a winning streak, apparently the change of coach is slowly starting to work properly. See what happens in the end, but in the event they don't have it in them that they've fallen into a dire position in the table
Ranger and FCSB do not seem to be strong clubs but Man United still should not underestimate their opponents because usually underestimated clubs can provide unexpected surprises, therefore Man United must show their best regardless of their opponents, whether they are top clubs or not, the positions of their opponents are also not much different from Man United's position Rangers are in 8th place just below Man United with a difference of 1 point and FCSB is in 10th place so it can be said that their performance is not much different Man United must be careful when facing them.

I cannot call FCSB and Rangers as weak teams. Rangers are in eighth place and FCSB is in tenth place in the Europa League points table. Both FCSB and Rangers will have the target of being in the top 8 of the points table. So it will be difficult for Manchester United to win these two matches.

Manchester United won against Manchester City in the last match. Even then, it cannot be said that Manchester United is in very good form. Manchester United's overall performance is still irregular. On the other hand, Rangers' attack is very strong. If Manchester United's defense cannot play well against Rangers, then it will be very difficult for Manchester United to win this match.
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December 16, 2024, 10:53:20 PM
What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.
Maintaining Onana as the main goalkeeper in the Manchester United team is not a problem for Amorim as long as he is able to guide Onana to become the best goalkeeper in the team. Because what Manchester United needs to think about now is about several players to be placed in important positions so that Manchester United's strength can continue to improve and increase optimally this season. And when Manchester United can rise when coached by Amorim, he will also be very proud of his achievements.
Even though Onana's position is very central, if the other 10 players are able to play solidly, Manchester United can overcome their opponents and automatically Onana will also fight so as not to disappoint his teammates. Manchester United are unbeaten in the UEL, their chances of qualifying for the last 16 are very big, Amorim must be able to overcome the tough challenge from Rangers in the next match so that Manchester United can secure a place in the top 8.
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December 16, 2024, 10:32:17 PM

The opponents themselves aren't the strongest, but overall they can give Manchester United a fight, but I'd be surprised if they lose. Not only are the teams less than average in comparison, but MU are on a winning streak, apparently the change of coach is slowly starting to work properly. See what happens in the end, but in the event they don't have it in them that they've fallen into a dire position in the table
Ranger and FCSB do not seem to be strong clubs but Man United still should not underestimate their opponents because usually underestimated clubs can provide unexpected surprises, therefore Man United must show their best regardless of their opponents, whether they are top clubs or not, the positions of their opponents are also not much different from Man United's position Rangers are in 8th place just below Man United with a difference of 1 point and FCSB is in 10th place so it can be said that their performance is not much different Man United must be careful when facing them.
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December 16, 2024, 06:38:37 PM
Amorim has previously stated that he will still entrust the main goalkeeper position to onana after the blunder he made against plazen, so this shows a great form of trust in onana or either because they don't have a better goalkeeper to rely on at the moment, I think if onana can minimise making mistakes in every match maybe he will be a perfect goalkeeper with extraordinary reflexes, but indeed the silly actions he often does actually make him often considered the cause of manchester united defeat.

Talking about his future at manchester united, in my opinion he have a 50/50 chance to remain the main goalkeeper in the red devils squad next season, if Amorim recruits a new goalkeeper in the transfers market later.

My guess is that they don't have an alternative goalkeeper. They are rare and the only thing Amorim can do about it in the middle of the season is to express his trust for Onana or otherwise he would further weaken him. He has made mistakes repeatedly, but I think he was more stable recently apart from the game against Plzen, but they still won the game though.

It comes down to whether Manchester United is able to sign a new top goalkeeper or not. I doubt it because they are very likely going to not play in the Europa League next season and I don't think any great goalkeeper would decide to go to Manchester United if they can't play any of the bigger tournaments.

Onana loses his concentration sometimes and then he looks as if the lost orientation especially in the box. It's so vital for a goalkeeper to avoid the easy mistakes. The problem is if he defends five balls in a spectacular way but then makes a stupid mistake, the game can still be lost.
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December 16, 2024, 04:09:48 PM
With the win over City, which I know isn't really a huge deal like it used to be, because City is doing terrible, I have to say this is going to be a good momentum for United as well. They are 7th right now in Europa, they are going to play against Rangers and Bucresti, so they should be able to get both wins there and be at top 8 for group stages. They are looking seriously decent as well, sure they still have a long way to go for premier league, they are looking bad there, but when you are talking about Europa, I think they are doing much better and that should be the most important part.

I believe the best part about all of this is to make sure that we are dealing with a team that is getting new players soon, and with that, they will be able to do better, with whoever Amorim wants on the team, I am sure that they are going to end up with a lot better situation so there isn't really anything that is going wrong for United at the moment, they are getting great.


The opponents themselves aren't the strongest, but overall they can give Manchester United a fight, but I'd be surprised if they lose. Not only are the teams less than average in comparison, but MU are on a winning streak, apparently the change of coach is slowly starting to work properly. See what happens in the end, but in the event they don't have it in them that they've fallen into a dire position in the table
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December 16, 2024, 03:48:31 PM
I think if amorim had another option to replace Onana then he would be inclined to back up Onana at the moment, indeed in fact Onana is a good goalkeeper and has great reflexes, but the inconsistency and often making mistakes in crucial matches actually makes Manchester United fans worried, in my opinion, other than compulsion, there seems to be no other reason for amorim to play Onana in every game, although they have Tom Heaton and Bayindir as backup goalkeepers, but their performance is worse than Onana if we compared their stats, so I think if De Gea is currently still with Manchester United then it is very likely that Amorim will prefer De Gea as their main goalkeeper over Onana.
He does, they have a backup goalkeeper they hired from Fenerbahce a year ago, and they never considered him to play neither. Maybe it's something about training, but so far two managers and also Ruud has been there and none of them even tried it.

I mean ETH saw what Onana was like last season, dude was getting goals that looked like kid games and still kept Onana and didn't used the backup player. This tells me, either the backup is a terrible one, or they are just afraid that even though backup could be better, that could cause a lot of trouble with Onana to even make a test run with the backup one, could destroy Onanas confidence and would make him unhappy at the team as well. So it's a test I would love to see, but none of them tries it.
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December 16, 2024, 02:16:25 PM
In fact, since Amorim became the head coach of Manchester United, Onana has remained the first choice for Manchester United goalkeeper. That means, basically Amorim has no other choice for goalkeeper, although there are some backup goalkeepers too but still, Onana is the first choice. But even so, I personally feel that because Manchster United do not have a goalkeeper who is impressive enough compared to Onana, so Onana remains in the main squad. Because I am sure, if for example Manchester United have a better goalkeeper then  of course Onana will soon be replaced by  another goalkeeper. But yes, Onana is lucky because Manchester United do not have another goalkeeper who has better quality, so Onana, who previously played very well with Inter, has been the first choice in Manchester United's main squad until now.

I don't think Onana is a bad goalkeeper. He is a good enough goalkeeper. Manchester United now have three goalkeepers. Altay Bayindir, Tom Heaton and Onana. Onana is a much better goalkeeper compared to Bayindir and Heaton. Amorim probably doesn't think much about changing the goalkeeper. But I would say that Amorim should try his best to strengthen Manchester United's defense.

It is very important to make big changes in Manchester United's squad. Manchester United's squad has a lot of players. But most of the players are not suitable for Manchester United. So in the next transfer window, Amorim should start reorganizing the squad. Unnecessary players should be sold and talented players should be added to the squad.
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December 16, 2024, 12:39:15 PM
Your opinion is very right and even Onana once saved United goal from a penalty kick and last season Onana also did the same thing. So with such an appearance, Amorim still has confidence that Onana can be relied on and only needs a little improvement in MU defense. So currently Onana is likely to continue to be maintained in important matches and Amorim has no other reason than having to choose a backup goalkeeper who he thinks could actually be worse.
What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.
Amorim has previously stated that he will still entrust the main goalkeeper position to onana after the blunder he made against plazen, so this shows a great form of trust in onana or either because they don't have a better goalkeeper to rely on at the moment, I think if onana can minimise making mistakes in every match maybe he will be a perfect goalkeeper with extraordinary reflexes, but indeed the silly actions he often does actually make him often considered the cause of manchester united defeat.

Talking about his future at manchester united, in my opinion he have a 50/50 chance to remain the main goalkeeper in the red devils squad next season, if Amorim recruits a new goalkeeper in the transfers market later.
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December 16, 2024, 12:29:17 PM

It can be said that Manchester United improved performance is due to the Ruben Amorim effect. Most likely the Red Devils will be able to qualify for the last 16 automatically, because their next two matches are relatively easy. The Europa League offers a greater opportunity for Manchester United to return to the Champions League next season, of course they must be able to reach the final and win the trophy. Ruben Amorim certainly understands the opportunities that should be prioritized, and it must be admitted that Manchester United are now developing faster and better under his leadership. Besides, I think Rangers and FCSB will not be able to make Manchester United stumble.

It turns out that bookmakers have also recognized the Amorim effect, look at the odds:

Tottenham Hotspur - 5.50

Manchester United - 6.00

If I remember correctly, at one point (when Ten Hag was in charge and couldn't win games) United's odds were considered to be about twice as bad as Tottenham's. Now they are almost equal and I won’t be surprised if United soon becomes the main favorite of the tournament.
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December 16, 2024, 12:28:41 PM
Your opinion is very right and even Onana once saved United goal from a penalty kick and last season Onana also did the same thing. So with such an appearance, Amorim still has confidence that Onana can be relied on and only needs a little improvement in MU defense. So currently Onana is likely to continue to be maintained in important matches and Amorim has no other reason than having to choose a backup goalkeeper who he thinks could actually be worse.
What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.

In fact, since Amorim became the head coach of Manchester United, Onana has remained the first choice for Manchester United goalkeeper. That means, basically Amorim has no other choice for goalkeeper, although there are some backup goalkeepers too but still, Onana is the first choice. But even so, I personally feel that because Manchster United do not have a goalkeeper who is impressive enough compared to Onana, so Onana remains in the main squad. Because I am sure, if for example Manchester United have a better goalkeeper then  of course Onana will soon be replaced by  another goalkeeper. But yes, Onana is lucky because Manchester United do not have another goalkeeper who has better quality, so Onana, who previously played very well with Inter, has been the first choice in Manchester United's main squad until now.
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