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Quote from: Zanab247 on December 07, 2024, 12:56:27 AM

I'm not the fans of Manchester united, but I can tell you categorically that Manchester united will improve in this season, but they will not going to lift the UEFA champion league trophy this season which is my prediction and also my observation in their performance in this season.

Improvements will come but not with the lazy ass players they have in that squad who go on to play well in a game and the other useless. It breaks my heart because this are players with high payrolls. Lifting the Champions League Competition? That's laughable if any man utd fan ever thought they'd do that. The least I also think they can get this season is trying to get back into top four otherwise, they'll be foked!

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Quote from: pusaka on December 06, 2024, 10:56:24 AM

Well now at the beginning this is a good start for Amorim. However, we also can't be that quick in concluding Amorim's performance.

It is still too early to judge Amorim's performance. We have to wait for him to form his team, not just the players currently in the squad, but he will clearly demand United to bring in the players he wants to achieve his targets. But at least this season, he must have a target or progress that shows a big improvement in United's game. In several matches now, we can see it but I'm sure Amorim has not judged it optimally. If Amorim shows satisfactory results this season, I'm sure Amorim will have a better and longer chance than Ten Hag.

Everyone should calm down and watch how Amorim will transform the team and don't expect him to just start winning match with a team that has lost their bearing long ago. He needs time and some additional players for him to build the team to his taste. I have faith in him that he will bring back United glorious days back to Old Trafford.

I guess Manchester united new coach has a good plan for the team, if they can give him more chance to revive the team because the team has won some games since they signed the new coach in, to be Manchester united coach which is among the evidence people want to see before they can believe that he is capable to revive the team in the long run. Despite Arsenal beat Manchester united 2:0 in the premier league in their home doesn't mean Manchester united are not getting it right in other tournaments, compared to last season and moreover Arsenal are stronger than Manchester united in this tournament because their coach has found solution to some mistakes that happened last season.

I'm not the fans of Manchester united, but I can tell you categorically that Manchester united will improve in this season, but they will not going to lift the UEFA champion league trophy this season which is my prediction and also my observation in their performance in this season.

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Quote from: Farma on December 06, 2024, 03:13:49 AM

In Europa League always presents surprises so there is nothing wrong if someone favors Manchester United to win Europa League this season.
Amorim has now shown that he can make a difference to the performance of the Manchester United team even though it has not been seen significantly but over time I am sure changes will continue to occur and also the Manchester United squad is filled with players who have good quality so that can also be a consideration to make it easier with Amorim.

Of course there will be surprises in every season in the fight for trophies and maybe Manchester United is included in one of the candidates to win the European league but if you look at the chances based on the quality of the game they show, it is still very small unless they get lucky like Atalanta last season in beating Leverkusen who were in their best form. I prefer to see the chances based on team performance and maybe we can do some analysis for their strengths. Amorim's journey is also still quite long and maybe some adjustments are needed so that Manchester United's game will be better in the future.

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Quote from: Juse14 on December 06, 2024, 11:05:29 AM

I have not seen any significant improvement since Amorin came to Old Trafford, Manchester United is still a team that fills the middle of the standings. Amorin's target in the Premier League is to finish in the top 4 of the standings because Amorin wants to bring Manchester United to the most prestigious competition in Europe, the Champions League. And of course this is not an easy target for Manchester United to achieve, considering the competition at the top of the standings is quite tight.

On the other hand, the target to win the UEFA Europa League trophy can be said to be quite realistic because there is still a chance for Manchester United to advance to the next phase, although in the remaining three matches they will face a fairly strong team. This is not easy, but if Amorin is able to make positive changes in your body and is able to perform more consistently, then everything will be possible.

This is true, I said this on their very first game, because I knew what I saw and I knew that the team can't play the style Amorim wants them to play, this doesn't make Amorim a bad coach, and doesn't make United a terrible team (although they are, not because of this reason) it was just clear that it is not a good fit at all. United is required to play with way too much press now, and they are not good at it, and everyone said wait for it and give him some time.

Now it's been a while, and we are still seeing them not do that well, and people are still saying it is too early to call. I think it's enough amount of games to say that both sides could be decent, but the reality is that it's just not fitting together that well. Only way to improve this would be letting Amorim make transfers that would fit his system better, and if they can do that then they are going to end up with a good result, but with the team he is given right now? I do not think so.

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Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on December 06, 2024, 01:09:47 AM

Of course there is nothing wrong but we also need to see the opportunities and support to predict the strength of one of the teams that want to compete for the title. Manchester United is indeed much better now but we see that there are still many things that need to be done by Amorim, in the Premier League they lost to Arsenal so there are still many things that need to be fixed or improved. For this season Manchester United is still trying to build team performance and I have not seen their chances for the title competition will be more open, but anything can happen if Amorim can change Manchester United to be better in a short time.

I think sometimes a team has something that is being prioritized. I mean maybe in the EPL when playing against Arsenal, MU was only able to get a defeat but in fact when playing against other popular teams like Chelsea etc., Man United had good results. On the one hand for me the performance in the EPL will not affect MU performance in the European league. Because maybe for Amorim chasing the EPL title is something difficult and will prioritize the European league title to get a more prestigious title and appear simple when playing against top teams in the EPL.

There was no way Manchester United would have defeated Arsenal because they met Arsenal at a time when Arsenal is ready to swallow any team they will meet within this period. Manchester United is not in a bad shape either but we can't compare their strengths with that of Arsenal because Arsenal have been major competitors in the Premier for some seasons now unlike Manchester United that is just trying to revive themselves. Even if Amorim wants to prioritize the Europa League more than the EPL but it doesn't mean they should not focus on the premier league and at least make it to the top four in order to qualify for the Champions League next season, that should be their most target since the team is picking up in performance

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on December 06, 2024, 11:14:59 AM

Quote from: pusaka on December 06, 2024, 10:56:24 AM

Well now at the beginning this is a good start for Amorim. However, we also can't be that quick in concluding Amorim's performance.

It is still too early to judge Amorim's performance. We have to wait for him to form his team, not just the players currently in the squad, but he will clearly demand United to bring in the players he wants to achieve his targets. But at least this season, he must have a target or progress that shows a big improvement in United's game. In several matches now, we can see it but I'm sure Amorim has not judged it optimally. If Amorim shows satisfactory results this season, I'm sure Amorim will have a better and longer chance than Ten Hag.

There are still many possibilities that will happen in the future, because it seems like being a head coach at Manchester United is not very easy. Because after all, Manchester United have also often changed coaches, but until now they have still failed to make Manchester United even better. Thus, I think we also cannot expect too much from Amorim because if the result is failure, then of course it will also make fans very disappointed. After all, so far Amorim has also succeeded in making Manchester United get points but I in fact, when Manchester United playing with more difficult challenges the fact is that Manchester United can still be defeated. Thus, there are still many good results to prove and whether Amorim will be more successful than Erik ten Hag or not, we will not know for now.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on December 06, 2024, 11:14:59 AM

Quote from: pusaka on December 06, 2024, 10:56:24 AM

Well now at the beginning this is a good start for Amorim. However, we also can't be that quick in concluding Amorim's performance.

It is still too early to judge Amorim's performance. We have to wait for him to form his team, not just the players currently in the squad, but he will clearly demand United to bring in the players he wants to achieve his targets. But at least this season, he must have a target or progress that shows a big improvement in United's game. In several matches now, we can see it but I'm sure Amorim has not judged it optimally. If Amorim shows satisfactory results this season, I'm sure Amorim will have a better and longer chance than Ten Hag.

Everyone should calm down and watch how Amorim will transform the team and don't expect him to just start winning match with a team that has lost their bearing long ago. He needs time and some additional players for him to build the team to his taste. I have faith in him that he will bring back United glorious days back to Old Trafford.

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Quote from: eightdots on December 06, 2024, 11:17:29 AM

The competition in the Premier League is very high and these competitions are very difficult for Manchester United to cope with. We will see if Amorim's arrival will change some things, but it may take a long time for the team to reach a good level. Their defeat against Arsenal was expected because there is a difference in quality between the two teams.

The UEFA Europa League is a more realistic target for Manchester United because they have a better chance here compared to the league matches. The importance the new manager will give to European matches can also determine the direction of the team. Therefore, there are many things that are not yet clear for the new manager and the team.

While I agree that Europa is a more realistic target, it's also something quite worrying if they do not climb up the standings at premier league as well. We should be seeing them doing much better, it shouldn't be taking this long and we are going to need to see them do much better without a doubt.

If they end up doing nothing, then they are not going to get the results at premier league they were hoping for neither. They didn't hired Amorim just to do well at Europa, they hired him so they would do well at Premier league as well. They should finish in top 7 or so, and go to UEFA competitions on their own merit as well, I understand top 4 is no longer a possibility so they won't go to UCL, but at least be n top 7. Then, if they do win Europa, they could still go to UCL.

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Roma's performance in the Europa League platform is very weak this season. We have seen Roma win only one match out of 5 matches. Roma's position in the table is currently 21st. The team has only gained 6 points in 5 matches. Roma has lost the last four matches in Serie A. And is in 15th place in the table. From this, it can be understood that Roma is struggling a lot this season.

However, Roma's opponent in the next match is Braga. Braga is two steps ahead of Roma in the Europa League points table. However, Braga cannot be considered very strong compared to Roma. Braga's overall performance is also very weak. Braga's defense is especially not strong. I believe that Roma's attacking players can break Braga's defense if they can play a little better. However, since Roma's performance is still irregular, I have decided not to bet on this match.

I am not sure that AS Roma will be able to make it to the semi-finals like they did two seasons ago, especially since their current performance is really messy. Roma is currently under Ranieri's guidance, but it seems that they have not shown much better development. Roma actually has a pretty good depth of players, at least they are a strong team in the Europa League. But unfortunately they were only able to win one of five matches, draw three and lose one. A far cry from the previous season, regardless of the new Europa League format. Sitting in 21st place seems to require extra effort from the players and coaches, they have to rise, play solidly like a team, especially one with a big name. However, I am very doubtful about AS Roma's performance, even some of their newcomers have not been able to show their abilities. In the 6th session of the Europa League qualifiers, Roma will host Sporting Braga, a home match that they should have taken advantage of. As you said, Braga is not stronger than Roma. Unfortunately, Roma's performance is really messy and it is not impossible that they will lose in the 6th session later. But let's just wait and see whether Ranieri can lead his team to victory. It will be interesting to wait for the results

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Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on December 06, 2024, 01:09:47 AM

Of course there is nothing wrong but we also need to see the opportunities and support to predict the strength of one of the teams that want to compete for the title. Manchester United is indeed much better now but we see that there are still many things that need to be done by Amorim, in the Premier League they lost to Arsenal so there are still many things that need to be fixed or improved. For this season Manchester United is still trying to build team performance and I have not seen their chances for the title competition will be more open, but anything can happen if Amorim can change Manchester United to be better in a short time.

I think sometimes a team has something that is being prioritized. I mean maybe in the EPL when playing against Arsenal, MU was only able to get a defeat but in fact when playing against other popular teams like Chelsea etc., Man United had good results. On the one hand for me the performance in the EPL will not affect MU performance in the European league. Because maybe for Amorim chasing the EPL title is something difficult and will prioritize the European league title to get a more prestigious title and appear simple when playing against top teams in the EPL.

I have not seen any significant improvement since Amorin came to Old Trafford, Manchester United is still a team that fills the middle of the standings. Amorin's target in the Premier League is to finish in the top 4 of the standings because Amorin wants to bring Manchester United to the most prestigious competition in Europe, the Champions League. And of course this is not an easy target for Manchester United to achieve, considering the competition at the top of the standings is quite tight.

On the other hand, the target to win the UEFA Europa League trophy can be said to be quite realistic because there is still a chance for Manchester United to advance to the next phase, although in the remaining three matches they will face a fairly strong team. This is not easy, but if Amorin is able to make positive changes in your body and is able to perform more consistently, then everything will be possible.

The competition in the Premier League is very high and these competitions are very difficult for Manchester United to cope with. We will see if Amorim's arrival will change some things, but it may take a long time for the team to reach a good level. Their defeat against Arsenal was expected because there is a difference in quality between the two teams.

The UEFA Europa League is a more realistic target for Manchester United because they have a better chance here compared to the league matches. The importance the new manager will give to European matches can also determine the direction of the team. Therefore, there are many things that are not yet clear for the new manager and the team.

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Quote from: pusaka on December 06, 2024, 10:56:24 AM

Well now at the beginning this is a good start for Amorim. However, we also can't be that quick in concluding Amorim's performance.

It is still too early to judge Amorim's performance. We have to wait for him to form his team, not just the players currently in the squad, but he will clearly demand United to bring in the players he wants to achieve his targets. But at least this season, he must have a target or progress that shows a big improvement in United's game. In several matches now, we can see it but I'm sure Amorim has not judged it optimally. If Amorim shows satisfactory results this season, I'm sure Amorim will have a better and longer chance than Ten Hag.

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Quote from: len01 on December 06, 2024, 09:29:43 AM

Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on December 06, 2024, 01:09:47 AM

Of course there is nothing wrong but we also need to see the opportunities and support to predict the strength of one of the teams that want to compete for the title. Manchester United is indeed much better now but we see that there are still many things that need to be done by Amorim, in the Premier League they lost to Arsenal so there are still many things that need to be fixed or improved. For this season Manchester United is still trying to build team performance and I have not seen their chances for the title competition will be more open, but anything can happen if Amorim can change Manchester United to be better in a short time.

I think sometimes a team has something that is being prioritized. I mean maybe in the EPL when playing against Arsenal, MU was only able to get a defeat but in fact when playing against other popular teams like Chelsea etc., Man United had good results. On the one hand for me the performance in the EPL will not affect MU performance in the European league. Because maybe for Amorim chasing the EPL title is something difficult and will prioritize the European league title to get a more prestigious title and appear simple when playing against top teams in the EPL.

I have not seen any significant improvement since Amorin came to Old Trafford, Manchester United is still a team that fills the middle of the standings. Amorin's target in the Premier League is to finish in the top 4 of the standings because Amorin wants to bring Manchester United to the most prestigious competition in Europe, the Champions League. And of course this is not an easy target for Manchester United to achieve, considering the competition at the top of the standings is quite tight.

On the other hand, the target to win the UEFA Europa League trophy can be said to be quite realistic because there is still a chance for Manchester United to advance to the next phase, although in the remaining three matches they will face a fairly strong team. This is not easy, but if Amorin is able to make positive changes in your body and is able to perform more consistently, then everything will be possible.

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I think the reason the management of Manchester United waited for too long before sacking Erik ten Hag was because they had faith in the Dutch man and wanted to see him return the club to winning ways but the longer they waited for improvement the poorer the team performed.
The good thing is that the club have finally taken the bold decision and have signed a manager that have a proven record of succeeding with an average team. The new manager Ruben Amorim have already changed the playing style of the club and I believe he'll achieve more than his predecessor.

In as much as your point is very valid, I wouldn't agree to the fact that the records of the new manager is a prove he's going to do better at Manchester United, the team he headed before coming to old Trafford wasn't a n average team in their league actually they are top five in their league just that the variation in league is what we can see as different, now getting adopted to the competitive nature of the premier league which is much higher than the former league where he was heading a team, is another thing he will.need to adjust to, so far he's been progressive with his build up with the team and that should be applauded and let's hope for the best.

Many people are waiting for Manchester United's decision to fire Erik Ten Hag quickly, maybe they first gave him a chance in the hope that there would be significant changes that could be shown, but until he was fired, he did not show anything about the progress of the team he was handling.
I can't say I agree or disagree about Manchester United being considered too long in making a decision. Because in any case they will definitely consider before they make a decision, because the decision they make should not make Manchester United better.
Well now at the beginning this is a good start for Amorim. However, we also can't be that quick in concluding Amorim's performance.

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Quote from: Adams0001 on December 06, 2024, 10:27:08 AM

Arsenal are significantly superior to Manchester United this season, and I am confident that regardless of how they meet Manchester, they will have more possibilities to defeat United in all competitions. I don't think Amorim, Manchester United's new coach, is focused on the league. Is primary goal is to compete in the Europa League because they are no longer able to win the Premier League. Liverpool has already achieved it. I don't believe any club will be able to overtake them in the league right now, therefore his focus is now on other tournaments in which he still has a chance to win. Let's see how Manchester United will fare in the Europa League, and if they can win the trophy now that they have a better management this season. I believe that Manchester United will not finish this season without winning trophies. Am very impressed with the new coach performance since he came to the club is doing great and making the fans appreciate what is doing this season.

With about 21 games to go, I think anyone can still win the EPL title. Liverpool has been dominant so far, but do we see them defeating all big teams in the second half of the season?, No sure about that, because we all know that the league has 38 games(both home and away). We've seen teams losing focus towards the end of the season and we've seen teams getting stronger towards the end of the season. I'm not ready to write any team off.

That aside, I knew Amorim will get a backlash from every angle after playing against Arsenal. What do we expect, a win ?, there was no way that was going to happen. He was able to defeat smaller teams, but we all know that playing against a top side is always the biggest test. I'm not sure if he the team has fully understood him, but I think his facial expression is very bad especially when losing. He needs to show good example on and off the pitch. He might do very well In this Europa league, but I'm not sure of what will happen when the UCL teams drops to the Europa league next year.

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Quote from: len01 on December 06, 2024, 09:29:43 AM

Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on December 06, 2024, 01:09:47 AM

Of course there is nothing wrong but we also need to see the opportunities and support to predict the strength of one of the teams that want to compete for the title. Manchester United is indeed much better now but we see that there are still many things that need to be done by Amorim, in the Premier League they lost to Arsenal so there are still many things that need to be fixed or improved. For this season Manchester United is still trying to build team performance and I have not seen their chances for the title competition will be more open, but anything can happen if Amorim can change Manchester United to be better in a short time.

I think sometimes a team has something that is being prioritized. I mean maybe in the EPL when playing against Arsenal, MU was only able to get a defeat but in fact when playing against other popular teams like Chelsea etc., Man United had good results. On the one hand for me the performance in the EPL will not affect MU performance in the European league. Because maybe for Amorim chasing the EPL title is something difficult and will prioritize the European league title to get a more prestigious title and appear simple when playing against top teams in the EPL.

Arsenal are significantly superior to Manchester United this season, and I am confident that regardless of how they meet Manchester, they will have more possibilities to defeat United in all competitions. I don't think Amorim, Manchester United's new coach, is focused on the league. Is primary goal is to compete in the Europa League because they are no longer able to win the Premier League. Liverpool has already achieved it. I don't believe any club will be able to overtake them in the league right now, therefore his focus is now on other tournaments in which he still has a chance to win. Let's see how Manchester United will fare in the Europa League, and if they can win the trophy now that they have a better management this season. I believe that Manchester United will not finish this season without winning trophies. Am very impressed with the new coach performance since he came to the club is doing great and making the fans appreciate what is doing this season.

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Quote from: Docnaster on December 06, 2024, 06:42:19 AM

I think the reason the management of Manchester United waited for too long before sacking Erik ten Hag was because they had faith in the Dutch man and wanted to see him return the club to winning ways but the longer they waited for improvement the poorer the team performed.
The good thing is that the club have finally taken the bold decision and have signed a manager that have a proven record of succeeding with an average team. The new manager Ruben Amorim have already changed the playing style of the club and I believe he'll achieve more than his predecessor.

In as much as your point is very valid, I wouldn't agree to the fact that the records of the new manager is a prove he's going to do better at Manchester United, the team he headed before coming to old Trafford wasn't a n average team in their league actually they are top five in their league just that the variation in league is what we can see as different, now getting adopted to the competitive nature of the premier league which is much higher than the former league where he was heading a team, is another thing he will.need to adjust to, so far he's been progressive with his build up with the team and that should be applauded and let's hope for the best.

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Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on December 06, 2024, 01:09:47 AM

Of course there is nothing wrong but we also need to see the opportunities and support to predict the strength of one of the teams that want to compete for the title. Manchester United is indeed much better now but we see that there are still many things that need to be done by Amorim, in the Premier League they lost to Arsenal so there are still many things that need to be fixed or improved. For this season Manchester United is still trying to build team performance and I have not seen their chances for the title competition will be more open, but anything can happen if Amorim can change Manchester United to be better in a short time.

I think sometimes a team has something that is being prioritized. I mean maybe in the EPL when playing against Arsenal, MU was only able to get a defeat but in fact when playing against other popular teams like Chelsea etc., Man United had good results. On the one hand for me the performance in the EPL will not affect MU performance in the European league. Because maybe for Amorim chasing the EPL title is something difficult and will prioritize the European league title to get a more prestigious title and appear simple when playing against top teams in the EPL.

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Quote from: AYOBA on December 05, 2024, 02:11:32 PM

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Manchester United could have seen such a change much earlier if they had sacked their manager a few seasons ago. Manchester United sacked their manager but they took too long to sack the manager. Manchester United had only poor performances under that manager during this period. A manager's responsibility is to manage the team properly by playing the right players in the right positions but Ten Haag has done it in such a way that we feel that he does not want to improve the situation of the team but rather he wants to deteriorate the situation of the team. There is a lot of difference between the one who was fired and the new one who was appointed and the one who is the current manager of Manchester United has good team management skills so it is expected that Manchester United will do better in the future.

I think the reason the management of Manchester United waited for too long before sacking Erik ten Hag was because they had faith in the Dutch man and wanted to see him return the club to winning ways but the longer they waited for improvement the poorer the team performed.
The good thing is that the club have finally taken the bold decision and have signed a manager that have a proven record of succeeding with an average team. The new manager Ruben Amorim have already changed the playing style of the club and I believe he'll achieve more than his predecessor.

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It is really hard to predict the first eight, but it is easier to predict the teams that can advance to the next round. It will be very difficult to be in the eighth place because they still have three games to play. The teams that finish in the first eight places will have a big advantage because they will not advance to the playoff round. In this year's system, small teams also have a chance. Because big teams can match each other. We cannot say that there is a clear favorite in the Europa League. Every team has a chance to win the championship.

So far, it is not possible to predict which team will finish in the top 8 because the difference in points between first and 10th place is still very small, the remaining three matches are very important for the team to secure its position in the standings. It will be interesting to see the competition in the standings after the new format is introduced, the top teams will beat each other to get a better position. It is not yet certain which team deserves to be the favorite because every team that qualifies without having to go through the Play-off route still has the same chance based on the points they have collected so far.

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Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on December 06, 2024, 01:09:47 AM

Quote from: len01 on December 05, 2024, 03:22:38 AM

Actually there is nothing wrong if we say Man United is one of the worthy candidates to hold the UEL title and I agree with you that we all do not know what Amorim is planning. Because it makes sense that in the EPL maybe MU lost against Arsenal but in the UEL we have seen good improvements and can have a big influence on MU to continue fighting until the final round later.
I also agree that actually Amorim only needs a little improvement in the defense line and in january Amorim chance to try to fix these weaknesses.

Of course there is nothing wrong but we also need to see the opportunities and support to predict the strength of one of the teams that want to compete for the title. Manchester United is indeed much better now but we see that there are still many things that need to be done by Amorim, in the Premier League they lost to Arsenal so there are still many things that need to be fixed or improved. For this season Manchester United is still trying to build team performance and I have not seen their chances for the title competition will be more open, but anything can happen if Amorim can change Manchester United to be better in a short time.

If you see how Lazio Roma has beaten Napoli, can anyone imagine how Manchester United would win against Lazio when they play in Italy? No way. I thought Napoli must have a chance, but for me the biggest favorite to win the Europa League if only recent form is considered is certainly Lazio Roma. They haven't had a weak game in a very long time and at home they are so strong. Manchester United is playing erratically and if Napoli can't do anything against Lazio Roma, Manchester United won't be able to do anything.

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