Topic: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath) - page 2. (Read 7150 times)
Yeah.... I knew something was fishy when I first read that one of the attackers were originally from Libya. First of all, there are only a handful of Libyans in the UK. And almost all of them were brought to the UK, when Gaddafi was overthrown.
BREAKING NEWS:
Why am I only reading just now, the day before the election, that both London attacker Rachid Redouane and Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Gaddafi?
People are now saying that they were both recruited by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria. The reason that being frequently reported to the PREVENT program did nothing is because they weren't on a watchlist, they were on our own government's payroll!
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. SHIT?
If there turns out to be even the slightest hint of truth to this, we are absolutely NOT SAFE under Theresa May!
You need to look at the situation soberly and toughly solve this problem. First of all, every person living in Europe today is afraid of any Muslim and is not ready to live with them. Radical steps are needed to stamp out the Islamists' stay in the countries of Europe. Otherwise, we will suffer every day from their actions. Why am I only reading just now, the day before the election, that both London attacker Rachid Redouane and Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Gaddafi?
People are now saying that they were both recruited by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria. The reason that being frequently reported to the PREVENT program did nothing is because they weren't on a watchlist, they were on our own government's payroll!
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It’s little wonder that just one day before the general election, Theresa May has gone camera shy. Theresa May is hiding from questions by journalists about her activities as Home Secretary which saw the recruitment of British Jihadis by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria and who were given freedom of movement and funding to come in and out of the UK as they pleased. Hiding from questions about her selling Billions of pounds of weaponry to Saudi Arabia, the biggest supplier of weapons to ISIS. Hiding from questions about cutting military personnel by 35,000, police numbers by 20,000 and firefighters by 10,000.
"A London attacker and UK covert operations in Syria and Libya. The Telegraph reports that London attacker Rachid Redouane fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Qadafi – as did Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber – and joined a militia which went on to send jihadist fighters to Syria. In Libya, he is believed to have fought with the Liwa al Ummah unit.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/a-london-attacker-and-uk-covert-operations-in-syria-and-libya/#_ftn1
"'Sorted' by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gaddafi"
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488
"TERROR IN BRITAIN: WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER KNOW?"
http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know
"British Libyans and Libyan exiles in Britain, who saw their “control orders” lifted and their passports returned by MI5 six years ago so they could go and fight Gaddafi were never going to turn into sober citizens the day after his fall. Just as the link is undeniable between the perpetrators of 9/11 and the US and Saudi backing for Jihadis fighting the Communists in Afghanistan in the 1980s, so too is the connection between the Manchester bombing and the British Government using Salafi-jihadis from the UK to get rid of Gaddafi."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/30/we-cant-britainbecome-a-vast-isis-recruiting-station/
"A London attacker and UK covert operations in Syria and Libya. The Telegraph reports that London attacker Rachid Redouane fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Qadafi – as did Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber – and joined a militia which went on to send jihadist fighters to Syria. In Libya, he is believed to have fought with the Liwa al Ummah unit.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/a-london-attacker-and-uk-covert-operations-in-syria-and-libya/#_ftn1
"'Sorted' by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gaddafi"
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488
"TERROR IN BRITAIN: WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER KNOW?"
http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know
"British Libyans and Libyan exiles in Britain, who saw their “control orders” lifted and their passports returned by MI5 six years ago so they could go and fight Gaddafi were never going to turn into sober citizens the day after his fall. Just as the link is undeniable between the perpetrators of 9/11 and the US and Saudi backing for Jihadis fighting the Communists in Afghanistan in the 1980s, so too is the connection between the Manchester bombing and the British Government using Salafi-jihadis from the UK to get rid of Gaddafi."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/30/we-cant-britainbecome-a-vast-isis-recruiting-station/
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. SHIT?
If there turns out to be even the slightest hint of truth to this, we are absolutely NOT SAFE under Theresa May!
BREAKING NEWS:
Why am I only reading just now, the day before the election, that both London attacker Rachid Redouane and Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Gaddafi?
People are now saying that they were both recruited by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria. The reason that being frequently reported to the PREVENT program did nothing is because they weren't on a watchlist, they were on our own government's payroll!
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. SHIT?
If there turns out to be even the slightest hint of truth to this, we are absolutely NOT SAFE under Theresa May!
Why am I only reading just now, the day before the election, that both London attacker Rachid Redouane and Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Gaddafi?
People are now saying that they were both recruited by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria. The reason that being frequently reported to the PREVENT program did nothing is because they weren't on a watchlist, they were on our own government's payroll!
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It’s little wonder that just one day before the general election, Theresa May has gone camera shy. Theresa May is hiding from questions by journalists about her activities as Home Secretary which saw the recruitment of British Jihadis by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria and who were given freedom of movement and funding to come in and out of the UK as they pleased. Hiding from questions about her selling Billions of pounds of weaponry to Saudi Arabia, the biggest supplier of weapons to ISIS. Hiding from questions about cutting military personnel by 35,000, police numbers by 20,000 and firefighters by 10,000.
"A London attacker and UK covert operations in Syria and Libya. The Telegraph reports that London attacker Rachid Redouane fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Qadafi – as did Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber – and joined a militia which went on to send jihadist fighters to Syria. In Libya, he is believed to have fought with the Liwa al Ummah unit.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/a-london-attacker-and-uk-covert-operations-in-syria-and-libya/#_ftn1
"'Sorted' by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gaddafi"
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488
"TERROR IN BRITAIN: WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER KNOW?"
http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know
"British Libyans and Libyan exiles in Britain, who saw their “control orders” lifted and their passports returned by MI5 six years ago so they could go and fight Gaddafi were never going to turn into sober citizens the day after his fall. Just as the link is undeniable between the perpetrators of 9/11 and the US and Saudi backing for Jihadis fighting the Communists in Afghanistan in the 1980s, so too is the connection between the Manchester bombing and the British Government using Salafi-jihadis from the UK to get rid of Gaddafi."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/30/we-cant-britainbecome-a-vast-isis-recruiting-station/
"A London attacker and UK covert operations in Syria and Libya. The Telegraph reports that London attacker Rachid Redouane fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Qadafi – as did Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber – and joined a militia which went on to send jihadist fighters to Syria. In Libya, he is believed to have fought with the Liwa al Ummah unit.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/a-london-attacker-and-uk-covert-operations-in-syria-and-libya/#_ftn1
"'Sorted' by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gaddafi"
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488
"TERROR IN BRITAIN: WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER KNOW?"
http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know
"British Libyans and Libyan exiles in Britain, who saw their “control orders” lifted and their passports returned by MI5 six years ago so they could go and fight Gaddafi were never going to turn into sober citizens the day after his fall. Just as the link is undeniable between the perpetrators of 9/11 and the US and Saudi backing for Jihadis fighting the Communists in Afghanistan in the 1980s, so too is the connection between the Manchester bombing and the British Government using Salafi-jihadis from the UK to get rid of Gaddafi."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/30/we-cant-britainbecome-a-vast-isis-recruiting-station/
WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. SHIT?
If there turns out to be even the slightest hint of truth to this, we are absolutely NOT SAFE under Theresa May!
How much Saudi money did the PM take, would you know?
Since March 2015, the UK Government has approved 194 export licences for arms and related equipment to Saudi Arabia, worth an estimated £3.5 billion. This is despite numerous calls to halt arms exports after Saudi airstrikes in Yemen have violated international law.
These arms sales themselves are also in direct contravention of international law. The UK is a signed and ratified member of the Arms Trade Treaty, aiming to restrict the number of weapons that could be used for war crimes:
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The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) was adopted by the UN General Assembly to regulate the international trade in conventional arms by establishing the highest international standards and to prevent and eradicate illicit trade and diversion of conventional arms.
The ATT contributes to international and regional peace, security and stability, reducing human suffering, and promoting cooperation, transparency and responsible action among the international community.
The ATT contributes to international and regional peace, security and stability, reducing human suffering, and promoting cooperation, transparency and responsible action among the international community.
The UK now completely undermines this treaty and acts in violation of it.
All this while the government attempt to bury a report into the funding of terrorism doesn't look good, to put it mildly. You can listen to what the Foreign Secretary, Boris "Arseclown" Johnson, struggles to get the words out to say about it here.
A human rights charity has also warned that May risks handing terrorists their greatest victory:
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"Our human rights laws are the legacy of World War Two, the brainchild of a Conservative Prime Minister and drafted by British lawyers. They're a beacon of hope for those still fighting for basic rights elsewhere. And, most importantly, they continue to help ordinary people all over this country - from trafficking victims to the Hillsborough families.
"If Theresa May does what she threatens, she will go down in history as the Prime Minister who handed terrorists their greatest victory. For cheap political points and headlines, she is willing to undermine our democracy, our freedom and our rights – the very things these violent murderers seek to attack.
"All this and we'll be no safer – our security services and police already have vast powers to tackle terror and hate speech and monitor those they suspect of doing us harm."
"If Theresa May does what she threatens, she will go down in history as the Prime Minister who handed terrorists their greatest victory. For cheap political points and headlines, she is willing to undermine our democracy, our freedom and our rights – the very things these violent murderers seek to attack.
"All this and we'll be no safer – our security services and police already have vast powers to tackle terror and hate speech and monitor those they suspect of doing us harm."
In other news, tory 'strong and stable' advertising van overturns in the wind.
And May becomes the first serving Prime Minister in 7 General Elections to refuse an interview with the great British institution that is Jon Snow. Shameful.
Maybe it's due to the humiliating but accurate hammering she took the last time she faced off with a veteran interviewer, when this happened:
How much Saudi money did the PM take, would you know?
Everyone takes the Saudi money. What is wrong in it? It will be wrong to blame Theresa May for it, when Jeremy Corbyn is even more likely to accept funds from the GCC nations such as KSA and the United Arab Emirates.
Natives, Schmatives.
I get your point though, you're saying that the terrorists have Islamic roots.
Perhaps the UK should have been more restrictive on its immigration policy 50 years ago...
But don't forget that if that were the case, we probably wouldn't have the NHS, which benefited hugely from Pakistani and Indian immigrants in the 70s and 80s.
if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.
Until 1962 I believe every single member of the Commonwealth had the right to live and work in the UK. That would've added up to about 800 million people which would've been a squeeze.
The Daily Mail has now gone full retard - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4578716/Apologists-terror-Corbyn-McDonnell-Abbott.html
Judging by the comments even White Van Man is tiring a little now, or it's been invaded by Momentum.
Bloody hell, I didn't read it all but the first few paragraphs read like full-on smear tactics, spin and scathing propaganda. I think they're scared...
It's funny you mention "White Van Man". I know of the demographic, but perhaps if Theresa banned actual white vans, and kitchen knives, she might do a better job of combatting terrorism than demanding back doors in our internet applications...
Vote for anti-Islamic politician, if you don't, your grandchildren will be Muslim.
There are no viable choices. The Labor party is the worst, but the Tories are not too far behind. Both are in for Muslim appeasement. And the UKIP is having hardly any chances in most of the regions, although they are very moderate.
I am not a fan of the Tories, but they are the best option right now, Since Blair left, the Labour part has been in tatters, their leader Corbyn is a joke and I don't know how come he hasn't been challenged yet for the leadership of the party.
You must be rich, or disillusioned.
The Tories are in bed with big business, they will allow the inequality of the UK to become even more pronounced, by enforcing taxes on the poor and middle class, and allow offshore businesses to operate on our shores with zero contributions.
They will give more power to the financial sector, hurting Bitcoin. They will enforce surveillance, both on our internet connections and our streets, invading the privacy of the population.
They will fail to counter terrorist attacks, because they think that they can counter them with "internet surveillance", "banning encryption", "forcing companies to allow back doors in software", and "not allowing safe spaces on the internet".
Thanks Theresa, for cutting 20% of our police officers when you were Home Secretary, police officers that could have prevented terrorist attacks. Instead you funnel our taxes into internet surveillance which achieves nothing (and many might argue endangers the privacy and civil liberties of your citizens).
They refuse to legalise drugs - even when the majority of the USA is legalising marijuana for recreational use, they fail to see the moral side of the issue, and exempt our economy from the huge amount of revenue that this would generate. Because they need the votes of old, stupid people.
They are stupid, archaic, and out of touch with the world of technology.
I'm not a huge fan of Labour, but the Tories are fucking obsolete in terms of the technological world we live in today. I would hope that anyone on a Bitcoin forum could see that, and tactically vote against them.
Bitcoin: This Machine
Natives, Schmatives.
I get your point though, you're saying that the terrorists have Islamic roots.
Perhaps the UK should have been more restrictive on its immigration policy 50 years ago...
But don't forget that if that were the case, we probably wouldn't have the NHS, which benefited hugely from Pakistani and Indian immigrants in the 70s and 80s.
if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.
Until 1962 I believe every single member of the Commonwealth had the right to live and work in the UK. That would've added up to about 800 million people which would've been a squeeze.
The Daily Mail has now gone full retard - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4578716/Apologists-terror-Corbyn-McDonnell-Abbott.html
Judging by the comments even White Van Man is tiring a little now, or it's been invaded by Momentum.
Vote for anti-Islamic politician, if you don't, your grandchildren will be Muslim.
There are no viable choices. The Labor party is the worst, but the Tories are not too far behind. Both are in for Muslim appeasement. And the UKIP is having hardly any chances in most of the regions, although they are very moderate.
I am not a fan of the Tories, but they are the best option right now, Since Blair left, the Labour part has been in tatters, their leader Corbyn is a joke and I don't know how come he hasn't been challenged yet for the leadership of the party.
You will lose if you are not more brutal than they are.
The perfect American
If a problem isn't solved with bombs it means you haven't used enough bombs right?
Please you ugly stupid motherfucker, could you try to use your FUCKING BRAIN FOR ONCE IN YOUR PATHETIC LIFETIME?
Damn I got angry
You can't fight ideals and ideas with violence it just DOESN'T WORK!
What are you going to do? Bomb the whole Middle East without any consideration towards innocent citizens? Fine! Imagine we do that, what will happen next?
GREAT JOB! By bombing the whole Middle East and killing millions of innocents you actually gave AN EXCELLENT reasons for citizens of all around the world to hate you, despize you and try to destroy you! You MIGHT HAVE DESTROYED ONE TERRORIST GROUP (and it's not guaranteed at all unless you use 500 atomic bombs) and you created 50 new ones! Excellent really!
USE YOUR BRAIN
Give me ONE EXAMPLE, just ONE, of a country that managed to annihilate terrorism or guerilla through war!
answer: there are none!!!
And to even think people like you vote ><
But sure, go on do like the Americans, 40 years of wars all around the world, 40 years of defeats, 40 years of creating more and more terrorists, 40 years of simply giving more money to weapons producers...
I'm not watching youtube videos.
If you want to convince me you're gonna have to use words like a civilised person.
If you want to convince me you're gonna have to use words like a civilised person.
Who said I hate Muslims? I don't hate people.
I hate the Islamist ideology. I am all for freedom.
Freedom does not mean you allow the enemy to operate on your territory.
When you are at war, you need to protect your country and protect your borders. You do this to protect your freedoms, you little twit!!!
Firstly, there is no war. There are dumbass annoying twats blowing shit up - they are not part of an army. If there was an army, then there would be multiple attacks every day, and that's not the case.
The war on terror is not a real war. It is a clash of ideologies of the west, and the individual extremist Islamists who choose to counter those ideologies. They are obviously tiny in number, as you are more likely to be killed by some furniture in the UK, than by a terrorist. They are pretty much all lone wolves.
Secondly, protecting our borders will do absolutely no good, as the people that carry out these attacks are predominantly British citizens already.
You are in denial. Go ahead, wait until you'll have multiple attacks every day.
If you are non-Muslim go and live in Dearborn, MI. See how long you'll last.
I think you are simply ill-informed and brainwashed.
Nice arguments... oh wait. You didn't actually say anything.
A. You claim to predict the future.
B. You presume my religion and ask me to live somewhere else.
C. You present an ad hominem attack on my character.
Try addressing my points, rather than spouting random bullshit.
Who said I hate Muslims? I don't hate people.
I hate the Islamist ideology. I am all for freedom.
Freedom does not mean you allow the enemy to operate on your territory.
When you are at war, you need to protect your country and protect your borders. You do this to protect your freedoms, you little twit!!!
Firstly, there is no war. There are dumbass annoying twats blowing shit up - they are not part of an army. If there was an army, then there would be multiple attacks every day, and that's not the case.
The war on terror is not a real war. It is a clash of ideologies of the west, and the individual extremist Islamists who choose to counter those ideologies. They are obviously tiny in number, as you are more likely to be killed by some furniture in the UK, than by a terrorist. They are pretty much all lone wolves.
Secondly, protecting our borders will do absolutely no good, as the people that carry out these attacks are predominantly British citizens already.
You are in denial. Go ahead, wait until you'll have multiple attacks every day.
If you are non-Muslim go and live in Dearborn, MI. See how long you'll last.
I think you are simply ill-informed and brainwashed.
Who said I hate Muslims? I don't hate people.
I hate the Islamist ideology. I am all for freedom.
Freedom does not mean you allow the enemy to operate on your territory.
When you are at war, you need to protect your country and protect your borders. You do this to protect your freedoms, you little twit!!!
Firstly, there is no war. There are dumbass annoying twats blowing shit up - they are not part of an army. If there was an army, then there would be multiple attacks every day, and that's not the case.
The war on terror is not a real war. It is a clash of ideologies of the west, and the individual extremist Islamists who choose to counter those ideologies. They are obviously tiny in number, as you are more likely to be killed by some furniture in the UK, than by a terrorist. They are pretty much all lone wolves.
Secondly, protecting our borders will do absolutely no good, as the people that carry out these attacks are predominantly British citizens already.
Jihadism should be criminalized.
Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.
If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.
You don't understand what's going on. The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency. It's nothing more than provocation on their part. They want you to lower yourself to their level. They're goading you into fighting on their terms. They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create. They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them. Stop falling for it like an idiot. Stop giving in.
For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking. You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation. You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.
Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change. There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are. Pity you're already there, though. Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.
Great post.
This is what I don't understand about the mindset of a Tory voter - The party will literally and flagrantly take away the freedoms that make Britain so great. Their nonsense about censoring the internet is especially worrying, yet they fail to put police on the street where they can actually make a difference. Theresa May cut thousands of police jobs when she was Home Secretary.
Not to mention the immmigration debate which is ridiculous on two levels: Firstly the Conservative party has failed to curb immigration and it has increased while they were in power; secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens, so their immigration policy wouldn't have worked anyway.
A vote for the Tories is not in 90% of the members' of this forum's interest...
BUT NOT NATIVES ..^^^
The parents come over for a job and have a baby and then teach that child WHAT?..
Well if i am from ITALY i will teach my child even though i live in Spain how to make PASTA
or become a gangster the MAFIA and will teach them CHRISTIANITY ..
Now if your from CHINA even though you live in the UK you teach your child how to make PEKING DUCK and have a BET..
Now if your from PAKISTAN you will teach your child to do WHAT even though you live in Spain?..
would they teach the daughters to go out and enjoy themselves and have a boy friend?..
would they teach them CHRISTIANITY and to forgive all?..
I could imagine they teach them the ways of the KORAN being a MUSLIM
Natives, Schmatives.
I get your point though, you're saying that the terrorists have Islamic roots.
Perhaps the UK should have been more restrictive on its immigration policy 50 years ago...
But don't forget that if that were the case, we probably wouldn't have the NHS, which benefited hugely from Pakistani and Indian immigrants in the 70s and 80s.
if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.
You are so right BUT why ISLAMS why not GREECE ITALY CANADA all with many people looking for a job..
And as for India they have never been a problem NOT EVER ..
I love the NONE MUSLIM Indians ..They are apart of our culture they will mix ..
But even they cannot over fill our nation NOT ENOUGH getting built to cope..
Like a football stadium only so many seats then you need to shut the doors..
But the ISLAM is a crazy belief system that many do not like ONLY A MUSLIM does..
And who's RELIGION is causing all THIS?..
Not me i don't believe in FAIRY TALES..
And many British people don't believe in fairy tales SO you can imagine the shock when someone kills people because we don't believe what they believe..FAIRY TALES..
So you begin to wonder are these people for real?..
And not very many are saying it's the Islam..
If i went in your shop and blew your shop up and said THIS IS FOR HORSES ..
You would tell the police he killed for WHAT?.. For sheep..
If they go in and said this allahu akbar this is for the infidels
then you would say to the police they done it for what..
WELL GIVE YOURSELF A PAT ON THE BACK..Oh and 10 house points and a gold star..
Jihadism should be criminalized.
Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.
If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.
You don't understand what's going on. The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency. It's nothing more than provocation on their part. They want you to lower yourself to their level. They're goading you into fighting on their terms. They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create. They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them. Stop falling for it like an idiot. Stop giving in.
For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking. You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation. You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.
Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change. There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are. Pity you're already there, though. Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.
Great post.
This is what I don't understand about the mindset of a Tory voter - The party will literally and flagrantly take away the freedoms that make Britain so great. Their nonsense about censoring the internet is especially worrying, yet they fail to put police on the street where they can actually make a difference. Theresa May cut thousands of police jobs when she was Home Secretary.
Not to mention the immmigration debate which is ridiculous on two levels: Firstly the Conservative party has failed to curb immigration and it has increased while they were in power; secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens, so their immigration policy wouldn't have worked anyway.
A vote for the Tories is not in 90% of the members' of this forum's interest...
BUT NOT NATIVES ..^^^
The parents come over for a job and have a baby and then teach that child WHAT?..
Well if i am from ITALY i will teach my child even though i live in Spain how to make PASTA
or become a gangster the MAFIA and will teach them CHRISTIANITY ..
Now if your from CHINA even though you live in the UK you teach your child how to make PEKING DUCK and have a BET..
Now if your from PAKISTAN you will teach your child to do WHAT even though you live in Spain?..
would they teach the daughters to go out and enjoy themselves and have a boy friend?..
would they teach them CHRISTIANITY and to forgive all?..
I could imagine they teach them the ways of the KORAN being a MUSLIM
Natives, Schmatives.
I get your point though, you're saying that the terrorists have Islamic roots.
Perhaps the UK should have been more restrictive on its immigration policy 50 years ago...
But don't forget that if that were the case, we probably wouldn't have the NHS, which benefited hugely from Pakistani and Indian immigrants in the 70s and 80s.
if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.
Jihadism should be criminalized.
Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.
If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.
You don't understand what's going on. The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency. It's nothing more than provocation on their part. They want you to lower yourself to their level. They're goading you into fighting on their terms. They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create. They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them. Stop falling for it like an idiot. Stop giving in.
For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking. You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation. You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.
Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change. There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are. Pity you're already there, though. Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.
Great post.
This is what I don't understand about the mindset of a Tory voter - The party will literally and flagrantly take away the freedoms that make Britain so great. Their nonsense about censoring the internet is especially worrying, yet they fail to put police on the street where they can actually make a difference. Theresa May cut thousands of police jobs when she was Home Secretary.
Not to mention the immmigration debate which is ridiculous on two levels: Firstly the Conservative party has failed to curb immigration and it has increased while they were in power; secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens, so their immigration policy wouldn't have worked anyway.
A vote for the Tories is not in 90% of the members' of this forum's interest...
BUT NOT NATIVES ..^^^
The parents come over for a job and have a baby and then teach that child WHAT?..
Well if i am from ITALY i will teach my child even though i live in Spain how to make PASTA
or become a gangster the MAFIA and will teach them CHRISTIANITY ..
Now if your from CHINA even though you live in the UK you teach your child how to make PEKING DUCK and have a BET..
Now if your from PAKISTAN you will teach your child to do WHAT even though you live in Spain?..
would they teach the daughters to go out and enjoy themselves and have a boy friend?..
would they teach them CHRISTIANITY and to forgive all?..
I could imagine they teach them the ways of the KORAN being a MUSLIM
How much Saudi money did the PM take, would you know?
Well we wont know until the future like this..Mark Thatcher accused: Sources say he got 12m pounds from arms ...
www.independent.co.uk/.../mark-thatcher-accused-sources-say-he-got-12m-pounds-fr...
8 Oct 1994 - MARK THATCHER made millions of pounds from Britain's huge ... publish, Mr Sheldon said there had been 'no evidence of fraud or corruption'.
Thatcher made secrecy pact with Saudi king over 'corrupt' arms deal ...
https://www.rt.com/uk/310030-saudi-thatcher/
16 Jul 2015 - Margaret Thatcher promised Saudi Arabia secrecy ahead of a £43 ... They were being investigated by Britain's Serious Fraud Office at the time..
And that's why they want to do this...
London Attack: Theresa May Wants to Transform the Internet | Time.com
time.com/4805645/theresa-may-london-attack-internet/
1 day ago - Theresa May Wants to Regulate Cyberspace After the London Attack. ... British Prime Minister Theresa May has focused on vastly improved regulation of the internet since the U.K. suffered its third terrorist attack in the space of three months on Saturday. ..
SHE IS A SNAKE ..So maybe we will know how much in the future or maybe we will never know nothing because the internet been SHUT DOWN..
..And Bitcoin will be worth 1p
..CRIPTIX will shit his pants
Jihadism should be criminalized.
Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.
If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.
You don't understand what's going on. The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency. It's nothing more than provocation on their part. They want you to lower yourself to their level. They're goading you into fighting on their terms. They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create. They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them. Stop falling for it like an idiot. Stop giving in.
For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking. You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation. You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.
Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change. There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are. Pity you're already there, though. Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.
Great post.
This is what I don't understand about the mindset of a Tory voter - The party will literally and flagrantly take away the freedoms that make Britain so great. Their nonsense about censoring the internet is especially worrying, yet they fail to put police on the street where they can actually make a difference. Theresa May cut thousands of police jobs when she was Home Secretary.
Not to mention the immmigration debate which is ridiculous on two levels: Firstly the Conservative party has failed to curb immigration and it has increased while they were in power; secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens, so their immigration policy wouldn't have worked anyway.
A vote for the Tories is not in 90% of the members' of this forum's interest...
How much Saudi money did the PM take, would you know?
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