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Quote from: FontSeli on May 28, 2020, 01:13:34 PM

Quote from: yazher on May 27, 2020, 07:50:00 AM

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Because back in the early 2000s even our ex-president had been caught playing casino. what a bad choice they made back then.

The fact of playing in a casino is not something reprehensible. Only excessive gambling is socially reprehensible.

I agree. It is not something that degrades you as a person, gambling is a mere fact of a form of entertainment involving money. But I don't think it should be called socially reprehensive either, even excessively coz who cares about you and your money? Unless you are not stealing someone's money to gamble right?

Quote from: FontSeli on May 28, 2020, 01:13:34 PM

Playing in an underground casino should also be frowned upon if the existence of a casino is prohibited by law in the country or in a particular area.

I guess any underground casino violates a law (not expert on laws but I think they really do) The fact that they don't have permit to operate is enough to be an outlaw, it's unfair for those casino houses that pays a monthly taxes for their operation especially now that they are closed for almost 3 months, they are still paying for the facility. And most of the underground casino are run by criminal organization.

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Quote from: yazher on May 27, 2020, 07:50:00 AM

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Because back in the early 2000s even our ex-president had been caught playing casino. what a bad choice they made back then.

The fact of playing in a casino is not something reprehensible. Only excessive gambling is socially reprehensible. Playing in an underground casino should also be frowned upon if the existence of a casino is prohibited by law in the country or in a particular area.

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Quote from: bitgolden on May 24, 2020, 10:06:35 AM

Yes, I just wonder why gamblers are not understanding about the government regulations like the government is providing guidelines only for the welfare of them and they will not be getting any benefit by locking them down within their home. Some governments already started relaxing the restrictions of lockdown and this could be the most anticipated announcement for gamblers because now they do not need to breach any regulations.

The urge of gambling must be the reason why people go for gambling even with underground casinos. There should be double the risk like they may get infected by covid19 and if they caught by authorities that may lead to legal punishments as well. Still, we do see people are risking just for the reason of gambling addictions. The urge of gambling may induce people to do anything, that is the thing we are learning here.

They probably understand these measures are for their own good at an intellectual level, however their need to gamble has probably reached compulsive levels and they cannot control the urge to gamble anymore after months of lockdown, and in a way we all can understand the desire to go back to our normal lives so try to imagine what those gamblers are feeling, however that is really no excuse for them to gamble in underground casinos and put all of us at risk, because it is really doubtful that if those places are open violating the lockdown that they are going to somehow respect the other measures needed to restrict the advance of the pandemic.

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Quote from: StephenJH on May 27, 2020, 06:44:51 PM

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Quote from: TimeTeller on May 26, 2020, 06:59:11 PM

And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.

I think that the reason is not the responsibility of the player. Here the state should understand that it is better to legalize casinos in certain areas than to have problems with underground casinos. If players have a choice, they will go to legal casinos.

From my experience, the legalization and tax problems force the casino owners to go underground and they continue to operate until something stops their activity. The third world countries are more famous regarding the case and governments advocate the reasons behind degenerating gambling mindset. If there were a mindset and psychological controls for entrance in casinos, I doubt someone will let their relatives go underground casinos if you know what I mean.

Personally, my opinion on this issue is as follows. There should be casinos in the country so that people can blow off steam and gamble. However, casinos don't have to be in every city. They should be massively concentrated in special gaming zones, such as Las Vegas.
Then people will be able to gamble and there will be no demand for underground casinos.

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Quote from: FontSeli on May 27, 2020, 04:48:14 PM

Quote from: TimeTeller on May 26, 2020, 06:59:11 PM

And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.

I think that the reason is not the responsibility of the player. Here the state should understand that it is better to legalize casinos in certain areas than to have problems with underground casinos. If players have a choice, they will go to legal casinos.

From my experience, the legalization and tax problems force the casino owners to go underground and they continue to operate until something stops their activity. The third world countries are more famous regarding the case and governments advocate the reasons behind degenerating gambling mindset. If there were a mindset and psychological controls for entrance in casinos, I doubt someone will let their relatives go underground casinos if you know what I mean.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on May 26, 2020, 06:59:11 PM

And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.

I think that the reason is not the responsibility of the player. Here the state should understand that it is better to legalize casinos in certain areas than to have problems with underground casinos. If players have a choice, they will go to legal casinos.

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Quote from: FontSeli on May 26, 2020, 05:21:50 PM

It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time.

You know what, we are talking about money here my friend. where you can make things work if we just give them to someone who wants it. Things will gonna work that way even though you think the government has some strict rules about it. Of course, there is some exception to it. there are some people who never allow themselves to be paid by those syndicate who runs underground gambling, but only a few of them are there. Because back in the early 2000s even our ex-president had been caught playing casino. what a bad choice they made back then.

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If you want to earn money even it will be a bad or a good thing, you will do anything just to have revenue.

This is what the underground casino owners maybe are thinking. With the pandemic happened, most of the casinos are forced to shut down and because of that their revenues are reduced drastically. Now with the gamblers who really want to gamble, they will do anything just to gamble and this where underground casinos will be created.

In this cruel world, things like this are very common already but they are doing it in silence. There are some casino owners who is close to a highly reputable politician or a rich people so you know what they can do Cheesy

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Quote from: goaldigger on May 26, 2020, 08:15:14 PM

If there's an underground hospital in my country,

Is this the one that you are telling here?the Rain in Fontana Hotel ,Pampanga/in which known as a chinese territory from Estrrada administration?

https://www.rappler.com/nation/261427-fontana-leisure-park-clark-pampanga-lockdown-chinese-coronavirus-hospital

well That is really shameful for their community because they are treating people for money with no assurance and maybe Fake medicines .

Quote from: goaldigger on May 26, 2020, 08:15:14 PM

I also believe that we also have an underground casinos and mainly operate as illegal. There's a lot of online gambling companies in my place, but since we are on a lock down they should not operate but there are cases where Online gambling companies are being caught of operating while on a lockdown, well that's how the money works for them. I'll never play on an underground casinos, that's a lot more risky compare to the traditional casinos and you might ended up in jail.

online Gambling is allowed in lockdown,because they only uses Sites to grab the opportunity of playing,or are you referring those Online betting casino that operated by Pagcor?

maybe you are wrong on that part,because traditional casino is more risky now because there are many players moving in such place and even they have crowd control team yet we cannot prevent people from engaging physically .

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Quote from: Saisher on May 26, 2020, 11:55:22 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on May 26, 2020, 05:21:50 PM

It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time.

Yes, it is if they can bribe the law enforcement and politicians, they can go on set up their underground casinos and continue to make a profit, people will always continue to gamble if they have a way to gamble and they feel they are safe, these underground gambling sites should provide security to their gamers if they want to continue their business even at this pandemic.

I believe that in any business, people can bribe law enforcement and politicians so they can run the business without any trouble. That can make them corrupt because they got the money from each business owner. If gambling is prohibited in some country while people like to gamble, they will search for the underground casinos, and that place will have a high-security before people can play gambling. It will be like what we watch on the movie which there is an underground casino full of rich people who play gambling.

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Quote from: Saisher on May 26, 2020, 11:55:22 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on May 26, 2020, 05:21:50 PM

It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time.

Yes, it is if they can bribe the law enforcement and politicians, they can go on set up their underground casinos and continue to make a profit, people will always continue to gamble if they have a way to gamble and they feel they are safe, these underground gambling sites should provide security to their gamers if they want to continue their business even at this pandemic.

sometimes there is no need to bribe because the operator or owner are government official itself lol.

we knew how big money is circling the gambling industry,Red Tapes are all around the corner so what canw e expect from these people?

their business will continue(though silently operating)still not stopping totally .

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Quote from: FontSeli on May 26, 2020, 05:21:50 PM

It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time.

Yes, it is if they can bribe the law enforcement and politicians, they can go on set up their underground casinos and continue to make a profit, people will always continue to gamble if they have a way to gamble and they feel they are safe, these underground gambling sites should provide security to their gamers if they want to continue their business even at this pandemic.

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Underground casino's have existed prior the the pandemic, maybe it's secretive and obviously illegal and could be run by corrupt cops and politicians. I know a lot of illegal bookies before specially in horse racing and I do bet. I go to that house together with lets say around 5-10 gamblers and make a bet and it's very prevalent that time because they have been protected.

But when we had a change in government last 2016, they have been targeted, but they still exist up to this day but not the same as before. Yes, it is not a casino per se, but I believed there could be one operating somewhere here.

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If there's an underground hospital in my country, I also believe that we also have an underground casinos and mainly operate as illegal. There's a lot of online gambling companies in my place, but since we are on a lock down they should not operate but there are cases where Online gambling companies are being caught of operating while on a lockdown, well that's how the money works for them. I'll never play on an underground casinos, that's a lot more risky compare to the traditional casinos and you might ended up in jail.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on May 26, 2020, 06:59:11 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on May 26, 2020, 05:21:50 PM

Quote from: iv4n on May 25, 2020, 04:01:41 AM

You can't run a criminal organization (anything illegal, in this case underground casino) without governments help! A place without limitations, without questions, you come with money and you just gamble, nobody asks you about where you got your money, nobody will ask you where you wish payout, it's all cash (without trace, without any tax). That's not new, especially for big towns! You can find some underground casino in some private house in some village, but mostly underground casinos are in big towns, where you have big population, and people of any kind!

It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time.

And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.

I am not sure how do you define a responsible gambler, one who is capable of benefiting others, benefiting other persons, other than benefiting you. Are the others you refer family members? I mean if you gamble and you won then you have all the right to share your fortune to your family, so is that what you mean by benefiting others? Or is it different benefiting others in the society like you win and you donated your gambling money to church or charity. Are there really those types of gamblers? Who thinks of others more than they think of themselves?

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Quote from: FontSeli on May 26, 2020, 05:21:50 PM

Quote from: iv4n on May 25, 2020, 04:01:41 AM

You can't run a criminal organization (anything illegal, in this case underground casino) without governments help! A place without limitations, without questions, you come with money and you just gamble, nobody asks you about where you got your money, nobody will ask you where you wish payout, it's all cash (without trace, without any tax). That's not new, especially for big towns! You can find some underground casino in some private house in some village, but mostly underground casinos are in big towns, where you have big population, and people of any kind!

It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time.

And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.

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Quote from: robelneo on May 21, 2020, 10:14:27 AM

Casinos can't keep up with the current situation, they must make a profit even at this pandemic, do you think it's possible that some gambling casinos are already into underground casinos, where they only allow their old and trusted clients to play in a place that they provided, could be a mansion or a secluded building, but of course, they will guaranty all the necessary preactions to make their venue safe for their clients.

That is really insane. Because if you are a reputable casino, definitely you can't think that way unless, if the is this particular place runs illegally. But as a gambler, I don't have to risk my life either knowing how this COVID-19 could lose our lives. There is probably no excuse even it is a mansion or a compound building unless if you just are playing with your family.

Quote from: robelneo on May 21, 2020, 10:14:27 AM

There's also a possibility that some governments will allow it because some casinos are being run by the government or they have a big cut in the revenues.
Do you think it's happening right now or do you know of one in your city?

Well, this is a big problem here when people become desperate and knowing also that they have protection from the authorities. But if you are a responsible citizen in your place, we should have to help not to spread the virus because we really don't know who is the carrier of the said virus and that to get safe from staying at home rather than to take pleasure in gambling.

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Quote from: iv4n on May 25, 2020, 04:01:41 AM

You can't run a criminal organization (anything illegal, in this case underground casino) without governments help! A place without limitations, without questions, you come with money and you just gamble, nobody asks you about where you got your money, nobody will ask you where you wish payout, it's all cash (without trace, without any tax). That's not new, especially for big towns! You can find some underground casino in some private house in some village, but mostly underground casinos are in big towns, where you have big population, and people of any kind!

It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 25, 2020, 05:23:13 PM

I think that highroll gamblers play in villas, but this is more a club "for friends" than an illegal casino. As for clandestine casinos in big cities, of course they work under the control of the local police (corrupt) since information about such a casino sooner or later becomes generally known.

Probably that's how the business works, if you like to keep operated, you need to give some protection money so the police would not touch your business, and I think some casino operators would prefer to operate illegally as they can minimize their expenses compared to paying taxes to the government when they choose to be a legal entity.

This is true in uncivilized/corrupt countries. And it's hard to call a business. Rather, it is a criminal activity - and it is very fragile. Since this is an illegal business, there is no protection from the law, there are no property rights, etc. I would not mess with such things. Even as a simple player - there are no guarantees that they will give me a big win in such an institution.

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Quote from: aioc on May 24, 2020, 09:39:35 AM

You really can't stop gamblers, gambling is like smoking and drinking they have an itch that they cannot get over with and these gambling casinos knows all about it, and there's a possibility that they are secretly holding gambling sessions, they can bride the police so they can go on with their business, they will not stop making a profit from gamblers, it's a give and takes between them.

It is not just gambling. Basically it is human nature to do something people say you cannot do. Look at teenagers we were all there,,, no smoke, we smoke. No sleeping past 8, we sleep past 8. Lockdown shows nature of people too. Who cares about going out before but now you say you have to stay home,,, everybody wants to go out!

Regulations are the only way:)

well depends on the people . i never smoke ever since i was a kid , also i can follow rules in related to lockdown/covid .also what can regulations do to stop addicted people ? afaik regulations tackles different issue but not to stop people from doing what they want . underground casinos despite of the lockdown era must be stop , im talking about the offline or the actual casino that we saw outside because this can also make the spread worse because people will attend to it secretly

Legal physical casinos now had already been closed at the moment that's why some of them are already appealing that they would need to operate because it would really kill out their business if this one would took too long but theres no other choice but to abide with the law or else they would face up legal issues.We cant say that theres no underground places out there since there are really people who do look to gamble in spite of the situation, stopping or locking them? Its impossible because they are operating illegally which means its unlikely for them to be known or detected unless if its leaked out.

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