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Quote from: hahay on December 16, 2024, 12:28:41 PM

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In fact, since Amorim became the head coach of Manchester United, Onana has remained the first choice for Manchester United goalkeeper. That means, basically Amorim has no other choice for goalkeeper, although there are some backup goalkeepers too but still, Onana is the first choice. But even so, I personally feel that because Manchster United do not have a goalkeeper who is impressive enough compared to Onana, so Onana remains in the main squad. Because I am sure, if for example Manchester United have a better goalkeeper then of course Onana will soon be replaced by another goalkeeper. But yes, Onana is lucky because Manchester United do not have another goalkeeper who has better quality, so Onana, who previously played very well with Inter, has been the first choice in Manchester United's main squad until now.

I don't think Onana is a bad goalkeeper. He is a good enough goalkeeper. Manchester United now have three goalkeepers. Altay Bayindir, Tom Heaton and Onana. Onana is a much better goalkeeper compared to Bayindir and Heaton. Amorim probably doesn't think much about changing the goalkeeper. But I would say that Amorim should try his best to strengthen Manchester United's defense.

It is very important to make big changes in Manchester United's squad. Manchester United's squad has a lot of players. But most of the players are not suitable for Manchester United. So in the next transfer window, Amorim should start reorganizing the squad. Unnecessary players should be sold and talented players should be added to the squad.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on December 16, 2024, 10:41:04 AM

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Your opinion is very right and even Onana once saved United goal from a penalty kick and last season Onana also did the same thing. So with such an appearance, Amorim still has confidence that Onana can be relied on and only needs a little improvement in MU defense. So currently Onana is likely to continue to be maintained in important matches and Amorim has no other reason than having to choose a backup goalkeeper who he thinks could actually be worse.

What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.

Amorim has previously stated that he will still entrust the main goalkeeper position to onana after the blunder he made against plazen, so this shows a great form of trust in onana or either because they don't have a better goalkeeper to rely on at the moment, I think if onana can minimise making mistakes in every match maybe he will be a perfect goalkeeper with extraordinary reflexes, but indeed the silly actions he often does actually make him often considered the cause of manchester united defeat.

Talking about his future at manchester united, in my opinion he have a 50/50 chance to remain the main goalkeeper in the red devils squad next season, if Amorim recruits a new goalkeeper in the transfers market later.

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Quote from: imamusma on December 16, 2024, 12:15:04 PM

It can be said that Manchester United improved performance is due to the Ruben Amorim effect. Most likely the Red Devils will be able to qualify for the last 16 automatically, because their next two matches are relatively easy. The Europa League offers a greater opportunity for Manchester United to return to the Champions League next season, of course they must be able to reach the final and win the trophy. Ruben Amorim certainly understands the opportunities that should be prioritized, and it must be admitted that Manchester United are now developing faster and better under his leadership. Besides, I think Rangers and FCSB will not be able to make Manchester United stumble.

It turns out that bookmakers have also recognized the Amorim effect, look at the odds:

Tottenham Hotspur - 5.50

Manchester United - 6.00

If I remember correctly, at one point (when Ten Hag was in charge and couldn't win games) United's odds were considered to be about twice as bad as Tottenham's. Now they are almost equal and I won’t be surprised if United soon becomes the main favorite of the tournament.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on December 16, 2024, 10:41:04 AM

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Your opinion is very right and even Onana once saved United goal from a penalty kick and last season Onana also did the same thing. So with such an appearance, Amorim still has confidence that Onana can be relied on and only needs a little improvement in MU defense. So currently Onana is likely to continue to be maintained in important matches and Amorim has no other reason than having to choose a backup goalkeeper who he thinks could actually be worse.

What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.

In fact, since Amorim became the head coach of Manchester United, Onana has remained the first choice for Manchester United goalkeeper. That means, basically Amorim has no other choice for goalkeeper, although there are some backup goalkeepers too but still, Onana is the first choice. But even so, I personally feel that because Manchster United do not have a goalkeeper who is impressive enough compared to Onana, so Onana remains in the main squad. Because I am sure, if for example Manchester United have a better goalkeeper then of course Onana will soon be replaced by another goalkeeper. But yes, Onana is lucky because Manchester United do not have another goalkeeper who has better quality, so Onana, who previously played very well with Inter, has been the first choice in Manchester United's main squad until now.

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Slowly but surely, Manchester United managed to improve their performance to maintain their chances of qualifying for the knock-out round without having to go through the play-off round, now they are in 7th place with 12 points collected.

They are indeed quite visible results of their efforts so far. Even in 6 Europa League matches, Man United has never lost once. Starting with a series of draws in a row, until finally becoming consecutive wins too. So, slowly but surely, in the end Man United managed to be in 7th position and Man United also managed to enter the round of 16 or knockout phase play-offs. Man United's development really started since Ten Hag was fired and replaced by Ruud van Nistelrooy who managed to convince the players that they could make Man United rise again.

It can be said that Manchester United improved performance is due to the Ruben Amorim effect. Most likely the Red Devils will be able to qualify for the last 16 automatically, because their next two matches are relatively easy. The Europa League offers a greater opportunity for Manchester United to return to the Champions League next season, of course they must be able to reach the final and win the trophy. Ruben Amorim certainly understands the opportunities that should be prioritized, and it must be admitted that Manchester United are now developing faster and better under his leadership. Besides, I think Rangers and FCSB will not be able to make Manchester United stumble.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on December 16, 2024, 10:41:04 AM

What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.

Maintaining Onana as the main goalkeeper in the Manchester United team is not a problem for Amorim as long as he is able to guide Onana to become the best goalkeeper in the team. Because what Manchester United needs to think about now is about several players to be placed in important positions so that Manchester United's strength can continue to improve and increase optimally this season. And when Manchester United can rise when coached by Amorim, he will also be very proud of his achievements.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on December 16, 2024, 08:14:31 AM

With the win over City, which I know isn't really a huge deal like it used to be, because City is doing terrible, I have to say this is going to be a good momentum for United as well. They are 7th right now in Europa, they are going to play against Rangers and Bucresti, so they should be able to get both wins there and be at top 8 for group stages. They are looking seriously decent as well, sure they still have a long way to go for premier league, they are looking bad there, but when you are talking about Europa, I think they are doing much better and that should be the most important part.

I believe the best part about all of this is to make sure that we are dealing with a team that is getting new players soon, and with that, they will be able to do better, with whoever Amorim wants on the team, I am sure that they are going to end up with a lot better situation so there isn't really anything that is going wrong for United at the moment, they are getting great.

Well a win over Manchester city for almost a decade is a huge win for any team in the world, Manchester city are currently doing very badly in all competitions, pep Guadiola haven't experienced this in his entire career as a coach. Amorim already beat pep Guadiola Manchester city already this seasom with sporting and doing it again was almost unbelievable but he did and kudos to the all Manchester united family but I think on the hand i think it too soon to praise Amorim work. He has played 5 premier league games, winning just 2 losing 2 and draw one, the problem is when you check the teams he has played against you will agree with me that he is suppose to have more wins than he did already.

Of course with the coming transfer window player will be added to the Manchester united squad and also players will possibly leave too. I will judge Amorim till the end of the season. Top 4 is going to be very hard for him this season but let see if he can get them into any European competition next season.

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Quote from: len01 on December 16, 2024, 01:53:47 AM

Your opinion is very right and even Onana once saved United goal from a penalty kick and last season Onana also did the same thing. So with such an appearance, Amorim still has confidence that Onana can be relied on and only needs a little improvement in MU defense. So currently Onana is likely to continue to be maintained in important matches and Amorim has no other reason than having to choose a backup goalkeeper who he thinks could actually be worse.

What I am to be sure about Onana's future at Manchester United is that, he is not going anywhere, he is not among the players that would be let go from the Manchester United squad, which means that his future as Manchester United's no.1 goalkeeper is certain under Amorim. Amorim will still be needing his service till when he chooses to let him go, for any goalkeeper but for the time being he remains the no.1 goalkeeper, not to be replaced.

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Quote from: reagansimms on December 16, 2024, 09:53:15 AM

Slowly but surely, Manchester United managed to improve their performance to maintain their chances of qualifying for the knock-out round without having to go through the play-off round, now they are in 7th place with 12 points collected.

They are indeed quite visible results of their efforts so far. Even in 6 Europa League matches, Man United has never lost once. Starting with a series of draws in a row, until finally becoming consecutive wins too. So, slowly but surely, in the end Man United managed to be in 7th position and Man United also managed to enter the round of 16 or knockout phase play-offs. Man United's development really started since Ten Hag was fired and replaced by Ruud van Nistelrooy who managed to convince the players that they could make Man United rise again.

Source: Seven teams confirm their place in the round of 16 or knockout phase play-offs

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Yes, it's true, this will be a very good momentum for Manchester United because they can win a prestigious derby match. The victory should make their mentality and morality better to play the upcoming matches, one of which is their schedule in the Europa League. In the Europa League itself, they have a very big chance to qualify directly without going through the play-off round, especially with their current situation. So far, Amorim has been able to lift the morale of the players in the squad, he can show a good process and of course that is a big hope for them to be able to return to their glory days.

Slowly but surely, Manchester United managed to improve their performance to maintain their chances of qualifying for the knock-out round without having to go through the play-off round, now they are in 7th place with 12 points collected. Victory over Manchester City can boost their confidence to face Rangers in match 7, this match is very important for Man United to maintain their position in the top 8 because currently Rangers are one rank below them.
Amorim has asked the management to bring in several new players in the January transfer market, their strength is increasing with the arrival of several new players in preparation to compete with other teams.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on December 16, 2024, 08:14:31 AM

With the win over City, which I know isn't really a huge deal like it used to be, because City is doing terrible, I have to say this is going to be a good momentum for United as well. They are 7th right now in Europa, they are going to play against Rangers and Bucresti, so they should be able to get both wins there and be at top 8 for group stages. They are looking seriously decent as well, sure they still have a long way to go for premier league, they are looking bad there, but when you are talking about Europa, I think they are doing much better and that should be the most important part.

I believe the best part about all of this is to make sure that we are dealing with a team that is getting new players soon, and with that, they will be able to do better, with whoever Amorim wants on the team, I am sure that they are going to end up with a lot better situation so there isn't really anything that is going wrong for United at the moment, they are getting great.

Yes, it's true, this will be a very good momentum for Manchester United because they can win a prestigious derby match. The victory should make their mentality and morality better to play the upcoming matches, one of which is their schedule in the Europa League. In the Europa League itself, they have a very big chance to qualify directly without going through the play-off round, especially with their current situation. So far, Amorim has been able to lift the morale of the players in the squad, he can show a good process and of course that is a big hope for them to be able to return to their glory days.

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Quote from: len01 on December 16, 2024, 01:53:47 AM

Your opinion is very right and even Onana once saved United goal from a penalty kick and last season Onana also did the same thing. So with such an appearance, Amorim still has confidence that Onana can be relied on and only needs a little improvement in MU defense. So currently Onana is likely to continue to be maintained in important matches and Amorim has no other reason than having to choose a backup goalkeeper who he thinks could actually be worse.

When there's options to pick from, I doubt if anyone actually does get the opportunity to become the only choice and somehow that feels like the case with onana and Amorim, he's not been a bad goal keeper but if there was a much better option, I believe amorim would have loved to explore that without a second taught, onana was actually perfectly fitting into ten hags tactics but for Amorim he's not a perfect fit just yet though he's been performing well which I don't undermine but from a very technical point of view, he may be not be an exact fit and if Amorim have the options he wouldn't hesitate, just to make you understand better The exclusion of Rashford and granacho in yesterdays fixture and he still won the game giving him an insight into the possibilities around still doing better with the options hes got away from this guys so if hr does with onana then you are sure going to see what I'm saying play out but untill then all the best to onana.

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With the win over City, which I know isn't really a huge deal like it used to be, because City is doing terrible, I have to say this is going to be a good momentum for United as well. They are 7th right now in Europa, they are going to play against Rangers and Bucresti, so they should be able to get both wins there and be at top 8 for group stages. They are looking seriously decent as well, sure they still have a long way to go for premier league, they are looking bad there, but when you are talking about Europa, I think they are doing much better and that should be the most important part.

I believe the best part about all of this is to make sure that we are dealing with a team that is getting new players soon, and with that, they will be able to do better, with whoever Amorim wants on the team, I am sure that they are going to end up with a lot better situation so there isn't really anything that is going wrong for United at the moment, they are getting great.

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Quote from: mammusu on December 16, 2024, 04:56:08 AM

I think if amorim had another option to replace Onana then he would be inclined to back up Onana at the moment, indeed in fact Onana is a good goalkeeper and has great reflexes, but the inconsistency and often making mistakes in crucial matches actually makes Manchester United fans worried, in my opinion, other than compulsion, there seems to be no other reason for amorim to play Onana in every game, although they have Tom Heaton and Bayindir as backup goalkeepers, but their performance is worse than Onana if we compared their stats.

For Onana to still be getting the pick from all the managers that have managed Manchester United in the last few months, I have to say Onana is the best out of all the goalkeeper in the club. We don't see their training session so maybe he's performing very well in those training sessions for him to be considered the best choice to use at the goal post. But still I think the manager should give others a chance and they might suprise him for being their best choice at the post. Some goal keepers get their breakthrough when they get given a chance and I think that's what will happen to any of the others bejng given the chance to represent the club

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By the way Galatasaray really disappointed me with their horrible defensive performance against Malmo. Sad

By now, it should be very clear that Galatasaray have one of the poorest defence in the Europa league. They're currently in #6 place but could've been a lot higher if their defence was any better. The only reason they're not down with Fenerbahce in the bottom 8 is because they have one of the best offense in the Europa league this season.

Now, even if Galatasaray is up 3-0 at half time, you can't be comfortable with that lead till the final whistle.

I used to think the best defense is more offense but Galatasaray is trying hard to deter me from such thoughts.

Galatasaray was the away team in their UEFA Europa League game at Malmo on last Thursday but for a team with such quality of players, I was expecting them to at least protect their lead till the final whistle but surprisingly, they conceded a 92nd minute goal which denied them a victory. I think the Turkish champions still ranks as one of the favorites to win the UEFA Europa League this season but for them to achieve that, they'll have to be formidable than they are currently of you ask me.

I didn't expect them to draw against Malmö either. I think Galatasaray has the players to beat them but it was disappointing that they couldn't do it. They are one of the best teams this year but they are so inconsistent. They played legendary against Tottenham but they also played terrible in the Rigas and Malmö games. They easily lost points in the games they were considered favorites.

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Maybe for some supporters of The Red Devil the most important thing is that they win the match, even with an ugly win. but not for Amorim, he often says that his team is not playing as it should. he wants his system to run perfectly, he wants a game that really looks good and is worth enjoying. however, in any case the victory is important especially to raise the motivation and spirit of the team to try harder to adjust to the system that Amorim applies while fighting hard to return to being an elite team in various competitions. this is Manchester United's transition to a better direction, whether or not they are able to do it will be determined by time. but at least now their strikers are starting to get used to scoring goals, Amorim just needs to remind them more, including the other lines. as for Onana, he sometimes performs very badly even though he often shows his actions with brilliant saves. well, I agree with Rashford, he is quite selfish. lately Rashford is not like the first time Ten Hag handled United, his performance has declined significantly and he could be released. by the way United's next match will be against Rangers, in terms of depth Amorim's team is more competitive. maybe as you said, the most important thing is to win and get full points.

After the turbulent era under Ten Hag, what's most important for Manchester United now is simply winning, regardless of how they achieve it. Victory will be make Ruben Amorim as the new coach earn him more respect from both players and fans, and I think that's the main thing needed in this transitional period. Gradually, Manchester United are starting to show improvement in every area, and to reach the Europa League Round of 16, I'm confident Manchester United will qualify comfortably. Besides that, a player like Rashford deserves to be sold, and I think that might happen in the upcoming summer transfer window.

Manchester United currently have the potential to rise. Their performance is increasing day by day. They are also playing better under manager Ruben Amorim. They are also getting a good performance from Hojlund. The old manager was not using him as he should have. However, the Portuguese manager is using him in the best position and they have Hojlund who has scored five goals in the last six games. This cannot be a coincidence. They beat Manchester City and boosted their morale. With this, I think they will be in the top ranks in the Europa League and will be one of the most important candidates for the championship.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on December 15, 2024, 05:29:31 PM

By now, it should be very clear that Galatasaray have one of the poorest defence in the Europa league. They're currently in #6 place but could've been a lot higher if their defence was any better. The only reason they're not down with Fenerbahce in the bottom 8 is because they have one of the best offense in the Europa league this season.

Now, even if Galatasaray is up 3-0 at half time, you can't be comfortable with that lead till the final whistle.

I used to think the best defense is more offense but Galatasaray is trying hard to deter me from such thoughts.

I totally agree with your comment on Galatasaray defense. The number of goals they have conceded (11) is nearly the same as Malmo (12) which are at the 31th position now. If it weren't for that scoring performance there is no way they would have been in top 6. Sad

They are just making things more difficult for themselves by not improving their defending.

They actually have a great defender like Davinson Sanchez but this isn't enough. They don't have proper backs. Jakobs has been injured and a midfielder had to play in his position.

They don't even have a real RB. This is why Okan Buruk has been trying a formation with 3 defenders however this is making their defense more vulnerable.

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Quote from: imamusma on December 15, 2024, 04:20:20 PM

After the turbulent era under Ten Hag, what's most important for Manchester United now is simply winning, regardless of how they achieve it. Victory will be make Ruben Amorim as the new coach earn him more respect from both players and fans, and I think that's the main thing needed in this transitional period. Gradually, Manchester United are starting to show improvement in every area, and to reach the Europa League Round of 16, I'm confident Manchester United will qualify comfortably. Besides that, a player like Rashford deserves to be sold, and I think that might happen in the upcoming summer transfer window.

This sounds o me like making conclusions from victory gotten of one game, although I know that there have been some noticable changes in the performance and play of United but then they aren't completely back in to that perfect form that will give us the full confidence in their abilities, hopefully amorim gets them their and win the confidence of fans and the management and even the squad but then hags erra wasn't really a turbulence it was just a case of improper synergy within players and coach which has some injury cases to add to the whole situation and finally a case of tactical decline towards the end of his stay.

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The reserve goalkeeper owned by Manchester United is actually also good, but I don't know why the coach didn't give him the opportunity to play in the Premier League and Onana was more trusted to lead the team even though he often made blunders. Onana came to Manchester United as one of the best goalkeepers in Serie-A and maybe that's why the coach saw his abilities much better, but when playing at Manchester United, his performance was not as good as before because maybe the Premier League is different from Serie-A. Amorim's task is not easy because building a more solid team cannot be done instantly and most recently they managed to beat Manchester City in the Premier League quite crucially and that was the most difficult victory for Amorim from several that have taken place.

There must be a reason why Amorim prefers Onana compared to the reserve goalkeepers in the squad, yes, even with the inconsistency that he often shows in several matches. But sometimes he can also be a savior for the team.
This is a job that must be done, how Amorim must be able to ensure that his players can play more consistently, because that is one of the problems they often face even before Amorim came to Manchester United.
Indeed, ups and downs in performance are something common, but if it happens in just 1 match, it is a problem, which will also have an impact on the team.

I think if amorim had another option to replace Onana then he would be inclined to back up Onana at the moment, indeed in fact Onana is a good goalkeeper and has great reflexes, but the inconsistency and often making mistakes in crucial matches actually makes Manchester United fans worried, in my opinion, other than compulsion, there seems to be no other reason for amorim to play Onana in every game, although they have Tom Heaton and Bayindir as backup goalkeepers, but their performance is worse than Onana if we compared their stats, so I think if De Gea is currently still with Manchester United then it is very likely that Amorim will prefer De Gea as their main goalkeeper over Onana.

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I am also quite confused with Onana's performance, sometimes he plays well as the team's savior, but sometimes he is also a player who brings disaster to the team with his blunders.
Currently, he is the one available in the team that Amorim can trust. Although there are still many shortcomings that Amorim must resolve, he will still be required to give his best for United.
Not expecting much for United this season. They can qualify for the next round of the Europa League, which would also be quite good. Plus improving United's position in the Premier League standings until the end of the season should be possible for Amorim.

The reserve goalkeeper owned by Manchester United is actually also good, but I don't know why the coach didn't give him the opportunity to play in the Premier League and Onana was more trusted to lead the team even though he often made blunders. Onana came to Manchester United as one of the best goalkeepers in Serie-A and maybe that's why the coach saw his abilities much better, but when playing at Manchester United, his performance was not as good as before because maybe the Premier League is different from Serie-A. Amorim's task is not easy because building a more solid team cannot be done instantly and most recently they managed to beat Manchester City in the Premier League quite crucially and that was the most difficult victory for Amorim from several that have taken place.

Yes, I watched the match. The ones who were behind finally managed to make a comeback and secured 3 valuable points from a tough derby match. But hopefully, good results will also be obtained by United in the Europa League. Their current performance has improved although there are still some gaps where their cooperation is not running smoothly.
They have 2 matches left in the Europa League, and their position in the standings has also improved. If they manage to win against Rangers in the next match maybe United can secure a ticket to the next round. Currently, the competition is still quite tight, so they must continue to focus.

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