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Napoli - Spartak Moscow, looks like this will be an easy win for Napoli. Napoli's performance itself is in its best form, even unbeaten in Serie A and also, the factor of playing at home will certainly be an additional strength and spirit that will not decrease this time. In contrast to Spartak Moscow and even, Spartak Moscow lost in the first match against Legia and even though at that time Spartak Moscow was playing at home, it still did not make him able to score goals.
Lol... Maybe in the first half Napoli was a bit stronger than Leicester, but believe me, if this "miracle team" called Napoli had not been helped by the referee, they would have fucking won the second half. Leicester's goals were actually on point, they played the second half on par with their rivals, but thank the referee
Napoli should have scored a couple of goals in the first half their statisics in this match were off the roof i still cant believe that they didnt win this match. But i think they will 100% pass the group even tho they got a draw in this match.
Nevertheless, I also think that Napoli will win the group. But most likely it will be decided in the Napoli vs Leicester match in Italy because both teams will get 3 points each against Legia and Spartak.
I noticed that, of course. But when VAR was introduced, some things began to become clear. The refs were reluctant to go to the monitor, I don't know what to say, everyone will conclude for themselves after seeing it.
The problem for one of these teams to make the playoffs is the match against a team from the champions league. That is, the team from the champions league group that finishes in 3rd place in the group stage will play the team that finished second in the european league group. That is, one of the two teams (Leicester or Napoli) may not qualify, in case of defeat
The problem for one of these teams to make the playoffs is the match against a team from the champions league. That is, the team from the champions league group that finishes in 3rd place in the group stage will play the team that finished second in the european league group. That is, one of the two teams (Leicester or Napoli) may not qualify, in case of defeat
The use of VAR has greatly improved in recent seasons.
Especially when it comes to using it only for critical moves such as penalties or decisive goal moves.
What still needs to be much improved is the downtime of games due to the VAR. I understand that after an analysis is started, the decision needs to be right, but it is ridiculous to wait longer than 1 minute in some cases for a decision.
I will put that in a different way. For me these results are reality for Dinamo. Bjelica was the outlier in Dinamo story who made them all believe they can play against top teams in Europe and they did. Now we are back to usual scared performances. If you are a coach and you spend whole week of preparation talking how your opponent is good and how you need to watch this and that player, that destroys players morale and makes them believe draw is a good result. And I am sure most of our coaches are doing just that with couple of examples like Bjelica. To do something big in Europe your team has to have qoulity but also belief that they can play against all those other top clubs.
And of course, welcome to dark gambling side @slackovic
And of course, welcome to dark gambling side @slackovic
These results are reality for Dinamo's coaches, not for the players. I'm not saying that Dinamo has a team that can easily beat top European teams but they definitely can play better. As you said - the biggest problem is that they lost their winning mentality they had under Bjelica. That's why I hoped Krznar is just a temporary solution until they find someine better. I'm pretty sure the wouldn't have lost 3-0 to Sheriff if they had a better coach.
Personally, I agree that the Dinamo team is weaker this season, but the way they lost the matches against Sheriff and West Ham tells me that the players have lost faith in their abilities, that the coach does not know how to prepare the right strategy and game plan and therefore unfortunately I am not optimistic about the future of Dinamo in this European competition.
That is why I said in a previous post that for Dinamo will be a success in the Europa League this season if they avoid the last place in the group and continue competing in the conference league in the spring.
Given the current relationships at the club and in the city, I don’t think it’s realistic for anyone to replace the coach this season.
The group’s favorite for first place is obviously West Ham.
I noticed that, of course. But when VAR was introduced, some things began to become clear. The refs were reluctant to go to the monitor, I don't know what to say, everyone will conclude for themselves after seeing it.
The problem for one of these teams to make the playoffs is the match against a team from the champions league. That is, the team from the champions league group that finishes in 3rd place in the group stage will play the team that finished second in the european league group. That is, one of the two teams (Leicester or Napoli) may not qualify, in case of defeat
The problem for one of these teams to make the playoffs is the match against a team from the champions league. That is, the team from the champions league group that finishes in 3rd place in the group stage will play the team that finished second in the european league group. That is, one of the two teams (Leicester or Napoli) may not qualify, in case of defeat
The use of VAR has greatly improved in recent seasons.
Especially when it comes to using it only for critical moves such as penalties or decisive goal moves.
What still needs to be much improved is the downtime of games due to the VAR. I understand that after an analysis is started, the decision needs to be right, but it is ridiculous to wait longer than 1 minute in some cases for a decision.
I will put that in a different way. For me these results are reality for Dinamo. Bjelica was the outlier in Dinamo story who made them all believe they can play against top teams in Europe and they did. Now we are back to usual scared performances. If you are a coach and you spend whole week of preparation talking how your opponent is good and how you need to watch this and that player, that destroys players morale and makes them believe draw is a good result. And I am sure most of our coaches are doing just that with couple of examples like Bjelica. To do something big in Europe your team has to have qoulity but also belief that they can play against all those other top clubs.
And of course, welcome to dark gambling side @slackovic
And of course, welcome to dark gambling side @slackovic
These results are reality for Dinamo's coaches, not for the players. I'm not saying that Dinamo has a team that can easily beat top European teams but they definitely can play better. As you said - the biggest problem is that they lost their winning mentality they had under Bjelica. That's why I hoped Krznar is just a temporary solution until they find someine better. I'm pretty sure the wouldn't have lost 3-0 to Sheriff if they had a better coach.
@baeva I don’t know if you too observed that lately the standards for Referees have fallen, and it’s costing good teams valuable points, and I’m not sure why no one is taking action against them.
Lastly like you’ll I too expect that Leicester and Napoli will qualify from this group, but since it’s European football we should not be surprised if we witness any upsets in this group.
The problem for one of these teams to make the playoffs is the match against a team from the champions league. That is, the team from the champions league group that finishes in 3rd place in the group stage will play the team that finished second in the european league group. That is, one of the two teams (Leicester or Napoli) may not qualify, in case of defeat
but indeed it also cannot be blamed because it is when in the game the referee is in charge.
besides that sometimes VAR also has some disadvantages and creates controversy as well.
but indeed whatever happens the referee is still a human being who certainly has a mistake in determining and they should be able to take advantage of existing pastlitas like VAR you said
Real Sociedad v Monaco could be one of the interesting matches in the next round. Real Sociedad drew with PSV by 2-2 and Monaco beat Sturm Graz by only 1-0 even though they were highly dominant. But recently, it looks like Monaco are gathering themselves up. Because they started the season really terribly. However, Real Sociedad are a very tough opponent in an away match. I think that both teams can score easily but we may see a draw at the end.
I agree with you.
With coach Bjelica Dinamo looked like a serious and organized European club, with clear ambitions and strategy.
Bjelica's biggest success is that he managed to change the losing mentality of the players and that everyone started believing that Dinamo can always win, even against the strongest European teams.
Now it seems to me that Dinamo has lost its vision again, that the losing mentality is returning to the team, there is no more clear plan and strategy, the best players are gone and the substitutes are not at the same level.
Given the current situation at the club, it will be a success for Dinamo if they avoid the last place in their group and continue competing in the conference league.
With coach Bjelica Dinamo looked like a serious and organized European club, with clear ambitions and strategy.
Bjelica's biggest success is that he managed to change the losing mentality of the players and that everyone started believing that Dinamo can always win, even against the strongest European teams.
Now it seems to me that Dinamo has lost its vision again, that the losing mentality is returning to the team, there is no more clear plan and strategy, the best players are gone and the substitutes are not at the same level.
Given the current situation at the club, it will be a success for Dinamo if they avoid the last place in their group and continue competing in the conference league.
Dinamo is to Krznar the first "real" team so I'm not sure if he is the right man for the job. Actually, I'm positive that he is not. When Mamic left and Dinamo appointed Krznar, I thought that it's just a temporary solution until they find someone better. It looks like that temporary solution became permanent and that's the biggest problem for Dinamo right now. True, some of the best players left the team, but the biggest problem is losing mentality of the team and I really don't think that Krznar can change that.
And of course, welcome to dark gambling side @slackovic
I agree with you.
With coach Bjelica Dinamo looked like a serious and organized European club, with clear ambitions and strategy.
Bjelica's biggest success is that he managed to change the losing mentality of the players and that everyone started believing that Dinamo can always win, even against the strongest European teams.
Now it seems to me that Dinamo has lost its vision again, that the losing mentality is returning to the team, there is no more clear plan and strategy, the best players are gone and the substitutes are not at the same level.
Given the current situation at the club, it will be a success for Dinamo if they avoid the last place in their group and continue competing in the conference league.
With coach Bjelica Dinamo looked like a serious and organized European club, with clear ambitions and strategy.
Bjelica's biggest success is that he managed to change the losing mentality of the players and that everyone started believing that Dinamo can always win, even against the strongest European teams.
Now it seems to me that Dinamo has lost its vision again, that the losing mentality is returning to the team, there is no more clear plan and strategy, the best players are gone and the substitutes are not at the same level.
Given the current situation at the club, it will be a success for Dinamo if they avoid the last place in their group and continue competing in the conference league.
Dinamo is to Krznar the first "real" team so I'm not sure if he is the right man for the job. Actually, I'm positive that he is not. When Mamic left and Dinamo appointed Krznar, I thought that it's just a temporary solution until they find someone better. It looks like that temporary solution became permanent and that's the biggest problem for Dinamo right now. True, some of the best players left the team, but the biggest problem is losing mentality of the team and I really don't think that Krznar can change that.
I think that one of the interesting games next week could be Marseille vs Galatasaray. Galatasaray got a really surprising win against Lazio home. I guess that most people were expecting Lazio to get one point or even win the game. And they found so many goal chances also. But I don't know why, they were really unlucky when it comes to scoring. They conceded one of the most interesting goals and let Galatasaray get ahead by 1-0. They tried to find the equalizer but they lost by the same score.
On the other hand, Marseille had a game against Lokomotiv Moscow away. They were the favourite side in this game of course. They got ahead against their opponent which were playing with ten players. But L. Moscow still managed to score the equalizer and it ended by 1-1. As a result, Galatasaray are the leader in the group while Marseille are at the second place. In this game, I'm definitely favoring Marseille. Because Galatasaray have a really terrible defense line and they have a bad form lately too. Marseille should be able to win this game by one or two goals I think.
On the other hand, Marseille had a game against Lokomotiv Moscow away. They were the favourite side in this game of course. They got ahead against their opponent which were playing with ten players. But L. Moscow still managed to score the equalizer and it ended by 1-1. As a result, Galatasaray are the leader in the group while Marseille are at the second place. In this game, I'm definitely favoring Marseille. Because Galatasaray have a really terrible defense line and they have a bad form lately too. Marseille should be able to win this game by one or two goals I think.
Dinamo's decline began with the departure of coach Bjelica and the final takeover of the club by the Mamic brothers.
Dinamo's best players, like Olmo, left and the club's management did not bring in real replacements.
It is obvious that this year's Dinamo is the weakest in the last 7-8 years and they will have a big fight for the first three places in the group and the continuation of the competition in Europe in the spring of next year.
Dinamo's best players, like Olmo, left and the club's management did not bring in real replacements.
It is obvious that this year's Dinamo is the weakest in the last 7-8 years and they will have a big fight for the first three places in the group and the continuation of the competition in Europe in the spring of next year.
Dinamo letting go Bjelica was really a big mistake. I'm not a football expert but it looked to me that even mediocre players played better under him. Also, the problem isn't just in Olmo leaving the club. Other players that they sold like Gavranović could have made a difference in this match. But never mind, I think Dinamo didn't expect to win this game as they will search for their chances against other two teams in the group. But if they will play like this I would really be surprised if they don't finish the group at the last place.
I agree with you.
With coach Bjelica Dinamo looked like a serious and organized European club, with clear ambitions and strategy.
Bjelica's biggest success is that he managed to change the losing mentality of the players and that everyone started believing that Dinamo can always win, even against the strongest European teams.
Now it seems to me that Dinamo has lost its vision again, that the losing mentality is returning to the team, there is no more clear plan and strategy, the best players are gone and the substitutes are not at the same level.
Given the current situation at the club, it will be a success for Dinamo if they avoid the last place in their group and continue competing in the conference league.
@baeva I don’t know if you too observed that lately the standards for Referees have fallen, and it’s costing good teams valuable points, and I’m not sure why no one is taking action against them.
Lastly like you’ll I too expect that Leicester and Napoli will qualify from this group, but since it’s European football we should not be surprised if we witness any upsets in this group.
The problem for one of these teams to make the playoffs is the match against a team from the champions league. That is, the team from the champions league group that finishes in 3rd place in the group stage will play the team that finished second in the european league group. That is, one of the two teams (Leicester or Napoli) may not qualify, in case of defeat
I don't know, Leicester has a real wall at the goal, so maybe that's why they didn't score those "couple of goals" in the first half. I'm still not happy with the refereeing in this match. Leicester were very sued in a couple of moments.
Nevertheless, I also think that Napoli will win the group. But most likely it will be decided in the Napoli vs Leicester match in Italy because both teams will get 3 points each against Legia and Spartak.
but it is very reasonable because napoli is the seed and Leicester is still considered a dark horse.
The 2nd leg will be the deciding factor between Leicester and Napoli later who deserves to occupy the first position in the group phase because I feel in this group if not Leicester then means Napoli will be the leader of the standings in this group, considering the other two teams namely Legia and Spartak Moscow will not be superior.
I'm not saying that the first half was for Leicester, they lost it in many ways, but at least they scored a goal. But in the second half I was really pissed off by the actions of the referee in some moments. As a result, a fighting draw, it's a shame for the foxes, because could have easily taken 3 points
@baeva I don’t know if you too observed that lately the standards for Referees have fallen, and it’s costing good teams valuable points, and I’m not sure why no one is taking action against them.
Lastly like you’ll I too expect that Leicester and Napoli will qualify from this group, but since it’s European football we should not be surprised if we witness any upsets in this group.
I don't know, Leicester has a real wall at the goal, so maybe that's why they didn't score those "couple of goals" in the first half. I'm still not happy with the refereeing in this match. Leicester were very sued in a couple of moments.
Nevertheless, I also think that Napoli will win the group. But most likely it will be decided in the Napoli vs Leicester match in Italy because both teams will get 3 points each against Legia and Spartak.
but it is very reasonable because napoli is the seed and Leicester is still considered a dark horse.
The 2nd leg will be the deciding factor between Leicester and Napoli later who deserves to occupy the first position in the group phase because I feel in this group if not Leicester then means Napoli will be the leader of the standings in this group, considering the other two teams namely Legia and Spartak Moscow will not be superior.
I'm not saying that the first half was for Leicester, they lost it in many ways, but at least they scored a goal. But in the second half I was really pissed off by the actions of the referee in some moments. As a result, a fighting draw, it's a shame for the foxes, because could have easily taken 3 points
I don't know, Leicester has a real wall at the goal, so maybe that's why they didn't score those "couple of goals" in the first half. I'm still not happy with the refereeing in this match. Leicester were very sued in a couple of moments.
Nevertheless, I also think that Napoli will win the group. But most likely it will be decided in the Napoli vs Leicester match in Italy because both teams will get 3 points each against Legia and Spartak.
but it is very reasonable because napoli is the seed and Leicester is still considered a dark horse.
The 2nd leg will be the deciding factor between Leicester and Napoli later who deserves to occupy the first position in the group phase because I feel in this group if not Leicester then means Napoli will be the leader of the standings in this group, considering the other two teams namely Legia and Spartak Moscow will not be superior.
All I can say is that Osimhen is such a brilliant footballer and Napoli was the superior team. The referee needs to make better judgements please.
I don't know, Leicester has a real wall at the goal, so maybe that's why they didn't score those "couple of goals" in the first half. I'm still not happy with the refereeing in this match. Leicester were very sued in a couple of moments.
Nevertheless, I also think that Napoli will win the group. But most likely it will be decided in the Napoli vs Leicester match in Italy because both teams will get 3 points each against Legia and Spartak.
but it is very reasonable because napoli is the seed and Leicester is still considered a dark horse.
The 2nd leg will be the deciding factor between Leicester and Napoli later who deserves to occupy the first position in the group phase because I feel in this group if not Leicester then means Napoli will be the leader of the standings in this group, considering the other two teams namely Legia and Spartak Moscow will not be superior.
Lol... Maybe in the first half Napoli was a bit stronger than Leicester, but believe me, if this "miracle team" called Napoli had not been helped by the referee, they would have fucking won the second half. Leicester's goals were actually on point, they played the second half on par with their rivals, but thank the referee
Napoli should have scored a couple of goals in the first half their statisics in this match were off the roof i still cant believe that they didnt win this match. But i think they will 100% pass the group even tho they got a draw in this match.
Nevertheless, I also think that Napoli will win the group. But most likely it will be decided in the Napoli vs Leicester match in Italy because both teams will get 3 points each against Legia and Spartak.
We watched an interesting match between Leicester and Napoli. Napoli played much better than their opponent here. Despite this performance, Leicester got ahead 2-0. In the second half, we had a better Napoli against Leicester and they managed to turn the game around. Osimhen's performance was really good that he scored 2 goals. I expected Leicester to win this but it was a close call.
Lol... Maybe in the first half Napoli was a bit stronger than Leicester, but believe me, if this "miracle team" called Napoli had not been helped by the referee, they would have fucking won the second half. Leicester's goals were actually on point, they played the second half on par with their rivals, but thank the referee Napoli should have scored a couple of goals in the first half their statisics in this match were off the roof i still cant believe that they didnt win this match. But i think they will 100% pass the group even tho they got a draw in this match.
We watched an interesting match between Leicester and Napoli. Napoli played much better than their opponent here. Despite this performance, Leicester got ahead 2-0. In the second half, we had a better Napoli against Leicester and they managed to turn the game around. Osimhen's performance was really good that he scored 2 goals. I expected Leicester to win this but it was a close call.
Lol... Maybe in the first half Napoli was a bit stronger than Leicester, but believe me, if this "miracle team" called Napoli had not been helped by the referee, they would have fucking won the second half. Leicester's goals were actually on point, they played the second half on par with their rivals, but thank the referee Jump to: