Topic: - UGA - a Gamblers Union - page 3. (Read 724 times)

From the point of view that there may be a union that can help fight for just cases, if it is good that it exists, as you say, it is very difficult for a platform to have an error like that, but it can occur, as I have said. , it is a system, and systems sometimes fail, and this can cause many misunderstandings, suddenly if we are playing in a casino and then we go to a slot machine, suddenly in the slots I have a balance of 20usd and I start playing and I get a profit of 2000-2500usd and I want to withdraw it, then they tell me that I can't withdraw it because it turns out that the slot machine had a bug and it was a total mistake that I had won that, and they don't give it to me but they take away my balance, which would we think? obviously the casino robbed me, oh it was a bug, but it wasn't my fault, so how could it not be my fault and I won, because if I had lost then the casino doesn't tell me, we will refund the money you lost in slot did we have a mistake? No, then sometimes things like that have happened and that is a reason to complain, fight and for the casino to assume the consequence.

Many casinos now rely on the Tos, and this has caused a lot of surprise, because now they say that the casino can change the Tos like this because it suits them, and that is not correct, because that is why one accepts their registration contracts where these Tos are established, and the worst thing is that I have seen users, players, or well I don't know if they are actually players who say that they agree to change the Tos at the convenience of the casino, so that is not Right, for me things like that are not right, because then what are Coughs for? There are many things that do need to be fought and raised, I consider that this may be something that could have a but if it comes from a union from Bitcointalk it would have a lot of weight, of course this of defending cases that are totally well established and argued with their evidence, where it is determined that the client or player is right.

As long there would really be no solid proofs then there's no way that we could really be able to tell that it is really that something that on sites fault when it comes or in correlatin to this. This is why on the time that there are some issues or complaints had been reaised then it would really be just that so normal that the community would really be seeking out those sufficient proofs so that the community itself could really be able to decide
on tagging up a particular platform to be shady or scam but most cases we do have here on this market or forum is that with those issues been raised which turns out that this is most likely a user-related kind of errors
or mistakes or violations on which i turns out that they are really just assuming on getting the publics sympathy in regarding into their situation but it do looks like that it do get backfired into them.

It is really just that too impossible that a certain known casino platform would really be making out actions on which they do know that it could mess up or tarnish into their reputation and this is why
on the time that there are some issues been raised then it is most likely it is really just that not that a solid thing for it to be getting blamed into the platform.
Gamblers union specially into those people who do been affected with issues and trying out to go against with these via in groups? There's no way that you could
gain something from this.

Well, when things happen , in Some cases it may appear that help is Needed with a particular Problem with casinos. I have seen many times the Stories that there are always problems with KYC, with VPNs you can create a very Large force to that a better Issue can be Generated for the defense of the players, because I have seen the Casinos they always Agree with them, even when the player is right, it is difficult, with the screenshots it is possible to Argue , but if the Person He doesn't take the screenshots, So how can he fight Well ? If it is a Novice Person without any kind of projection or anything, then in that case the players lose the case, when in reality they have Been the ones who are the victims, in this Order of Ideas we could make a lot of Difference if there is a good Support from others, if not in that Case we Cannot do Anything , it is Better to have a Force, but of Course, fight for just causes, because fight when there is something that is not , Because Nothing can be done.

We could have many ways to Defend Ourselves, but the Unions Always have an importance and a greater Voice than they can Hear , Of course it is a completely Transparent Union , not that it Becomes any source of pure Corruption that also lends Itself to that , So you Cannot do seven types of acts, this is what you have to have a lot of Reputation to be able to have a High degree of trust, and that is difficult , However we must always take Refuge in the Best that can help us for Any type of Problem, in this case a Union like this could Help us a lot, as Long as, as I Said before , the Focus of the Problem can be Resolved quickly, and thus the problem of any player has more relevance in Any casino, which for My that would be great, oh a lot with KYC, with VPN, with those things.

But do they actually need to join those club? maybe for high roller yes but how could they able to convince those guys to join there club? This people are provably busy on other important matters and joining a group. But if they can offer something good benefits that can attract them rather than making their life hard then maybe they can make this group bigger, but for now it seems that majority doesn't like the idea since they don't know if this group is beneficial to them. Maybe if there's one influential person will handle the group maybe they can make this to happen but for just like this I guess there's zero chance that this possible group will proceed since trust is the main concern by people here.

Newer casinos might have observed well if what are the demands of the gamblers but there are some who just rush. Despite of having a lot of options, I know a gambler can still be loyal on selected casinos. I guess it's because they already created good memories in it, so they will always be on their hearts no matter what.

Google can show a massive list but we need to be specific with our searches and better include the word " trusted " because there are also lots of scam casinos nowadays. Our forum Bitcointalk will still be a better source than in Google, when it comes to choosing the best crypto casinos. If a site is almost perfect, they may not get a lot of complaints but it's not an excuse to not put a quality support system. Same goes to the new casinos even though they are still small.

For people to join such club they'd need some common goal, some benefit of this whole thing. Like a book reader's club shares reviews of books they read and recommend them to others. They also lend books to each other, so both these things make members of the club waste less time on bad titles and less money on books other members can give them for free.
What would a gambling club member benefit from? The club would have to be able get exclusive bonuses, tournament invites, maybe deals to test new features of existing sites for a pay.
If you want to share stories, you can do it here.

If it is a closed group or private group of people, then it would not be an union per definion. Unions are supposed to be open to new participants who can prove they belong to a specific part of an industry, being the biggest example lately the Auto worker union in the United States.

I believe that if the objective is to make casinos know that they are supposed to comply which some minimum standards, it would be better to read their Terms of Service, study them and see if they are compatible with the law in whatever jurisdiction the casino is based.
If those laws are not compatible with the Terms of Service of a casino or any kind of online service, then just inform those in charge of keeping an eye on it.
Sounds more straight forward than starting an organization on the internet with no recognition.

I see it the same way. As soon as you take on this role, you have to be aware that the support from such a union is also exploited, for example in the case of justified suspensions or losses that are blamed on an unfair algorithm. As a union, you are then probably very quickly no longer welcome at the casinos, since the unnecessary, additional communication for the casinos also means a lot of effort.

I see the idea as positive in principle, but it will most likely fail because of the implementation. Precisely because there are enough people who exploit something like this for their own purposes.

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I have a request: could you use punctuation and/or paragraphs in your posts? They are so very hard to read!

I don't think if there's a need for this kind of a thing, though it depends on the kind of people involved, this can be done when it's a closed group whereby members create such avenue because they know each other or have on one occasion met together under a trusted program or activities, if we are talking about joining a union of which we don't know the people involved or trust their reputation, it will be risky to join such and it could also make no difference to the social media platforms where scams are being taken place unregulated, except for a cause or purpose of trust and familiarity, this may not be a take for almost everyone.

If you think the casino is not fair to you and you are being mistreated, then go create a gambler’s union. But let me remind you that once other gamblers have joined in, and share the same problems, just a piece of advice, never jump on any conclusion but learn to investigate first since there’s always two sides of the story. There are gamblers who always play victim but in reality, they are the one’s at fault why the casino has turned down their account. On my point of view, once you decide to play in casinos, you know already the risk and that the casino will always beat the players. So if some gamblers are just joining on the union because they think they are cheated, at least they should know that being at loss even if it’s a consistent loss does not mean that the casino is not already fair and is cheating.

You may have good intentions but I doubt if it's going to work because, in reality, it's hard to bind gamblers have you seen a big Gamblers union offline I don't think there exists, there's such a thing as a club but I doubt if it's possible to establish a Union, and how do you manage it by asking fee so they can fight their cause in case they lose and they lose because of their addiction and they just want to recover their losses, your intention is good but you're going to face many issues that gamblers are the one bringing.

I like this because you can do Something that can make the Voice of those who do not listen heard heard, with Cases that are more specific Many have Problems with money Withdrawals , because they Ask for a lot of KYC and that Makes it impossible good to do Any type of activity , so what I have thought About this is that this has some type of Political Power here in the forum where they have a President and secretaries where They handle all the problems that they can fight and can obtain results , because you are welcome . It's good to have a union and it doesn't work , I mean , make me laugh , it has to be Something very Serious.

I just stumbled upon this post now and I must say that you have good intentions to help gamblers who felt cheated by casinos even after contacting their customer care service but do you think that would be very easy to handle if your organisation have no supportive force to back up with their activities. Casinos too have their ways of resolving with their clients and to this effect they do that amicably so as to avoid escalations from their customers and I believe any customer that is found wanting would definitely lose out and in that case they would have their way to you for support and if you do not investigate properly, you might just be wasting your time and lastly, there are few members here who does this exercise which you are interested in. I guess you should join team with them or possibly study from them too.

Any bad experience especially if there's valid proof to support their claims will be a bad publicity to the casino and they might lose a lot of costumers if they found out that there costumers has been really compromised then not getting any help to solve their issue. There are casinos has been kick off by community due to shady activities but for those reputable casino been accused about doing something unusual to their costumer I guess many will get skeptical with those claims especially if no valid proof has been presented and the account use is a newly created one. Would agree that the union is not necessarily needed since we already have this forum where we can talk a lot of things and performance of any casino is included. If someone will be found out that doing suspicious actions like scamming or wrecking someone's bet for sure they will not last long here since to many people will criticize their negative actions made to those users.

It would be difficult to judge your personal case and why Stake decided to retire your account without knowing how did the discussion go. It is not possible either if your were right and mistreated or if you wanted something that was not really fair, but on regards to creating a Union, it is not a bad idea. This forum already gives some basis as you can check complaints and reputations.

    I don’t see why a casino or gambling platform will want to treat their customers unfairly, if any is doing that then they will be losing customers and when customers don’t come to patronize them, they will be going out of business. Running a casino or gambling business is just like running any other business and to be best knowledge customer services are always taken as major priority in any business. Every casino platform have the FAQ option where costumer can ask questions.
  The union is not really a necessary thing, because I don’t know what else need to be discussed in the union, every casino and gambling platform have their own different rules and regulations and I guess before you’d register you would be ask to agree to their terms and conditions. If you not getting the right service from a particular casino or gambling company there are other options out there you can choose from. This is why it’s important to know what you’re signing up for so you won’t regret your decision. I just want to ask the OP if the union is formed where will they take their complaints to if time for protesting comes ?

Speaking about Union then it would really be pertaining to this;
A union is an organization formed by workers who join together and use their strength to have a voice in their workplace. Through their union, workers have the ability to negotiate from a position of strength with employers over wages, benefits, workplace health and safety, job training and other work-related issues Source

Which if we do try to look on what OP is trying to express or say then it is really that totally not that correlated.Just like what you said that gamblers are consumers and its really that quite not that in connect
if we do speak on trying out to fight for something specially for the rights or whatsoever concerns which needs to be addressed. This is why it would really be that important that you should
really know on how to choose reputable or known sites which it would really be that removing into those probabilities on experiencing some situations specially on support system.
If you do find yourself that getting that having not good treatment then you could always have that opt to look for another place.

I think the idea is not bad, sometimes a casino is not to Blame if the support treated you badly at some point, because things can be fixed by talking or clarifying how things happened, however the initiative is good, above all there is There are many problems now such as KYC issues, VPNs, perhaps if they raise their voices a lot they can put some casinos into Consideration , because things when it comes to casinos are very delicate when they start to question them. Maybe one or two people don't give them much importance, but if you manage to create a Community they can make a good noise, it's not bad, there are many people who are always complaining about many problems, and sometimes they don't give them much attention. the sport, but in part this type of Organization must do it very well, because otherwise they would be a laughingstock, because if many Scammers Leave, they invent many things to harm someone and without any type of screen capture because it is not the Idea , I think that Things are always going to happen from that point of View , when we are clear About things as they are, then there is Nothing to Do.

In the forum there are many Topics of this style of KYC, VPN , and Especially about cases of Addiction, we do not know how many people at this moment are suffering from gambling addiction, which obviously need our attention and all our Support If you also focus on it you can do many good things, it will draw the attention of the People who have power and who can donate funds so that they can help people get out of this Problem , so that they can spend it on specialists, on medicine For those who Deserve it , when They are Completely Verifiable Cases of Addictio n, it is not just to start speaking badly about a casino or try to discredit it , because if that is what they Are for they will not receive any type of support either and as I said before , They would be a Make me Laugh.

I think the example you offer, regarding 1xbit may be not completely appropriate, because in my opinion, that webpage still being up is a chronic case of both problem of jurisdiction and also corruption. There must be some powerful people behind it being up to this day.

Since what OP is talking about does not have any legal precedent (which I am aware of), it would likely see as a boycott and not a formal organization in the eyes of the laws, and boycotts are nor regulated either.

Sometimes I wonder whether the pattern company of the shady 1xbit scams as many people as the former, because since it manages FIAT, in theory it would be harder for them to get away with it. 

I mean how does op intend to enforce this even if he gets prove of cheating or scam against the gambler? Is he going to get the FBI to enforce it and take the casino and the owner to court and ask for compensation or damages? This is a pretty difficult assignment that he is wanting to embark on because some gamblers may also drop their accusations at the middle just as it is known with court cases that the accuse would later drop the case for one reason or the other. However, I wish him good luck for trying to raise an army to protect gamblers.