Underground Casinos Is it Happening?

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 01, 2020, 08:25:19 AM

LOL.. all the casinos here in India are of the "underground" variety. Because gambling activity is banned here, and the majority of the people don't know how to gamble using the online casinos. Therefore I can understand what the OP is talking about. But that said, I don't think that legal casino owners will take the risk to go underground. The penalties are very severe and the risk is simply too high.

I agree.
If you prohibit anything in the country, such as alcohol, everyone will go underground and it will flourish.
But in the case of time constraints, it makes little sense to risk legal business bringing very good income in order to make money illegally.
The casino always has a supply of funds. In addition, they can easily be reformatted online for a while. For example, using webcams and more.

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Quote from: Bitinity on June 02, 2020, 02:00:45 AM

Underground casinos does exist, not only thesedays during the pandemic but they are available since long time ago especially in countries where gambling is considered as ilegal activity. I have heard there are some underground or private casinos in my city, not all people can and play on that casinos. There is something like membership for those who want to play on that casino and I believe these casinos are protected by the local government.

Underground casinos are a reality regardless of the legal status of gambling in the country in which you are living, even if gambling is legal you can be sure that there are underground casinos either because they do not want to pay the high taxes or because they do not want to follow the regulations from the governments, and this can be very dangerous especially on the times in which we are living a pandemic, because it is very likely that those places are not going to implement the necessary sanitary measures that any other business will have to employ in order to keep themselves open.

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Underground casinos does exist, not only thesedays during the pandemic but they are available since long time ago especially in countries where gambling is considered as ilegal activity. I have heard there are some underground or private casinos in my city, not all people can and play on that casinos. There is something like membership for those who want to play on that casino and I believe these casinos are protected by the local government.

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Or even the police chief makes a secret agreement with the casino owner to give protection for their business so there is nothing that can stop them to run the casino. I think that is happening in many countries and many businesses because there are always corrupt people among good people. People only know that the underground casino cannot be touch by the law, and people will be safe to play on that casino.

bruh that's an old fashioned way of protecting, plus that would costs extra from the casino to maintain their operation coz these people were just a mere part of the government. These casinos we're not protected by the police, they are being protected by the local government. Most probably why the government is letting these things to flow is to prevent such a catastrophic chain of circumstance because most of these casinos are run by or connected to a syndicate on which the government is maintaining the peace. You don't move a perfect balanced table in another place.

Underground casinos might be operating by now, but I doubt that the owners are unafraid of the viral disease.

Even though that is an old fashioned way, that still work until today, and we see not just in gambling, but I think that is work in the discotheque or another illegal activity at night. The police give a back up for that place and not just the local government because that means hot money for them so they will protect that place. Yes, there is a money chain that will distribute from that place to another hand which we don't know.

The owner is not afraid because they work behind the table, and his employee will be at the front liner. The owner watches his business run from the other place, so when something wrong happens, the owner will just call the local authority which already receives the hot money to clean the mess.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on June 01, 2020, 10:43:03 AM

Or even the police chief makes a secret agreement with the casino owner to give protection for their business so there is nothing that can stop them to run the casino. I think that is happening in many countries and many businesses because there are always corrupt people among good people. People only know that the underground casino cannot be touch by the law, and people will be safe to play on that casino.

Corruption exists in any state, this is the truth. However, corruption has different volumes in different countries.
It is very bad when underground casinos operate openly and are not afraid of anyone. This undermines the trust of citizens in the country's law enforcement agencies.

Yes, we know corruption is hard to be clean from every country. That is why the underground casino needs to stay at the underground, and not invite many people to come, but only the trust members who can visit that place. The citizens will not know if there is an underground casino operate in their city because the place is at the hidden from anybody.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on June 01, 2020, 03:11:35 PM

"Were"? They still and mostly, they have a deal with cops, because it's cops case to prevent such things, so you need to pay them directly if you don't want to be seized. And very often, such casinos protected by a highest level of police.

If it's a big time casinos highest ranking official are the one protecting it, there's no way a lower rank police officer will protect that officers will demoted or worse they will be fired, a high ranking officers has connections and he is the one supervising in his area, so he can create a cover up.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 01, 2020, 08:25:19 AM

LOL.. all the casinos here in India are of the "underground" variety. Because gambling activity is banned here, and the majority of the people don't know how to gamble using the online casinos. Therefore I can understand what the OP is talking about. But that said, I don't think that legal casino owners will take the risk to go underground. The penalties are very severe and the risk is simply too high.

This is very common on a restricted areas since people are too greedy, they will go for an easy money and underground casinos is happening but it is not controlled by any legal casinos, I'm sure there's a group of people who controls a lot of illegal things. My country have so much gang to host an illegal gambling, in a big country like India, I know its also happening there.

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Quote from: peter0425 on June 01, 2020, 09:23:43 AM

Yups there are countries or cities that banned gambling as the muslim countries i believe don't allow their people to gamble?am not sure but that's what i have heard.

I don't know much about Muslim countries. However, I believe that many of their laws and regulations should be copied by other countres. For example, how they raise children by teaching them to respect their elders. People should not drink alcohol, gamble, etc. This has huge advantages.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on June 01, 2020, 10:43:03 AM

Or even the police chief makes a secret agreement with the casino owner to give protection for their business so there is nothing that can stop them to run the casino. I think that is happening in many countries and many businesses because there are always corrupt people among good people. People only know that the underground casino cannot be touch by the law, and people will be safe to play on that casino.

Corruption exists in any state, this is the truth. However, corruption has different volumes in different countries.
It is very bad when underground casinos operate openly and are not afraid of anyone. This undermines the trust of citizens in the country's law enforcement agencies.

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bruh that's an old fashioned way of protecting, plus that would costs extra from the casino to maintain their operation coz these people were just a mere part of the government. These casinos we're not protected by the police, they are being protected by the local government.

"Were"? They still and mostly, they have a deal with cops, because it's cops case to prevent such things, so you need to pay them directly if you don't want to be seized. And very often, such casinos protected by a highest level of police.

Places like these still exist, yes. They're not only protected by the police, but also with some government officials, or worse the police or government official are one of the associate in running the business.
But being an underground casino ain't just about gambling, It's all about doing dirty businesses. They cant sustain to feed the corrupt officials if they solely rely on gambling profit.

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on June 01, 2020, 03:07:58 PM

bruh that's an old fashioned way of protecting, plus that would costs extra from the casino to maintain their operation coz these people were just a mere part of the government. These casinos we're not protected by the police, they are being protected by the local government.

"Were"? They still and mostly, they have a deal with cops, because it's cops case to prevent such things, so you need to pay them directly if you don't want to be seized. And very often, such casinos protected by a highest level of police.

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Quote from: FontSeli on May 29, 2020, 10:22:21 AM

They don't have any logic. They have only the audacity and confidence that they are not subject to the laws of the country.
And the cruelest part of it. That this government and these people came to power after the revolution under the slogan "Stop tolerating corruption and lawlessness".
It turns out that whoever came to power they will also cover illegal casinos and other criminal businesses.

Or even the police chief makes a secret agreement with the casino owner to give protection for their business so there is nothing that can stop them to run the casino. I think that is happening in many countries and many businesses because there are always corrupt people among good people. People only know that the underground casino cannot be touch by the law, and people will be safe to play on that casino.

bruh that's an old fashioned way of protecting, plus that would costs extra from the casino to maintain their operation coz these people were just a mere part of the government. These casinos we're not protected by the police, they are being protected by the local government. Most probably why the government is letting these things to flow is to prevent such a catastrophic chain of circumstance because most of these casinos are run by or connected to a syndicate on which the government is maintaining the peace. You don't move a perfect balanced table in another place.

Underground casinos might be operating by now, but I doubt that the owners are unafraid of the viral disease.

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Quote from: FontSeli on May 29, 2020, 10:22:21 AM

They don't have any logic. They have only the audacity and confidence that they are not subject to the laws of the country.
And the cruelest part of it. That this government and these people came to power after the revolution under the slogan "Stop tolerating corruption and lawlessness".
It turns out that whoever came to power they will also cover illegal casinos and other criminal businesses.

Or even the police chief makes a secret agreement with the casino owner to give protection for their business so there is nothing that can stop them to run the casino. I think that is happening in many countries and many businesses because there are always corrupt people among good people. People only know that the underground casino cannot be touch by the law, and people will be safe to play on that casino.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 01, 2020, 08:25:19 AM

LOL.. all the casinos here in India are of the "underground" variety. Because gambling activity is banned here, and the majority of the people don't know how to gamble using the online casinos. Therefore I can understand what the OP is talking about. But that said, I don't think that legal casino owners will take the risk to go underground. The penalties are very severe and the risk is simply too high.

meaning the whole India is under banning of gambling that's why all of the Gambling there are going silent?
all of them are underground and only few people knows how to gamble online using VPN?

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And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.

I think that the reason is not the responsibility of the player. Here the state should understand that it is better to legalize casinos in certain areas than to have problems with underground casinos. If players have a choice, they will go to legal casinos.

From my experience, the legalization and tax problems force the casino owners to go underground and they continue to operate until something stops their activity. The third world countries are more famous regarding the case and governments advocate the reasons behind degenerating gambling mindset. If there were a mindset and psychological controls for entrance in casinos, I doubt someone will let their relatives go underground casinos if you know what I mean.

Personally, my opinion on this issue is as follows. There should be casinos in the country so that people can blow off steam and gamble. However, casinos don't have to be in every city. They should be massively concentrated in special gaming zones, such as Las Vegas.
Then people will be able to gamble and there will be no demand for underground casinos.

Yups there are countries or cities that banned gambling as the muslim countries i believe don't allow their people to gamble?am not sure but that's what i have heard.

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LOL.. all the casinos here in India are of the "underground" variety. Because gambling activity is banned here, and the majority of the people don't know how to gamble using the online casinos. Therefore I can understand what the OP is talking about. But that said, I don't think that legal casino owners will take the risk to go underground. The penalties are very severe and the risk is simply too high.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on May 29, 2020, 08:48:59 AM

It's some simple logic from people like that - "Yep, casinos it's bad, but sometimes i want to have a place where i can chill with my friends and lose some money in gambling. This will be place just for me and limited circle of people. I do not force or ask anyone to come here and play". That's very popular logic. So, someone created such underground casino and it become protected, police chief and other consider it as "their" place of the rest. It's hard to do anything about that.

The same as with prostitutes or drugs.

They don't have any logic. They have only the audacity and confidence that they are not subject to the laws of the country.
And the cruelest part of it. That this government and these people came to power after the revolution under the slogan "Stop tolerating corruption and lawlessness".
It turns out that whoever came to power they will also cover illegal casinos and other criminal businesses.

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Quote from: FontSeli on May 28, 2020, 06:52:39 PM

Illegal online casinos will be much more difficult to close.

yes it is, just because because most of such casinos (or some other illegal services) is protected on the highest level of government. It's some simple logic from people like that - "Yep, casinos it's bad, but sometimes i want to have a place where i can chill with my friends and lose some money in gambling. This will be place just for me and limited circle of people. I do not force or ask anyone to come here and play". That's very popular logic. So, someone created such underground casino and it become protected, police chief and other consider it as "their" place of the rest. It's hard to do anything about that.

The same as with prostitutes or drugs.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on May 28, 2020, 06:33:18 PM

And this was till last year, when our police minister in a day closed ALL casinos in Ukraine (and yeah, in main cities they were closed in one day) after president ask him to do this. So interesting, that he didn't do it during all 5 years on his position, but resolve it in a day after get asked about that.

When you get a lot of money from underground casinos, it is very difficult to refuse them. Did Avakov close all the casinos with tears in his eyes?
Illegal online casinos will be much more difficult to close.

I am glad that this happened in your country. Come and play at our casino in Minsk. Cool

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Quote from: robelneo on May 21, 2020, 10:14:27 AM

Do you think it's happening right now or do you know of one in your city?

I have no doubts that in my country there such kind of casinos that wasn't closed even on pandemic. In our country some elite restaurants still works (for trusted members of course), why not to be the same with casinos?

I have a better story: In Ukraine, casinos is forbidden since 2009, but it was very funny to see all this brightening signboards of casinos which you could visit anytime and which was anywhere (but mostly they changed their game time to online games). Enough hypocrite. And everyone knew that police is getting money from them, and that "online casino" is in fact the same casino as is slot machine, but because our corrupted government, there wasn't much things to do.

And this was till last year, when our police minister in a day closed ALL casinos in Ukraine (and yeah, in main cities they were closed in one day) after president ask him to do this. So interesting, that he didn't do it during all 5 years on his position, but resolve it in a day after get asked about that.

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Casinos of this kind took place before the pandemic. In many countries, similarly, some casinos and private owners bypass taxes.
I am sure that many of these casinos will be raided with arrests and subsequent court cases.

But in those countries in which casinos of this kind have always been the norm - they are the norm and will remain and blossom with new colors.
The issue of spreading Covid is solved through the use of gloves and special convenient means of protection, in a normal mask it is difficult for a long time especially in the basement, in which such underground casinos are often based.

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Yes, I just wonder why gamblers are not understanding about the government regulations like the government is providing guidelines only for the welfare of them and they will not be getting any benefit by locking them down within their home. Some governments already started relaxing the restrictions of lockdown and this could be the most anticipated announcement for gamblers because now they do not need to breach any regulations.

The urge of gambling must be the reason why people go for gambling even with underground casinos. There should be double the risk like they may get infected by covid19 and if they caught by authorities that may lead to legal punishments as well. Still, we do see people are risking just for the reason of gambling addictions. The urge of gambling may induce people to do anything, that is the thing we are learning here.

They probably understand these measures are for their own good at an intellectual level, however their need to gamble has probably reached compulsive levels and they cannot control the urge to gamble anymore after months of lockdown, and in a way we all can understand the desire to go back to our normal lives so try to imagine what those gamblers are feeling, however that is really no excuse for them to gamble in underground casinos and put all of us at risk, because it is really doubtful that if those places are open violating the lockdown that they are going to somehow respect the other measures needed to restrict the advance of the pandemic.

They wont really mind that much on thinking on the current situation of the world now towards pandemic as long they can play then that wont really be much an issue to them but lets hope that they do
still impose strict health safety precautions to stop the spread of virus even they do force out to play into that underground casino.For sure they do exist and do happen yet there are people who
are really eager to play in spite of the situation even though they do operate illegally but people wouldnt really care at all as long they can fulfill their desire to gamble.

Quote from: StephenJH on May 27, 2020, 06:44:51 PM

From my experience, the legalization and tax problems force the casino owners to go underground and they continue to operate until something stops their activity. The third world countries are more famous regarding the case and governments advocate the reasons behind degenerating gambling mindset. If there were a mindset and psychological controls for entrance in casinos, I doubt someone will let their relatives go underground casinos if you know what I mean.

Fact, if there are casino owners that are law abiding ones then there are also who dont like to be taxed even though we arent on a pandemic situation
they do still exist on a normal day living. Taxation and laws/orders that they do try to avoid.Yeah they know the risk but they do still continue
until they do bust out.

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Quote from: yazher on May 27, 2020, 07:50:00 AM

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Because back in the early 2000s even our ex-president had been caught playing casino. what a bad choice they made back then.

The fact of playing in a casino is not something reprehensible. Only excessive gambling is socially reprehensible.

I agree. It is not something that degrades you as a person, gambling is a mere fact of a form of entertainment involving money. But I don't think it should be called socially reprehensive either, even excessively coz who cares about you and your money? Unless you are not stealing someone's money to gamble right?

When a person is excessively involved in gambling/alcohol/drugs, it can cause harm not only to them but also to people around them.
Besides, if we talk about politicians. If a person cannot control himself and his dependencies, then how will he control the state?

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Quote from: FontSeli on May 28, 2020, 01:13:34 PM

Playing in an underground casino should also be frowned upon if the existence of a casino is prohibited by law in the country or in a particular area.

I guess any underground casino violates a law (not expert on laws but I think they really do) The fact that they don't have permit to operate is enough to be an outlaw, it's unfair for those casino houses that pays a monthly taxes for their operation especially now that they are closed for almost 3 months, they are still paying for the facility. And most of the underground casino are run by criminal organization.

The main thing about underground casinos is not that they don't pay taxes. In underground casinos, the main thing is that no one can estimate what chance of winning is set in their slot machines, whether there is a magnet under the roulette wheel, and so on. They can deceive their visitors with impunity.

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