Topic: unforgivable evil I did not commit. (Read 690 times)

@all, thank you for messages and directions. Luckily I have seen where the idea of the evil fee came from as far back as 2011. There is this link shared by gmaxwell a bitcointalk staff member. I had to read the conversation through and I found where one Diablo(who theymos later made a global moderator) suggested to theymos to make people pay BTC for new accounts.  I think theymos later accepted his suggestion which is what is seen as the evil fee today. Check in the image 4 red dots and you will see the suggestion.

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When you read the documentary, it seems that there was a kind of heated troll and spamming targeted to hijack the forum but people fought with theymos that time. Good to read old stuffs like this ; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bct-fact-bitcointalk-was-originally-on-bitcoinorg-but-drama-5203621

The evil fees concept was introduced back in 2015 by @theymos to put extra restrictions on users who were banned on forum and if you have IP address corresponding to that user you get evil points attached to you so more the evil points the more fees you will have to pay.You did not commit anything so you were lucky to get your account without paying anything but if you are interested in reading more about it you can find it here

There are few restrictions like you can't post images but as you get 30 activity points you will rank up to junior member as you already have 15 merits (1 required) so you can do so and other PM related restrictions will also be removed but still read them about details following the forum rules to help you not violating any other rule because it will be considered your fault even if it's unintended.

Oh sweet Christ 😍


I just imagine if I were faced with this evil note! and without wanting to pay the evil fee, that means I would have just lost my username 😂. Maybe I would have then used a VPN to create a new account with the username Dr Bitcoin_strange123, which would not have sounded any better to me or some people here.

On a second thought, it seems it's because of these evil tags that some people add numbers to their usernames because, after creating the first account with their desired username that has been tagged evil, they will end up creating another account and adding numbers to it.

But I have a question though: why can't this evil be totally removed? It could be a barrier to some potential newbies who really have something to discuss, but when they can't reply or post, they may just get bored and leave.

You're absolutely right about the logic of admittance by paying the "evil" fee. That will be a possible verdict in a competent court – If you didn't do it, why did you pay the fine. This evil fee wasn't a thing when I got registered here in 2017. It was much later I learnt new users were getting directed to pay such. It would've discouraged me in my days if it was there. One, for the fact that I haven't had an experience of paying to access any forum, I would've just abandoned my account. Secondly, because I knew next to nothing about Bitcoin before coming here, I would've left too. How would I've known how to buy Bitcoin and then send it to the wallet address provided by default?

The whitelist option was made available after a lot of veteran users criticised the fee. It may not have been there when you first registered. I'm just guessing. However, the whitelist is to encourage users who have genuine intention coming here, and not those whose intention is to farm accounts and then cheat on campaigns with their farmed accounts.

Yeah I think the evil phrase really spookes most new comers especially if you are from a religious country like mine. To be honest I was shocked and surprised too when I was first directed to the forum, at first I tried to open an account by myself after been showed the website link but I had this evil note dropped at my screen and immediately I had to accuse the person who directed me and I told him he wants to defraud me as this was a common trend in my place  and I was surprised towards the fees am supposed to pay and I had lost every intention as I was already having an ill view towards bitcoin but he carefully guided and tried opening with a proxy vpn and for some reasons it worked for me and since I have enjoyed and gained so much here.   So like you said I think  the evil welcome note needs to be changed to something more appealing or some lighter word or sentence.

Makes me think of the "connection" speaking in Adam Sandler's voice, and explaining itself.

Glad to hear you can now freely post and explore here. Just keep in mind those rules and you're good to go. Also don't forget check the other threads recommended on how to earn merits so you'll rank up.

This is why I don't really trust proxies when it comes to registering personal accounts coz usually those who sell share there IPs(specially those you don't know personally) has something on their mind other than sharing the IP. There is also a huge risk that you'd get affected if something will happen to them for example IP ban so best be careful.

When I saw the post eligibility notification, I thought it as a different means of bot verification. The "evil" message has reduced the creation of spam accounts in the forum; spammers wouldn't like to spend money per every account they make. In my view, multiple spammers must have left the forum if they see the requirement to make a post. Other than relaying an email to the admins for manual verification, in the past the fee wasn't that much, the recent amount got affected by the  market surge. Because at some point, when the price of bitcoin was lesser, new members would gladly pay the money; bitcoin at 4k, many visitors would pay the fund compared to today that the price has changed upto 20k and above, when calculated it gets bigger. I also see the money as a means of supporting the forum. The important aspect is that you can now contribute to the forum. Not every member researched for an alternative; to see the whitelist thread. it'll be easier this time, as you've been reading through the contents for better understanding of the forum.

The intention was not to make it difficult for people to access the forum, part of it was to create a forum moderation whereby not anyhow person trolling around the internet could possibly join the forum, it's a little restriction that was aimed to reduce numbers of spammers from specific regions believed to have abused some opportunity like this, if you're truly interested on bitcointalk and you finds out you can't access the registration, your interest and commitment to joining will help you finds a means of joining either by paying the little amount for evil fee or by getting whitelisted if requested, now you could see that they have made provisioned for free registration otherwise, as long as you can contact an email for whitelisting.

It is noted... I also read this about the evil fee on the internet 

It's certainly the first time I've seen someone worried about this specific terminology but perhaps we could rename them? Naughty points? Mischief tokens? Cursed connection? I don't think you should take the word literally but just that someone has previously abused the connection.

By the way, OP, read how to properly quote posts. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tips-to-avoid-pyramid-quotes-for-newbies-3749076

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This is great tips. Thanks for the link.


Are you British or you are of the States?
Your English syntax is so correct .
About the "evil fee", what I understood is that the consequences of the evil committed by one is distributed in units to the neighbouring IPs. All I see is Brotherhood and bearing one another's burden.

    If you are already whitelisted, it just means that you are one of the lucky members here in this forum. All you have to do is follow the rules and policies that will not violate it, and you will be active and the progress of your account will be good and its future will surely be good.

That's why I congratulate you today because of that. Start a lesson and discover the knowledge you can benefit from on this forum platform.

Yunno, the world is evolving massively and alot is going on in our daily lives... Cyber Fraud is actually increasing as the days pass by, and nothing can be done about it just immediately....
The evil fees you see there should even be one of the reasons why you should think this site is genuine; though we've got other sites, with different jurisdictions too, that's how ours looks like.. it's called the PROXY BAN.
You can't get banned unless you violet the rules, or you just want to.
I think that's a major challenge that could've debarred you from reading, talkless of giving your own opinion.

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I don't really think many people left the forum because they had evil points at the time of registration which forces them to pay in bitcoins, and we also don't know the stats so I am just being neutral here, AFAIK, avoid using TOR while registering bitcointalk itself can end up in smooth process with no evil points then they csn use TOR network for accessing bitcointalk if they really concerned about their IP address stored on forum database.

I saw such an evil IP message in the past when I was using a proxy sometimes, many users use a proxy to access the Internet in general and most of them use free VPN programs that give a random IP.

Of course, using a VPN is not against the forum rules.
But it is possible for many users from different countries to take the same IP, and here the problem occurs when one of these violates something and the IP is marked.

To get rid of this problem, it is better to use a paid VPN program so that you get your own IP, or use a different VPN program than the one you are using and get a new IP.

It actually bothers a lot of new members who register on the forum. New registrations make up a bulk of members on the forum and if you check the statistics, there are lots of members who register and never make a post here on the forum, some due to loss of interest and sme due to proxy bans, a lot of which who have never had an account on the forum and did not contribute to the units of evil.

It turns away many new members, and while it is yet to be removed, theymos has implemented a strategy that creates an alternative other than paying the fee.#

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The word Evil isn't that scery to me and you doesn't have to worry either, it doesn't mean you committed a crime that is why you IP got Evil points, its due to the proxies and this is a system created to stop the abuse of auto bot creations if I am not wrong.

Evil is evil or bad or etc and this won't even be considered by theymos to be changed in the future cause it bothers nobody or very few, you will get used to this old forum discussions and also chances of getting addicted to it.

Yes, all IP addresses are stored in the forum logs, but you can limit the storage of your address for 30 days by checking the box in your profile. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;sa=account



https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php

It has also been observed by the forum administrator that 30 days is the optimal number of days to maintain your privacy.


By the way, OP, read how to properly quote posts. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tips-to-avoid-pyramid-quotes-for-newbies-3749076

Zoomic, read rules and don't post multiple in a row. Use quote to quote posts you want to reply to, and reply them all in your single post.

If you continue answer multiple in a row, you will see moderator merge them into one with a red note.

I just spit a mouthful of coffee right onto my monitor reading that.  You old comedian, you.

I get where OP's confusion and frustration comes from; I'd be wigged out if I saw I couldn't access a website because I had some tally of "units of evil" against me.  Before I'd discovered bitcointalk I'd never even heard a phrase like that one, and even if it has a legitimate meaning I think whoever thought of it (Theymos?) might have a bit of a sadistic streak--or at least was just a tiny bit insensitive to how it might come off to newbies.

Eh.  Most newbies here are just in it for whatever they can earn or scam, and that's been true for years.  Guess I'm not going to lose any sleep over evil units, but nor should you, OP.

- hilariousandco, thank you for step by step answer you gave to my post. I like the way you made the answers well formatted along with my questions. You said "evil" fee is to avoid people abusing some proxies. But why is the name "evil" used. It should have been an euphemism or to use a word synonymous to evil. I mean the "evil" on its own looks damaging and scary. Imagine coming to a forum and is immediately faced with an evil.

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- _BlackStar, you said that as I am whitelisted I have been waved some restrictions but there are other restrictions. But since I can be able to make posts and interact with people I think I am OK and I may not be affected by the other unknown restrictions for now. Thank you for welcome.

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- Z-tight, is the admin saving the IP of everyone who visits this bitcoin forum in their server?

You still might not be able to use signature and avatars as long as you are a newbie. You also cannot post image as long as you are still a newbie, the time limit between posts, the time limit between reports post to mod, and PM limit. But good, being whitelisted means you've relieved some of the restrictions but not all of them.

Also you are in luck because one of our global mods answered your question.
OP now start your fun journey, forget the things that were less fun before because I hope there are many valuable lessons that you have learned during your reading even if you don't post.

The power of Christ compels you.


Not unless you break the rules so please read them: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657


The 'evil' fees are there just to stop people abusing certain proxies and you were probably caught up in that.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177

The worse restrictions you will face are the ones you have currently but they will diminish the more activity you get on the forum.

No, you can only be banned if you break forum rules. Forget about the evil IP problem, it was never your fault to begin with, it was because of the IP with which you registered with, some users who share the same IP or are neighbors to it have been banned in the past, so that is why your IP was marked as evil and you have to pay a small fee to post, or get whitelisted.
Just limits on posting and in sending PM's, but they clear out as your activities increase. Read this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/forum-rankspositionsbadges-what-do-those-shiny-coins-under-my-name-mean-178608

This is my first post but this is not my first visit to this bitcoin forum. I was given the address to this bitcoin forum by a friend and I registered after covid-19 in my country because the effect was still keeping us indoors. I was successfully registered after I proved that I wasn't a robot by solving captcha. But I was only allowed to read and not to post.


I was told that I have 186 units of evil that I have to atone. I was asked to pay very small amount of bitcoin but I refused to pay, not because I can't pay but due to the elementry knowledge I got from jury.  If I pay for an evil I did not commit, it means I have agreed that I committed the evil or I am an accomplice. I abandoned the account but could still read things from here especially when the bitcoin is moving upward trends.


During this month bitcoin uptrend movement, I logged into my account and this time I saw an alternative to get into the forum without paying the evil fee. I emailed one of the protocolmail guys and I was whitelisted.

*If I could actually be whitelisted for free, why make me wait for months or why make here difficult for people to access?*

I was sent this message  "You have been manually whitelisted by a moderator. If you couldn't before, you can now post normally. Various limits have also been reduced (but not eliminated)."

It is said that various limits have been reduce but not eliminated. Please is there a chance that I can be blacklisted again and made to face another evil?
Why was the evil not forgive even after abandoning my account months?
My last question is what other limits will I face again in this bitcoin forum?