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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on September 09, 2022, 03:16:07 PM

Harry Maguire should have been substituted, I care less if he is English or whatever but if Ten Hag wants to safe his job, then he should stop trusting the British player's.

It is likely untrue. The owner is not British and I don't believe Ten Hag has been required to use Maguire.

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On the other hand I have a different opinion I think Manchester United can qualify from the group stage at least as runner up
Assume that Man United can't beat Real Sociedad but Man united has the potential to beat 2 other teams Omonia and Sheriff

Omonia and Sheriff look like not opponents that can beat Manchester United. Even Sociedad can be beaten by United when they re meet in future. United still have enough matches to fix their loss in the first match.

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This means that the opportunity to secure the runner up is still open, although other scenarios can happen but just sure enough with my prediction.

Chance is still big because it is only a first match of group stage and other competitors in the group are not stronger than Manchester United. I think they still have opportunity to end this group at the first position.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 10, 2022, 05:04:06 AM

Quote from: Lordhermes on September 09, 2022, 04:34:05 PM

I am not seeing United being able to qualify from the group stage of the Europa league this season,they won three straight matches, but they have not played the kind of football that will make them consistent match winners. Real sociedad is a very strong club,and they also have good defenders that can prevent goals from entering their post.Their defence was very strong against United that despite the attempt United had,they were unable to break their defence.Unless United use the squad they used against Arsenal,they will find it difficult to win matches.

I think that you are judging their future too early. Because they don't have a difficult group. Real Sociedad are the only tough team against them. Maybe you will talk about Sheriff Tiraspol. I know that they were a really interesting team in the Champions League last season. They collected 7 points in a group which Real Madrid and Inter were also in. They were only three points behind Inter at the end.

However they are still not a very powerful team in general. Just because they did this once it doesn't mean they will have a good run here too. The remaining team of the group are Omonia. They are not a serious opponent for Manchester United at all.

As a result I think that Manchester United can finish the group stage at the second position in the worst case. For example I believe in them to beat Sheriff next week to make up for the loss. I'd like to add that Sheriff were eliminated by Plzen in the qualification round of the Champions League. Manchester United are a way bigger team to deal with for them.

There is only 1 game that has been played in the Europa League, so it's too soon to conclude that Man United will not be able to qualify from Group E. Their loss against Sociedad will be a lesson for Ten Hag that the Europa League cannot be underestimated. So even though he needs to rotate players but Ten Hag must prepare anticipation if the formation can't work properly. In Group E only Sociedad have a level close to Man United but if Man United played with their first team (which is usually played in the Premier League), I think Man United has the potential to beat Sociedad (at least can steal 1 point).

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Quote from: Lordhermes on September 09, 2022, 04:34:05 PM

I am not seeing United being able to qualify from the group stage of the Europa league this season,they won three straight matches, but they have not played the kind of football that will make them consistent match winners. Real sociedad is a very strong club,and they also have good defenders that can prevent goals from entering their post.Their defence was very strong against United that despite the attempt United had,they were unable to break their defence.Unless United use the squad they used against Arsenal,they will find it difficult to win matches.

On the other hand I have a different opinion I think Manchester United can qualify from the group stage at least as runner up
Assume that Man United can't beat Real Sociedad but Man united has the potential to beat 2 other teams Omonia and Sheriff
This means that the opportunity to secure the runner up is still open, although other scenarios can happen but just sure enough with my prediction.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on September 09, 2022, 04:34:05 PM

I am not seeing United being able to qualify from the group stage of the Europa league this season,they won three straight matches, but they have not played the kind of football that will make them consistent match winners. Real sociedad is a very strong club,and they also have good defenders that can prevent goals from entering their post.Their defence was very strong against United that despite the attempt United had,they were unable to break their defence.Unless United use the squad they used against Arsenal,they will find it difficult to win matches.

I think that you are judging their future too early. Because they don't have a difficult group. Real Sociedad are the only tough team against them. Maybe you will talk about Sheriff Tiraspol. I know that they were a really interesting team in the Champions League last season. They collected 7 points in a group which Real Madrid and Inter were also in. They were only three points behind Inter at the end.

However they are still not a very powerful team in general. Just because they did this once it doesn't mean they will have a good run here too. The remaining team of the group are Omonia. They are not a serious opponent for Manchester United at all.

As a result I think that Manchester United can finish the group stage at the second position in the worst case. For example I believe in them to beat Sheriff next week to make up for the loss. I'd like to add that Sheriff were eliminated by Plzen in the qualification round of the Champions League. Manchester United are a way bigger team to deal with for them.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 09, 2022, 06:56:40 AM

United tried their best to get back to the game but Real Sociedad made their defense so formidable. One of the issue united had was inaccurate passes from the midfield to the forward on few ocassions. It was either too short to get through or too fast to catch up with. But Manu defense was a bit ok even with Maguire at the starting ix.

The penalty shoot out was sweet but United were denied theirs

I saw that penalty call, it was also soft. Both weren't penalties, but Sociedad's was given. Oh well

Quote from: Lordhermes on September 09, 2022, 04:34:05 PM

Their defence was very strong against United that despite the attempt United had,they were unable to break their defence.Unless United use the squad they used against Arsenal,they will find it difficult to win matches.

Well, let's also be objective, their keeper didn't have a single good shot to save, just typical ones any keeper could, so it was more of United being blunt in attack, even Sancho and Rashford couldn't get something out of it.

And to be worse, Sociedad actually attacked better after the goal!

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Quote from: slaman29 on September 09, 2022, 05:23:21 AM

United lol! Well, I think that is indeed the problem with Premier League teams. They underestimate all the opponents from other leagues who are not champions. If they play Real Madrid or Barca or maybe Atletico, then sure, they would respect them. But meet Villareal, meet Real Sociedad, and then they think 3 points are already in the bag and easy.

I do have to feel sorry though, the penalty was so soft

Manchester United didn't underestimate Real Sociedad in the game because United is still finding it difficult to win matches this season despite their recent three-straight wins in the EPL. United played very good football against Real Sociedad but the presence of a sharp striker that could penetrate the strong defense line of Real Sociedad was missing in the game and Ronaldo was unable to break the wall of Sociedad's defense. I believe the challenge wasn't the team they played against but the set of players that were selected to start the first half there wouldn't be a different player if United didn't play against a team like Real Sociedad.

The penalty kick that was taken by Brais Mendez was a fantastic one but it seems like the Referee wasn't watching the game at some point because I was expecting him to award a penalty to United in the also but that didn't happen.

I am not seeing United being able to qualify from the group stage of the Europa league this season,they won three straight matches, but they have not played the kind of football that will make them consistent match winners. Real sociedad is a very strong club,and they also have good defenders that can prevent goals from entering their post.Their defence was very strong against United that despite the attempt United had,they were unable to break their defence.Unless United use the squad they used against Arsenal,they will find it difficult to win matches.

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United lol! Well, I think that is indeed the problem with Premier League teams. They underestimate all the opponents from other leagues who are not champions. If they play Real Madrid or Barca or maybe Atletico, then sure, they would respect them. But meet Villareal, meet Real Sociedad, and then they think 3 points is already in the bag and easy.

I do have to feel sorry though, the penalty was soooo soft

United losing to Real Sociedad is one of the best game I got to watch this week. United fans were over confident in the game as they were hoping to thrash their visitors but reverse was the case. Erik Ten Hag didn't use the necessary players needed to start games but it's clear obvious, they lost their first game in the Europa League. They're not different from Chelsea, mocking Blues who lost their first champions league game away to Dinamo Zegreb, saying it's small team which blues needed to win. For United, they fail to right that impression and it affected them in the game.

I would guess that the game was good enough for United too, they missed so many chances and they ended up losing in the end but they played well enough to actually consider themselves a great team too, like this wasn't a proof that they are still bad, they won 4 games in a row, they got back from bottom of the league all the way to higher levels.

Only obvious situation is that they lost 3-4 games Maguire played, and won all he didn't, that should be a key reason for it because he is seriously bad. I would sack him, not just remove him from the roster but literally fire him, and they make him the captain instead, that just doesn't make sense to me.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on September 09, 2022, 11:12:09 AM

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It was unexpected that United would lose. Because their performance was quite good in the last few matches. In this match, Ten Hag gave Ronaldo and Harry Maguire a chance to prove their mettle. But both players failed. Ronaldo and Maguire are unlikely to be retained by the Ten Hag in his squad. On the other hand, Chelsea's performance is weak. Liverpool, Chelsea and United will also be trailing in the Premier League title race this season.

I think Ten Hag provides an opportunity for Ronaldo and Maguire to play as starters because the Europa League is the right moment to rotate players so that some players in the first team can get a rest day and the players who are usually on the bench can get a chance to play. Well, the performance of the Man United players who were fighting against Sociedad it's not as good as the performance of the squad that is usually played in the Premier League. It could be because Maguire is there Grin

, but for a reasonable reason, I think they really don't have the chemistry that the first team had.

He has to rotate to preserve his best squad at all cost, I wasn't impressed though,they did possessed Manchester United from first half.
The ball flow from behind was dull and poor, a quicker transition and flow of the ball came in to play during the second half of the game.
Harry Maguire should have been substituted, I care less if he is English or whatever but if Ten Hag wants to safe his job, then he should stop trusting the British player's.
Casemiro also, made wrong passes and was too dull, seems like a fatigued player. I'm not worried cause with them he'll get better and suits the team. Ronaldo ? I still don't know what's to be done for Ronaldo, Manchester United should focus bon younger players, yes Ronaldo bis the goat but he seems like a finished player, or Maybe enough chance's are not been created.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 09, 2022, 12:26:05 PM

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But in fact, even if I did not bet, I have long been dissatisfied with such garbage tournaments as the Nations League, the Europa League (most games before the quarter-finals), the Conference League (most games before the semi-finals), etc. (some national cups).

not sure where are you from, but for smaller countries, Europa league and especially Conference league are only chance to have European matches further to summer qualification rounds and I like it

althouh, I would like more to have Champions league with Champions only, because it is kind a ironic to have Champions league winner that is not a Champion in their respective country, what kind of Champion is that?
and Cup winners Cups, as before, where Cup winners in their countries are playing

now, all these (CL, EL, ECL) are played just for money, and it is important to have more matches on TV

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Given the fact that I bet on the victory of Arsenal with a handicap of minus one goal, I am not satisfied. The impression is like from a garbage game in a garbage competition. Arsenal in the starting lineup released one and a half players from the main squad - how can this be taken seriously? I understand that there are tournament strategies and passing games, but the group stage in the Europa League is clowning and nothing more.

You are not satisfied with the result of Arsenal 2-1 win because your bet on Arsenal win is with a handicap of minus one goal. Here you feel the disappointment, but not with Arteta and the Arsenal players, they are very satisfied with this result because they can bounce back after the defeat to Manchester United. Arsenal really need a win to restore the player's mentality, Arteta doesn't care about Arsenal winning score, the important thing is that Arsenal can win the game is enough to make Arteta heart happy.

Wow! You must be a telepath and could read my mind! Grin

But in fact, even if I did not bet, I have long been dissatisfied with such garbage tournaments as the Nations League, the Europa League (most games before the quarter-finals), the Conference League (most games before the semi-finals), etc. (some national cups). The Premier League is considered the best league for the most part because there is the most intense struggle where both underdog and favorite plays until the 95th minute at the limit of his strength trying to score points. There is nothing similar in such tournaments. In fact, most of the games differ little from friendly ones. I am annoyed by this fact whether I bet or not.

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Well, you wouldn't expect them to field a strong first 11 against an FC Zurich they probably thought wasn't that strong, would you?
It's all strategy at play, their biggest fight is in the Premier League and you want your team to be a fresh as possible if they are to beat the likes of Manchester City by points at the end of the season

Yeah, that's the fate of junk tournaments - they're made to save energy and let substitutes warm up Cheesy

Even playing against Victoria Barcelona scores a lot of goals because Lewandowski is trying just for the sake of statistics and history. In junk tournaments, this is of no interest to anyone.

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Quote from: ilovealtcoins on September 09, 2022, 10:24:21 AM

It was unexpected that United would lose. Because their performance was quite good in the last few matches. In this match, Ten Hag gave Ronaldo and Harry Maguire a chance to prove their mettle. But both players failed. Ronaldo and Maguire are unlikely to be retained by the Ten Hag in his squad. On the other hand, Chelsea's performance is weak. Liverpool, Chelsea and United will also be trailing in the Premier League title race this season.

I think Ten Hag provides an opportunity for Ronaldo and Maguire to play as starters because the Europa League is the right moment to rotate players so that some players in the first team can get a rest day and the players who are usually on the bench can get a chance to play. Well, the performance of the Man United players who were fighting against Sociedad it's not as good as the performance of the squad that is usually played in the Premier League. It could be because Maguire is there Grin

, but for a reasonable reason, I think they really don't have the chemistry that the first team had.

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United lol! Well, I think that is indeed the problem with Premier League teams. They underestimate all the opponents from other leagues who are not champions. If they play Real Madrid or Barca or maybe Atletico, then sure, they would respect them. But meet Villareal, meet Real Sociedad, and then they think 3 points is already in the bag and easy.
I do have to feel sorry though, the penalty was soooo soft

United losing to Real Sociedad is one of the best game I got to watch this week. United fans were over confident in the game as they were hoping to thrash their visitors but reverse was the case. Erik Ten Hag didn't use the necessary players needed to start games but it's clear obvious, they lost their first game in the Europa League. They're not different from Chelsea, mocking Blues who lost their first champions league game away to Dinamo Zegreb, saying it's small team which blues needed to win. For United, they fail to right that impression and it affected them in the game.

It was unexpected that United would lose. Because their performance was quite good in the last few matches. In this match, Ten Hag gave Ronaldo and Harry Maguire a chance to prove their mettle. But both players failed. Ronaldo and Maguire are unlikely to be retained by the Ten Hag in his squad. On the other hand, Chelsea's performance is weak. Liverpool, Chelsea and United will also be trailing in the Premier League title race this season.

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Quote from: slaman29 on September 09, 2022, 05:23:21 AM

United lol! Well, I think that is indeed the problem with Premier League teams. They underestimate all the opponents from other leagues who are not champions. If they play Real Madrid or Barca or maybe Atletico, then sure, they would respect them. But meet Villareal, meet Real Sociedad, and then they think 3 points are already in the bag and easy.

I do have to feel sorry though, the penalty was so soft

Manchester United didn't underestimate Real Sociedad in the game because United is still finding it difficult to win matches this season despite their recent three-straight wins in the EPL. United played very good football against Real Sociedad but the presence of a sharp striker that could penetrate the strong defense line of Real Sociedad was missing in the game and Ronaldo was unable to break the wall of Sociedad's defense. I believe the challenge wasn't the team they played against but the set of players that were selected to start the first half there wouldn't be a different player if United didn't play against a team like Real Sociedad.

The penalty kick that was taken by Brais Mendez was a fantastic one but it seems like the Referee wasn't watching the game at some point because I was expecting him to award a penalty to United in the also but that didn't happen.

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Quote from: slaman29 on September 09, 2022, 05:23:21 AM

United lol! Well, I think that is indeed the problem with Premier League teams. They underestimate all the opponents from other leagues who are not champions. If they play Real Madrid or Barca or maybe Atletico, then sure, they would respect them. But meet Villareal, meet Real Sociedad, and then they think 3 points is already in the bag and easy.

I do have to feel sorry though, the penalty was soooo soft

United losing to Real Sociedad is one of the best game I got to watch this week. United fans were over confident in the game as they were hoping to thrash their visitors but reverse was the case. Erik Ten Hag didn't use the necessary players needed to start games but it's clear obvious, they lost their first game in the Europa League. They're not different from Chelsea, mocking Blues who lost their first champions league game away to Dinamo Zegreb, saying it's small team which blues needed to win. For United, they fail to right that impression and it affected them in the game.

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Quote from: slaman29 on September 09, 2022, 05:23:21 AM

United lol! Well, I think that is indeed the problem with Premier League teams. They underestimate all the opponents from other leagues who are not champions. If they play Real Madrid or Barca or maybe Atletico, then sure, they would respect them. But meet Villareal, meet Real Sociedad, and then they think 3 points is already in the bag and easy.

I do have to feel sorry though, the penalty was soooo soft

Why would the underrate a team that is better than them, but for me I don't see it like that, I don't think Manchester United underrate Real Sociadad in that fixture last night, United played well, they would have done more in scoring goals because they are playing at home but if you consider how they perform against Brentford and Brighton in the premier League this season you will know they have improved but they need to do better, but lot of players that has improved the side didn't start the game,players like rashford,Sancho and Martinez were all at the bench.

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Quote from: slaman29 on September 09, 2022, 05:23:21 AM

United lol! Well, I think that is indeed the problem with Premier League teams. They underestimate all the opponents from other leagues who are not champions. If they play Real Madrid or Barca or maybe Atletico, then sure, they would respect them. But meet Villareal, meet Real Sociedad, and then they think 3 points is already in the bag and easy.

I do have to feel sorry though, the penalty was soooo soft

United tried their best to get back to the game but Real Sociedad made their defense so formidable. One of the issue united had was inaccurate passes from the midfield to the forward on few ocassions. It was either too short to get through or too fast to catch up with. But Manu defense was a bit ok even with Maguire at the starting ix.

The penalty shoot out was sweet but United were denied theirs

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United lol! Well, I think that is indeed the problem with Premier League teams. They underestimate all the opponents from other leagues who are not champions. If they play Real Madrid or Barca or maybe Atletico, then sure, they would respect them. But meet Villareal, meet Real Sociedad, and then they think 3 points is already in the bag and easy.

I do have to feel sorry though, the penalty was soooo soft

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Quote from: Mr.right85 on September 09, 2022, 03:46:18 AM

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United looked a bit off tonight while not being able to score at home against Real Sociedad. Ronaldo did start but didn't look great up front while missing a chance, he only had 2 shots and both were off target. It is crazy how things have turned for him. I guess its all psychological.

On the whole, they didn't play an entirely bad football yesterday, it was more of hardback for them and some due to Harry Maguires influence. I mean, its no pleasure for any one to play under a bad captain. After putging in all your best, in one wrong move from the captain, a lot could be messed up and so is all your efforts. This makes it difficult for the players to put in there best and its also difficult for Maguire to talk to the players as his the one making most of the errors but, its different while Bruno Fernández captains the team.

Ronaldo could be said to begoing through hard times as, his not in his champions league competition no more, his attempts to leave the team was frustrated and he played from the bench which is so unusual for an elite player like him.

United played well last night and only badluck made the game to end with Sociedad victory because without that penalty , Sociedad had almost 0 chances to score but why didn't United score ? they had great chances , they have great players and the game was in their favor so maybe just an unfortunate night overall for United ?

Meanwhile , Arsenal looks like they are super ready this year to have a long campaign into Europa League so reaching semi-finals should be a thing to reach.

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I really don't understand how Trabzonspor can play this much poorly. They had a huge opportunity to win after Ferencvaros got a red card in the 16th minute already. However Ferencvaros scored two more goals after the red card. And it would have been even worse as they wasted many more chances. Trabzonspor normally have a much better squad than them but their recent form has been really bad. This must have played a big role in this 3-2 loss. If their third goal wasn't disallowed due to offside they would have got one point at least. I didn't understand what Trezeguet was doing in the last minute also. He chose to turn back instead of whipping a cross and the referee finished the match after that.

This can't go on for Trabzonspor like this. They aren't joining this tournament for the first time. Ferencvaros have been an in-form team these days but normally they are not a team that Trabzonspor can't defeat.

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Quote from: vennali on September 08, 2022, 05:06:33 PM

United looked a bit off tonight while not being able to score at home against Real Sociedad. Ronaldo did start but didn't look great up front while missing a chance, he only had 2 shots and both were off target. It is crazy how things have turned for him. I guess its all psychological.

On the whole, they didn't play an entirely bad football yesterday, it was more of hardback for them and some due to Harry Maguires influence. I mean, its no pleasure for any one to play under a bad captain. After putging in all your best, in one wrong move from the captain, a lot could be messed up and so is all your efforts. This makes it difficult for the players to put in there best and its also difficult for Maguire to talk to the players as his the one making most of the errors but, its different while Bruno Fernández captains the team.

Ronaldo could be said to begoing through hard times as, his not in his champions league competition no more, his attempts to leave the team was frustrated and he played from the bench which is so unusual for an elite player like him.

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