Unethical Practices: Involvement of Bots and Fake Accounts for contest/race - page 3.

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Quote from: paxmao on August 27, 2023, 07:21:13 PM

I think this is likely a common practice, my only question would be around the legality of the practice itself. As user, one is responsible to bet with care and only for fun, while the fun lasts. These bots could be also humans paid to play against you with the houses money which is also a common concern, but on the end is about you having fun is it not?

Well it definitely wouldn't exactly be ethical. Casinos host promotions to bring in players, and usually offer a boosted prize pool when doing such. If the casino wants to allow their employees to bet their own money and participate in the contest, then it could be seen as ok. If the casino is funding those players to participate in order to cheat regular players out of higher standings and bigger prizes, then it would def be a very unfair promotion and the casino shouldn't be viewed as trusted.

And the main question is, how we would be able to determine if they are really that doing such scheme or such act? There's no way that we could be able to determine whether they are playing fair or not.

We cant really be able to tell if those players or participants are really that true players and not with in part of the casino team which they are funded.This is why if you are really that always that skeptical about
these probabilities then it would really be just that better that stick with those current existing reputable casinos rather than on testing or playing out on sites which are something new or not really that
been proved to be that trustworthy. It is really just that there are people or gamblers who are really that dubious when it comes to this aspect. Well, if ever a casino is been doing this then sooner or later
they might be caught which it would really be resulting for their business to be over once these things been leaked out and seen by the community then say goodbye into your business since
players would be flocking out and be finding out on places on which they do seem that it could be trusted.

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Quote from: paxmao on August 27, 2023, 07:21:13 PM

I think this is likely a common practice, my only question would be around the legality of the practice itself. As user, one is responsible to bet with care and only for fun, while the fun lasts. These bots could be also humans paid to play against you with the houses money which is also a common concern, but on the end is about you having fun is it not?

This is correct. Some user is using the tournament reward as priority for profit and just play on games with minimal house edge to farm wager safely without a significant losses that’s why they relying too much on tournament to recover the small loss from wager farming and bag profit. This user is active on Blackjack.fun tournament before and now he move on different casino to aim for other tournament reward. This is kind of speculation from the OP is the product of being greedy to win tournament reward instead on focusing the actual game itself.

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Quote from: SweetL0u on August 26, 2023, 03:13:15 PM

Note: These allegations remain unverified at this time, pending further investigation.

Don't you realize that you just sound stupid here?

If you have no proof or evidence about the said unethical practices, then shut the hell up and don't waste our time. I didn't know people can be this cocky.

This might just be some immature kid who is not worth paying attention to. That's the problem with the internet, you never know who you are talking to. Making such allegations can be quite harmful to a business and since they are unproven, OP can get into some really hot water for his/her words. Some people only learn when they get served a court date for slandering the reputation of a legitimate business for no reason.

So again, the topic was made by either some immature child or a disgruntled sore loser who felt the need to smear the reputation of the casino because they could not handle gambling. I doubt we will hear from him again, seeing as its a random newbie.

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Quote from: paxmao on August 27, 2023, 07:21:13 PM

I think this is likely a common practice, my only question would be around the legality of the practice itself. As user, one is responsible to bet with care and only for fun, while the fun lasts. These bots could be also humans paid to play against you with the houses money which is also a common concern, but on the end is about you having fun is it not?

Well it definitely wouldn't exactly be ethical. Casinos host promotions to bring in players, and usually offer a boosted prize pool when doing such. If the casino wants to allow their employees to bet their own money and participate in the contest, then it could be seen as ok. If the casino is funding those players to participate in order to cheat regular players out of higher standings and bigger prizes, then it would def be a very unfair promotion and the casino shouldn't be viewed as trusted.

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I think this is likely a common practice, my only question would be around the legality of the practice itself. As user, one is responsible to bet with care and only for fun, while the fun lasts. These bots could be also humans paid to play against you with the houses money which is also a common concern, but on the end is about you having fun is it not?

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The topic's title makes it sound like the accusation has been confirmed with conclusive evidence, which is not true.
Sure, you have the right to have doubts but you can't make accusations like that publicly without having sufficient evidence to back up your claims. Otherwise, some may think you are trying to attack the casino by smearing their reputation through false claims.
You talked about running an investigation, how do you think this can be done? Any suggestions?

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Quote from: SweetL0u on August 26, 2023, 06:36:55 PM

Let's watch together. 8 days left for those prizes, having played there enough to know what's going on there.

This still doesn't prove your unsubstantiated claims of bot and fake accounts involvement in contests 🤷
Looking at your trust feedback, I can see you are up to something fishy in this forum

Quote from: sujonali1819 on June 17, 2023, 09:43:37 PM

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Once a scammer always a scammer I guess.
Does not honor his agreements even after given the chance to work things out.
He refuses to claim the comission he received from me playing, while we agreed to give me a % of it back.

Let me quote what sujonali1819 said about you somewhere.

Quote from: sujonali1819 on June 17, 2023, 09:43:37 PM

Sorry for bumping this thread.

OP yes, the user is not trusted anymore. There are several records where the user tried to scam blackjack.fun team. A few months or years ago The user attempted to cheat RealWinner(blackjack.fun player). Lately, you are also a victim.

After reviewing his profile I can see he is asking for some loans several times here in this forum. I am pretty sure the user will not pay if he gets a big loan. So it's a red signal for all the members, basically for the users who are involved in Lending.

Note: OP you should include his profile bitcointalk profile link in the main post.

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Note: These allegations remain unverified at this time, pending further investigation.

This states it all. How can you @OP convince people to believe what you are stating when the allegations are unverified. You could have at least give one or two strong supporting documents for the allegation. This looks like a witch hunt when all the accusation is like because someone thought so.

If your base @OP is the ranking of leaderboard then I also think that it is not enough. As @yahoo62278 stated, any whale player can turn the ranking upside down in just an hour if they intend to win the amount. We have seen this on races in big casino where whales are competing against each other. Not because these player name are hidden, the casino is cheating their players. I myself had my username hidden on different casinos that I played.

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Quote from: iv4n on August 27, 2023, 02:55:45 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on August 26, 2023, 03:19:44 PM

Without any evidence, no one is going to take this allegation seriously...

It would be quite difficult to collect valid evidence for these claims... unless it is inside information. If someone from the team working at the casino decides to speak about such manipulations and gather some "real evidence" I will probably pay more attention to that. But just "words" from someone who didn't make it in a wager race don't have any value. I busted my bankroll too many times in trying to compete in different races. We play hard and we risk a lot and sometimes we simply lose. It's hard to compete with a limited bankroll and to catch up with high rollers...

I am not taking any sides here, I am just saying if you think there is something suspicious about the place where you gamble move to another place.

I agree with you on the difficulty in getting evidence for case of this nature, this is why this kind of case can either be swept under the carpet by the casino due to lack of evidence from the accusers and also the gambler,, on the other hand, could be manipulative at times trying to ruin the reputation of a particular casino.

So the case is in both ways, but in the end, it is you against the casino and what determined the outcome of that case is evidence to prove be it through insider info which is difficult to find or taking screenshots while you may analyze the events as it happens this also is almost impossible.

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Quote from: Wiwo on August 26, 2023, 03:19:44 PM

Without any evidence no one is going to take this allegation serious...

It would be quite difficult to collect valid evidence for these claims... unless it is inside information. If someone from the team working at the casino decides to speak about such manipulations and gather some "real evidence" I will probably pay more attention to that. But just "words" from someone who didn't make it in a wager race don't have any value. I busted my bankroll too many times in trying to compete in different races. We play hard and we risk a lot and sometimes we simply lose. It's hard to compete with a limited bankroll and to catch up with high rollers...

I am not taking any sides here, I am just saying if you think there is something suspicious about the place where you gamble move to another place.

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Quote from: SweetL0u on August 26, 2023, 06:36:55 PM

Let's watch together. 8 days left for those prizes, having played there enough to know what's going on there.

That's a rather common concern for many casinos especially those paying streamers and filling their balances with fun money because they can easily wager huge amounts and taking the best reward spots of the tournaments, in addition administrators could be able to play with fake balances if they are dishonest but unfortunately there are no way to check if all users are real or not in this kind of contests.

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Quote from: Wiwo on August 26, 2023, 03:19:44 PM

Without any evidence no one is going to take this allegation serious, of course there have been some reports of bit involvement in the game process and the user overall experiences have been manipulated using some special tools like bots that you mentioned but none have been proven with any form of evidence.

So Megaplay will still remain innocent of this allegation until proven guilty and from the look of things, your claims lack that evidence to prove them guilty, but it is a good thing that we are discussing this so that gamblers will be aware of such possibilities.

True. All allegations will be pending and on hold until genuine proofs and evidences come out. On the eyes of many gamblers, it looks like you are ruining the reputation of this casino without providing clear evidences at first. And you can’t blame them for that. However, if these said allegations are true, at least you have created an early awareness not just for regular players in this casino, but as well as those who plan to start gambling in Megaplay.

For now, time is the only ultimate teller. Lets just wait for the real investigations to start so we can also make final judgement on this certain casino if this one is guilty or not.

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It would be interesting to know the details on how you came up with these allegations. I know that there are casinos that are using other accounts for customer engagements, but not in directly altering the outcome of the games that the people are playing. If this is true, then it's a serious matter since they are straight up conning their players off of their money.

It's easy to say that X casino is using bots and alt accounts to lessen the chances of other people winning, but substantial evidence needs to be presented before the said casino is judged by the whole community without facts.

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It's better for OP to lock this thread if he cannot verify and post pieces of evidence of his allegations, if you still digging into your allegation it should be better if you have strong pieces of evidence, what you posted backfires on your intention of trying to ruin the casino or even extort them later, I hope I'm wrong your best action is to lock this thread until you have proven that they have bots and fake accounts, which is hard to prove unless someone inside spill it to you.

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All this allegations and accusations is backed by nothing and just pure conspiracy. The content seems like you are just butthurt participant of the casino tournament and can’t win against other players that you are accusing of bots.

All casinos has silent whales that plays without using the chatbox. I’m not sure what’s your reference for accusing them as using bot players but atleast provide an insight on how you come up with this idea.

Quote from: SweetL0u on August 26, 2023, 03:13:15 PM

Note: These allegations remain unverified at this time, pending further investigation.

This part makes this whole thread no value at all. Keep digging.

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Quote from: Solosanz on August 27, 2023, 02:55:41 AM

It's only your own assumption and the bad thing is, you have no way to know if the casino is involved with bots or fake accounts.

Even you're keep watching the leaderboard everyday, but during near end of the competition there's will a new account came up with huge wager, you can't blame them because the casino can say the account is a high roller.

As long as you're not working behind the casino, you will not know about the truth.

This kind of allegation almost happen in all casinos where there is wagering competition. Even in reputable site like Stake, there were some people who think that Stake use fake accounts or their own accounts to take the top prizes of the wagering competition. Similar as this one, the allegation is baseless without any solid evidence because most cases will always be based on feeling and assumption. Imo, in this kind of thing, what we need to do as players is to trust the casino because like what you said that only person who are behind the casino who know the truth.

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It's only your own assumption and the bad thing is, you have no way to know if the casino is involved with bots or fake accounts.

Even you're keep watching the leaderboard everyday, but during near end of the competition there's will a new account came up with huge wager, you can't blame them because the casino can say the account is a high roller.

As long as you're not working behind the casino, you will not know about the truth.

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I've read your long story in this thread, but it's a little strange when at the end of your post, that "These allegations remain unverified at this time, pending further investigation." , that looks like accusing without evidence like what friends are saying here, after all why would you think like that without any proof and really valid from the gambling site you mean.

I might be ashamed to be you, wrote a lot of long stories in this thread but in the end I'm not giving any proof it's just a guess , think positive because we don't know there are some real users there who spent money and time to achieve that, so there's no need accusing that it's a fake account and some kind of bot. how can people use bots to lose their money to win contests Huh

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Quote from: SweetL0u on August 26, 2023, 03:13:15 PM

Note: These allegations remain unverified at this time, pending further investigation.

Should probably put this above, just so you know, people wouldn't need to read your needlessly long post about an "accusation" that has, well, nothing except your word for it.

In addition, I don't think fake accounts can do anything to players? The most damage it could do would be manipulation of the leaderboards of say highest wins/highest betters etc. since they can change that at will. Personal experience with games like dice, crash, etc. I don't think a game exists where the odds are affected by the number of players that bet, at least I haven't tried one (or I'm just that dumb to not remember about it).

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Quote from: SweetL0u on August 26, 2023, 03:13:15 PM

Note: These allegations remain unverified at this time, pending further investigation.

If you don’t have solid proof then why are you accusing a casino. This is just wasting the forum member’s time. If you have a personal opinion that the site using any advantage for these type of contests, then just avoid the site. If you want to make the normal people aware about it, then provide sufficient proofs. Then only someone will take stand for you. Without any proofs or evidences, it seems like you are only showing your personal hatred towards the site.

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