Topic: Unfair to Jr.Members (Read 1000 times)

Because the primary offenders of shit-posting were unfortunately lower ranks like Jr. Members. The only way to stop the mass abuse of current users would be to demote.

At the end of the day, if you're actually interested in posting quality posts in this forum, the 1 merit rule really shouldn't affect you. It's not hard to get 1 merit point.

Why you guys always come here to post and claiming your loss or that 1 merit?
Why don't you try to find a way or a solution instead of complaining here?
That 1 merit is not a big deal if you focus on the things that you want to reach. Stop searching and complaining about merit.

There's a lot of ways to get that,

Read and analyzed the forum rules and regulations first.
Stop searching for merit,
More on reading not on posting.
And lastly, stop complaining.

If you have read theymos' announcement about the new merit requirement for Jr. Members you would have known already why it has a retroactive effect and why all Jr. Members with 0 merits are affected. You would have known the 1 merit requirement is theymos' only way to stop the wave of garbage posts plaguing the forum, he even added a way on how to compensate the demoted Jr. Members and the rest of the newbies where he added 36 new merit sources. Also another benefit to the new system is we are catching accounts who are abusing the merit system in their way of ranking up their newbie accounts in order to be Jr. Members again.

That's why I decided to create my Snow Eagle site. It's a bit like an adopt-a-newbie concept. Once you find a new worthwhile poster, it's worth checking on them every week or so to see if they are continuing the good work.

I think many high-ranked, older accounts are inactive and that might account for why they haven't earned any merits.  That data doesn't take into account how active members are, and I know there are a lot of members who made it to Hero and Legendary, and they simply don't post much anymore.

And some older members like gameristo haven't earned any merits because they're here just to buy bitcoin.  I would imagine there are examples of similar cases with the regulars in the Collectibles section, although I think they do give each other merits there.

Whatever the numbers say, I see it with my own eyes every time I read posts here that the majority of shitposts are from low-ranked members.  There's been a serious influx of new members who heard it's easy to make money on the forum, and that's only happened in the last couple of years since all of these ICO bounties started.  Some of them made it to higher ranks before the merit system was implemented, but they're usually not Sr. Members or above.  They're not earning merits, just like the rest of the bounty spammers aren't.

I'm trying to find Newbie and Jr. Members to give merits to, but man....it's rare to find posts worthy of merit by the lower-ranked peeps.  I actually get a feeling of accomplishment when I do finally come across a good post made by one of them.  It's almost like an Easter egg hunt, except there are only 10 eggs hidden in an area the size of Australia.  Crazy but true.

I saw some newbie or demoted jr. member that has relatively good post. But, they were in the super mega threads which is possible to be seen by mods and also it is unlikely to get for there are many post out there in a single thread compare to this section which thread has only 1 or single page.

I know merit is hard to get but it doesn't mean that one could not get it. It is just a matter of hard work on doing quality posts. It is also a big help on studying merited posts of those higher ranks and you can start those good poster here in this section.

What is really unfair is all the spam generated by newbies. Is really easy for someone to open new accounts and post some trash like an ICO promotion or nonsense posts. If newbies were demoted then it was because the forum is done will all that spam and the only option was to make a drastic move.

To get 1 merit isn't really hard at all, just bring some quality info and merits will come alone.

Seriously, Theymos should increase the copper membership fee.

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Just forgive OP for being a butthurt translator and merit ruined his living and force to pay for copper membership fee.  

I so often come across the word "unfair", coming from newbies, that I don’t even want to prove anything, explain, and protect the necessary innovations.


If peple don`t want to hear you, then probably better to just agree.


Some people complain for whining, and not to find a solution.

Report the posts.

Post the link to the profile so that others could pitch in.

i just saw a legendary member that has a 90% shitpost in their post history and the posts were incredibly worthless than what newbies post here

RIP OP:

4 out of 4. As been stated always that most of them are not here to contribute but to suck out. I hope someday theymos would realize that and will take necessary action for bountry threads. Maybe atleast a full member or higher can only participate with bounty campaigns. Plus a certain necessary merits are also required, so that it will be more cleaner and I also do not believe that we can rely that one to bounty managers cause some of those are also suckers.

Sometimes to have a better achievement, we must do extreme changes.
I believe the requirement for 1 merit to be a Junior rank is fair for everyone.
Like @cryptovigi said all ranks rise 1 merit right now.


Basically, If we want to try improving our selves, I think it is not difficult to make qualities posts. And 1 Merit is not difficult to get If we do many efforts. 

To remember:
Before the implementation of the new regulation, I am sure Theymos realize a big problem related to spam posts. I think Theymos applied it based on many considerations. And applying the regulation is the best way to solve it. 

You have a point but to against the merit system is not right because merit system is the best way to kill the fake account or multi-account we need to work hard to gain our merit if your account is legit. Because of most of the time so many multi-account right now that's the only way go avoid spammer or fake account.

Given the data gathered in the above initial figures, I also think there we need further research on this part.

The data is really alarming (almost half of the legendary not getting a single merit for 9 months?).

regarding your theories
1. If this will be proven, implementing a rule that will give a certain period of time for the high-ranked members to gain a certain number of merit for them not to be demoted is advisable;
2. If they are inactive for the past 9-month, the system/management can pinpoint them and not apply the rule to them? or maybe we can apply on the rule upon their login again?
3. If they are service providers, then we need another exception on them.  But if they are part of this forum and being part of the discussion, it is impossible for them not to gain a single merit for 9 months.  It just means that they are just shitposting.

You have 1 measly merit and you already signed up for one of the shittiest shitcoin sig campaigns around. Please tell me more about your first world problems vis-a-vis merit.

ya man this is some real bullshit up in here. Yall gonna make me lose my mind.

I shoulda been member rank by now.  Jews dont wanna hand out the merits.

Unfair... not likely... but let's discuss...
I have opened a topic in the Beginner section to help newbies (or demoted jr.s) to earn 1 merit, I've only asked to provide 5 meritable posts from the Bitcoin section, but there were only 2 (!!!!!) applicants in three weeks time...
This clearly means for me that
1. Newbies or demoted Jr.s are not posting in the Bitcoin section but in the Off topic or in the Alt section, or
2. Newbies don't need this kind of help because they can earn the necessary 1 merit for themselves somehow, or
3. They just don't care and they only report their social media participation here, and they don't need that single merit at all, or
4. etc....
So to summarize, merit system works, that's all

You don't have to explain to me the table which I created myself ;-)

Unfortunetly you can't say literally that 47% of Legendary are spammers - in fact even I who created this calculation don't know that.  It's because set of data I used for preparing this table. In group of Legendary who didn't get any merit there are all Legendary whose account haven't beed deleted until also a group of users who make their rank years ago and then left the forum or maybe came here only sometimes to have some reading (I have no idea how many of them did this but for sure there are some - according to @mazdafunsun 250 of them wasn't active this year - for sure until 15 August https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4901670.0;all), there are also a group of people who wrote some posts which didn't deserved merits but you couldn't call them spam as well (no one has 100% merited posts).

So the purpose of my calculations was only to show how many ranked users didn't earn any merit at all but I wouldn't never say that all of them are spammers


Agree!!!


You've right since today it targets only low ranked users but except numbers you have remember the scale - there are 50k-60k ranked users without merit and 1.500.000 - 2.000.000 low ranked users (newbies and jr.) without merit. So I have to agree that this group is much more important from the spam's point of view...

however, I didn't change my previous mind at all and stil claim that "it would be really FUN to see some high ranked users fighting to "EARN" their first merit ever ;-) "